my computer is UTTERLY dead!!

hi all.

I now own a win98se BRICK! boots up like a brick. not a light, beep,
whir, or click.
*like* booting up a stone.

on easter Sunday, no less!! at 9 am in the morning, no
"ressurection' here!!

no warning either. nothing going bad, nothing giving me any
indication at all.

win98se.
asrock motherboard.
400 watts power.

and yes, i switched power cords, tried another surge protector, tried
the socet direct, the lights in the surge work and the protector works
my other older computer.

I see that the on button goes into the motherboard, a bad sign. My
computer is about six years old, full of morrowinf mods and all of my
games and gamemods.

?????
any advice other than taking it to a shop?

thanks...freestone

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"freestonew" wrote in message
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hi all.

I now own a win98se BRICK! boots up like a brick. not a light, beep,
whir, or click.
*like* booting up a stone.

on easter Sunday, no less!! at 9 am in the morning, no
"ressurection' here!!

no warning either. nothing going bad, nothing giving me any
indication at all.

win98se.
asrock motherboard.
400 watts power.

and yes, i switched power cords, tried another surge protector, tried
the socet direct, the lights in the surge work and the protector works
my other older computer.

I see that the on button goes into the motherboard, a bad sign. My
computer is about six years old, full of morrowinf mods and all of my
games and gamemods.

?????
any advice other than taking it to a shop?

thanks...freestone

"freestonew" wrote:

I see that the on button goes into the motherboard, a bad sign. My
computer is about six years old, full of morrowinf mods and all of my
games and gamemods.

I'm not sure what you mean by "on button goes into the motherboard".
Do you mean that the on button stays in or goes too far in or
something like that? It's possible that the on button doesn't work.
That's a simple switch, it shouldn't be too difficult to replace.

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"freestonew" wrote in message
ps.com...
hi all.

I now own a win98se BRICK! boots up like a brick. not a light, beep,
whir, or click.
*like* booting up a stone.

on easter Sunday, no less!! at 9 am in the morning, no
"ressurection' here!!

no warning either. nothing going bad, nothing giving me any
indication at all.

win98se.
asrock motherboard.
400 watts power.

and yes, i switched power cords, tried another surge protector, tried
the socet direct, the lights in the surge work and the protector works
my other older computer.

I see that the on button goes into the motherboard, a bad sign. My
computer is about six years old, full of morrowinf mods and all of my
games and gamemods.

?????
any advice other than taking it to a shop?

Could be a bad PSU. Could be the motherboard...

*If* you have access to a PSU w/ the proper specs, you could try it. If
not, checking voltages will tell you what you need to do (use a
multimeter for this). See the following for step-by-step instructions:

http://articles.techrepublic.com.com...6-5566528.html
http://www.ochardware.com/articles/psuvolt/psuvolt.html

"Tim Slattery" wrote in message
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"freestonew" wrote:

I see that the on button goes into the motherboard, a bad sign. My
computer is about six years old, full of morrowinf mods and all of my
games and gamemods.

I'm not sure what you mean by "on button goes into the motherboard".
Do you mean that the on button stays in or goes too far in or
something like that? It's possible that the on button doesn't work.
That's a simple switch, it shouldn't be too difficult to replace.

Good catch, Tim. Since I didn't understand that sentence, I had ignored
it, but you may be on to something.

Does not sound good.

But, here are a few less-than-totally-fatal possibilities:

1. Part of power supply is bad, and maybe motherboard and hard drive are
OK, but no power to disks and no power to monitor. Unlikely, but if true,
then a new power supply would fix all.

2. Motherboard is bad, but everything else is OK. If true, new motherboard
would fix.

Possible rescue options:

1. Remove hard drive and install as a slave in another PC, then copy
personal files. You could also copy installation pacakges, if you have any.
That is, some programs come as self-installing *.EXE files. But, do not
wate time attempting to copy files from C:\Program Files...

2. Insert hard drive into USB 2.0 case, available cheap at most PC stores.
Plug into any PC capable of recognizing USB 2.0 without drive hassles (e.g.,
XP or LINUX). Then save files.

3. Replace motherboard and hope that it boots from the hard drive. Be sure
to boot into safe mode and resolve any driver issues, if any, such as
on-board video and audio. Be sure that new motherboard is 98-compatible.
Some of the latest ones will only work with XP or higher, since th
manufactuer chose not to supply drivers for 98.

Finally, maybe it is worth the diagnostic fee to let a professional PC shop
find what is wrong.

"freestonew" wrote in message
ps.com...
hi all.

