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  #11  
Old June 21st 04, 09:54 PM
src
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how odd - mine are - 98se and me but not upgrade versions.



"Noel Paton" wrote in message
...
ME and previous CD's are NOT bootable - use a floppy!

--
Noel Paton (MS-MVP 2002-2004, Win9x)

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"RN" wrote in message
. ..
Sorry, but I left a few words off the original. The additions are in

CAPS
to be recognizable.

I had a processor die a few weeks ago, so I decided to install a new

processor
and motherboard. Of course this played havoc with the operating system

and
made it very unstable. It'us useable, but not stable at all.

So, I decided to try a clean install on a new drive. Problem is the

system
does not recorgnize the ME installation CD (it's an upgrade from 95).

For
the
heck of it I tried the old Windows95 installation CD -- SAME THING, IT

IS
NOT RECOGNIZED. THE
DISKS ARE CLEAN. However the system will happily let me try to install

XP. So the issue is not
the CD drive.

So does Microsoft rig it's CD's to not work after a certain date?

Anyone
have
any other suggestions?

Thanks In advance.






  #12  
Old June 21st 04, 09:59 PM
Mike M
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In which case they are OEM CDs and not those from Microsoft. Check the CDs
and you will probably find something like "Only to be sold with a new PC"
printed on them or even an OEM identifier such as HP, Gateway, Compaq or
whatever.
--
Mike Maltby MS-MVP



src wrote:

how odd - mine are - 98se and me but not upgrade versions.


  #13  
Old June 21st 04, 10:01 PM
Noel Paton
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In that case, they're not MS CD's - but OEM ones.

--
Noel Paton (MS-MVP 2002-2004, Win9x)

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"src" wrote in message
...
how odd - mine are - 98se and me but not upgrade versions.



"Noel Paton" wrote in message
...
ME and previous CD's are NOT bootable - use a floppy!

--
Noel Paton (MS-MVP 2002-2004, Win9x)

Nil Carborundum Illegitemi
http://www.btinternet.com/~winnoel/millsrpch.htm

Please read http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm on how to post messages to

NG's
or
http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/f.../Mar27pmvp.asp

"RN" wrote in message
. ..
Sorry, but I left a few words off the original. The additions are in

CAPS
to be recognizable.

I had a processor die a few weeks ago, so I decided to install a new

processor
and motherboard. Of course this played havoc with the operating

system
and
made it very unstable. It'us useable, but not stable at all.

So, I decided to try a clean install on a new drive. Problem is the

system
does not recorgnize the ME installation CD (it's an upgrade from 95).

For
the
heck of it I tried the old Windows95 installation CD -- SAME THING,

IT
IS
NOT RECOGNIZED. THE
DISKS ARE CLEAN. However the system will happily let me try to

install
XP. So the issue is not
the CD drive.

So does Microsoft rig it's CD's to not work after a certain date?

Anyone
have
any other suggestions?

Thanks In advance.








  #14  
Old June 21st 04, 11:17 PM
src
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quite happy if you add that differentiation Mike and Noel. Specific PC
maker versions apart, previous postings didnt differentiate or in some cases
even mention the route ex MS to user and could therefore have been (I am
sure unintentionally) misleading. The point is they do exist as an
alternative to your very valid suggestion of using a boot disk.

Keep up the good work - your joint efforts and assistance are very welcome
even to old computer wrinklies like me.


"Mike M" wrote in message
...
In which case they are OEM CDs and not those from Microsoft. Check the

CDs
and you will probably find something like "Only to be sold with a new PC"
printed on them or even an OEM identifier such as HP, Gateway, Compaq or
whatever.
--
Mike Maltby MS-MVP



src wrote:

how odd - mine are - 98se and me but not upgrade versions.




