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  #21  
Old June 23rd 04, 07:00 PM
Noel Paton
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These are the options....

MS manufacture
Retail CD's - bit Upgrade and Full
OEM CD's - both Upgrade and Retail - for sale with hardware only

OEM's manufacture whatever the hell they like - within the parameters of
their likens. The bigger they are, the more they can afford to tailor the
package it comes in to reduce support costs ("Just put the CD in the slot
and type Restore at the DOS prompt - problem solved!" = reformat/reinstall
done with no interaction whatsoever - and no warning either!)

When Gateway started in the UK, they shipped systems with full MS OEM CD's -
together with a 'System CD' which contained extra drivers, and a recovery
option (I still have one somewhere). When they ran away from Europe, they
were selling with Recovery/Restore disks, and the customer never saw the OS
disk at all, AFAIK.

Your Win 95 CD sounds like an MS OEM one - most manufacturers' OEM CD's have
the manufacturer's name plastered all over them, and the booklet is not
normally supplied.

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"Rick T" wrote in message
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I was sorta hoping to get unconfused....

So there are M$ OEM CDs (as in produced by MS for system mfrs)

and OEM MS CDs (as in licensed by MS but produced by system mfrs,
themselves) ? Are these what I've been referring to as "Recovery CDs"?
or is that a different thing altogether.


My Win95 "Only for...." came with a M$ printed booklet with a MS
"Certificate of Authenticity" glued to the front. There is nothing on
the CD or on the booklet that refer to any other corporation except
Microsoft.


Rick



  #22  
Old June 23rd 04, 09:09 PM
Rick T
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Default ME Reinstallation (Clean Install) Problems

Noel Paton wrote:

These are the options....

MS manufacture
Retail CD's - bit Upgrade and Full
OEM CD's - both Upgrade and Retail - for sale with hardware only

OEM's manufacture whatever the hell they like - within the parameters of
their likens. The bigger they are, the more they can afford to tailor the
package it comes in to reduce support costs ("Just put the CD in the slot
and type Restore at the DOS prompt - problem solved!" = reformat/reinstall
done with no interaction whatsoever - and no warning either!)

When Gateway started in the UK, they shipped systems with full MS OEM CD's -
together with a 'System CD' which contained extra drivers, and a recovery
option (I still have one somewhere). When they ran away from Europe, they
were selling with Recovery/Restore disks, and the customer never saw the OS
disk at all, AFAIK.

Your Win 95 CD sounds like an MS OEM one - most manufacturers' OEM CD's have
the manufacturer's name plastered all over them, and the booklet is not
normally supplied.


Thanks Noel

Rick
  #23  
Old June 23rd 04, 09:33 PM
Noel Paton
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NP, Rick

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"Rick T" wrote in message
...
Noel Paton wrote:

These are the options....

MS manufacture
Retail CD's - bit Upgrade and Full
OEM CD's - both Upgrade and Retail - for sale with hardware only

OEM's manufacture whatever the hell they like - within the parameters of
their likens. The bigger they are, the more they can afford to tailor

the
package it comes in to reduce support costs ("Just put the CD in the

slot
and type Restore at the DOS prompt - problem solved!" =

reformat/reinstall
done with no interaction whatsoever - and no warning either!)

When Gateway started in the UK, they shipped systems with full MS OEM

CD's -
together with a 'System CD' which contained extra drivers, and a

recovery
option (I still have one somewhere). When they ran away from Europe,

they
were selling with Recovery/Restore disks, and the customer never saw the

OS
disk at all, AFAIK.

Your Win 95 CD sounds like an MS OEM one - most manufacturers' OEM CD's

have
the manufacturer's name plastered all over them, and the booklet is not
normally supplied.


Thanks Noel

Rick



  #24  
Old June 24th 04, 03:21 PM
RN
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Default ME Reinstallation (Clean Install) Problems

Well, I'm not making much progress, and have to admit that I'm stumped. I've
installed ME and XP about six other times, but have never had as much trouble
as with this one. Here are the details.

1) I can use an old DD that has ME installed, and can get the machine to boot.
BIOS load goes asa it should with the CPU speed and memory registering
properly.