I now own a win98se BRICK! boots up like a brick. not a light, beep,
whir, or click.
*like* booting up a stone.

on easter Sunday, no less!! at 9 am in the morning, no
"ressurection' here!!

no warning either. nothing going bad, nothing giving me any
indication at all.

win98se.
asrock motherboard.
400 watts power.

and yes, i switched power cords, tried another surge protector, tried
the socet direct, the lights in the surge work and the protector works
my other older computer.

I see that the on button goes into the motherboard, a bad sign. My
computer is about six years old, full of morrowinf mods and all of my
games and gamemods.

?????
any advice other than taking it to a shop?

thanks...freestone

On Apr 11, 4:42 pm, "Bob Harris" wrote:
Does not sound good.

But, here are a few less-than-totally-fatal possibilities:

1. Part of power supply is bad, and maybe motherboard and hard drive are
OK, but no power to disks and no power to monitor. Unlikely, but if true,
then a new power supply would fix all.

2. Motherboard is bad, but everything else is OK. If true, new motherboard
would fix.

Possible rescue options:

1. Remove hard drive and install as a slave in another PC, then copy
personal files. You could also copy installation pacakges, if you have any.
That is, some programs come as self-installing *.EXE files. But, do not
wate time attempting to copy files from C:\Program Files...

2. Insert hard drive into USB 2.0 case, available cheap at most PC stores.
Plug into any PC capable of recognizing USB 2.0 without drive hassles (e.g.,
XP or LINUX). Then save files.

3. Replace motherboard and hope that it boots from the hard drive. Be sure
to boot into safe mode and resolve any driver issues, if any, such as
on-board video and audio. Be sure that new motherboard is 98-compatible.
Some of the latest ones will only work with XP or higher, since th
manufactuer chose not to supply drivers for 98.

Finally, maybe it is worth the diagnostic fee to let a professional PC shop
find what is wrong.

"freestonew" wrote in message

ps.com...



hi all.

I now own a win98se BRICK! boots up like a brick. not a light, beep,
whir, or click.
*like* booting up a stone.

on easter Sunday, no less!! at 9 am in the morning, no
"ressurection' here!!

no warning either. nothing going bad, nothing giving me any
indication at all.

win98se.
asrock motherboard.
400 watts power.

and yes, i switched power cords, tried another surge protector, tried
the socet direct, the lights in the surge work and the protector works
my other older computer.

I see that the on button goes into the motherboard, a bad sign. My
computer is about six years old, full of morrowinf mods and all of my
games and gamemods.

?????
any advice other than taking it to a shop?

thanks...freestone- Hide quoted text -

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well thanks bob.

i went and bought a antect 430 power supply today and installed it,
replacing my powmax. what a surprise to feel the weight of the antec
compared to the powmax, twice or three times as heavy.

alas, did no good.

as i say, my on button power line goes directly to the motherboard
first, then apparently the motherboard kicks the power supply into
action. I even tried shorting the leads to start the power, as even
the button switch could be bad.

as i say, a brick. no lights, no fan, not even a click.

maybe i can get a more powerful motherboard and a new procesor, as i
have morrowind. I cannot afford the new prices for a game computer,
these days, as i would have to install winxp and all of that.

well my asrock k7vt2 did me well for 6 years. and the amd processor
of 2400 did too.

can anyone recommend a good board and a good processor over 2400 that
will work with my hard drive with win98se on it?! might be better to
stick with amd as probably the hard drive "remembers" the amd better
than if i went to pentium.

i can replace a power supply, but a motherboard?!

thanks...freestone

freestonew wrote:
| hi all.
|
| I now own a win98se BRICK! boots up like a brick. not a light, beep,
| whir, or click.
| *like* booting up a stone.
|
| on easter Sunday, no less!! at 9 am in the morning, no
| "ressurection' here!!
|
| no warning either. nothing going bad, nothing giving me any
| indication at all.
|
| win98se.
| asrock motherboard.
| 400 watts power.
|
| and yes, i switched power cords, tried another surge protector, tried
| the socet direct, the lights in the surge work and the protector works
| my other older computer.
|
| I see that the on button goes into the motherboard, a bad sign. My
| computer is about six years old, full of morrowinf mods and all of my
| games and gamemods.
|
| ?????
| any advice other than taking it to a shop?

If you have a computer that won't light up or beep or whir or resurrect
on Easter Sunday & you have ensured power is available to it (as you
did), then either the power supply or the power switch is bad or
disconnected. I doubt it can be anything else! (I'm thinking its "on"
light depends on nothing else.)

| thanks...freestone

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freestonew wrote:
On Apr 11, 4:42 pm, "Bob Harris" wrote:
Does not sound good.

But, here are a few less-than-totally-fatal possibilities:

1. Part of power supply is bad, and maybe motherboard and hard drive are
OK, but no power to disks and no power to monitor. Unlikely, but if true,
then a new power supply would fix all.

