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If they won't give you the boxes why not remove a floppy and then drop the
box on the floor - perhaps even give it one of your famous flying kicks. With luck there'll be so much else to distract them no-one will notice the missing drive. :-) -- Mike Maltby MS-MVP Noel Paton wrote: I'm actually trying to finagle a 5.25" drive out of work - I put three old boxes into the junkpile in the server room, with a note to the boss that I may be able to find 'worthy causes' if they didn't want them..... I'm not holding my breath. |
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Better yet, just put a blank plastic cover in the hole, ... and answer any
inquiries with, "What floppy drive?" I have one in my "museum piece" 486DX using WFWG here, too. Can't remember when I last booted it. Got it in 1991 or 92, I think. -- Jack E. Martinelli 2002-05 MS MVP for Shell/User / DTS Help us help you: http://www.dts-L.org/goodpost.htm http://www.microsoft.com/athome/secu...t/default.aspx Your cooperation is very appreciated. ------ "Mike M" wrote in message ... If they won't give you the boxes why not remove a floppy and then drop the box on the floor - perhaps even give it one of your famous flying kicks. With luck there'll be so much else to distract them no-one will notice the missing drive. :-) -- Mike Maltby MS-MVP Noel Paton wrote: I'm actually trying to finagle a 5.25" drive out of work - I put three old boxes into the junkpile in the server room, with a note to the boss that I may be able to find 'worthy causes' if they didn't want them..... I'm not holding my breath. |
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grrrrr!
-- Noel Paton (MS-MVP 2002-2005, Windows) Nil Carborundum Illegitemi http://www.btinternet.com/~winnoel/millsrpch.htm http://tinyurl.com/6oztj Please read http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm on how to post messages to NG's "Mike M" wrote in message ... If they won't give you the boxes why not remove a floppy and then drop the box on the floor - perhaps even give it one of your famous flying kicks. With luck there'll be so much else to distract them no-one will notice the missing drive. :-) -- Mike Maltby MS-MVP Noel Paton wrote: I'm actually trying to finagle a 5.25" drive out of work - I put three old boxes into the junkpile in the server room, with a note to the boss that I may be able to find 'worthy causes' if they didn't want them..... I'm not holding my breath. |
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I was hoping that this 5.25 floppy wasn't going to make any difference, but
you know all that gobildy goof at the beginning of the start up where it says all about the computer, it says Diskette A none, diskette B none. I did downlaod the winme bootdisk from where you said, but when I put it in, it totally ignored it and carries on as normal. I think I had better take this machine in to the shop, what do you say. Do you think it will be retreavable, with someone a bit more adapt at the controls. As I say its a neighbours, so she wants to know is it worth saving, considering the prices on some of these laptops these days. In other words do you think it would cost more to mend it than, say half the price of a desk top. |
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No there is no 5.25 floppy on this machine only the normal one. I was hoping
that this 5.25 floppy wasn't going to make any difference, but you know all that gobildy goof at the beginning of the start up where it says all about the computer, it says Diskette A none, diskette B none. I did downlaod the winme bootdisk from where you said, but when I put it in, it totally ignored it and carries on as normal. I think I had better take this machine in to the shop, what do you say. Do you think it will be retreavable, with someone a bit more adapt at the controls. As I say its a neighbours, so she wants to know is it worth saving, considering the prices on some of these laptops these days. In other words do you think it would cost more to mend it than, say half the price of a desk top. "Noel Paton" wrote: Hmmm - the mention of the 5.25 floppy is a little worrying (unless you are lucky enough to have such an antique installed!). From what you say, it sounds as if your BIOS may have been reset to the default - which can be either good, or bad, depending on the age of the motherboard and BIOS. If you're unable to create the boot disk from the links that Jack has posted, then let us know the error messages you get, and we'll see what we can do. -- Noel Paton (MS-MVP 2002-2005, Windows) Nil Carborundum Illegitemi http://www.btinternet.com/~winnoel/millsrpch.htm http://tinyurl.com/6oztj Please read http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm on how to post messages to NG's "Brande" wrote in message ... I haven't got a windows start up disk, I only have a Product recovery cd-rom, an international installation disk and a floppy that says atapi device driver v 0.02 for dos/windows 3.1(I don't know if that has anything to do with it). The page you sent me to says to delete windows media and IE6 before loading, which I obviously can't do, then it says to boot using a start up disk, which I haven't got. Can I download one from somewhere on