Help with logo.sys

1.
2. YES - providing it is placed in the root directory - I just tested a
number of configurations with the following results.....

a) the file logo.sys must be a bmp file of the right size/shape, named
LOGO.SYS (I also tried an empty logo.sys file, and it had no effect on the
splash screen)
b) the file LOGO.SYS must reside in the root directory.
c) the file SULOGO.SYS, wherever it is placed (C:\ or C:\Windows) is ignored
d) neither of my ME installs (both from MS media - adjusted to UK region
post-install) have files named LOGO.SYS present - or cabbed - except where
I placed them today.
e) The file LOGO02.SYS is ignored, whether in C:\ or C:\Windows
f) the file logo02.sys does NOT exist in either file or compressed form,
except where I created such a file

You were disputing the fact that the logo was contained within the IO.SYS in
earlier posts in this thread -
quote
could be wrong but didn't they change logo.sys to sulogo.sys in ME?
/quote
- which then went to ...
quote
I do however remember for the short time I used my WinME, that I
changed the boot up screen by placing a customized sulogo.sys in a certain
folder, the name of which is locked up in having a senior moment right now
quote
.....and.....
quote
Of course if your msdos.sys file or io.sys has been changed to take out
the default sulogo.sys and had logo.sys put in instead of course sulogo.sys
would not over ride what was *transplanted* into the msdos.sys or io.sys
file. However on a brand new vanilla install of the first ME (and most
likely all versions of ME) logo.sys was *not* part of the OS or even on the
install cd's
/quote

All of which are quite ridiculous statements.

--
Noel Paton (MS-MVP 2002-2006, Windows)

Nil Carborundum Illegitemi
http://www.crashfixpc.com/millsrpch.htm

http://tinyurl.com/6oztj

Please read http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm on how to post messages to NG's

"Sugien" wrote in message
...
You are hung up on something other then facts:

As I have said which you for what ever reason refuse to give a straight
answer to so again and one more time here we go:

1. Are you saying that WinME came with a file names logo.sys, I don't care
if it was inside a .cab file or IO.sys or what ever. I am just asking
point blank. Did or did NOT WinME come with a file named logo.sys?

2. Are you saying that if you place a file named logo.sys in a *default*
WinME install that it will change the boot up screen?

Those two questions are all that are germane to the discussion of who is
wrong about anything.

You see I agree the logo is contained in the IO.sys; but the logo('s) that
are contained in it are sulogo.sys and logo02.sys

oh and btw, it isn't a CABbed file it is a Cabinet as in filing cabinet

soap box
I will post where ever I choose. I get a tickle from people that actually
think being a MVP means something. Shoot, I could take a person that has
NEVER even use a windows system and if I using a bunch (not saying you did
mind you) of email addresses and IP's to send a bunch of recommendations
from to say that *non* pc user was helping me and if I send in enough of
them, that person that has never actually use a computer could be given
the *honorary* title of MVP. You don't have to take any test as with MCP
or for A+ certification. But even A+ certification shows that the person
passing at the very least knows the names of all the parts of a pc. It
also tickles me that no matter which group I go to there is always one or
two some times a few that think they know more then anyone else that has
the *nerve* to come into their group and *dare* to offer help to someone.
Those that think they are something always , always, always sooner or
later resort to personal attacks and it is most times brought about when
they feel their grip on the group slipping although in reality they should
be glad to have someone help.
/soap box

But as I said earlier, just to be 100% sure instead of 99.99% sure, I will
over the weekend put a different HD into my test pig machine and dig out
my dusty WinME and install it and then I will see; but I am confident that
even though I do have a senior moment every now and then even at the young
age of 52 and having been in the computer game since the military in 1971,
I every now and then confuse one OS with the other. It has to do with
having been in the game for over 30 years and that isn't including flow
charts and the likes in high school. I do know for a fact that one of the
recent OS's and it was NOT XP which the boot up was sulogo.sys and the
regular logo.sys refused to work. So maybe it was Win2K but I truly do
not think so; but if it is I will come back and say so in this thread.


--
VIA TITS (Teenager In Tennis Shoes)proxy of Sugien
/}
@###{ ]:::::ino-Soft Softwa:::::
\}
This post brought to you by Sneaker Net floppyware



"Noel Paton" wrote in message
...
did you even bother to read what YOU wrote, let alone what I wrote?

I never mentioned logo.sys in that post, nor logo02.sys (whatever, or
wherever you dredged that up from)

I only quoted your own words back at you from that thread - but you seem
to want to pick-and-choose, now.....

DEFAULT ME systems do NOT contain
1) logo.sys files (because the logo is contained within the IO.SYS)
2) sulogo.sys files (except within a CABbed file - which takes it out of
any reckoning in this context)
3) logo02.sys files (whatever they are - I've never seen such an animal
in any windows system, unless created by the user or a program -
correction - I've never seen one!)

As both Mike and Alan have said, extracting the SULOGO.SYS file from the
archive does absolutely NOTHING - except use disk space. (Oh - and you
must use a different Google archive to me, because that DOS command is
nowhere in that thread!)

The first part of which I, and others, stated earlier in this thread -
and which you seemed to take issue with - are you now trying to
worm-wriggle out of that standpoint?

Judging from the following claptrap you were on another planet at the
time you wrote the original post, anyway.....

quote[with comment]
M$ changed the name from logo.sys in winME to sulogo.sys, [wrong - this
was a new file] this had me baffled for a while [ I wonder why?] because
I assumed (wrongly) the win98ME followed the same convention as win98SE
and that they merely hid the logo.sys inside either io.sys [they did -
which you stated in an earlier part in the SAME POST] or msdos.sys; but
when I placed a logo.sys in C:\Windows it still showed the default
Win98ME boot up screen [so - were you booting Win ME or Win98??] so I
started listing all .sys file and when I saw sulogo.sys [in the CAB
files!] it hit me M$ named it that for Start Up Logo [Set Up logo - or
even standby - it's the file that OEMs use to create their own version of
the splash screen], lol I then took a logo.sys file renamed it to
sulogo.sys placed it in C:\Windows and wa la, new boot up screen in
Win98ME [Sorry - no such OS, then or now] P.S. I always placed a
logo.sys in both C:\Windows and root c:\ just to be sure [sure of what -
your own inadequacy? - or just to be sure that you don't have a clue what
file on your system is doing what?] )
/quote



Tough, you're on the hook!!

You have REPEATEDLY in this thread, denied that logo.sys is the effective
replacement for the graphic contained in IO.SYS (a complete reversal of
your earlier (2000) opinion) - and yet suddenly you are attempting to
argue that earlier position as if the people here had contradicted it. -
in fact you managed to do exactly that in that one post in 2000

Sorry - go back in your worm-hole in alt.hackers.whatever and leave
people who want to live in the real world alone.

--
Noel Paton (MS-MVP 2002-2006, Windows)

Nil Carborundum Illegitemi
http://www.crashfixpc.com/millsrpch.htm

http://tinyurl.com/6oztj

Please read http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm on how to post messages to NG's

"Sugien" wrote in message
...
So for the record are you saying that a logo.sys came with WinME? not a
logo02.sys but a logo.sys? If you then you are in error; because no
logo.sys ever cam with WinME.

"Noel Paton" wrote in message
...
WTF are you dribbling on about?
We are talking DEFAULT systems here - if you choose to castrate your
OS, that's your problem, but most people run with the IO.SYS, and
MSDOS, SYS that hey were given by MS, or a near approximation thereof,
and I know of no-one who routinely modifies the IO.SYS as you suggest -
it simply is NOT worth the hassle.