2) I've used Western Digital's Lifeguard utility to format and partion the new
drive. I used the most current version of the software. I picked a WinME
option for the OS. The first partition, c:, is bootable by Western's software.

3) I'm using a WinME startup disk created from WnME to boot the floppy. I pick
the "cd rom support" method, and the floppy software loads properly. While
this is happening, I get an error message telling me that the DD does not
include a valid Fat or FAT32 partition (despite point 2 above). D: is
recognized as the CD.

4) When I input d:setup, I get the following error message: "If HPFS or NTFS
is on the DD, you will need to create an MS-Boot partition." Proplem is I
have already done this - by point 2 above. As a matter of fact, I formatted
the DD three different times just in case I did something wrong.

5) One funny thing though -- as opposed to point 1 above, with the new DD, I
don't see a memory count. I know that the drive is good as I've used it as a
slave in point 1 as well as on another XP machine. I use the same ribbon
cable and power cable installed the same way for the working drive and the
non-working drive. As a matter of fact I leave them attached to the
motherboard, and simply move as needed between the drive. Both drives are set
up by jumpers as single drives -- and have been installed in the box that way.

I find it hard to beleive that it's the WD software, as I used the same
software to format a DD for XP, and it worked fine.

Anyone have any ideas?





In article ,
says...

I had a processor die a few weeks ago, so I decided to install a new

processor
and motherboard. Of course this played havoc with the operating system and
made it very unstable. It'us useable, but not stable at all.



  #25  
Old June 24th 04, 05:04 PM
Mike M
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1) Good. This shows that the system is OK and the problem solely related to
the new hard disk.

2) Why use WD's LifeGuard rather than fdisk and format using a Win Me boot
floppy?

3) See 2.

4) If using a Win Me boot floppy the D drive will be a RAMDRIVE. Your CD-ROM
will be E.

5) I don't see what the attached disk drive has to do with the bios memory
count which only normally takes place when the PC is first switched on and
before any attempt has been made to access the hard disk.
--
Mike Maltby MS-MVP



RN wrote:

Well, I'm not making much progress, and have to admit that I'm stumped.
I've installed ME and XP about six other times, but have never had as
much trouble as with this one. Here are the details.

1) I can use an old DD that has ME installed, and can get the machine to
boot. BIOS load goes asa it should with the CPU speed and memory
registering properly.

2) I've used Western Digital's Lifeguard utility to format and partion
the new drive. I used the most current version of the software. I picked
a WinME option for the OS. The first partition, c:, is bootable by
Western's software.

3) I'm using a WinME startup disk created from WnME to boot the floppy. I
pick the "cd rom support" method, and the floppy software loads properly.
While this is happening, I get an error message telling me that the DD
does not include a valid Fat or FAT32 partition (despite point 2 above).
D: is recognized as the CD.

4) When I input d:setup, I get the following error message: "If HPFS or
NTFS is on the DD, you will need to create an MS-Boot partition." Proplem
is I have already done this - by point 2 above. As a matter of fact, I
formatted the DD three different times just in case I did something wrong.

5) One funny thing though -- as opposed to point 1 above, with the new
DD, I don't see a memory count. I know that the drive is good as I've
used it as a slave in point 1 as well as on another XP machine. I use the
same ribbon cable and power cable installed the same way for the working
drive and the non-working drive. As a matter of fact I leave them
attached to the motherboard, and simply move as needed between the drive.
Both drives are set up by jumpers as single drives -- and have been
installed in the box that way.

I find it hard to beleive that it's the WD software, as I used the same
software to format a DD for XP, and it worked fine.

Anyone have any ideas?


  #26  
Old June 24th 04, 05:48 PM
RN
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Mike M Asked:

2) Why use WD's LifeGuard rather than fdisk and format using a Win Me boot
floppy?


Two reasons. First, I've used WD's software repeatedly over the last 4 years
without any difficulty, and second, I really want to partition the drive. I
have to admit I've not used fdisk, but was under the impression it would not
let me set up partitions. I like the c drive to be a max of 12 gigs because
scandisk, when it runs, takes forever for big drives. I've never run out of c
drive room, but if I do, I can always install a program on a different drive.


4) If using a Win Me boot floppy the D drive will be a RAMDRIVE. Your CD-ROM
will be E.


