Ping: Noel - CDRTC.DLL

You'll have Heather in here soon I know she is into all that stuff, not
much use to me.
Tried it a few years ago, well actually the social did, I was adopted
when I was about 3 but came up against a brick wall trying to find out who
I am and it's very frustrating when you get asked, say at the doctors does
this or that run in the family and I haven't got a clue, although I have
got 2 birth certificates g
Joan



Mart wrote:
Hi guys,

You reminded me that I had a go at the Family Tree thing a few years
ago - 1998/9 I think, just before the 1881 census came on-line -
using the LDS 'boxed-set' version of some 30 CD's, plus a couple
other of their utilities. Seemed excellent value-for-money (£30 GBP)
at the time.
Not touched it for while - must go back and revisit. Now *that's* the
sort of thing I should be doing Shane - back to browsing again,
especially since all these new links are now available. Certainly can
be very absorbing, frustrating and rewarding!

Mart

NP Mike, - sorted!

Mart

Thanks Mart,
--
Mike


Mart wrote:

NP Mike, - sorted!

Mart:

Finally made it back.
When following your instructions, WE shows the same original conditions,
i.e. Floppy A asks to "Please insert a disk into drive A", even with a disk
inserted.
CD-ROM, with or without a disk inserted, tells me "The disk is not
formatted". Do you want to format it now?" with a "Yes" or "No" choice.
Clicking on yes gives me "This drive cannot be formatted" and clicking "ok"
informs me "The disk in drive F cannot be formatted". That's it and as it
has been from the beginning.
There must be a way to fix this from DOS, since the drives can be read from
there, according to Shane's post regarding this issue, but I need specific
instructions for execution of it, being familiar only with the "bare-bones"
of DOS.
BTW I had the "Windows Explorer" icon on the desktop, but it disappeared at
one time or another, don't know exactly when.
Is there a connection? Of course, I put it back on.
Hoping to find relief,

Harry.


"Mart" wrote in message
...
Hi Harry, Noel *may* be missing till late and I don't want to interfere
with
his train of troubleshooting, but from these results and your earlier post
(24 May 2006 22:43) you appear to have a single hard-drive divided into 3
partitions - C:, D: and E:.

However, in the meantime could you re-check the following two tests for me
please. (These won't affect Noel's proposals)

Boot into WinMe Normal Mode and then into Windows Explorer.

Insert e.g. your WinMe Startup floppy disk, into the A: drive and see if
you
can 'see' its contents in WE. If so :

Insert a Data CD into your CD-ROM (the F: drive) and again see if you can
'see' its contents in WE.

Please come back with your results - and EXACT error reports, if any.

Mart


"webster72n" wrote in message
...

Duly noted, Noel and here is the info you requested:

CDROM:
Device: TEAC CD-W58E
No resources used.

Disk Drives:
Device: Generic IDE DISK TYPE 46
Generic IDE DISK TYPE 47
Generic NEC FLOPPY DISK
IOMEGA ZIP 100
IOMEGA ZIP 100

Floppy Disk Controllers:
Device: Standard Floppy Disk Controller
Resources: IRQ: 06
I/O: 03F0h-03F5h
I/O: 03F7h-03F7h
DMA: 02

Hard Disk Controllers:
Device: Secondary IDE controller (dual fifo)
Resources: IRQ: 15
I/O: 0170h-0177h
I/O: 0376h-0376h
I/O: C008h-C00Fh

Device: Primary DE controller (dual fifo)
Resources: IRQ: 14
I/O: 01F0h-01F7h
I/O: 03F6h-03F6h
I/O: C000h-C007h

Device: VIA Bus Master PCI IDE Controller
Resources: IRQ: 14
IRQ: 15
I/O: 01F0h-01F7h
I/O: 03F6h-03F6h
I/O: 0170h-0177h
I/O: 0376h-0376h
I/O: C000h-C00Fh.