Your first link is to a Win98 post- so not relevant.
".... and even earlier in 2000" - ERM! -

actuley NO, it was for all Win9x and as you pointed out ME is a Win9x
system. Did you not read down the page and see it is for everyhting
from win95-WinME? For ME is says:

a.. Windows ME users:
EXTRACT /Y SULOGO.SYS D:\WIN9X\WIN_19.CAB




I agree the we *should* be talking about *default* systems. However if
we are talking about a logo.sys file then we are *not* talking about a
default install of WinME. I say that; because WinMe did *not* come with
a logo.sys file. I assert that there never was a logo.sys file as part
of WinME. If you have a problem with logo.sys never having came with
WinME take it up with Microsoft, I am only fowarding along information.
So as I said, are you or are you (and most likely the OP) not saying
that a logo.sys file came *with* WinME? I just want to get the facts
stright as to what you are ascerting. It is my contention that a
logo.sys file did NOT come with WinME, so it is a simple matter, do you
agree or not?


to quote YOUR OWN WORDS....
quote

logo.sys is contained in io.sys and you can take either the logow.sys
or the
logos.sys to get the proper format. Or you can just change logos.sys
and
rename it to logo.sys and put it back in the same folder the old
logo.sys
was via win95, it will override the on contained in io.sys and when or
if
you want to revert to the default that came with win98 you can just
remove
it or rename it and the default contained in io.sys(or is it msdos.sys
memory fails me) will then show.
/quote

--
Noel Paton (MS-MVP 2002-2006, Windows)

Nil Carborundum Illegitemi
http://www.crashfixpc.com/millsrpch.htm

http://tinyurl.com/6oztj

Please read http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm on how to post messages to
NG's

"Sugien" wrote in message
...
Of course if your msdos.sys file or io.sys has been changed to take
out the default sulogo.sys and had logo.sys put in instead of course
sulogo.sys would not over ride what was *transplanted* into the
msdos.sys or io.sys file. However on a brand new vanilla install of
the first ME (and most likely all versions of ME) logo.sys was *not*
part of the OS or even on the install cd's

First off don't feel along in this; because I gave help out on this
very subject back in 2001 here is a Google group link:
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.2600/browse_frm/thread/da4dfc04c96b35e4/c41c0051c6ab5f54?lnk=st&q=(logo.sys,sulogo.sys)+au thor:sugien&rnum=2&hl=en#c41c0051c6ab5f54

and even earlier in 2000
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.hackers.malicious/browse_frm/thread/4cf96c312d0b174f/688a3551b6b473fb?lnk=st&q=(logo.sys,sulogo.sys)+au thor:sugien&rnum=3&hl=en#688a3551b6b473fb


Well instead of going through all the trouble of installing ME, I
simply did a web search and found out that I was and am right about
logo.sys NOT coming with WinME; but I will take your word for it that
sulogo.sys will not override logo.sys. I suspect however that you
have a modified io.sys or msdos.sys file most likely a modified
io.sys. Here are a few url's to check if you don't believe me about
logo.sys having *never* come with nor being part of your or anyone's
original WinME:

begin CnP from Web pages
http://www.burzurq.com/forum/startup_splash.html

Startup Splash
How To Create A Custom Startup Splash:

Windows ME unlike previous versions of windows does not contain a
"logo.sys" file that can be edited or replaced. The startup splash
exists somewhere else. If you currently have a logo.sys file installed
it didn't come from Windows ME.

http://www.mdgx.com/newtip3.htm
Do you remember the logo that showed up on your screen when you booted
into your freshly installed Windows 9x/ME OS for the first time? Well,
Microsoft Setup routine wiped it out from your hard disk afterwards,
so you can't see it anymore.
But you can still have it displayed any time as your bootup logo.
Just extract the SULOGO.SYS (or LOGO_02.SYS) file from your
Win95/98/ME Setup CD-ROM by using EXTRACT.EXE, the Microsoft DOS mode
CAB extracting tool, located by default in C:\WINDOWS\COMMAND.
/begin CnP from Web pages

There are numerous other web pages if you care to do a search on
Google. I think you have a system that has been altered; because as
you can see logo.sys never was a part of winME and if yours prefers
logo.sys to sulogo.sys then as I have said a few times already, your
system files have been altered to prefer it.

hth


--
VIA TITS (Teenager In Tennis Shoes)proxy of Sugien
/}
@###{ ]:::::ino-Soft Softwa:::::
\}
This post brought to you by Sneaker Net floppyware


"Alan Edwards" wrote in message
...
Incorrect.

I found no way sulogo.sys would be used, whether logo.sys was there
or
not.

1. I booted Win ME with no sulogo.sys or logo.sys
The default screen came up.

2. I put sulogo.sys (turned upside down to be obvious)
It was not used.

3. I renamed sulogo.sys to logo.sys (just to check I had modified it
correctly)
It was now used.

4. I put in both a modifed sulogo.sys and a modifed logo.sys
Logo.sys was used.

...Alan
--
Alan Edwards, MS MVP Windows - Internet Explorer
http://dts-l.org/index.html

On Thu, 10 Nov 2005 18:07:04 -0500, "Sugien"
wrote:
I beg to differ; because I have put a sulogo.sys into the
windowsME
instaliation I used for a short time, and it does work as the start
up
screen.

In fact if both sulogo.sys and logo.sys are present
in the root c:\ the sulogo.sys will show up instead of logo.sys.


"Mike M" wrote in message
l...
The name of the file would have been logo.sys and the location the
root of
C:\. No other name or location works.

Both Mike, and I, are able to log into that, and the Partner site - not that
it matters at all.
Yes - I am also an OEM, so put that in your pipe and smoke it along with
whatever else it is you have in there.

--
Noel Paton (MS-MVP 2002-2006, Windows)

Nil Carborundum Illegitemi
http://www.crashfixpc.com/millsrpch.htm

http://tinyurl.com/6oztj

Please read http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm on how to post messages to NG's

"Sugien" wrote in message
...
Oh, btw, Mr. MVP, can you log onto he http://oem.microsoft.com

I received an email from you, are you saying you didn't send it? if not you
better check cause someone is forging you, here is the email headers and
all:


Return-Path:
Received: from spam9.bright.net (spam9.bright.net [209.143.0.181])
by www.horizonview.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id jABL2NG13698
for ; Fri, 11 Nov 2005 16:02:23 -0500
Received: from smtp804.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp804.mail.ukl.yahoo.com
[217.12.12.141])
by spam9.bright.net (8.13.3/8.13.4) with SMTP id jABL3Yeo067066
for ; Fri, 11 Nov 2005 16:03:35 -0500 (EST)
Received: (qmail 33109 invoked from network); 11 Nov 2005 21:03:33 -0000
Received: from unknown (HELO himself21wwuqq) with
login)
by smtp804.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Nov 2005 21:03:33 -0000
Message-ID: 00e301c5e703$62b75f70$0301a8c0@himself21wwuqq
From: "Noel Paton"
To: "Sugien"
References:







Subject: Help with logo.sys
Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2005 21:03:37 -0000
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain;
format=flowed;
charset="Windows-1252";
reply-type=response
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
X-Priority: 3
X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2670
X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670
X-CanItPRO-Stream:
X-Spam-Sco 0.6 () J_CHICKENPOX_26
X-Scanned-By: CanIt (www . roaringpenguin . com) on 192.168.1.181
Status:

....which is what you should have done BEFORE posting total BS!!

I doubt that you have anything confused - except yourself.

If you admit to error, it will make a first in my short experience of your
posting history, here and elsewhere. - but it will be received in the manner
in which it is presented.

Noel

Nil Carborundum Illegitemi


----- Original Message -----
From: "Sugien"
Newsgroups: microsoft.public.windowsme.general
Sent: Friday, November 11, 2005 8:01 PM
Subject: Help with logo.sys


Ok, well now I guess I am going to have to pull out my dusty winME cd and
install it on my pig machine and see what the deal is. I may have win2K
and WinME confused as I was trying out both around the same time. It may
be that instead of the root c: it has to be placed into the system folder
to override the default. btw, contrary to what you may try to have told
to you, I will if I am in error admit to such. I will install my WinME
and then get back to you after the holiday as today is veterans day and I
will only be on here a short time; because I will be walking in a 30 years
late local parade honoring Vietnam vets. I will however as I said install
my WinME over the weekend and get back with the results; because it may
even be(though I doubt it) because my WinME is one of the very first
publicly available ones. I will let you know next week.




Ok, so there is the headder, so either you sent it, or you hit the reply to
sender by mistake, or someone is forging you; because I most sureley DID
receive it. So which it is?


"Noel Paton" wrote in message
...
Wassup?? - couldn't stand the heat, so had to get out of the kitchen? -
trying to con me into thinking that we'd had an accidental email exchange
is NOT good practice!


