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  #1  
Old November 11th 06, 07:28 PM posted to microsoft.public.win98.performance
Joe T
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Posts: 14
Default Hosts file & slow loading?

About 6 months ago my daughter forced me to stop being a dinosaur when she
moved her family to Florida. (I don't even own a cell phone) She gave me her
old Win98SE computer after she "cleaned it" when she got a new one. I am
using Wal-Mart dial up ($9.94/mo. Ok, I'm cheap she says, It's really AOL
shell but with Wal-Mart branding). 520 mb ram she says, 120gb drive,
(70%free space), all the usual ad stoping/spyware programs and AVG Free virus
stuff.
It's slow on loading up pages. Real slooow. I can go to the kitchen and pour
a cup of coffee and return and it's still loading. A young neighbor said it's
probably the Hosts file. He explained and I kind of understand the principle.
I looked at the host file and there is a boat load of sites there.
1. Doesn't this slow down the web browsing if it has to look for these sites
first? 2. What would happen if I deleted these? 3. Can I set it up so it
doesn't have to download pictures? 4. Would that be faster?
Be kind, I'm an emerging Rip Van Winkle coming out of a 30 yr sleep. Lot of
catching up to do.



  #2  
Old November 11th 06, 10:40 PM posted to microsoft.public.win98.performance
Gary S. Terhune
External Usenet User
 
Posts: 1,846
Default Hosts file & slow loading?

1. *Anything* besides AOL. Well, not really "anything" since there are a few
others out there that are almost as bad, but really, AOL sucks BIG time!

2. Any dial-up (DUN) these days is going to crawl, even slower than it used
to. Websites are loaded with a lot more than they used to be when DUN was
king, and DUN providers don't devote the resources to their servers that
they used to. I *strongly* advise that you upgrade to DSL. The cost might be
as low as $16/month. Who's your telephone provider and do you live in a
populated area (not some rural location)?

3. At DUN speeds, the HOSTS file isn't going to be causing any problems.
Yes, it causes a barely noticeable slowdown on fast connections with older
machines, but that's something I consider a fair trade-off considering the
protection it offers. The HOSTS file is a redirect file. It was originally
used to make getting around a local network easier (think big business).
Instead of remembering long IP addresses (like 192.168.14.310) or
\\Servername\Computername\sharedfolder, one could simply type in "mikesdocs"
and an entry in the HOSTS file would translate that to the proper address.
These days, we use it to redirect known malicious sites to an address that
is guaranteed to fail on most machines -- your own computer, aka localhost,
aka127.0.0.1. Unless you have an internet server installed on your machine,
that address produces an error page instead of allowing your browser to
download whatever is coming from that site. Since the bulk of the download
from commercial sites is advertising, and the HOSTS file redirects those to
an error page (which is on your own machine and takes little time to load),
the HOSTS file is saving you a TON of time when you go to commercial sites
(or to AOL using your WalMart account, which is almost certainly loaded with
its own advertising.)

To properly use the HOSTS file in this manner, you need to periodically
update it from some site that manages a HOSTS file, adding malicious or
wasteful addresses as they become known to the manager. We MVPs have one
such site at http://www.mvps.org/winhelp2002/hosts.htm. One MVP, George
Geyde, has developed a program to update the HOSTS file for you. Get it
he http://dundats.mvps.org/Software/Index.htm (at bottom of page.) But
I'm betting that since you already have an active HOSTS file, and you've
found your way here, that your daughter has already installed this program.
Once you've installed the program, or if you already have it installed,
remember to run it every week or two. Once you've graduated to DSL or other
broadband, come back and I'll give you some tricks to automate it. Don't
want to do that until you're no longer on Dial-up.

As for making your system run faster, I suggest you start with the links in
my signature. Then come on back with your new questions and we'll proceed
from there. Your internet browsing speed has nothing to do with the HOSTS
file and everything to do with needing to tune up your system (and getting
broadband, of course.)