Under "Disk Drives" in normal mode It shows only 3 items:
Generic IDE DISK TYPE 47
Generic NEC FLOPPY DISK
IOMEGA ZIP 100.

Hope I got that right, because it didn't want to print in Safe Mode.

Harry.





"Noel Paton" wrote in message
...
Harry - you proved earlier that BOTH the floppy and the CD are reading
properly (at least in DOS)!!!
the floppy also appears to be working OK in Windows, from what I
remember
of
this incredibly convoluted thread.
Are you saying that the Floppy will not read in Normal Mode, but will
read
*the same floppy disk* in Safe Mode?

Boot to Safe Mode
Open Device Manager
ensure that you have it set to 'View Devices by type'
Please list ALL entries under the following branches:-
CDROM
Disk Drives
Floppy disk controllers
Hard Disk Controllers


--
Noel Paton (MS-MVP 2002-2006, Windows)

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"webster72n" wrote in message
...

Oh Marty, you want to know a lot.
Will try my best to accomodate you. First the drive list:
3 1/2 Floppy (A (not reading)*
3 1/2 Floppy (B (Iomega Zip100 & working)*
Local Disk (C (working)*
Local Disk (D (working)*
Local Disk (E (working)*
Compact Disk (F (not reading)*
* = (pers. comments).
I realize the fact, not being able to see the CD-ROM drive in Safe
Mode.
What I can do in safe mode is, access my Floppy A drive.
Since I have a DOS installation diskette for my CD-ROM Driver, I
would
like
to utilize it, only it tells me, "If you run an MS-DOS program in
safe
mode,
you risk corrupting the video display or experiencing anomalties. Do
you
want to run the program anyway?"
The choices are "Yes" and "No". What say ye?
Whatever else of what I said you don't understand, please ignore.
By now I seem convinced that both non-reading drives are in need of
replacement. I could be wrong, of course.

Harry.


"Mart" wrote in message
...
Harry, you WILL NOT SEE your CD-ROM in Safe Mode (except in DevMan)
as
the
drivers are not loaded. Therefore cannot be accessed (or seen) in
Windows
Explorer. See my other reply.

Mart


"webster72n" wrote in message
...
Mart:

In Safe Mode the "Compact Disk (F)" doesn't show as in windows.
In Device Manager the "Teac CD-W58E" is listed also
But it lost its ability to read and that's entirely possible, as
mentioned
before. In that instance a replacement is the only solution.
As far as I am concerned: 'case closed!'

Harry.


"Mart" wrote in message
...
Harry,

I still get the very same error message and
nothing changed from the way it was before.

Please give the EXACT error message - and, under what conditions.

Just to recap :-

When things were normal g what were ALL your 'original' drive
letters,
according to Windows Explorer and what drives did you have
connected?
(e.g.
A=FDD, C=HDD0, D=HDD1, E=CD-ROM[reader], F=CD-ROM[burner] etc.,)

Are they ALL still shown in WE now and what are their current
drive
letters?

Have you confirmed (and tested) the CD-ROM's in Real Mode DOS?

BTW - can you please try to remember to post in Plain Text in the
News
Groups.

Mart


"webster72n" wrote in message
...
Noel:

After making sure all evidence of "Adaptec" is removed, following
your
instructions, I still get the very same error message and nothing
changed
from the way it was before.
My only hope is replacement, but will it work?
What is the status on my report?

Harry.

Well.....now you are in my area of expertise!! Particularly if you are
Cumbrian born. There are 4 or 5 genealogy Lists for Cumberland and I do
run one of the Cumberland Lists.

If so, I have the LDS parish records for Whitehaven, Flimby and so on.
All my Bowness(es) are pre-civil registration (1835 and on).

I forget what is in those 30 CD's, mainly coz my people are born way
before them. And the LDS rarely records deaths......so that is of no
help. But there are numerous sources for Cumberland.