to here and then take it over there. When I start the computer it goes through all the steps in the beginning and then it does a scan of the computer because it hasn't shut down properly, I noticed that when it does this the part at the top only says floppy and c drive and the floppy says 5.25 floppy, i don't know if that makes any difference, I jsut thought I would mention it. There is no problem with loosing data as there was nothing on there, only the basics that it started with. I will read through that article you gave me and see if anything else helps, I only gave it a quick read this morning. "Noel Paton" wrote: From your description, it would seem that your young lad has managed to delete some critical files from the Windows folder (shouldn't be possible, but young minds...). I suspect that your only option is likely to be to reinstall ME over itself - and hope that doing so doesn't remove access to some of your data. See what sense you can make out of the following link - it doesn't strictly apply in your case, but should give you the guidelines you need to get there in the end..... http://www.btinternet.com/~winnoel/reinME.htm post back with questions BEFORE doing anything irreversible to your PC!! -- Noel Paton (MS-MVP 2002-2005, Windows) Nil Carborundum Illegitemi http://www.btinternet.com/~winnoel/millsrpch.htm http://tinyurl.com/6oztj Please read http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm on how to post messages to NG's "Brande" wrote in message ... I have been in to the question you mention, but is this restore tool mentioned, the one that is on the computer for restoring, if it is then this wasn't working before this happened to the computer. There was some problem with the memory and there wasn't enough to run the restore tool. I was trying to sort this out, but the young boy was over zealous and tried to get some memory by deleting a large file. So is there any other way of doing this??? "Jack E Martinelli" wrote: "Fortunately System Restore can often be run from a command prompt when you cannot start Win Me or even boot into Safe Mode.. What is involved is booting to DOS using a floppy and editing C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM.INI such that the line shell=explorer.exe reads instead shell=progman.exe. After removing the floppy see if you can boot the PC so that Program Manager is launched after which you may be able to run System Restore. For full details see MS KB 279736 - "How to Start the System Restore Tool From a Command Prompt" (http://support.microsoft.com?kbid=279736). -- Mike Maltby MS-MVP 3/14/2003 ------ -- Jack E. Martinelli 2002-05 MS MVP for Shell/User / DTS Help us help you: http://www.dts-L.org/goodpost.htm http://www.microsoft.com/athome/secu...t/default.aspx Your cooperation is very appreciated. ------ "Brande" wrote in message ... My neighbours son had a new game for Christmas, went to put it on and the computer said, not enough memory, so in his haste to get this game on he went into winme folder and deleted a file. Now we can't get the computer to load up past the password page. I have tried to load in safe mode, but nothing. I have tried putting the retore disc in but it won't recognise it. Any suggestions -- Happy New Year |
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You're in the UK (you really need to read the posting advice page in my sig
about Munging your address!) A new PC will set your friend back about 」400-」2000. A local techie (if he's any good) should be able to retrieve the system for around 」50 + hardware costs (at worst) - or at least give you some idea what needs doing for 」20 If you go to the likes of PCWorld, they are likely to turn around after five minutes and tell you the system is irretrievable, charge you 」25 for the privilege, and then try to sell you a new system for as much as they can screw out of you. If you and your friend are prepared for a rather long-drawn-out process of elimination (which is what PCW and anyone else will do - except quicker), and a learning process (which PCW can't provide), while we find out exactly what the problems are, and fix them (and only them, hopefully!), then it costs nothing except an investment in time and grey cells. The process in these groups can take time, if for no other reason than I have a 'real' job, and I do this for fun (it's all right - the men in white coats arrive every other week to pick me up for repairg), so I'm not available all the time (and have a large number of other people hopefully hanging on my every word), and have to sleep sometime! The upside is 1) you get to learn a little about your PC 2) you get the system fixed for the least amount of money 3) there are a number of other (and better) experts looking in, who can either add to what I say, or argue against it if they consider that I'm talking rubbish (which does occasionally happen!), Your choice! -- Noel Paton (MS-MVP 2002-2005, Windows) Nil Carborundum Illegitemi http://www.btinternet.com/~winnoel/millsrpch.htm http://tinyurl.com/6oztj Please read http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm on how to post messages to NG's "Brande" wrote in message ... No there is no 5.25 floppy on this machine only the normal one. I was hoping that this 5.25 floppy wasn't going to