  #15  
Old June 21st 04, 11:26 PM
Mike M
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src,

It does however seem to be you that is confusing matters here. Both Noel and
myself made it quite clear and always have that Microsoft Win Me CDs are not
bootable, just as Microsoft CDs for Win 95, 98 and 98SE are not bootable. You
are the one who chose to contradict our statements. :-) OEMs appear to
choose many different ways of distributing the OS, either a straight copies of
the Microsoft CDs, customising the CDs and making them bootable, or instead by
distributing customised images of the system as installed allowing the user to
only restore that image and not clean install the OS. It is because of this
that I, and I know Noel also, have always clearly qualified our comments by
referring to "Microsoft CDs"

Cheers from another old wrinkly who started with punch tape and punched cards
vbg.
--
Mike M


src wrote:

quite happy if you add that differentiation Mike and Noel. Specific PC
maker versions apart, previous postings didnt differentiate or in some
cases even mention the route ex MS to user and could therefore have been
(I am sure unintentionally) misleading. The point is they do exist as an
alternative to your very valid suggestion of using a boot disk.

Keep up the good work - your joint efforts and assistance are very welcome
even to old computer wrinklies like me.


  #16  
Old June 22nd 04, 04:45 AM
Rick T
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Noel Paton wrote:

In that case, they're not MS CD's - but OEM ones.


******, now you're screwing up my internal filing system... I always
thought OEM referred to the MS-produced CDs that say "For Sale with a
New Computer System Only" (or somesuch) just like "white box" hardware
components are referred to as OEM. Not saying it doesn't make sense, but
still....


Rick
  #17  
Old June 22nd 04, 06:39 AM
Noel Paton
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There are two types of MS CD - Retail and OEM (and within them both - the
Full and Upgrade versions)
OEM 's have the ability (and rights) to create their own versions of an OEM
disk - which can be anything from a straight copy of the MS CD, to a
compressed file within a recovery disk.

All MS ME CD's have full-CD holograms, AFAIK - the OEM ones having the words
'Only for distribution with a new PC' added to the print on the CD, and
box/case cover.
The OEM CD's can have just about anything on them - but almost always
include a variation of the phrase 'Only for distribution....'



--
Noel Paton (MS-MVP 2002-2004, Win9x)

Nil Carborundum Illegitemi
http://www.btinternet.com/~winnoel/millsrpch.htm

Please read http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm on how to post messages to NG's
or
http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/f.../Mar27pmvp.asp

"Rick T" wrote in message
...
Noel Paton wrote:

In that case, they're not MS CD's - but OEM ones.


******, now you're screwing up my internal filing system... I always
thought OEM referred to the MS-produced CDs that say "For Sale with a
New Computer System Only" (or somesuch) just like "white box" hardware
components are referred to as OEM. Not saying it doesn't make sense, but
still....


Rick



  #18  
Old June 22nd 04, 01:11 PM
src
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hate to admit it Mark, but I beat you - I started on double sided printed
circuit boards programmed by drilling a hole and interconnecting the sides
with a rivet! Any mistakes could be corrected by drilling out the rivet.
(Prefer current practice!)

On main point there clearly is some genuine confusion here somewhere but I
dont propose we lose any sleep over it - I have had bootable 98SE CDs
clearly made by MS (or else they are such brilliant fakes that they fool me
and I spot most fakes a mile off and avoid them like the plague!) On ME I am
working from memory and may well be mistaken. I am ignoring upgrade CDs
which - agreed - I have never seen in bootable form and copies/own
versions/restore cds by OEMs which I agree turn up in many odd variations.

Clearly I must have a very valuable one off which I shall guard with great
care as I find it far easier to use than the other available options. It
arrived some years ago and in all honesty I cannot remember where from. (Old
age and volume of goods through workshop make tying down a source that far
back a lost cause)

The whole thing is very intriguing.

(For any other readers benefit - before you ask - no you cant have a copy -
I only buy legit and I dont do copies! Anyway Mark and Noels advice on
downloading is a very viable - and AFAIK legal - alternative.)