--

Gary S. Terhune
MS-MVP Shell/User
http://grystmill.com/articles/cleanboot.htm
http://grystmill.com/articles/security.htm

"Joe T" wrote in message
...
About 6 months ago my daughter forced me to stop being a dinosaur when she
moved her family to Florida. (I don't even own a cell phone) She gave me
her
old Win98SE computer after she "cleaned it" when she got a new one. I am
using Wal-Mart dial up ($9.94/mo. Ok, I'm cheap she says, It's really AOL
shell but with Wal-Mart branding). 520 mb ram she says, 120gb drive,
(70%free space), all the usual ad stoping/spyware programs and AVG Free
virus
stuff.
It's slow on loading up pages. Real slooow. I can go to the kitchen and
pour
a cup of coffee and return and it's still loading. A young neighbor said
it's
probably the Hosts file. He explained and I kind of understand the
principle.
I looked at the host file and there is a boat load of sites there.
1. Doesn't this slow down the web browsing if it has to look for these
sites
first? 2. What would happen if I deleted these? 3. Can I set it up so it
doesn't have to download pictures? 4. Would that be faster?
Be kind, I'm an emerging Rip Van Winkle coming out of a 30 yr sleep. Lot
of
catching up to do.





  #3  
Old November 11th 06, 10:40 PM posted to microsoft.public.win98.performance
Gary S. Terhune
External Usenet User
 
Posts: 1,846
Default Hosts file & slow loading?

1. *Anything* besides AOL. Well, not really "anything" since there are a few
others out there that are almost as bad, but really, AOL sucks BIG time!

2. Any dial-up (DUN) these days is going to crawl, even slower than it used
to. Websites are loaded with a lot more than they used to be when DUN was
king, and DUN providers don't devote the resources to their servers that
they used to. I *strongly* advise that you upgrade to DSL. The cost might be
as low as $16/month. Who's your telephone provider and do you live in a
populated area (not some rural location)?

3. At DUN speeds, the HOSTS file isn't going to be causing any problems.
Yes, it causes a barely noticeable slowdown on fast connections with older
machines, but that's something I consider a fair trade-off considering the
protection it offers. The HOSTS file is a redirect file. It was originally
used to make getting around a local network easier (think big business).
Instead of remembering long IP addresses (like 192.168.14.310) or
\\Servername\Computername\sharedfolder, one could simply type in "mikesdocs"
and an entry in the HOSTS file would translate that to the proper address.
These days, we use it to redirect known malicious sites to an address that
is guaranteed to fail on most machines -- your own computer, aka localhost,
aka127.0.0.1. Unless you have an internet server installed on your machine,
that address produces an error page instead of allowing your browser to
download whatever is coming from that site. Since the bulk of the download
from commercial sites is advertising, and the HOSTS file redirects those to
an error page (which is on your own machine and takes little time to load),
the HOSTS file is saving you a TON of time when you go to commercial sites
(or to AOL using your WalMart account, which is almost certainly loaded with
its own advertising.)

To properly use the HOSTS file in this manner, you need to periodically
update it from some site that manages a HOSTS file, adding malicious or
wasteful addresses as they become known to the manager. We MVPs have one
such site at http://www.mvps.org/winhelp2002/hosts.htm. One MVP, George
Geyde, has developed a program to update the HOSTS file for you. Get it
he http://dundats.mvps.org/Software/Index.htm (at bottom of page.) But
I'm betting that since you already have an active HOSTS file, and you've
found your way here, that your daughter has already installed this program.
Once you've installed the program, or if you already have it installed,
remember to run it every week or two. Once you've graduated to DSL or other
broadband, come back and I'll give you some tricks to automate it. Don't
want to do that until you're no longer on Dial-up.

As for making your system run faster, I suggest you start with the links in
my signature. Then come on back with your new questions and we'll proceed
from there. Your internet browsing speed has nothing to do with the HOSTS
file and everything to do with needing to tune up your system (and getting
broadband, of course.)