make any difference, but you know all that gobildy goof at the beginning of the start up where it says all about the computer, it says Diskette A none, diskette B none. I did downlaod the winme bootdisk from where you said, but when I put it in, it totally ignored it and carries on as normal. I think I had better take this machine in to the shop, what do you say. Do you think it will be retreavable, with someone a bit more adapt at the controls. As I say its a neighbours, so she wants to know is it worth saving, considering the prices on some of these laptops these days. In other words do you think it would cost more to mend it than, say half the price of a desk top. "Noel Paton" wrote: Hmmm - the mention of the 5.25 floppy is a little worrying (unless you are lucky enough to have such an antique installed!). From what you say, it sounds as if your BIOS may have been reset to the default - which can be either good, or bad, depending on the age of the motherboard and BIOS. If you're unable to create the boot disk from the links that Jack has posted, then let us know the error messages you get, and we'll see what we can do. -- Noel Paton (MS-MVP 2002-2005, Windows) Nil Carborundum Illegitemi http://www.btinternet.com/~winnoel/millsrpch.htm http://tinyurl.com/6oztj Please read http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm on how to post messages to NG's "Brande" wrote in message ... I haven't got a windows start up disk, I only have a Product recovery cd-rom, an international installation disk and a floppy that says atapi device driver v 0.02 for dos/windows 3.1(I don't know if that has anything to do with it). The page you sent me to says to delete windows media and IE6 before loading, which I obviously can't do, then it says to boot using a start up disk, which I haven't got. Can I download one from somewhere on to here and then take it over there. When I start the computer it goes through all the steps in the beginning and then it does a scan of the computer because it hasn't shut down properly, I noticed that when it does this the part at the top only says floppy and c drive and the floppy says 5.25 floppy, i don't know if that makes any difference, I jsut thought I would mention it. There is no problem with loosing data as there was nothing on there, only the basics that it started with. I will read through that article you gave me and see if anything else helps, I only gave it a quick read this morning. "Noel Paton" wrote: From your description, it would seem that your young lad has managed to delete some critical files from the Windows folder (shouldn't be possible, but young minds...). I suspect that your only option is likely to be to reinstall ME over itself - and hope that doing so doesn't remove access to some of your data. See what sense you can make out of the following link - it doesn't strictly apply in your case, but should give you the guidelines you need to get there in the end..... http://www.btinternet.com/~winnoel/reinME.htm post back with questions BEFORE doing anything irreversible to your PC!! -- Noel Paton (MS-MVP 2002-2005, Windows) Nil Carborundum Illegitemi http://www.btinternet.com/~winnoel/millsrpch.htm http://tinyurl.com/6oztj Please read http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm on how to post messages to NG's "Brande" wrote in message ... I have been in to the question you mention, but is this restore tool mentioned, the one that is on the computer for restoring, if it is then this wasn't working before this happened to the computer. There was some problem with the memory and there wasn't enough to run the restore tool. I was trying to sort this out, but the young boy was over zealous and tried to get some memory by deleting a large file. So is there any other way of doing this??? "Jack E Martinelli" wrote: "Fortunately System Restore can often be run from a command prompt when you cannot start Win Me or even boot into Safe Mode.. What is involved is booting to DOS using a floppy and editing C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM.INI such that the line shell=explorer.exe reads instead shell=progman.exe. After removing the floppy see if you can boot the PC so that Program Manager is launched after which you may be able to run System Restore. For full details see MS KB 279736 - "How to Start the System Restore Tool From a Command Prompt" (http://support.microsoft.com?kbid=279736). -- Mike Maltby MS-MVP 3/14/2003 ------ -- Jack E. Martinelli 2002-05 MS MVP for Shell/User / DTS Help us help you: http://www.dts-L.org/goodpost.htm http://www.microsoft.com/athome/secu...t/default.aspx Your cooperation is very appreciated. ------ "Brande" wrote in message ... My neighbours son had a new game for Christmas, went to put it on and the computer said, not enough memory, so in his haste to get this game on he went into winme folder and deleted a file. Now we can't get the computer to load up past the password page. I have tried to load in safe mode, but nothing. I have tried putting the retore disc in but it won't recognise it. Any suggestions -- Happy New Year |
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I would prefer to do it myself, I was really chickening out, as i thought I
