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Copy of Windows 98 Second Edition
MEB wrote:
I see you have once again consciously determined to further this piracy/criminal activity in this group once again. This would appear to indicate that: ... Copyright and copyright law exist to protect creative works, arguably to protect the financial opportunity afforded by those works and convey that benefit to the authors or the rights-holders. In the case of Microsoft (the rights-holder) and the work (Windows 98), please explain what financial interest the rights holder has to the work, given that the rights-holder hasn't offered the work for commercial sale for several years and by all accounts will never offer it ever again. How is Microsoft harmed, financially or otherwise, today, by those that obtain and use Windows-98 by any means? What exactly is copyright law protecting, or conveying what benefit to Microsoft, with regard to the casual circulation and use of Windows 98? And who is violating copyright law? Those that obtain and use a Windows-98 CD and/or product key, or those that provide those items to others? |
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Copy of Windows 98 Second Edition
~BD~ wrote:
May Jesus protect me from those that believe in Him. He won't - of that you may be certain! Oh don't worry. I'm quite certain of the limitations of a fictional character. You are 'standing into danger' my friend. That's an odd phrase - "standing into danger". |
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Copy of Windows 98 Second Edition
The entity named "thanatoid" is near death and has decided that this
absolves it of any responsibilities. Of course, "thanatoid" is an incredibly ignorant SOB, too. -- Gary S. Terhune MS-MVP Shell/User http://grystmill.com "glee" wrote in message ... Still blatantly promoting software piracy, I see. BTW, you bit-torrent abusers are the reason Comcast will be putting caps on monthly downloads for all their clients, and soon Time-Warner will be restructuring their Internet service into more expensive tiers based on monthly download capacity. "98 Guy" wrote in message ... -- Glen Ventura, MS MVP Windows, A+ http://dts-l.net/ http://dts-l.net/goodpost.htm |
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Copy of Windows 98 Second Edition
Hi ,
When I see a post like this, asking for a copy of a product that is copyrighted, I wonder what goes through the mind of that individual and the one the is trying to help him get a "free" copy. I believe that those individuals have never heard of, or practiced integrity and/or morals. Maybe they do not know right from wrong. Maybe they just don't care who they cheat. One day, they will learn what goes down the devil's back comes up his front. In other words, what goes around comes around. He may get a copy, but he may get an infected copy. Angel "98 Guy" wrote in message ... : Normanny wrote: : : Hi, anyone can provide me a copy of the Windows 98 Second Edition. : : Download and install a bit-torrent client. I've been using u-torrent : recently. : : Then go to one of the bit-torrent directory sites and search for win-98 : torrents. : : Let's try this one: : : http://dl.torrentreactor.net/downloa...dows+98+Second +Edition+Full+Bootable+CD+%2B+CD+Key : : Ok, download complete. : : I downloaded a UIF converter from he : : http://torrents.thepiratebay.org/400...38.TPB.torrent : : It's a very small (32 kb) command-line executable (uif2iso.exe). I sent : it to virustotal to be scanned, and it came back 100% negative. : : I ran it and created a 655 mb iso file. I burned the file to a cd using : ECDC and I'm looking at it now. : : By all appearances it's a win-98se cd. File dates are 4/23/99, 10:22 : pm. : : I'm not sure if it's a retail cd, or an oem cd, or some other version. : If there's a file on the cd (txt, dll, etc) that would identify the : exact MS part or product number, then let me know. : : I performed a DOS-level comp command on the root directory and the : \win98 directory on the CD against an image of a win-98se CD I have on : my system and all files compared exactly (that's roughly 1/3 of the : contents of the CD). : : So Normanny, go and do what I just did. You'll have a win-98se cd in : your hands (and a few dozen product keys) in about 5 or 6 hours. |
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Angel wrote:
When I see a post like this, asking for a copy of a product that is copyrighted, I wonder what goes through the mind of that individual and the one the is trying to help him get a "free" copy. Maybe you should ask yourself why the manufacturer of the product no longer sells the product. Then ask youself what harm is coming to the manufacturer because of the obtainment of the "free" product. I believe that those individuals have never heard of, or practiced integrity and/or morals. What high horse did you fall off of? Why can't you get it through your thick skull that Microsoft suffered no harm, because it no longer sells Windows 98. Maybe they just don't care who they cheat. Please explain how Microsoft was "cheated" in this event. He may get a copy, but he may get an infected copy. After checking 1/3 of the contents, I'm satisfied that it was a clean copy. |