--

Gary S. Terhune
MS-MVP Shell/User
http://grystmill.com/articles/cleanboot.htm
http://grystmill.com/articles/security.htm

"Joe T" wrote in message
...
About 6 months ago my daughter forced me to stop being a dinosaur when she
moved her family to Florida. (I don't even own a cell phone) She gave me
her
old Win98SE computer after she "cleaned it" when she got a new one. I am
using Wal-Mart dial up ($9.94/mo. Ok, I'm cheap she says, It's really AOL
shell but with Wal-Mart branding). 520 mb ram she says, 120gb drive,
(70%free space), all the usual ad stoping/spyware programs and AVG Free
virus
stuff.
It's slow on loading up pages. Real slooow. I can go to the kitchen and
pour
a cup of coffee and return and it's still loading. A young neighbor said
it's
probably the Hosts file. He explained and I kind of understand the
principle.
I looked at the host file and there is a boat load of sites there.
1. Doesn't this slow down the web browsing if it has to look for these
sites
first? 2. What would happen if I deleted these? 3. Can I set it up so it
doesn't have to download pictures? 4. Would that be faster?
Be kind, I'm an emerging Rip Van Winkle coming out of a 30 yr sleep. Lot
of
catching up to do.





  #4  
Old November 29th 06, 11:21 PM posted to microsoft.public.win98.performance
J. P. Gilliver
External Usenet User
 
Posts: 214
Default Hosts file & slow loading?

"Joe T" wrote in message
...
About 6 months ago my daughter forced me to stop being a dinosaur when she
moved her family to Florida. (I don't even own a cell phone) She gave me
her
old Win98SE computer after she "cleaned it" when she got a new one. I am
using Wal-Mart dial up ($9.94/mo. Ok, I'm cheap she says, It's really AOL
shell but with Wal-Mart branding). 520 mb ram she says, 120gb drive,


(Probably 512 rather than 520.) Sounds - assuming the rest is similar spec.
to the RAM and HD size - as if it's likely to be a fairly good system.
[]
It's slow on loading up pages. Real slooow. I can go to the kitchen and
pour
a cup of coffee and return and it's still loading. A young neighbor said
it's


Hmm, that _is_ slow, even allowing for the propensity these days if site
designers to assume everybody has broadband. Does that apply even for
text-only pages (or with image downlad turned off, see below)?

probably the Hosts file. He explained and I kind of understand the
principle.
I looked at the host file and there is a boat load of sites there.
1. Doesn't this slow down the web browsing if it has to look for these
sites


As gary said, the Hosts file - assuming it is reasonably OK - is probably
_saving_ you _some_ time.

first? 2. What would happen if I deleted these? 3. Can I set it up so it


If you want to try, just rename the hosts file to some other name; if it
makes no difference, rename it back (deleting any hosts file the system has
created on its own in the meantime).

doesn't have to download pictures? 4. Would that be faster?


Yes, and lots. A picture is generally worth a lot more than a thousand words
these days (-:! A lot of web sites will be unusable, though, because they
tend to have buttons with images of words on, so you can't see what the
buttons are; however, some sites will still work, especially if they've
implemented ALT text to help the visually handicapped and those on slow
links. (People who do this generally make better sites anyway, IMO ...)

As for _how_ you turn image download off, it depends on your browser. I
don't know if AOL/Walmart uses something different; if it's basically some
variant of Internet Explorer, although it varies slightly with some
versions, it's probably (it is for this version 6 anyway) under Tools,
Internet options, Advanced, and you want to untick "Show Pictures" (and
probably tick "Show Image Download Placeholders" if not already ticked, as
that will keep the structure on better-designed pages).

(If AOL is completely different, someone please say - I know not of it.)

Be kind, I'm an emerging Rip Van Winkle coming out of a 30 yr sleep. Lot
of
catching up to do.

Delighted to hear it.




  #5  
Old November 29th 06, 11:21 PM posted to microsoft.public.win98.performance
J. P. Gilliver
External Usenet User
 
Posts: 214
Default Hosts file & slow loading?

"Joe T" wrote in message
...
About 6 months ago my daughter forced me to stop being a dinosaur when she
moved her family to Florida. (I don't even own a cell phone) She gave me
her
old Win98SE computer after she "cleaned it" when she got a new one. I am
using Wal-Mart dial up ($9.94/mo. Ok, I'm cheap she says, It's really AOL
shell but with Wal-Mart branding). 520 mb ram she says, 120gb drive,


(Probably 512 rather than 520.) Sounds - assuming the rest is similar spec.
to the RAM and HD size - as if it's likely to be a fairly good system.
[]
It's slow on loading up pages. Real slooow. I can go to the kitchen and
pour
a cup of coffee and return and it's still loading. A young neighbor said
it's