wouldn't be clever enough to do it, but if you think we can do it together, I am willing to take the time to go through the different things. As long as you have the time and inclination to help me, and you think that between us, we can do it. I am willing to give it another go. I realise that there are only 24 hours in every day and you can only do so much, so I will try and be a bit more patient. So when ever you are ready we will begin, and thanks again. "Noel Paton" wrote: You're in the UK (you really need to read the posting advice page in my sig about Munging your address!) A new PC will set your friend back about ツ」400-ツ」2000. A local techie (if he's any good) should be able to retrieve the system for around ツ」50 + hardware costs (at worst) - or at least give you some idea what needs doing for ツ」20 If you go to the likes of PCWorld, they are likely to turn around after five minutes and tell you the system is irretrievable, charge you ツ」25 for the privilege, and then try to sell you a new system for as much as they can screw out of you. If you and your friend are prepared for a rather long-drawn-out process of elimination (which is what PCW and anyone else will do - except quicker), and a learning process (which PCW can't provide), while we find out exactly what the problems are, and fix them (and only them, hopefully!), then it costs nothing except an investment in time and grey cells. The process in these groups can take time, if for no other reason than I have a 'real' job, and I do this for fun (it's all right - the men in white coats arrive every other week to pick me up for repairg), so I'm not available all the time (and have a large number of other people hopefully hanging on my every word), and have to sleep sometime! The upside is 1) you get to learn a little about your PC 2) you get the system fixed for the least amount of money 3) there are a number of other (and better) experts looking in, who can either add to what I say, or argue against it if they consider that I'm talking rubbish (which does occasionally happen!), Your choice! -- Noel Paton (MS-MVP 2002-2005, Windows) Nil Carborundum Illegitemi http://www.btinternet.com/~winnoel/millsrpch.htm http://tinyurl.com/6oztj Please read http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm on how to post messages to NG's "Brande" wrote in message ... No there is no 5.25 floppy on this machine only the normal one. I was hoping that this 5.25 floppy wasn't going to make any difference, but you know all that gobildy goof at the beginning of the start up where it says all about the computer, it says Diskette A none, diskette B none. I did downlaod the winme bootdisk from where you said, but when I put it in, it totally ignored it and carries on as normal. I think I had better take this machine in to the shop, what do you say. Do you think it will be retreavable, with someone a bit more adapt at the controls. As I say its a neighbours, so she wants to know is it worth saving, considering the prices on some of these laptops these days. In other words do you think it would cost more to mend it than, say half the price of a desk top. "Noel Paton" wrote: Hmmm - the mention of the 5.25 floppy is a little worrying (unless you are lucky enough to have such an antique installed!). From what you say, it sounds as if your BIOS may have been reset to the default - which can be either good, or bad, depending on the age of the motherboard and BIOS. If you're unable to create the boot disk from the links that Jack has posted, then let us know the error messages you get, and we'll see what we can do. -- Noel Paton (MS-MVP 2002-2005, Windows) Nil Carborundum Illegitemi http://www.btinternet.com/~winnoel/millsrpch.htm http://tinyurl.com/6oztj Please read http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm on how to post messages to NG's "Brande" wrote in message ... I haven't got a windows start up disk, I only have a Product recovery cd-rom, an international installation disk and a floppy that says atapi device driver v 0.02 for dos/windows 3.1(I don't know if that has anything to do with it). The page you sent me to says to delete windows media and IE6 before loading, which I obviously can't do, then it says to boot using a start up disk, which I haven't got. Can I download one from somewhere on to here and then take it over there. When I start the computer it goes through all the steps in the beginning and then it does a scan of the computer because it hasn't shut down properly, I noticed that when it does this the part at the top only says floppy and c drive and the floppy says 5.25 floppy, i don't know if that makes any difference, I jsut thought I would mention it. There is no problem with loosing data as there was nothing on there, only the basics that it started with. I will read through that article you gave me and see if anything else helps, I only gave it a quick read this morning. "Noel Paton" wrote: From your description, it would seem that your young lad has managed to delete some critical files from the Windows folder (shouldn't be possible, but young minds...). I suspect that your only option is likely to be to reinstall ME over itself - and hope that doing so doesn't remove access to some of your data. See what sense you can make out of the following link - it doesn't strictly apply in your case, but