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Copy of Windows 98 Second Edition
The same ol'crap again... gees I made a web containing your last ramblings
attempting to further criminal acts across the world.. READ THE COPYRIGHT LAWS and other applicable for once {I asked before, you can read can't you?}. When you have something of value that backs your claims rather than stupid questions, and ideas based upon thin air, bring it back up. Until then, your just another mindless, ignorant party engaged in criminal activities attempting to bring others into your criminal conspiracy, unduly affecting everyone else on this planet by furthering and participating in such activity.. BTW: you were supposed to read those cases, laws, and the rest, so you COULD have a viable debate... they answer all your questions AND debunk your presentations. Of course that ends all discussion, but I'm sure you will never read OR understand, so what's the point... you will continue to engage in criminal activities until some one catches you, then likely turn State's evidence by turning in your friends and associates while attempting to get a plea bargain... -- MEB a Peoples' counsel -- _________ "98 Guy" wrote in message ... | MEB wrote: | | I see you have once again consciously determined to further this | piracy/criminal activity in this group once again. This would | appear to indicate that: ... | | Copyright and copyright law exist to protect creative works, arguably to | protect the financial opportunity afforded by those works and convey | that benefit to the authors or the rights-holders. | | In the case of Microsoft (the rights-holder) and the work (Windows 98), | please explain what financial interest the rights holder has to the | work, given that the rights-holder hasn't offered the work for | commercial sale for several years and by all accounts will never offer | it ever again. | | How is Microsoft harmed, financially or otherwise, today, by those that | obtain and use Windows-98 by any means? | | What exactly is copyright law protecting, or conveying what benefit to | Microsoft, with regard to the casual circulation and use of Windows 98? | | And who is violating copyright law? Those that obtain and use a | Windows-98 CD and/or product key, or those that provide those items to | others? |
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Copy of Windows 98 Second Edition
MEB wrote:
READ THE COPYRIGHT LAWS and other applicable for once Why can't you get it through your thick skull that I am questioning the basis or logic behind some aspects of the copyright laws. I am not disputing that the laws, as written, does give microsoft the right to take copyright violators to court, and that this probably extends to file, CD, and product-key sharing and the use of their products that results from this sharing, regardless that it's for a product they no longer sell. You (and others) obviously are incapable of having a philosophical discussion about why the benefit of copyright laws should extend to works that are no longer and will never again be produced by the rights-holder. I nonetheless invite you (or anyone else) to answer these previously proposed questions: | What exactly is copyright law protecting, or conveying what benefit | to Microsoft, with regard to the casual circulation and use of | Windows 98? | And who is violating copyright law? Those that obtain and use a | Windows-98 CD and/or product key, or those that provide those items | to others? |
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Copy of Windows 98 Second Edition
I feel MEB has a valid concern that breaking laws in regards to software by
illegally copying it leads to more restrictions. I heard about the case at a GameStop where someone sued Gamestop for selling them a used copy as new and the only reason it wasn't new was someone returned the game because the person did not like it. The lady lost the case but Gamestop changed their policy of a 7 day return policy to a zero day return policy on new game software unless the software is unopened and all the woman had to do was be willing to just exchange the copy she was not satisfied with another game copy. (Note: The stupidity of people is beyond even me sometimes) "98 Guy" wrote: MEB wrote: READ THE COPYRIGHT LAWS and other applicable for once Why can't you get it through your thick skull that I am questioning the basis or logic behind some aspects of the copyright laws. I am not disputing that the laws, as written, does give microsoft the right to take copyright violators to court, and that this probably extends to file, CD, and product-key sharing and the use of their products that results from this sharing, regardless that it's for a product they no longer sell. You (and others) obviously are incapable of having a philosophical discussion about why the benefit of copyright laws should extend to works that are no longer and will never again be produced by the rights-holder. I nonetheless invite you (or anyone else) to answer these previously proposed questions: | What exactly is copyright law protecting, or conveying what benefit | to Microsoft, with regard to the casual circulation and use of | Windows 98? | And who is violating copyright law? Those that obtain and use a | Windows-98 CD and/or product key, or those that provide those items | to others? |