Hmm, that _is_ slow, even allowing for the propensity these days if site
designers to assume everybody has broadband. Does that apply even for
text-only pages (or with image downlad turned off, see below)?

probably the Hosts file. He explained and I kind of understand the
principle.
I looked at the host file and there is a boat load of sites there.
1. Doesn't this slow down the web browsing if it has to look for these
sites


As gary said, the Hosts file - assuming it is reasonably OK - is probably
_saving_ you _some_ time.

first? 2. What would happen if I deleted these? 3. Can I set it up so it


If you want to try, just rename the hosts file to some other name; if it
makes no difference, rename it back (deleting any hosts file the system has
created on its own in the meantime).

doesn't have to download pictures? 4. Would that be faster?


Yes, and lots. A picture is generally worth a lot more than a thousand words
these days (-:! A lot of web sites will be unusable, though, because they
tend to have buttons with images of words on, so you can't see what the
buttons are; however, some sites will still work, especially if they've
implemented ALT text to help the visually handicapped and those on slow
links. (People who do this generally make better sites anyway, IMO ...)

As for _how_ you turn image download off, it depends on your browser. I
don't know if AOL/Walmart uses something different; if it's basically some
variant of Internet Explorer, although it varies slightly with some
versions, it's probably (it is for this version 6 anyway) under Tools,
Internet options, Advanced, and you want to untick "Show Pictures" (and
probably tick "Show Image Download Placeholders" if not already ticked, as
that will keep the structure on better-designed pages).

(If AOL is completely different, someone please say - I know not of it.)

Be kind, I'm an emerging Rip Van Winkle coming out of a 30 yr sleep. Lot
of
catching up to do.

Delighted to hear it.




  #6  
Old November 30th 06, 09:42 PM posted to microsoft.public.win98.performance
Joe T
External Usenet User
 
Posts: 14
Default Hosts file & slow loading?

1.Text only pages loads up fine.
2. Wal-Mart changed to now its called Netscape Connect but its not Netscape
browser.
3. If I rename the hosts file temporarally for testing, am I now "naked" to
the net? What happens then? Is the hosts file part of anti virus and spyware
defeating section? Does windows automatically rebuild the file with thousand
of entries in it?

Thanks all, I guess I'll just have to come into the 21st century and get
DSL/Broadband/Cable or whatever. Should I change to WinXP Pro from 98second
edition? Now to figure out which one is best and cheapest. Does that go
together? Can you have one AND the other? I'm still a tight wad.
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
"J. P. Gilliver" wrote:

"Joe T" wrote in message
...
About 6 months ago my daughter forced me to stop being a dinosaur when she
moved her family to Florida. (I don't even own a cell phone) She gave me
her
old Win98SE computer after she "cleaned it" when she got a new one. I am
using Wal-Mart dial up ($9.94/mo. Ok, I'm cheap she says, It's really AOL
shell but with Wal-Mart branding). 520 mb ram she says, 120gb drive,


(Probably 512 rather than 520.) Sounds - assuming the rest is similar spec.
to the RAM and HD size - as if it's likely to be a fairly good system.
[]
It's slow on loading up pages. Real slooow. I can go to the kitchen and
pour
a cup of coffee and return and it's still loading. A young neighbor said
it's


Hmm, that _is_ slow, even allowing for the propensity these days if site
designers to assume everybody has broadband. Does that apply even for
text-only pages (or with image downlad turned off, see below)?

probably the Hosts file. He explained and I kind of understand the
principle.
I looked at the host file and there is a boat load of sites there.
1. Doesn't this slow down the web browsing if it has to look for these
sites


As gary said, the Hosts file - assuming it is reasonably OK - is probably
_saving_ you _some_ time.

first? 2. What would happen if I deleted these? 3. Can I set it up so it


If you want to try, just rename the hosts file to some other name; if it
makes no difference, rename it back (deleting any hosts file the system has
created on its own in the meantime).

doesn't have to download pictures? 4. Would that be faster?


Yes, and lots. A picture is generally worth a lot more than a thousand words
these days (-:! A lot of web sites will be unusable, though, because they
tend to have buttons with images of words on, so you can't see what the
buttons are; however, some sites will still work, especially if they've
implemented ALT text to help the visually handicapped and those on slow
links. (People who do this generally make better sites anyway, IMO ...)