should give you the guidelines you need to get there in the end..... http://www.btinternet.com/~winnoel/reinME.htm post back with questions BEFORE doing anything irreversible to your PC!! -- Noel Paton (MS-MVP 2002-2005, Windows) Nil Carborundum Illegitemi http://www.btinternet.com/~winnoel/millsrpch.htm http://tinyurl.com/6oztj Please read http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm on how to post messages to NG's "Brande" wrote in message ... I have been in to the question you mention, but is this restore tool mentioned, the one that is on the computer for restoring, if it is then this wasn't working before this happened to the computer. There was some problem with the memory and there wasn't enough to run the restore tool. I was trying to sort this out, but the young boy was over zealous and tried to get some memory by deleting a large file. So is there any other way of doing this??? "Jack E Martinelli" wrote: "Fortunately System Restore can often be run from a command prompt when you cannot start Win Me or even boot into Safe Mode.. What is involved is booting to DOS using a floppy and editing C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM.INI such that the line shell=explorer.exe reads instead shell=progman.exe. After removing the floppy see if you can boot the PC so that Program Manager is launched after which you may be able to run System Restore. For full details see MS KB 279736 - "How to Start the System Restore Tool From a Command Prompt" (http://support.microsoft.com?kbid=279736). -- Mike Maltby MS-MVP 3/14/2003 ------ -- Jack E. Martinelli 2002-05 MS MVP for Shell/User / DTS Help us help you: http://www.dts-L.org/goodpost.htm http://www.microsoft.com/athome/secu...t/default.aspx Your cooperation is very appreciated. ------ "Brande" wrote in message ... My neighbours son had a new game for Christmas, went to put it on and the computer said, not enough memory, so in his haste to get this game on he went into winme folder and deleted a file. Now we can't get the computer to load up past the password page. I have tried to load in safe mode, but nothing. I have tried putting the retore disc in but it won't recognise it. Any suggestions -- Happy New Year |
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Brande, while waiting for Noel to return, boot to the BIOS setup program and
confirm that the floppy drive controller is enabled, and that the boot process is configured to boot first from the floppy (before the HD or the CD). Then reboot with your new EBD in the floppy drive to retest your boot disk startup. And I didn't read any rubbish at all in his 1/20/05 response ... -- Jack E. Martinelli 2002-05 MS MVP for Shell/User / DTS Help us help you: http://www.dts-L.org/goodpost.htm http://www.microsoft.com/athome/secu...t/default.aspx Your cooperation is very appreciated. ------ "Brande" wrote in message ... I would prefer to do it myself, I was really chickening out, as i thought I wouldn't be clever enough to do it, but if you think we can do it together, I am willing to take the time to go through the different things. As long as you have the time and inclination to help me, and you think that between us, we can do it. I am willing to give it another go. I realise that there are only 24 hours in every day and you can only do so much, so I will try and be a bit more patient. So when ever you are ready we will begin, and thanks again. "Noel Paton" wrote: You're in the UK (you really need to read the posting advice page in my sig about Munging your address!) A new PC will set your friend back about ツ」400-ツ」2000. A local techie (if he's any good) should be able to retrieve the system for around ツ」50 + hardware costs (at worst) - or at least give you some idea what needs doing for ツ」20 If you go to the likes of PCWorld, they are likely to turn around after five minutes and tell you the system is irretrievable, charge you ツ」25 for the privilege, and then try to sell you a new system for as much as they can screw out of you. If you and your friend are prepared for a rather long-drawn-out process of elimination (which is what PCW and anyone else will do - except quicker), and a learning process (which PCW can't provide), while we find out exactly what the problems are, and fix them (and only them, hopefully!), then it costs nothing except an investment in time and grey cells. The process in these groups can take time, if for no other reason than I have a 'real' job, and I do this for fun (it's all right - the men in white coats arrive every other week to pick me up for repairg), so I'm not available all the time (and have a large number of other people hopefully hanging on my every word), and have to sleep sometime! The upside is 1) you get to learn a little about your PC 2) you get the system fixed for the least amount of money 3) there are a number of other (and better) experts looking in, who can either add to what I say, or argue against it if they consider that I'm talking rubbish (which does occasionally happen!), Your choice! -- Noel Paton (MS-MVP 2002-2005, Windows) Nil Carborundum Illegitemi http://www.btinternet.com/~winnoel/millsrpch.htm http://tinyurl.com/6oztj Please read http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm on how to post messages to NG's "Brande" wrote in message ... No there is no 5.25 floppy on this machine only the normal one. I was hoping that this 5.25 floppy wasn't going to make any difference, but you know all that gobildy goof at the beginning of the start up where it says all about the computer, it says Diskette A none, diskette B none. I did downlaod the winme bootdisk from where you said, but when I put it in, it totally ignored it and carries on as normal. I think I had better take this machine in to the shop, what do you say. Do you think it will be retreavable, with someone a bit more adapt at the controls. As I say its a neighbours, so she wants to know is it worth saving, considering the prices on some of these laptops these days. In other words do you think it would cost more to mend it than, say half the price of a desk top. "Noel Paton" wrote: Hmmm - the mention of the 5.25 floppy is a little worrying (unless you are lucky enough to have such an antique installed!). From what you say, it sounds as if your BIOS may have been reset to the default - which can be either good, or bad, depending on the age of the motherboard and BIOS. If you're unable to create the boot disk from the links that Jack has posted, then let us know the error messages you get, and we'll see what we can do. -- Noel Paton (MS-MVP 2002-2005, Windows) Nil Carborundum Illegitemi http://www.btinternet.com/~winnoel/millsrpch.htm http://tinyurl.com/6oztj Please read http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm on how to post messages to NG's "Brande" wrote in message ... I haven't got a windows start up disk, I only have a Product recovery cd-rom, an international installation disk and a floppy that says atapi device driver v 0.02 for dos/windows 3.1(I don't know if that has anything to do with it). The page you sent me to says to delete windows media and IE6 before loading, which I obviously can't do, then it says to boot using a start up disk, which I haven't got. Can I download one from somewhere on to here and then take it over there. When I start the computer it goes through all the steps in the beginning and then it does a scan of the computer because it hasn't shut down properly, I noticed that when it does this the part at the top only says floppy and c drive and the floppy says 5.25 floppy, i don't know if that makes any difference, I jsut thought I would mention it. There is no problem with loosing data as there was nothing on there, only the basics that it started with. I will read through that article you gave me and see if anything else helps, I only gave it a quick read this morning. "Noel Paton" wrote: From your description, it would seem that your young lad has managed to delete some critical files from the Windows folder (shouldn't be possible, but young minds...). I suspect that your only option is likely to be to reinstall ME over itself - and hope that doing so doesn't remove access to some of your data. See what sense you can make out of the following link - it doesn't strictly apply in your case, but should give you the guidelines you need to get there in the end..... http://www.btinternet.com/~winnoel/reinME.htm post back with questions BEFORE doing anything irreversible to your PC!! -- Noel Paton (MS-MVP 2002-2005, Windows) Nil Carborundum Illegitemi http://www.btinternet.com/~winnoel/millsrpch.htm http://tinyurl.com/6oztj Please read http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm on how to post messages to NG's "Brande" wrote in message ... I have been in to the question you mention, but is this restore tool mentioned, the one that is on the computer for restoring, if it is then this wasn't working before this happened to the computer. There was some problem with the memory and there wasn't enough to run the restore tool. I was trying to sort this out, but the young boy was over zealous and tried to get some memory by deleting a large file. So is there any other way of doing this??? "Jack E Martinelli" wrote: "Fortunately System Restore can often be run from a command prompt when you cannot start Win Me or even boot into Safe Mode.. What is involved is booting to DOS using a floppy and editing C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM.INI such that the line shell=explorer.exe reads instead shell=progman.exe. After removing the floppy see if you can boot the PC so that Program Manager is launched after which you may be able to run System Restore. For full details see MS KB 279736 - "How to Start the System Restore Tool From a Command Prompt" (http://support.microsoft.com?kbid=279736). -- Mike Maltby MS-MVP 3/14/2003 ------ -- Jack E. Martinelli 2002-05 MS MVP for Shell/User / DTS Help us help you: http://www.dts-L.org/goodpost.htm http://www.microsoft.com/athome/secu...t/default.aspx Your cooperation is very appreciated. ------ "Brande" wrote in message ... My neighbours son had a new game for Christmas, went to put it on and the computer said, not enough memory, so in his haste to get this game on he went into winme folder and deleted a file. Now we can't get the computer to load up past the password page. I have tried to load in safe mode, but nothing. I have tried putting the retore disc in but it won't recognise it. Any suggestions -- Happy New Year |