--
Noel Paton (MS-MVP 2002-2006, Windows)

Nil Carborundum Illegitemi
http://www.crashfixpc.com/millsrpch.htm

http://tinyurl.com/6oztj

Please read http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm on how to post messages to NG's

"Sugien" wrote in message
...
We shall see, at the very least you should wait until I do my tests and
report back my results before you go making any type of allegations. If
I am wrong I will admit it; because as I said I was mucking about with
several OS's at the same time each on their own test box.
--
VIA TITS (Teenager In Tennis Shoes)proxy of Sugien
/}
@###{ ]:::::ino-Soft Softwa:::::
\}
This post brought to you by Sneaker Net floppyware
"Mike M" wrote in message
...
Alan,

It appears the poster concerned has little knowledge of the subject
since a simple experiment such as the one you (and I) have performed
quickly proves that he is talking rubbish. :-)
--
Mike Maltby



Alan Edwards wrote:

Incorrect.

I found no way sulogo.sys would be used, whether logo.sys was there or
not.

1. I booted Win ME with no sulogo.sys or logo.sys
The default screen came up.

2. I put sulogo.sys (turned upside down to be obvious)
It was not used.

3. I renamed sulogo.sys to logo.sys (just to check I had modified it
correctly)
It was now used.

4. I put in both a modifed sulogo.sys and a modifed logo.sys
Logo.sys was used.

Try reading the answers that I post - with detailed FACTs - rather that
trying to avoid your own duplicity.

--
Noel Paton (MS-MVP 2002-2006, Windows)

Nil Carborundum Illegitemi
http://www.crashfixpc.com/millsrpch.htm

http://tinyurl.com/6oztj

Please read http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm on how to post messages to NG's

"Sugien" wrote in message
.. .
You are still side stepping the issue: Answer the questions about what is
at issue:
Did WinME come with a logo.sys file, Yes____ No______

My apologies - I discover I did indeed send it, accidentally, to your email
addy rather than to the NG.
I withdraw unreservedly the imputations of my earlier post as copied below.

--
Noel Paton (MS-MVP 2002-2006, Windows)

Nil Carborundum Illegitemi
http://www.crashfixpc.com/millsrpch.htm

http://tinyurl.com/6oztj

Please read http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm on how to post messages to NG's

"Sugien" wrote in message
...
I received an email from you, are you saying you didn't send it? if not you
better check cause someone is forging you, here is the email headers and
all:

snipped

"Noel Paton" wrote in message
...
Wassup?? - couldn't stand the heat, so had to get out of the kitchen? -
trying to con me into thinking that we'd had an accidental email exchange
is NOT good practice!


--
Noel Paton (MS-MVP 2002-2006, Windows)

Nil Carborundum Illegitemi
http://www.crashfixpc.com/millsrpch.htm

http://tinyurl.com/6oztj

Please read http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm on how to post messages to NG's

Ok, so you are agreeing that 1, logo.sys did NOT come with WinME, correct?
or are you saying WinME did come with a logo.sys but that it was contained
in the IO.sys?
BUT, you are saying that if a person does place a logo.sys in C:\ that it
shows up correct?

I do however note that you have made one qualification that *may* have
slipped my notice, you say that this is for a WinMe install that is
"adjusted to UK region".
I guess it could be a case of a logo.sys working when a WinME is adjusted
to UK region; but I sincerely doubt if doing something that simple would
allow a logo.sys file to function there when it will not do so here.
However I will as I said install my dusty WinME and see.

What I said and stand by unless or until my tests over the weekend show me
different is that. 1. WinME did not come with WinME and you seem to agree
with that, except you may be trying to say it *is* contained in IO.sys. I
content that when I install my WinMe that after initial instillation and the
system is up and running, that when I place a logo.sys file which will be a
bmp file of the right size/shape in the root C:\ that it will *not*
function. I of course will also place a sulogo.sys file which will be a bmp
file of the right size/shape and try that likewise. What is going to be
quite interesting, is if it works one way for me and another in the UK, and
if that *is* the case then we will *both* have learned something new.


"Noel Paton" wrote in message
...
1.
2. YES - providing it is placed in the root directory - I just tested a
number of configurations with the following results.....

a) the file logo.sys must be a bmp file of the right size/shape, named
LOGO.SYS (I also tried an empty logo.sys file, and it had no effect on the
splash screen)
b) the file LOGO.SYS must reside in the root directory.
c) the file SULOGO.SYS, wherever it is placed (C:\ or C:\Windows) is
ignored
d) neither of my ME installs (both from MS media - adjusted to UK region
post-install) have files named LOGO.SYS present - or cabbed - except
where I placed them today.
e) The file LOGO02.SYS is ignored, whether in C:\ or C:\Windows
f) the file logo02.sys does NOT exist in either file or compressed form,
except where I created such a file

You were disputing the fact that the logo was contained within the IO.SYS
in earlier posts in this thread -
quote
could be wrong but didn't they change logo.sys to sulogo.sys in ME?
/quote
- which then went to ...
quote
I do however remember for the short time I used my WinME, that I
changed the boot up screen by placing a customized sulogo.sys in a certain
folder, the name of which is locked up in having a senior moment right now
quote
....and.....
quote
Of course if your msdos.sys file or io.sys has been changed to take out
the default sulogo.sys and had logo.sys put in instead of course
sulogo.sys
would not over ride what was *transplanted* into the msdos.sys or io.sys
file. However on a brand new vanilla install of the first ME (and most
likely all versions of ME) logo.sys was *not* part of the OS or even on
the
install cd's
/quote

All of which are quite ridiculous statements.

--
Noel Paton (MS-MVP 2002-2006, Windows)

Nil Carborundum Illegitemi
http://www.crashfixpc.com/millsrpch.htm

http://tinyurl.com/6oztj

Please read http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm on how to post messages to NG's

"Sugien" wrote in message
...
You are hung up on something other then facts:

As I have said which you for what ever reason refuse to give a straight
answer to so again and one more time here we go:

1. Are you saying that WinME came with a file names logo.sys, I don't
care if it was inside a .cab file or IO.sys or what ever. I am just
asking point blank. Did or did NOT WinME come with a file named
logo.sys?

2. Are you saying that if you place a file named logo.sys in a *default*
WinME install that it will change the boot up screen?

Those two questions are all that are germane to the discussion of who is
wrong about anything.

You see I agree the logo is contained in the IO.sys; but the logo('s)
that are contained in it are sulogo.sys and logo02.sys

oh and btw, it isn't a CABbed file it is a Cabinet as in filing cabinet

soap box
I will post where ever I choose. I get a tickle from people that
actually think being a MVP means something. Shoot, I could take a person
that has NEVER even use a windows system and if I using a bunch (not
saying you did mind you) of email addresses and IP's to send a bunch of
recommendations from to say that *non* pc user was helping me and if I
send in enough of them, that person that has never actually use a
computer could be given the *honorary* title of MVP. You don't have to
take any test as with MCP or for A+ certification. But even A+
certification shows that the person passing at the very least knows the
names of all the parts of a pc. It also tickles me that no matter which
group I go to there is always one or two some times a few that think they
know more then anyone else that has the *nerve* to come into their group
and *dare* to offer help to someone. Those that think they are something
always , always, always sooner or later resort to personal attacks and it
is most times brought about when they feel their grip on the group
slipping although in reality they should be glad to have someone help.
/soap box

But as I said earlier, just to be 100% sure instead of 99.99% sure, I
will over the weekend put a different HD into my test pig machine and dig
out my dusty WinME and install it and then I will see; but I am confident
that even though I do have a senior moment every now and then even at the
young age of 52 and having been in the computer game since the military
in 1971, I every now and then confuse one OS with the other. It has to
do with having been in the game for over 30 years and that isn't
including flow charts and the likes in high school. I do know for a fact
that one of the recent OS's and it was NOT XP which the boot up was
sulogo.sys and the regular logo.sys refused to work. So maybe it was
Win2K but I truly do not think so; but if it is I will come back and say
so in this thread.