The dos boot does say that it recognizes the cd drive to be the d drive. If
you are right, then maybe that is my problem. I'll try a setup off of the e
drive.

Thanks for your response, Mike.

  #27  
Old June 24th 04, 06:19 PM
Mike M
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Default ME Reinstallation (Clean Install) Problems

RN,

fdisk is the Microsoft tool used to partition a disk with a maximum of four
primary partitions with one being an extended partition that can then contain
multiple drives). For more details see KB255867 - "How to Use the Fdisk Tool
and the Format Tool to Partition or Repartition a Hard Disk"
(http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=255867)

Try typing DIR D: and then DIR E: from the DOS prompt. Which shows the
contents of the CD-ROM?

Best of luck and I hope you get this resolved soon.
--
Mike Maltby MS-MVP



RN wrote:

2) Why use WD's LifeGuard rather than fdisk and format using a Win Me
boot floppy?


Two reasons. First, I've used WD's software repeatedly over the last 4
years without any difficulty, and second, I really want to partition the
drive. I have to admit I've not used fdisk, but was under the impression
it would not let me set up partitions. I like the c drive to be a max of
12 gigs because scandisk, when it runs, takes forever for big drives.
I've never run out of c drive room, but if I do, I can always install a
program on a different drive.


4) If using a Win Me boot floppy the D drive will be a RAMDRIVE. Your
CD-ROM will be E.


The dos boot does say that it recognizes the cd drive to be the d drive.
If you are right, then maybe that is my problem. I'll try a setup off of
the e drive.

Thanks for your response, Mike.


  #28  
Old June 24th 04, 07:25 PM
Noel Paton
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....and don't forget - the CD is E: (or higher)!!

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"Mike M" wrote in message
...
RN,

fdisk is the Microsoft tool used to partition a disk with a maximum of

four
primary partitions with one being an extended partition that can then

contain
multiple drives). For more details see KB255867 - "How to Use the Fdisk

Tool
and the Format Tool to Partition or Repartition a Hard Disk"
(http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=255867)

Try typing DIR D: and then DIR E: from the DOS prompt. Which shows the
contents of the CD-ROM?

Best of luck and I hope you get this resolved soon.
--
Mike Maltby MS-MVP



RN wrote:

2) Why use WD's LifeGuard rather than fdisk and format using a Win Me
boot floppy?


Two reasons. First, I've used WD's software repeatedly over the last 4
years without any difficulty, and second, I really want to partition the
drive. I have to admit I've not used fdisk, but was under the impression
it would not let me set up partitions. I like the c drive to be a max of
12 gigs because scandisk, when it runs, takes forever for big drives.
I've never run out of c drive room, but if I do, I can always install a
program on a different drive.


4) If using a Win Me boot floppy the D drive will be a RAMDRIVE. Your
CD-ROM will be E.


The dos boot does say that it recognizes the cd drive to be the d drive.
If you are right, then maybe that is my problem. I'll try a setup off of
the e drive.

Thanks for your response, Mike.




  #29  
Old June 24th 04, 07:43 PM
Mike M
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Which is what I said in my previous reply and why I suggested in the post to
which you replied that RN should DIR both D: and E:
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Noel Paton wrote:

...and don't forget - the CD is E: (or higher)!!


  #30  
Old June 25th 04, 01:24 AM
BarryG
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snip
I know that the drive is good as I've used it as a
slave in point 1 as well as on another XP machine.

snip

I find it hard to believe that it's the WD software, as I

used the same
software to format a DD for XP, and it worked fine.


Perchance, if you are using the hard disk in a XP machine,
is it formatted as NTFS? If so, then WinME can't see it
when booted from a WinME startup disk. Maybe ramdisk is
then C: drive, and CD-ROM becomes D: drive?
You really need to Fdisk the hard disk with WinME's fdisk,
and format with with WinME's format to really be sure you
get fat32, which WinME can read.

Good luck,
BarryG




In article tKjBc.596

,
says...

I had a processor die a few weeks ago, so I decided to

install a new
processor
and motherboard. Of course this played havoc with the

operating system and
made it very unstable. It'us useable, but not stable at

all.


.

 




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