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Yippee, I have the floppy back. I went into the bios like you said, but it
was enabled. The only thing that was disabled w2as the swap floppy drive, so I left that as it was. Second boot was HDD. What should be third boot, cos they have...LS/Zip, should this be the cd, I didn't alter it, in case it was important?? Before coming out i went into the cmos section and the drive A said none, so I altered that to 1.44 3.25 floppy. Now the drive is up and working. I put the downloaded disks in and it wouldn't accept any of them. There were 3 different ones in the download page, so I saved all of them, to make sure I had the right one, but it keeps saying remove disks or other media and press any key to continue. I have restored this computer before, I am sure I didn't have a floppy then, I am sure I just put the restore CD in without a floppy. But then again, I am getting old. "Jack E Martinelli" wrote: Brande, while waiting for Noel to return, boot to the BIOS setup program and confirm that the floppy drive controller is enabled, and that the boot process is configured to boot first from the floppy (before the HD or the CD). Then reboot with your new EBD in the floppy drive to retest your boot disk startup. And I didn't read any rubbish at all in his 1/20/05 response ... -- Jack E. Martinelli 2002-05 MS MVP for Shell/User / DTS Help us help you: http://www.dts-L.org/goodpost.htm http://www.microsoft.com/athome/secu...t/default.aspx Your cooperation is very appreciated. ------ "Brande" wrote in message ... I would prefer to do it myself, I was really chickening out, as i thought I wouldn't be clever enough to do it, but if you think we can do it together, I am willing to take the time to go through the different things. As long as you have the time and inclination to help me, and you think that between us, we can do it. I am willing to give it another go. I realise that there are only 24 hours in every day and you can only do so much, so I will try and be a bit more patient. So when ever you are ready we will begin, and thanks again. "Noel Paton" wrote: You're in the UK (you really need to read the posting advice page in my sig about Munging your address!) A new PC will set your friend back about テつ」400-テつ」2000. A local techie (if he's any good) should be able to retrieve the system for around テつ」50 + hardware costs (at worst) - or at least give you some idea what needs doing for テつ」20 If you go to the likes of PCWorld, they are likely to turn around after five minutes and tell you the system is irretrievable, charge you テつ」25 for the privilege, and then try to sell you a new system for as much as they can screw out of you. If you and your friend are prepared for a rather long-drawn-out process of elimination (which is what PCW and anyone else will do - except quicker), and a learning process (which PCW can't provide), while we find out exactly what the problems are, and fix them (and only them, hopefully!), then it costs nothing except an investment in time and grey cells. The process in these groups can take time, if for no other reason than I have a 'real' job, and I do this for fun (it's all right - the men in white coats arrive every other week to pick me up for repairg), so I'm not available all the time (and have a large number of other people hopefully hanging on my every word), and have to sleep sometime! The upside is 1) you get to learn a little about your PC 2) you get the system fixed for the least amount of money 3) there are a number of other (and better) experts looking in, who can either add to what I say, or argue against it if they consider that I'm talking rubbish (which does occasionally happen!), Your choice! -- Noel Paton (MS-MVP 2002-2005, Windows) Nil Carborundum Illegitemi http://www.btinternet.com/~winnoel/millsrpch.htm http://tinyurl.com/6oztj Please read http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm on how to post messages to NG's "Brande" wrote in message ... No there is no 5.25 floppy on this machine only the normal one. I was hoping that this 5.25 floppy wasn't going to make any difference, but you know all that gobildy goof at the beginning of the start up where it says all about the computer, it says Diskette A none, diskette B none. I did downlaod the winme bootdisk from where you said, but when I put it in, it totally ignored it and carries on as normal. I think I had better take this machine in to the shop, what do you say. Do you think it will be retreavable, with someone a bit more adapt at the controls. As I say its a neighbours, so she wants to know is it worth saving, considering the prices on some of these laptops these days. In other words do you think it would cost more to mend it than, say half the price of a desk top. "Noel Paton" wrote: Hmmm - the mention of the 5.25 floppy is a little worrying (unless you are lucky enough to have such an antique installed!). From what you say, it sounds as if your BIOS may have been reset to the default - which can be either good, or bad, depending on the age of the motherboard and BIOS. If you're unable to create the boot disk from the links that Jack has posted, then let us know the error messages you get, and we'll see what we can do. -- Noel Paton (MS-MVP 2002-2005, Windows) Nil Carborundum Illegitemi