--
VIA TITS (Teenager In Tennis Shoes)proxy of Sugien
/}
@###{ ]:::::ino-Soft Softwa:::::
\}
This post brought to you by Sneaker Net floppyware



"Noel Paton" wrote in message
...
did you even bother to read what YOU wrote, let alone what I wrote?

I never mentioned logo.sys in that post, nor logo02.sys (whatever, or
wherever you dredged that up from)

I only quoted your own words back at you from that thread - but you seem
to want to pick-and-choose, now.....

DEFAULT ME systems do NOT contain
1) logo.sys files (because the logo is contained within the IO.SYS)
2) sulogo.sys files (except within a CABbed file - which takes it out of
any reckoning in this context)
3) logo02.sys files (whatever they are - I've never seen such an animal
in any windows system, unless created by the user or a program -
correction - I've never seen one!)

As both Mike and Alan have said, extracting the SULOGO.SYS file from the
archive does absolutely NOTHING - except use disk space. (Oh - and you
must use a different Google archive to me, because that DOS command is
nowhere in that thread!)

The first part of which I, and others, stated earlier in this thread -
and which you seemed to take issue with - are you now trying to
worm-wriggle out of that standpoint?

Judging from the following claptrap you were on another planet at the
time you wrote the original post, anyway.....

quote[with comment]
M$ changed the name from logo.sys in winME to sulogo.sys, [wrong - this
was a new file] this had me baffled for a while [ I wonder why?] because
I assumed (wrongly) the win98ME followed the same convention as win98SE
and that they merely hid the logo.sys inside either io.sys [they did -
which you stated in an earlier part in the SAME POST] or msdos.sys; but
when I placed a logo.sys in C:\Windows it still showed the default
Win98ME boot up screen [so - were you booting Win ME or Win98??] so I
started listing all .sys file and when I saw sulogo.sys [in the CAB
files!] it hit me M$ named it that for Start Up Logo [Set Up logo - or
even standby - it's the file that OEMs use to create their own version
of the splash screen], lol I then took a logo.sys file renamed it to
sulogo.sys placed it in C:\Windows and wa la, new boot up screen in
Win98ME [Sorry - no such OS, then or now] P.S. I always placed a
logo.sys in both C:\Windows and root c:\ just to be sure [sure of
what - your own inadequacy? - or just to be sure that you don't have a
clue what file on your system is doing what?] )
/quote



Tough, you're on the hook!!

You have REPEATEDLY in this thread, denied that logo.sys is the
effective replacement for the graphic contained in IO.SYS (a complete
reversal of your earlier (2000) opinion) - and yet suddenly you are
attempting to argue that earlier position as if the people here had
contradicted it. - in fact you managed to do exactly that in that one
post in 2000

Sorry - go back in your worm-hole in alt.hackers.whatever and leave
people who want to live in the real world alone.

--
Noel Paton (MS-MVP 2002-2006, Windows)

Nil Carborundum Illegitemi
http://www.crashfixpc.com/millsrpch.htm

http://tinyurl.com/6oztj

Please read http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm on how to post messages to
NG's

"Sugien" wrote in message
...
So for the record are you saying that a logo.sys came with WinME? not
a logo02.sys but a logo.sys? If you then you are in error; because no
logo.sys ever cam with WinME.

"Noel Paton" wrote in message
...
WTF are you dribbling on about?
We are talking DEFAULT systems here - if you choose to castrate your
OS, that's your problem, but most people run with the IO.SYS, and
MSDOS, SYS that hey were given by MS, or a near approximation thereof,
and I know of no-one who routinely modifies the IO.SYS as you
suggest - it simply is NOT worth the hassle.


Your first link is to a Win98 post- so not relevant.
".... and even earlier in 2000" - ERM! -

actuley NO, it was for all Win9x and as you pointed out ME is a Win9x
system. Did you not read down the page and see it is for everyhting
from win95-WinME? For ME is says:

a.. Windows ME users:
EXTRACT /Y SULOGO.SYS D:\WIN9X\WIN_19.CAB




I agree the we *should* be talking about *default* systems. However if
we are talking about a logo.sys file then we are *not* talking about a
default install of WinME. I say that; because WinMe did *not* come
with a logo.sys file. I assert that there never was a logo.sys file as
part of WinME. If you have a problem with logo.sys never having came
with WinME take it up with Microsoft, I am only fowarding along
information. So as I said, are you or are you (and most likely the OP)
not saying that a logo.sys file came *with* WinME? I just want to get
the facts stright as to what you are ascerting. It is my contention
that a logo.sys file did NOT come with WinME, so it is a simple matter,
do you agree or not?


to quote YOUR OWN WORDS....
quote

logo.sys is contained in io.sys and you can take either the logow.sys
or the
logos.sys to get the proper format. Or you can just change logos.sys
and
rename it to logo.sys and put it back in the same folder the old
logo.sys
was via win95, it will override the on contained in io.sys and when
or if
you want to revert to the default that came with win98 you can just
remove
it or rename it and the default contained in io.sys(or is it msdos.sys
memory fails me) will then show.
/quote

--
Noel Paton (MS-MVP 2002-2006, Windows)

Nil Carborundum Illegitemi
http://www.crashfixpc.com/millsrpch.htm

http://tinyurl.com/6oztj

Please read http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm on how to post messages to
NG's

"Sugien" wrote in message
...
Of course if your msdos.sys file or io.sys has been changed to
take out the default sulogo.sys and had logo.sys put in instead of
course sulogo.sys would not over ride what was *transplanted* into
the msdos.sys or io.sys file. However on a brand new vanilla install
of the first ME (and most likely all versions of ME) logo.sys was
*not* part of the OS or even on the install cd's

First off don't feel along in this; because I gave help out on this
very subject back in 2001 here is a Google group link:
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.2600/browse_frm/thread/da4dfc04c96b35e4/c41c0051c6ab5f54?lnk=st&q=(logo.sys,sulogo.sys)+au thor:sugien&rnum=2&hl=en#c41c0051c6ab5f54

and even earlier in 2000
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.hackers.malicious/browse_frm/thread/4cf96c312d0b174f/688a3551b6b473fb?lnk=st&q=(logo.sys,sulogo.sys)+au thor:sugien&rnum=3&hl=en#688a3551b6b473fb


Well instead of going through all the trouble of installing ME, I
simply did a web search and found out that I was and am right about
logo.sys NOT coming with WinME; but I will take your word for it that
sulogo.sys will not override logo.sys. I suspect however that you
have a modified io.sys or msdos.sys file most likely a modified
io.sys. Here are a few url's to check if you don't believe me about
logo.sys having *never* come with nor being part of your or anyone's
original WinME:

begin CnP from Web pages
http://www.burzurq.com/forum/startup_splash.html

Startup Splash
How To Create A Custom Startup Splash:

Windows ME unlike previous versions of windows does not contain a
"logo.sys" file that can be edited or replaced. The startup splash
exists somewhere else. If you currently have a logo.sys file
installed it didn't come from Windows ME.

http://www.mdgx.com/newtip3.htm
Do you remember the logo that showed up on your screen when you
booted into your freshly installed Windows 9x/ME OS for the first
time? Well, Microsoft Setup routine wiped it out from your hard disk
afterwards, so you can't see it anymore.
But you can still have it displayed any time as your bootup logo.
Just extract the SULOGO.SYS (or LOGO_02.SYS) file from your
Win95/98/ME Setup CD-ROM by using EXTRACT.EXE, the Microsoft DOS mode
CAB extracting tool, located by default in C:\WINDOWS\COMMAND.
/begin CnP from Web pages

There are numerous other web pages if you care to do a search on
Google. I think you have a system that has been altered; because as
you can see logo.sys never was a part of winME and if yours prefers
logo.sys to sulogo.sys then as I have said a few times already, your
system files have been altered to prefer it.

hth


--
VIA TITS (Teenager In Tennis Shoes)proxy of Sugien
/}
@###{ ]:::::ino-Soft Softwa:::::
\}
This post brought to you by Sneaker Net floppyware


"Alan Edwards" wrote in message
...
Incorrect.

I found no way sulogo.sys would be used, whether logo.sys was there
or
not.