Best wishes
Steve

"Mike M" wrote in message
...
src,

It does however seem to be you that is confusing matters here. Both Noel

and
myself made it quite clear and always have that Microsoft Win Me CDs are

not
bootable, just as Microsoft CDs for Win 95, 98 and 98SE are not bootable.

You
are the one who chose to contradict our statements. :-) OEMs appear to
choose many different ways of distributing the OS, either a straight

copies of
the Microsoft CDs, customising the CDs and making them bootable, or

instead by
distributing customised images of the system as installed allowing the

user to
only restore that image and not clean install the OS. It is because of

this
that I, and I know Noel also, have always clearly qualified our comments

by
referring to "Microsoft CDs"

Cheers from another old wrinkly who started with punch tape and punched

cards
vbg.
--
Mike M


src wrote:

quite happy if you add that differentiation Mike and Noel. Specific PC
maker versions apart, previous postings didnt differentiate or in some
cases even mention the route ex MS to user and could therefore have been
(I am sure unintentionally) misleading. The point is they do exist as an
alternative to your very valid suggestion of using a boot disk.

Keep up the good work - your joint efforts and assistance are very

welcome
even to old computer wrinklies like me.




  #19  
Old June 22nd 04, 01:41 PM
Mike M
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Steve,

Once again Microsoft DID NOT and have NEVER produced bootable Win 9x CDs.
What you have seen is quite clearly an OEM CD. That you cannot accept this is
regrettable and almost certainly due to a lapse of memory. When you find that
CD and get to read what is printed on it you will realise your mistake.

So, not intriguing at all, but rather simply the result of approaching old
age. :-)
--
Mike Maltby MS-MVP



src wrote:

hate to admit it Mark, but I beat you - I started on double sided printed
circuit boards programmed by drilling a hole and interconnecting the
sides with a rivet! Any mistakes could be corrected by drilling out the
rivet. (Prefer current practice!)

On main point there clearly is some genuine confusion here somewhere but I
dont propose we lose any sleep over it - I have had bootable 98SE CDs
clearly made by MS (or else they are such brilliant fakes that they fool
me and I spot most fakes a mile off and avoid them like the plague!) On
ME I am working from memory and may well be mistaken. I am ignoring
upgrade CDs which - agreed - I have never seen in bootable form and
copies/own versions/restore cds by OEMs which I agree turn up in many odd
variations.

Clearly I must have a very valuable one off which I shall guard with great
care as I find it far easier to use than the other available options. It
arrived some years ago and in all honesty I cannot remember where from.
(Old age and volume of goods through workshop make tying down a source
that far back a lost cause)

The whole thing is very intriguing.

(For any other readers benefit - before you ask - no you cant have a copy
- I only buy legit and I dont do copies! Anyway Mark and Noels advice on
downloading is a very viable - and AFAIK legal - alternative.)


  #20  
Old June 23rd 04, 07:46 AM
Rick T
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Noel Paton wrote:

There are two types of MS CD - Retail and OEM (and within them both - the
Full and Upgrade versions)
OEM 's have the ability (and rights) to create their own versions of an OEM
disk - which can be anything from a straight copy of the MS CD, to a
compressed file within a recovery disk.

All MS ME CD's have full-CD holograms, AFAIK - the OEM ones having the words
'Only for distribution with a new PC' added to the print on the CD, and
box/case cover.
The OEM CD's can have just about anything on them - but almost always
include a variation of the phrase 'Only for distribution....'


I was sorta hoping to get unconfused....

So there are M$ OEM CDs (as in produced by MS for system mfrs)

and OEM MS CDs (as in licensed by MS but produced by system mfrs,
themselves) ? Are these what I've been referring to as "Recovery CDs"?
or is that a different thing altogether.


My Win95 "Only for...." came with a M$ printed booklet with a MS
"Certificate of Authenticity" glued to the front. There is nothing on
the CD or on the booklet that refer to any other corporation except
Microsoft.


Rick
 




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