As for _how_ you turn image download off, it depends on your browser. I
don't know if AOL/Walmart uses something different; if it's basically some
variant of Internet Explorer, although it varies slightly with some
versions, it's probably (it is for this version 6 anyway) under Tools,
Internet options, Advanced, and you want to untick "Show Pictures" (and
probably tick "Show Image Download Placeholders" if not already ticked, as
that will keep the structure on better-designed pages).

(If AOL is completely different, someone please say - I know not of it.)

Be kind, I'm an emerging Rip Van Winkle coming out of a 30 yr sleep. Lot
of
catching up to do.

Delighted to hear it.





  #7  
Old December 1st 06, 03:47 AM posted to microsoft.public.win98.performance
Gary S. Terhune
External Usenet User
 
Posts: 1,846
Default Hosts file & slow loading?

No, you are not "naked to the net" when you disable the HOSTS file. If you
go to a site with lots of 3rd-party advertising, then you might see a lot
more download on that page, or if you type in the address of a particularly
malicious website and go to it, you might risk catching something...

Yes, it is part of an anti-spyware strategy and may even get re-enabled
automatically when you restart. That question -- what app is using the HOSTS
file for anti-spyware purposes -- is one that you might want to answer.

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS MVP Shell/User
http://grystmill.com/articles/cleanboot.htm
http://grystmill.com/articles/security.htm

"Joe T" wrote in message
news
1.Text only pages loads up fine.
2. Wal-Mart changed to now its called Netscape Connect but its not

Netscape
browser.
3. If I rename the hosts file temporarally for testing, am I now "naked"

to
the net? What happens then? Is the hosts file part of anti virus and

spyware
defeating section? Does windows automatically rebuild the file with

thousand
of entries in it?

Thanks all, I guess I'll just have to come into the 21st century and get
DSL/Broadband/Cable or whatever. Should I change to WinXP Pro from

98second
edition? Now to figure out which one is best and cheapest. Does that go
together? Can you have one AND the other? I'm still a tight wad.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------

-------------------
"J. P. Gilliver" wrote:

"Joe T" wrote in message
...
About 6 months ago my daughter forced me to stop being a dinosaur when

she
moved her family to Florida. (I don't even own a cell phone) She gave

me
her
old Win98SE computer after she "cleaned it" when she got a new one. I

am
using Wal-Mart dial up ($9.94/mo. Ok, I'm cheap she says, It's really

AOL
shell but with Wal-Mart branding). 520 mb ram she says, 120gb drive,


(Probably 512 rather than 520.) Sounds - assuming the rest is similar

spec.
to the RAM and HD size - as if it's likely to be a fairly good system.
[]
It's slow on loading up pages. Real slooow. I can go to the kitchen

and
pour
a cup of coffee and return and it's still loading. A young neighbor

said
it's


Hmm, that _is_ slow, even allowing for the propensity these days if site
designers to assume everybody has broadband. Does that apply even for
text-only pages (or with image downlad turned off, see below)?

probably the Hosts file. He explained and I kind of understand the
principle.
I looked at the host file and there is a boat load of sites there.
1. Doesn't this slow down the web browsing if it has to look for these
sites


As gary said, the Hosts file - assuming it is reasonably OK - is

probably
_saving_ you _some_ time.

first? 2. What would happen if I deleted these? 3. Can I set it up so

it

If you want to try, just rename the hosts file to some other name; if it
makes no difference, rename it back (deleting any hosts file the system

has
created on its own in the meantime).

doesn't have to download pictures? 4. Would that be faster?


Yes, and lots. A picture is generally worth a lot more than a thousand

words
these days (-:! A lot of web sites will be unusable, though, because

they
tend to have buttons with images of words on, so you can't see what the
buttons are; however, some sites will still work, especially if they've
implemented ALT text to help the visually handicapped and those on slow
links. (People who do this generally make better sites anyway, IMO ...)

As for _how_ you turn image download off, it depends on your browser. I
don't know if AOL/Walmart uses something different; if it's basically

some
variant of Internet Explorer, although it varies slightly with some
versions, it's probably (it is for this version 6 anyway) under Tools,
Internet options, Advanced, and you want to untick "Show Pictures" (and
probably tick "Show Image Download Placeholders" if not already ticked,

as
that will keep the structure on better-designed pages).