2. Motherboard is bad, but everything else is OK. If true, new motherboard
would fix.

Possible rescue options:

1. Remove hard drive and install as a slave in another PC, then copy
personal files. You could also copy installation pacakges, if you have any.
That is, some programs come as self-installing *.EXE files. But, do not
wate time attempting to copy files from C:\Program Files...

2. Insert hard drive into USB 2.0 case, available cheap at most PC stores.
Plug into any PC capable of recognizing USB 2.0 without drive hassles (e.g.,
XP or LINUX). Then save files.

3. Replace motherboard and hope that it boots from the hard drive. Be sure
to boot into safe mode and resolve any driver issues, if any, such as
on-board video and audio. Be sure that new motherboard is 98-compatible.
Some of the latest ones will only work with XP or higher, since th
manufactuer chose not to supply drivers for 98.

Finally, maybe it is worth the diagnostic fee to let a professional PC shop
find what is wrong.

"freestonew" wrote in message

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hi all.
I now own a win98se BRICK! boots up like a brick. not a light, beep,
whir, or click.
*like* booting up a stone.
on easter Sunday, no less!! at 9 am in the morning, no
"ressurection' here!!
no warning either. nothing going bad, nothing giving me any
indication at all.
win98se.
asrock motherboard.
400 watts power.
and yes, i switched power cords, tried another surge protector, tried
the socet direct, the lights in the surge work and the protector works
my other older computer.
I see that the on button goes into the motherboard, a bad sign. My
computer is about six years old, full of morrowinf mods and all of my
games and gamemods.
?????
any advice other than taking it to a shop?
thanks...freestone- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

===============

well thanks bob.

i went and bought a antect 430 power supply today and installed it,
replacing my powmax. what a surprise to feel the weight of the antec
compared to the powmax, twice or three times as heavy.

alas, did no good.

as i say, my on button power line goes directly to the motherboard
first, then apparently the motherboard kicks the power supply into
action. I even tried shorting the leads to start the power, as even
the button switch could be bad.

as i say, a brick. no lights, no fan, not even a click.

maybe i can get a more powerful motherboard and a new procesor, as i
have morrowind. I cannot afford the new prices for a game computer,
these days, as i would have to install winxp and all of that.

well my asrock k7vt2 did me well for 6 years. and the amd processor
of 2400 did too.

can anyone recommend a good board and a good processor over 2400 that
will work with my hard drive with win98se on it?! might be better to
stick with amd as probably the hard drive "remembers" the amd better
than if i went to pentium.

i can replace a power supply, but a motherboard?!

thanks...freestone





Freestone:

Before you spring for a new motherboard try this test.

The power supply most likely has a 20 or 24 pin connector that mates
to the motherboard. ONE of the wires on this connector is GREEN. When
you press the "ON" button on the case the motherboard connects this
wire to ground which turns the power supply ON.

If the motherboard has a developed a problem turning the power supply
on you can bypass it by connecting the GREEN wire to ground. The
ground can be the case or any of the BLACK wires in the same
connector. You can even use a bent paperclip to do this to see if the
thing powers up. If you can power up you then get to decide if you
want to salvage data files and start over or leave the "paper clip" in
place and take your chances. I've see systems run with this kind of
kluge setup for years. The only problem is that you have to switch off
the power supply or pull the plug to shut down.

HTH & GL

John

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"freestonew" wrote in message
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well thanks bob.

i went and bought a antect 430 power supply today and installed it,
replacing my powmax. what a surprise to feel the weight of the antec
compared to the powmax, twice or three times as heavy.

alas, did no good.

as i say, my on button power line goes directly to the motherboard
first, then apparently the motherboard kicks the power supply into
action. I even tried shorting the leads to start the power, as even
the button switch could be bad.

as i say, a brick. no lights, no fan, not even a click.

maybe i can get a more powerful motherboard and a new procesor, as i
have morrowind. I cannot afford the new prices for a game computer,
these days, as i would have to install winxp and all of that.

well my asrock k7vt2 did me well for 6 years. and the amd processor
of 2400 did too.

can anyone recommend a good board and a good processor over 2400 that
will work with my hard drive with win98se on it?! might be better to
stick with amd as probably the hard drive "remembers" the amd better
than if i went to pentium.

i can replace a power supply, but a motherboard?!

thanks...freestone

A couple of thoughts:
Make sure the voltage switch on the back of the Power Supply is in the correct
position ( 115v-230v).
Make sure the wall outlet you are plugged into is the proper voltage and it is
properly grounded.
Remove the Motherboard from the case and set it on an insulated surface and see
if it works then.(this checks it for being grounded out while it is in the
case).
Check if there is any fuse in the MB.
Look on the MB for any leaking or swollen (bulging) capacitors.
Post back if you find the solution,etc.
Buffalo