1. I booted Win ME with no sulogo.sys or logo.sys
The default screen came up.

2. I put sulogo.sys (turned upside down to be obvious)
It was not used.

3. I renamed sulogo.sys to logo.sys (just to check I had modified it
correctly)
It was now used.

4. I put in both a modifed sulogo.sys and a modifed logo.sys
Logo.sys was used.

...Alan
--
Alan Edwards, MS MVP Windows - Internet Explorer
http://dts-l.org/index.html

On Thu, 10 Nov 2005 18:07:04 -0500, "Sugien"

wrote:
I beg to differ; because I have put a sulogo.sys into the
windowsME
instaliation I used for a short time, and it does work as the start
up
screen.

In fact if both sulogo.sys and logo.sys are present
in the root c:\ the sulogo.sys will show up instead of logo.sys.


"Mike M" wrote in message
bl...
The name of the file would have been logo.sys and the location the
root of
C:\. No other name or location works.

So I guess you also just sent *again* by accident the email I just received
where you said "You cheeky little SOB! -" , so was that also by accident?
btw, apology accepted.


"Noel Paton" wrote in message
...
My apologies - I discover I did indeed send it, accidentally, to your
email addy rather than to the NG.
I withdraw unreservedly the imputations of my earlier post as copied
below.

--
Noel Paton (MS-MVP 2002-2006, Windows)

Nil Carborundum Illegitemi
http://www.crashfixpc.com/millsrpch.htm

http://tinyurl.com/6oztj

Please read http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm on how to post messages to NG's

"Sugien" wrote in message
...
I received an email from you, are you saying you didn't send it? if not
you better check cause someone is forging you, here is the email headers
and all:

snipped

"Noel Paton" wrote in message
...
Wassup?? - couldn't stand the heat, so had to get out of the kitchen? -
trying to con me into thinking that we'd had an accidental email
exchange is NOT good practice!


--
Noel Paton (MS-MVP 2002-2006, Windows)

Nil Carborundum Illegitemi
http://www.crashfixpc.com/millsrpch.htm

http://tinyurl.com/6oztj

Please read http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm on how to post messages to
NG's

try reading what I wrote - I covered all the points in your first para
there.
As far as the regionality is concerned, AFAIK, it makes no difference except
for the duration of the splash. The source is not changed.

quote
What I said and stand by unless or until my tests over the weekend show me
different is that. 1. WinME did not come with WinME
/quote
Duhh??

Certainly the splash screen is contained within the IO.SYS - as has been
stated many times (including by yourself) - however, the exact format of it
I do not know. What is obvious is that the existence of a logo.sys file of
the right form in the right place will override that 'file' and change the
splash.

I'll try with a US install over the weekend - if I find time, as I have a
network installation to do.

--
Noel Paton (MS-MVP 2002-2006, Windows)

Nil Carborundum Illegitemi
http://www.crashfixpc.com/millsrpch.htm

http://tinyurl.com/6oztj

Please read http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm on how to post messages to NG's

"Sugien" wrote in message
...
Ok, so you are agreeing that 1, logo.sys did NOT come with WinME, correct?
or are you saying WinME did come with a logo.sys but that it was contained
in the IO.sys?
BUT, you are saying that if a person does place a logo.sys in C:\ that it
shows up correct?

I do however note that you have made one qualification that *may* have
slipped my notice, you say that this is for a WinMe install that is
"adjusted to UK region".
I guess it could be a case of a logo.sys working when a WinME is adjusted
to UK region; but I sincerely doubt if doing something that simple would
allow a logo.sys file to function there when it will not do so here.
However I will as I said install my dusty WinME and see.

What I said and stand by unless or until my tests over the weekend show me
different is that. 1. WinME did not come with WinME and you seem to agree
with that, except you may be trying to say it *is* contained in IO.sys. I
content that when I install my WinMe that after initial instillation and
the system is up and running, that when I place a logo.sys file which will
be a bmp file of the right size/shape in the root C:\ that it will *not*
function. I of course will also place a sulogo.sys file which will be a
bmp file of the right size/shape and try that likewise. What is going to
be quite interesting, is if it works one way for me and another in the UK,
and if that *is* the case then we will *both* have learned something new.


"Noel Paton" wrote in message
...
1.
2. YES - providing it is placed in the root directory - I just tested a
number of configurations with the following results.....

a) the file logo.sys must be a bmp file of the right size/shape, named
LOGO.SYS (I also tried an empty logo.sys file, and it had no effect on
the splash screen)
b) the file LOGO.SYS must reside in the root directory.
c) the file SULOGO.SYS, wherever it is placed (C:\ or C:\Windows) is
ignored
d) neither of my ME installs (both from MS media - adjusted to UK region
post-install) have files named LOGO.SYS present - or cabbed - except
where I placed them today.
e) The file LOGO02.SYS is ignored, whether in C:\ or C:\Windows
f) the file logo02.sys does NOT exist in either file or compressed form,
except where I created such a file

You were disputing the fact that the logo was contained within the IO.SYS
in earlier posts in this thread -
quote
could be wrong but didn't they change logo.sys to sulogo.sys in ME?
/quote
- which then went to ...
quote
I do however remember for the short time I used my WinME, that I
changed the boot up screen by placing a customized sulogo.sys in a
certain
folder, the name of which is locked up in having a senior moment right
now
quote
....and.....
quote
Of course if your msdos.sys file or io.sys has been changed to take
out
the default sulogo.sys and had logo.sys put in instead of course
sulogo.sys
would not over ride what was *transplanted* into the msdos.sys or io.sys
file. However on a brand new vanilla install of the first ME (and most
likely all versions of ME) logo.sys was *not* part of the OS or even on
the
install cd's
/quote

All of which are quite ridiculous statements.

--
Noel Paton (MS-MVP 2002-2006, Windows)

Nil Carborundum Illegitemi
http://www.crashfixpc.com/millsrpch.htm

http://tinyurl.com/6oztj

Please read http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm on how to post messages to NG's

"Sugien" wrote in message
...
You are hung up on something other then facts:

As I have said which you for what ever reason refuse to give a straight
answer to so again and one more time here we go:

1. Are you saying that WinME came with a file names logo.sys, I don't
care if it was inside a .cab file or IO.sys or what ever. I am just
asking point blank. Did or did NOT WinME come with a file named
logo.sys?

2. Are you saying that if you place a file named logo.sys in a
*default* WinME install that it will change the boot up screen?

Those two questions are all that are germane to the discussion of who is
wrong about anything.

You see I agree the logo is contained in the IO.sys; but the logo('s)
that are contained in it are sulogo.sys and logo02.sys

oh and btw, it isn't a CABbed file it is a Cabinet as in filing cabinet

soap box
I will post where ever I choose. I get a tickle from people that
actually think being a MVP means something. Shoot, I could take a
person that has NEVER even use a windows system and if I using a bunch
(not saying you did mind you) of email addresses and IP's to send a
bunch of recommendations from to say that *non* pc user was helping me
and if I send in enough of them, that person that has never actually use
a computer could be given the *honorary* title of MVP. You don't have
to take any test as with MCP or for A+ certification. But even A+
certification shows that the person passing at the very least knows the
names of all the parts of a pc. It also tickles me that no matter which
group I go to there is always one or two some times a few that think
they know more then anyone else that has the *nerve* to come into their
group and *dare* to offer help to someone. Those that think they are
something always , always, always sooner or later resort to personal
attacks and it is most times brought about when they feel their grip on
the group slipping although in reality they should be glad to have
someone help.
/soap box

But as I said earlier, just to be 100% sure instead of 99.99% sure, I
will over the weekend put a different HD into my test pig machine and
dig out my dusty WinME and install it and then I will see; but I am
confident that even though I do have a senior moment every now and then
even at the young age of 52 and having been in the computer game since
the military in 1971, I every now and then confuse one OS with the
other. It has to do with having been in the game for over 30 years and
that isn't including flow charts and the likes in high school. I do
know for a fact that one of the recent OS's and it was NOT XP which the
boot up was sulogo.sys and the regular logo.sys refused to work. So
maybe it was Win2K but I truly do not think so; but if it is I will come
back and say so in this thread.