http://www.btinternet.com/~winnoel/millsrpch.htm http://tinyurl.com/6oztj Please read http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm on how to post messages to NG's "Brande" wrote in message ... I haven't got a windows start up disk, I only have a Product recovery cd-rom, an international installation disk and a floppy that says atapi device driver v 0.02 for dos/windows 3.1(I don't know if that has anything to do with it). The page you sent me to says to delete windows media and IE6 before loading, which I obviously can't do, then it says to boot using a start up disk, which I haven't got. Can I download one from somewhere on to here and then take it over there. When I start the computer it goes through all the steps in the beginning and then it does a scan of the computer because it hasn't shut down properly, I noticed that when it does this the part at the top only says floppy and c drive and the floppy says 5.25 floppy, i don't know if that makes any difference, I jsut thought I would mention it. There is no problem with loosing data as there was nothing on there, only the basics that it started with. I will read through that article you gave me and see if anything else helps, I only gave it a quick read this morning. "Noel Paton" wrote: From your description, it would seem that your young lad has managed to delete some critical files from the Windows folder (shouldn't be possible, but young minds...). I suspect that your only option is likely to be to reinstall ME over itself - and hope that doing so doesn't remove access to some of your data. See what sense you can make out of the following link - it doesn't strictly apply in your case, but should give you the guidelines you need to get there in the end..... http://www.btinternet.com/~winnoel/reinME.htm post back with questions BEFORE doing anything irreversible to your PC!! -- Noel Paton (MS-MVP 2002-2005, Windows) Nil Carborundum Illegitemi http://www.btinternet.com/~winnoel/millsrpch.htm http://tinyurl.com/6oztj Please read http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm on how to post messages to NG's "Brande" wrote in message ... I have been in to the question you mention, but is this restore tool mentioned, the one that is on the computer for restoring, if it is then this wasn't working before this happened to the computer. There was some problem with the memory and there wasn't enough to run the restore tool. I was trying to sort this out, but the young boy was over zealous and tried to get some memory by deleting a large file. So is there any other way of doing this??? "Jack E Martinelli" wrote: "Fortunately System Restore can often be run from a command prompt when you cannot start Win Me or even boot into Safe Mode.. What is involved is booting to DOS using a floppy and editing C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM.INI such that the line shell=explorer.exe reads instead shell=progman.exe. After removing the floppy see if you can boot the PC so that Program Manager is launched after which you may be able to run System Restore. For full details see MS KB 279736 - "How to Start the System Restore Tool From a Command Prompt" (http://support.microsoft.com?kbid=279736). -- Mike Maltby MS-MVP 3/14/2003 ------ -- Jack E. Martinelli 2002-05 MS MVP for Shell/User / DTS Help us help you: http://www.dts-L.org/goodpost.htm http://www.microsoft.com/athome/secu...t/default.aspx Your cooperation is very appreciated. ------ "Brande" wrote in message ... My neighbours son had a new game for Christmas, went to put it on and the computer said, not enough memory, so in his haste to get this game on he went into winme folder and deleted a file. Now we can't get the computer to load up past the password page. I have tried to load in safe mode, but nothing. I have tried putting the retore disc in but it won't recognise it. Any suggestions -- Happy New Year |
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Normal boot order is FD, CD, HD (or, for the overly paranoid keep it with
HD first then if you need to boot from a floppy or CD change it before you do). The bootdisk programs are supposed to be *run* to make the bootdisks, *not* just copied onto a floppy. If you got the restore CD for it then use that, but CD has to be before HD in booting order or else it will try the HD first. Rick =?Utf-8?B?QnJhbmRl?= wrote in : Yippee, I have the floppy back. I went into the bios like you said, but it was enabled. The only thing that was disabled w2as the swap floppy drive, so I left that as it was. Second boot was HDD. What should be third boot, cos they have...LS/Zip, should this be the cd, I didn't alter it, in case it was important?? Before coming out i went into the cmos section and the drive A said none, so I altered that to 1.44 3.25 floppy. Now the drive is up and working. I put the downloaded disks in and it wouldn't accept any of them. There were 3 different ones in the download page, so I saved all of them, to make sure I had the right one, but it keeps saying remove disks or other media and press any key to continue. I have restored this computer before, I am sure I didn't have a floppy then, I am sure I just put the restore CD in without a floppy. But then again, I am getting old. |
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