(If AOL is completely different, someone please say - I know not of it.)

Be kind, I'm an emerging Rip Van Winkle coming out of a 30 yr sleep.

Lot
of
catching up to do.

Delighted to hear it.







  #8  
Old December 1st 06, 03:47 AM posted to microsoft.public.win98.performance
Gary S. Terhune
External Usenet User
 
Posts: 1,846
Default Hosts file & slow loading?

No, you are not "naked to the net" when you disable the HOSTS file. If you
go to a site with lots of 3rd-party advertising, then you might see a lot
more download on that page, or if you type in the address of a particularly
malicious website and go to it, you might risk catching something...

Yes, it is part of an anti-spyware strategy and may even get re-enabled
automatically when you restart. That question -- what app is using the HOSTS
file for anti-spyware purposes -- is one that you might want to answer.

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS MVP Shell/User
http://grystmill.com/articles/cleanboot.htm
http://grystmill.com/articles/security.htm

"Joe T" wrote in message
news
1.Text only pages loads up fine.
2. Wal-Mart changed to now its called Netscape Connect but its not

Netscape
browser.
3. If I rename the hosts file temporarally for testing, am I now "naked"

to
the net? What happens then? Is the hosts file part of anti virus and

spyware
defeating section? Does windows automatically rebuild the file with

thousand
of entries in it?

Thanks all, I guess I'll just have to come into the 21st century and get
DSL/Broadband/Cable or whatever. Should I change to WinXP Pro from

98second
edition? Now to figure out which one is best and cheapest. Does that go
together? Can you have one AND the other? I'm still a tight wad.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------

-------------------
"J. P. Gilliver" wrote:

"Joe T" wrote in message
...
About 6 months ago my daughter forced me to stop being a dinosaur when

she
moved her family to Florida. (I don't even own a cell phone) She gave

me
her
old Win98SE computer after she "cleaned it" when she got a new one. I

am
using Wal-Mart dial up ($9.94/mo. Ok, I'm cheap she says, It's really

AOL
shell but with Wal-Mart branding). 520 mb ram she says, 120gb drive,


(Probably 512 rather than 520.) Sounds - assuming the rest is similar

spec.
to the RAM and HD size - as if it's likely to be a fairly good system.
[]
It's slow on loading up pages. Real slooow. I can go to the kitchen

and
pour
a cup of coffee and return and it's still loading. A young neighbor

said
it's


Hmm, that _is_ slow, even allowing for the propensity these days if site
designers to assume everybody has broadband. Does that apply even for
text-only pages (or with image downlad turned off, see below)?

probably the Hosts file. He explained and I kind of understand the
principle.
I looked at the host file and there is a boat load of sites there.
1. Doesn't this slow down the web browsing if it has to look for these
sites


As gary said, the Hosts file - assuming it is reasonably OK - is

probably
_saving_ you _some_ time.

first? 2. What would happen if I deleted these? 3. Can I set it up so

it

If you want to try, just rename the hosts file to some other name; if it
makes no difference, rename it back (deleting any hosts file the system

has
created on its own in the meantime).

doesn't have to download pictures? 4. Would that be faster?


Yes, and lots. A picture is generally worth a lot more than a thousand

words
these days (-:! A lot of web sites will be unusable, though, because

they
tend to have buttons with images of words on, so you can't see what the
buttons are; however, some sites will still work, especially if they've
implemented ALT text to help the visually handicapped and those on slow
links. (People who do this generally make better sites anyway, IMO ...)

As for _how_ you turn image download off, it depends on your browser. I
don't know if AOL/Walmart uses something different; if it's basically

some
variant of Internet Explorer, although it varies slightly with some
versions, it's probably (it is for this version 6 anyway) under Tools,
Internet options, Advanced, and you want to untick "Show Pictures" (and
probably tick "Show Image Download Placeholders" if not already ticked,

as
that will keep the structure on better-designed pages).

(If AOL is completely different, someone please say - I know not of it.)

Be kind, I'm an emerging Rip Van Winkle coming out of a 30 yr sleep.

Lot
of
catching up to do.

Delighted to hear it.







 




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