--
VIA TITS (Teenager In Tennis Shoes)proxy of Sugien
/}
@###{ ]:::::ino-Soft Softwa:::::
\}
This post brought to you by Sneaker Net floppyware



"Noel Paton" wrote in message
...
did you even bother to read what YOU wrote, let alone what I wrote?

I never mentioned logo.sys in that post, nor logo02.sys (whatever, or
wherever you dredged that up from)

I only quoted your own words back at you from that thread - but you
seem to want to pick-and-choose, now.....

DEFAULT ME systems do NOT contain
1) logo.sys files (because the logo is contained within the IO.SYS)
2) sulogo.sys files (except within a CABbed file - which takes it out
of any reckoning in this context)
3) logo02.sys files (whatever they are - I've never seen such an animal
in any windows system, unless created by the user or a program -
correction - I've never seen one!)

As both Mike and Alan have said, extracting the SULOGO.SYS file from
the archive does absolutely NOTHING - except use disk space. (Oh - and
you must use a different Google archive to me, because that DOS command
is nowhere in that thread!)

The first part of which I, and others, stated earlier in this thread -
and which you seemed to take issue with - are you now trying to
worm-wriggle out of that standpoint?

Judging from the following claptrap you were on another planet at the
time you wrote the original post, anyway.....

quote[with comment]
M$ changed the name from logo.sys in winME to sulogo.sys, [wrong - this
was a new file] this had me baffled for a while [ I wonder why?]
because I assumed (wrongly) the win98ME followed the same convention as
win98SE and that they merely hid the logo.sys inside either io.sys
[they did - which you stated in an earlier part in the SAME POST] or
msdos.sys; but when I placed a logo.sys in C:\Windows it still showed
the default Win98ME boot up screen [so - were you booting Win ME or
Win98??] so I started listing all .sys file and when I saw sulogo.sys
[in the CAB files!] it hit me M$ named it that for Start Up Logo [Set
Up logo - or even standby - it's the file that OEMs use to create their
own version of the splash screen], lol I then took a logo.sys file
renamed it to sulogo.sys placed it in C:\Windows and wa la, new boot up
screen in Win98ME [Sorry - no such OS, then or now] P.S. I always
placed a logo.sys in both C:\Windows and root c:\ just to be sure
[sure of what - your own inadequacy? - or just to be sure that you
don't have a clue what file on your system is doing what?] )
/quote



Tough, you're on the hook!!

You have REPEATEDLY in this thread, denied that logo.sys is the
effective replacement for the graphic contained in IO.SYS (a complete
reversal of your earlier (2000) opinion) - and yet suddenly you are
attempting to argue that earlier position as if the people here had
contradicted it. - in fact you managed to do exactly that in that one
post in 2000

Sorry - go back in your worm-hole in alt.hackers.whatever and leave
people who want to live in the real world alone.

--
Noel Paton (MS-MVP 2002-2006, Windows)

Nil Carborundum Illegitemi
http://www.crashfixpc.com/millsrpch.htm

http://tinyurl.com/6oztj

Please read http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm on how to post messages to
NG's

"Sugien" wrote in message
...
So for the record are you saying that a logo.sys came with WinME? not
a logo02.sys but a logo.sys? If you then you are in error; because no
logo.sys ever cam with WinME.

"Noel Paton" wrote in message
...
WTF are you dribbling on about?
We are talking DEFAULT systems here - if you choose to castrate your
OS, that's your problem, but most people run with the IO.SYS, and
MSDOS, SYS that hey were given by MS, or a near approximation
thereof, and I know of no-one who routinely modifies the IO.SYS as
you suggest - it simply is NOT worth the hassle.


Your first link is to a Win98 post- so not relevant.
".... and even earlier in 2000" - ERM! -

actuley NO, it was for all Win9x and as you pointed out ME is a Win9x
system. Did you not read down the page and see it is for everyhting
from win95-WinME? For ME is says:

a.. Windows ME users:
EXTRACT /Y SULOGO.SYS D:\WIN9X\WIN_19.CAB




I agree the we *should* be talking about *default* systems. However
if we are talking about a logo.sys file then we are *not* talking
about a default install of WinME. I say that; because WinMe did *not*
come with a logo.sys file. I assert that there never was a logo.sys
file as part of WinME. If you have a problem with logo.sys never
having came with WinME take it up with Microsoft, I am only fowarding
along information. So as I said, are you or are you (and most likely
the OP) not saying that a logo.sys file came *with* WinME? I just
want to get the facts stright as to what you are ascerting. It is my
contention that a logo.sys file did NOT come with WinME, so it is a
simple matter, do you agree or not?


to quote YOUR OWN WORDS....
quote

logo.sys is contained in io.sys and you can take either the logow.sys
or the
logos.sys to get the proper format. Or you can just change logos.sys
and
rename it to logo.sys and put it back in the same folder the old
logo.sys
was via win95, it will override the on contained in io.sys and when
or if
you want to revert to the default that came with win98 you can just
remove
it or rename it and the default contained in io.sys(or is it
msdos.sys
memory fails me) will then show.
/quote

--
Noel Paton (MS-MVP 2002-2006, Windows)

Nil Carborundum Illegitemi
http://www.crashfixpc.com/millsrpch.htm

http://tinyurl.com/6oztj

Please read http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm on how to post messages to
NG's

"Sugien" wrote in message
...
Of course if your msdos.sys file or io.sys has been changed to
take out the default sulogo.sys and had logo.sys put in instead of
course sulogo.sys would not over ride what was *transplanted* into
the msdos.sys or io.sys file. However on a brand new vanilla
install of the first ME (and most likely all versions of ME)
logo.sys was *not* part of the OS or even on the install cd's

First off don't feel along in this; because I gave help out on this
very subject back in 2001 here is a Google group link:
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.2600/browse_frm/thread/da4dfc04c96b35e4/c41c0051c6ab5f54?lnk=st&q=(logo.sys,sulogo.sys)+au thor:sugien&rnum=2&hl=en#c41c0051c6ab5f54

and even earlier in 2000
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.hackers.malicious/browse_frm/thread/4cf96c312d0b174f/688a3551b6b473fb?lnk=st&q=(logo.sys,sulogo.sys)+au thor:sugien&rnum=3&hl=en#688a3551b6b473fb


Well instead of going through all the trouble of installing ME, I
simply did a web search and found out that I was and am right about
logo.sys NOT coming with WinME; but I will take your word for it
that sulogo.sys will not override logo.sys. I suspect however that
you have a modified io.sys or msdos.sys file most likely a modified
io.sys. Here are a few url's to check if you don't believe me about
logo.sys having *never* come with nor being part of your or anyone's
original WinME:

begin CnP from Web pages
http://www.burzurq.com/forum/startup_splash.html

Startup Splash
How To Create A Custom Startup Splash:

Windows ME unlike previous versions of windows does not contain a
"logo.sys" file that can be edited or replaced. The startup splash
exists somewhere else. If you currently have a logo.sys file
installed it didn't come from Windows ME.

http://www.mdgx.com/newtip3.htm
Do you remember the logo that showed up on your screen when you
booted into your freshly installed Windows 9x/ME OS for the first
time? Well, Microsoft Setup routine wiped it out from your hard disk
afterwards, so you can't see it anymore.
But you can still have it displayed any time as your bootup logo.
Just extract the SULOGO.SYS (or LOGO_02.SYS) file from your
Win95/98/ME Setup CD-ROM by using EXTRACT.EXE, the Microsoft DOS
mode CAB extracting tool, located by default in C:\WINDOWS\COMMAND.
/begin CnP from Web pages

There are numerous other web pages if you care to do a search on
Google. I think you have a system that has been altered; because as
you can see logo.sys never was a part of winME and if yours prefers
logo.sys to sulogo.sys then as I have said a few times already, your
system files have been altered to prefer it.

hth


--
VIA TITS (Teenager In Tennis Shoes)proxy of Sugien
/}
@###{ ]:::::ino-Soft Softwa:::::
\}
This post brought to you by Sneaker Net floppyware


"Alan Edwards" wrote in message
...
Incorrect.

I found no way sulogo.sys would be used, whether logo.sys was there
or
not.