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Copy of Windows 98 Second Edition
98 Guy, please leave Angel alone. Microsoft was is indeed a copy and for
economic reasons Microsoft decided to abandon the 9x source code. To this day, I still firmly think this was a huge mistake because now hackers can concentrate on one line of business source code and it has made consumers activities lots more dangerous because there is not the distinction between consumer and cooperate customer anymore. Hopefully, Microsoft will eventually develop a new source code that is really good and has the best elements of the 9x source code, the NT source code and perhaps using open source unix/linunx technologies to make a really good product but until that day we all do what we can and I cannot promote piracy even if the product has been abandoned and you are just willing to check 1/3 of the product -- what happens if the baddie is buried deep within the other 2/3rds in a hidden directory? "98 Guy" wrote: Angel wrote: When I see a post like this, asking for a copy of a product that is copyrighted, I wonder what goes through the mind of that individual and the one the is trying to help him get a "free" copy. Maybe you should ask yourself why the manufacturer of the product no longer sells the product. Then ask youself what harm is coming to the manufacturer because of the obtainment of the "free" product. I believe that those individuals have never heard of, or practiced integrity and/or morals. What high horse did you fall off of? Why can't you get it through your thick skull that Microsoft suffered no harm, because it no longer sells Windows 98. Maybe they just don't care who they cheat. Please explain how Microsoft was "cheated" in this event. He may get a copy, but he may get an infected copy. After checking 1/3 of the contents, I'm satisfied that it was a clean copy. |
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Copy of Windows 98 Second Edition
This is the same garbage you attempted to extend the last time.. same
suggestions, different addressing points... Rather than ask these baseless questions which raise no new material, why not research the aspect of your issue with Microsoft and 9X to the extent of presenting it to a court as a question for the court to answer??? Perhaps with the abandonware, lack of use, and other you seem to believe separates this issue from all the others of which and in which the courts HAVE answered those questions. This would achieve your supposed goal and answer ALL of your childlike questions. Post your name and address and phone number with the illegal commercial 9X software you "personally" offer free. Get yourself arrested and then you will have your forum to expound from, your day in court... My bet is that you will not do this because you are basically and apparently gutless, moreover, without the knowledge or experience necessary to support your claims. IN FACT, I AM quite sure you know there is no basis for your presentation or your ideas regarding this path which you purport to follow and continue to direct others to engage in. So there it is, your soap box, your way to change the world: PUT UP OR SHUT UP -- MEB a Peoples' counsel -- _________ "98 Guy" wrote in message ... | MEB wrote: | | READ THE COPYRIGHT LAWS and other applicable for once | | Why can't you get it through your thick skull that I am questioning the | basis or logic behind some aspects of the copyright laws. | | I am not disputing that the laws, as written, does give microsoft the | right to take copyright violators to court, and that this probably | extends to file, CD, and product-key sharing and the use of their | products that results from this sharing, regardless that it's for a | product they no longer sell. | | You (and others) obviously are incapable of having a philosophical | discussion about why the benefit of copyright laws should extend to | works that are no longer and will never again be produced by the | rights-holder. | | I nonetheless invite you (or anyone else) to answer these previously | proposed questions: | | | What exactly is copyright law protecting, or conveying what benefit | | to Microsoft, with regard to the casual circulation and use of | | Windows 98? | | | And who is violating copyright law? Those that obtain and use a | | Windows-98 CD and/or product key, or those that provide those items | | to others? |
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