1. I booted Win ME with no sulogo.sys or logo.sys
The default screen came up.

2. I put sulogo.sys (turned upside down to be obvious)
It was not used.

3. I renamed sulogo.sys to logo.sys (just to check I had modified
it
correctly)
It was now used.

4. I put in both a modifed sulogo.sys and a modifed logo.sys
Logo.sys was used.

...Alan
--
Alan Edwards, MS MVP Windows - Internet Explorer
http://dts-l.org/index.html

On Thu, 10 Nov 2005 18:07:04 -0500, "Sugien"

wrote:
I beg to differ; because I have put a sulogo.sys into the
windowsME
instaliation I used for a short time, and it does work as the start
up
screen.

In fact if both sulogo.sys and logo.sys are present
in the root c:\ the sulogo.sys will show up instead of logo.sys.


"Mike M" wrote in message
. gbl...
The name of the file would have been logo.sys and the location
the root of
C:\. No other name or location works.

ok, so, until next week I will leave off this thread until I can prove
firstly to myself and then I will let others know the results one way or the
other
"Noel Paton" wrote in message
...
try reading what I wrote - I covered all the points in your first para
there.
As far as the regionality is concerned, AFAIK, it makes no difference
except for the duration of the splash. The source is not changed.

quote
What I said and stand by unless or until my tests over the weekend show me
different is that. 1. WinME did not come with WinME
/quote
Duhh??

brain lock, fingers could not keep up to train of thought and cabose was
passing the engine, lol


Certainly the splash screen is contained within the IO.SYS - as has been
stated many times (including by yourself) - however, the exact format of
it I do not know. What is obvious is that the existence of a logo.sys file
of the right form in the right place will override that 'file' and change
the splash.

I'll try with a US install over the weekend - if I find time, as I have a
network installation to do.

--
Noel Paton (MS-MVP 2002-2006, Windows)

Nil Carborundum Illegitemi
http://www.crashfixpc.com/millsrpch.htm

http://tinyurl.com/6oztj

Please read http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm on how to post messages to NG's

"Sugien" wrote in message
...
Ok, so you are agreeing that 1, logo.sys did NOT come with WinME,
correct?
or are you saying WinME did come with a logo.sys but that it was
contained in the IO.sys?
BUT, you are saying that if a person does place a logo.sys in C:\ that it
shows up correct?

I do however note that you have made one qualification that *may* have
slipped my notice, you say that this is for a WinMe install that is
"adjusted to UK region".
I guess it could be a case of a logo.sys working when a WinME is
adjusted to UK region; but I sincerely doubt if doing something that
simple would allow a logo.sys file to function there when it will not do
so here. However I will as I said install my dusty WinME and see.

What I said and stand by unless or until my tests over the weekend show
me different is that. 1. WinME did not come with WinME and you seem to
agree with that, except you may be trying to say it *is* contained in
IO.sys. I content that when I install my WinMe that after initial
instillation and the system is up and running, that when I place a
logo.sys file which will be a bmp file of the right size/shape in the
root C:\ that it will *not* function. I of course will also place a
sulogo.sys file which will be a bmp file of the right size/shape and try
that likewise. What is going to be quite interesting, is if it works one
way for me and another in the UK, and if that *is* the case then we will
*both* have learned something new.


"Noel Paton" wrote in message
...
1.
2. YES - providing it is placed in the root directory - I just tested a
number of configurations with the following results.....

a) the file logo.sys must be a bmp file of the right size/shape, named
LOGO.SYS (I also tried an empty logo.sys file, and it had no effect on
the splash screen)
b) the file LOGO.SYS must reside in the root directory.
c) the file SULOGO.SYS, wherever it is placed (C:\ or C:\Windows) is
ignored
d) neither of my ME installs (both from MS media - adjusted to UK region
post-install) have files named LOGO.SYS present - or cabbed - except
where I placed them today.
e) The file LOGO02.SYS is ignored, whether in C:\ or C:\Windows
f) the file logo02.sys does NOT exist in either file or compressed form,
except where I created such a file

You were disputing the fact that the logo was contained within the
IO.SYS in earlier posts in this thread -
quote
could be wrong but didn't they change logo.sys to sulogo.sys in ME?
/quote
- which then went to ...
quote
I do however remember for the short time I used my WinME, that I
changed the boot up screen by placing a customized sulogo.sys in a
certain
folder, the name of which is locked up in having a senior moment right
now
quote
....and.....
quote
Of course if your msdos.sys file or io.sys has been changed to take
out
the default sulogo.sys and had logo.sys put in instead of course
sulogo.sys
would not over ride what was *transplanted* into the msdos.sys or io.sys
file. However on a brand new vanilla install of the first ME (and most
likely all versions of ME) logo.sys was *not* part of the OS or even on
the
install cd's
/quote

All of which are quite ridiculous statements.

--
Noel Paton (MS-MVP 2002-2006, Windows)

Nil Carborundum Illegitemi
http://www.crashfixpc.com/millsrpch.htm

http://tinyurl.com/6oztj

Please read http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm on how to post messages to
NG's

"Sugien" wrote in message
...
You are hung up on something other then facts:

As I have said which you for what ever reason refuse to give a straight
answer to so again and one more time here we go:

1. Are you saying that WinME came with a file names logo.sys, I don't
care if it was inside a .cab file or IO.sys or what ever. I am just
asking point blank. Did or did NOT WinME come with a file named
logo.sys?

2. Are you saying that if you place a file named logo.sys in a
*default* WinME install that it will change the boot up screen?

Those two questions are all that are germane to the discussion of who
is wrong about anything.

You see I agree the logo is contained in the IO.sys; but the logo('s)
that are contained in it are sulogo.sys and logo02.sys

oh and btw, it isn't a CABbed file it is a Cabinet as in filing cabinet

soap box
I will post where ever I choose. I get a tickle from people that
actually think being a MVP means something. Shoot, I could take a
person that has NEVER even use a windows system and if I using a bunch
(not saying you did mind you) of email addresses and IP's to send a
bunch of recommendations from to say that *non* pc user was helping me
and if I send in enough of them, that person that has never actually
use a computer could be given the *honorary* title of MVP. You don't
have to take any test as with MCP or for A+ certification. But even A+
certification shows that the person passing at the very least knows the
names of all the parts of a pc. It also tickles me that no matter
which group I go to there is always one or two some times a few that
think they know more then anyone else that has the *nerve* to come into
their group and *dare* to offer help to someone. Those that think they
are something always , always, always sooner or later resort to
personal attacks and it is most times brought about when they feel
their grip on the group slipping although in reality they should be
glad to have someone help.
/soap box

But as I said earlier, just to be 100% sure instead of 99.99% sure, I
will over the weekend put a different HD into my test pig machine and
dig out my dusty WinME and install it and then I will see; but I am
confident that even though I do have a senior moment every now and then
even at the young age of 52 and having been in the computer game since
the military in 1971, I every now and then confuse one OS with the
other. It has to do with having been in the game for over 30 years and
that isn't including flow charts and the likes in high school. I do
know for a fact that one of the recent OS's and it was NOT XP which the
boot up was sulogo.sys and the regular logo.sys refused to work. So
maybe it was Win2K but I truly do not think so; but if it is I will
come back and say so in this thread.


--
VIA TITS (Teenager In Tennis Shoes)proxy of Sugien
/}
@###{ ]:::::ino-Soft Softwa:::::
\}
This post brought to you by Sneaker Net floppyware



"Noel Paton" wrote in message
...
did you even bother to read what YOU wrote, let alone what I wrote?

I never mentioned logo.sys in that post, nor logo02.sys (whatever, or
wherever you dredged that up from)

I only quoted your own words back at you from that thread - but you
seem to want to pick-and-choose, now.....

DEFAULT ME systems do NOT contain
1) logo.sys files (because the logo is contained within the IO.SYS)
2) sulogo.sys files (except within a CABbed file - which takes it out
of any reckoning in this context)
3) logo02.sys files (whatever they are - I've never seen such an
animal in any windows system, unless created by the user or a
program - correction - I've never seen one!)

As both Mike and Alan have said, extracting the SULOGO.SYS file from
the archive does absolutely NOTHING - except use disk space. (Oh - and
you must use a different Google archive to me, because that DOS
command is nowhere in that thread!)

The first part of which I, and others, stated earlier in this thread -
and which you seemed to take issue with - are you now trying to
worm-wriggle out of that standpoint?

Judging from the following claptrap you were on another planet at the
time you wrote the original post, anyway.....

quote[with comment]
M$ changed the name from logo.sys in winME to sulogo.sys, [wrong -
this was a new file] this had me baffled for a while [ I wonder why?]
because I assumed (wrongly) the win98ME followed the same convention
as win98SE and that they merely hid the logo.sys inside either io.sys
[they did - which you stated in an earlier part in the SAME POST] or
msdos.sys; but when I placed a logo.sys in C:\Windows it still showed
the default Win98ME boot up screen [so - were you booting Win ME or
Win98??] so I started listing all .sys file and when I saw sulogo.sys
[in the CAB files!] it hit me M$ named it that for Start Up Logo [Set
Up logo - or even standby - it's the file that OEMs use to create
their own version of the splash screen], lol I then took a logo.sys
file renamed it to sulogo.sys placed it in C:\Windows and wa la, new
boot up screen in Win98ME [Sorry - no such OS, then or now] P.S. I
always placed a logo.sys in both C:\Windows and root c:\ just to be
sure [sure of what - your own inadequacy? - or just to be sure that
you don't have a clue what file on your system is doing what?] )
/quote



Tough, you're on the hook!!

You have REPEATEDLY in this thread, denied that logo.sys is the
effective replacement for the graphic contained in IO.SYS (a complete
reversal of your earlier (2000) opinion) - and yet suddenly you are
attempting to argue that earlier position as if the people here had
contradicted it. - in fact you managed to do exactly that in that one
post in 2000

Sorry - go back in your worm-hole in alt.hackers.whatever and leave
people who want to live in the real world alone.

--
Noel Paton (MS-MVP 2002-2006, Windows)

Nil Carborundum Illegitemi
http://www.crashfixpc.com/millsrpch.htm

http://tinyurl.com/6oztj

Please read http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm on how to post messages to
NG's

"Sugien" wrote in message
...
So for the record are you saying that a logo.sys came with WinME?
not a logo02.sys but a logo.sys? If you then you are in error;
because no logo.sys ever cam with WinME.

"Noel Paton" wrote in message
...
WTF are you dribbling on about?
We are talking DEFAULT systems here - if you choose to castrate your
OS, that's your problem, but most people run with the IO.SYS, and
MSDOS, SYS that hey were given by MS, or a near approximation
thereof, and I know of no-one who routinely modifies the IO.SYS as
you suggest - it simply is NOT worth the hassle.


Your first link is to a Win98 post- so not relevant.
".... and even earlier in 2000" - ERM! -

actuley NO, it was for all Win9x and as you pointed out ME is a Win9x
system. Did you not read down the page and see it is for everyhting
from win95-WinME? For ME is says:

a.. Windows ME users:
EXTRACT /Y SULOGO.SYS D:\WIN9X\WIN_19.CAB




I agree the we *should* be talking about *default* systems. However
if we are talking about a logo.sys file then we are *not* talking
about a default install of WinME. I say that; because WinMe did
*not* come with a logo.sys file. I assert that there never was a
logo.sys file as part of WinME. If you have a problem with logo.sys
never having came with WinME take it up with Microsoft, I am only
fowarding along information. So as I said, are you or are you (and
most likely the OP) not saying that a logo.sys file came *with*
WinME? I just want to get the facts stright as to what you are
ascerting. It is my contention that a logo.sys file did NOT come
with WinME, so it is a simple matter, do you agree or not?


to quote YOUR OWN WORDS....
quote

logo.sys is contained in io.sys and you can take either the
logow.sys or the
logos.sys to get the proper format. Or you can just change
logos.sys and
rename it to logo.sys and put it back in the same folder the old
logo.sys
was via win95, it will override the on contained in io.sys and when
or if
you want to revert to the default that came with win98 you can just
remove
it or rename it and the default contained in io.sys(or is it
msdos.sys
memory fails me) will then show.
/quote

--
Noel Paton (MS-MVP 2002-2006, Windows)

Nil Carborundum Illegitemi
http://www.crashfixpc.com/millsrpch.htm

http://tinyurl.com/6oztj

Please read http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm on how to post messages to
NG's

"Sugien" wrote in message
...
Of course if your msdos.sys file or io.sys has been changed to
take out the default sulogo.sys and had logo.sys put in instead of
course sulogo.sys would not over ride what was *transplanted* into
the msdos.sys or io.sys file. However on a brand new vanilla
install of the first ME (and most likely all versions of ME)
logo.sys was *not* part of the OS or even on the install cd's

First off don't feel along in this; because I gave help out on this
very subject back in 2001 here is a Google group link:
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.2600/browse_frm/thread/da4dfc04c96b35e4/c41c0051c6ab5f54?lnk=st&q=(logo.sys,sulogo.sys)+au thor:sugien&rnum=2&hl=en#c41c0051c6ab5f54

and even earlier in 2000
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.hackers.malicious/browse_frm/thread/4cf96c312d0b174f/688a3551b6b473fb?lnk=st&q=(logo.sys,sulogo.sys)+au thor:sugien&rnum=3&hl=en#688a3551b6b473fb


Well instead of going through all the trouble of installing ME, I
simply did a web search and found out that I was and am right about
logo.sys NOT coming with WinME; but I will take your word for it
that sulogo.sys will not override logo.sys. I suspect however that
you have a modified io.sys or msdos.sys file most likely a modified
io.sys. Here are a few url's to check if you don't believe me about
logo.sys having *never* come with nor being part of your or
anyone's original WinME:

begin CnP from Web pages
http://www.burzurq.com/forum/startup_splash.html

Startup Splash
How To Create A Custom Startup Splash:

Windows ME unlike previous versions of windows does not contain a
"logo.sys" file that can be edited or replaced. The startup splash
exists somewhere else. If you currently have a logo.sys file
installed it didn't come from Windows ME.

http://www.mdgx.com/newtip3.htm
Do you remember the logo that showed up on your screen when you
booted into your freshly installed Windows 9x/ME OS for the first
time? Well, Microsoft Setup routine wiped it out from your hard
disk afterwards, so you can't see it anymore.
But you can still have it displayed any time as your bootup logo.

Just extract the SULOGO.SYS (or LOGO_02.SYS) file from your
Win95/98/ME Setup CD-ROM by using EXTRACT.EXE, the Microsoft DOS
mode CAB extracting tool, located by default in C:\WINDOWS\COMMAND.
/begin CnP from Web pages

There are numerous other web pages if you care to do a search on
Google. I think you have a system that has been altered; because as
you can see logo.sys never was a part of winME and if yours prefers
logo.sys to sulogo.sys then as I have said a few times already,
your system files have been altered to prefer it.

hth


--
VIA TITS (Teenager In Tennis Shoes)proxy of Sugien
/}
@###{ ]:::::ino-Soft Softwa:::::
\}
This post brought to you by Sneaker Net floppyware


"Alan Edwards" wrote in message
...
Incorrect.

I found no way sulogo.sys would be used, whether logo.sys was
there or
not.

1. I booted Win ME with no sulogo.sys or logo.sys
The default screen came up.

2. I put sulogo.sys (turned upside down to be obvious)
It was not used.

3. I renamed sulogo.sys to logo.sys (just to check I had modified
it
correctly)
It was now used.

4. I put in both a modifed sulogo.sys and a modifed logo.sys
Logo.sys was used.

...Alan
--
Alan Edwards, MS MVP Windows - Internet Explorer
http://dts-l.org/index.html

On Thu, 10 Nov 2005 18:07:04 -0500, "Sugien"

wrote:
I beg to differ; because I have put a sulogo.sys into the
windowsME
instaliation I used for a short time, and it does work as the
start up
screen.

In fact if both sulogo.sys and logo.sys are present
in the root c:\ the sulogo.sys will show up instead of logo.sys.


"Mike M" wrote in message
.gbl...
The name of the file would have been logo.sys and the location
the root of
C:\. No other name or location works.