Cheers, Heather
PS......did you try the LDS FamilySearch dot Org website?? Lots of new
stuff on there now.

"Mart" wrote in message
...
Hi guys,

You reminded me that I had a go at the Family Tree thing a few years
ago - 1998/9 I think, just before the 1881 census came on-line - using
the LDS 'boxed-set' version of some 30 CD's, plus a couple other of
their utilities. Seemed excellent value-for-money (£30 GBP) at the
time.

Not touched it for while - must go back and revisit. Now *that's* the
sort of thing I should be doing Shane - back to browsing again,
especially since all these new links are now available. Certainly can
be very absorbing, frustrating and rewarding!

Mart

webster72n wrote:
Mart:

Finally made it back.
When following your instructions, WE shows the same original
conditions, i.e. Floppy A asks to "Please insert a disk into drive
A", even with a disk inserted.

I recently had this happen. I ejected the disk and reinserted it and it
wrote okay. I think the problem was it had been sitting around too long,
possibly got dusty, possibly began to be demagnetised. What happens with a
fresh-out-of-the-packet disk?

CD-ROM, with or without a disk inserted, tells me "The disk is not
formatted". Do you want to format it now?" with a "Yes" or "No"
choice. Clicking on yes gives me "This drive cannot be formatted" and
clicking "ok" informs me "The disk in drive F cannot be formatted".
That's it and as it has been from the beginning.

Harry, that just sounds like you still have packet-writing software eg
Adaptec/Roxio EasyCD or Ahead InCD installed.

If you're using CDR discs, do not select "Yes". They are already formatted,
also they are only usable one time and formatting uses them - thereafter
you'd get the message that they cannot be formatted.

If they weren't blank to begin with, you'd get the message that they cannot
be formatted.

So, to begin addressing the problem, do not select "Yes" if asked if you
want to format them!

The next question is *why* are you being asked if you want to format them?

Are you using CDR discs or CD-RW discs? If CD-RW, they should not be
recognised in Win ME without burning software installed, therefore they
should not be recognised. And you should be using pre-recorded data discs to
test with.

I think I'm going to have to read through this thread.

Shane

Mike M wrote:
Interesting! I think ol' Paxo is great interviewing politicians

There we agree. As for Clarkson, I seem to recall he is to the
Kilner's of Kilner jar fame and the theme of his episode was in
checking this out and discovering where the Kilner money disappeared
to. Moira Stuart's was interesting in so far as her roots included
her maternal grandparents coming to the UK to study Medicine at
Edinburgh University in the early 1900s and meeting and marrying and
then after practising in the Highlands returning to the Dominican
Republic (or perhaps Trinidad, I don't recall which as her
grandmother came from DR and her grandfather from Trinidad). Even
earlier her great-grandfather had come to the UK to study Law.

Maybe they should get Noel to do one! Think of the journey! vbg


Shane

Hi Shane, will you please 'hold the fort' as I'm off out for while and may
not be back till late.

I concur with you appraisal, but just a couple of quick observations:-

the A: drive - odd thing is that the WinMe Startup floppy *apparently*
booted OK from the A: - hence my request to test using that disk. Perhaps
Harry could confirm that this floppy works 'every time, without problems'
when he tries to boot from it.

the CD-ROM - precisely!! Again, I asked Harry to test with a Data CD
(implying a computer magazine cover CD). Harry please confirm!

Good luck and I hope you're sorted by the time I get back. (And thanks in
anticipation Shane.)

Mart


"Shane" wrote in message
...
webster72n wrote:
Mart:

Finally made it back.
When following your instructions, WE shows the same original
conditions, i.e. Floppy A asks to "Please insert a disk into drive
A", even with a disk inserted.

I recently had this happen. I ejected the disk and reinserted it and it
wrote okay. I think the problem was it had been sitting around too long,
possibly got dusty, possibly began to be demagnetised. What happens with a
fresh-out-of-the-packet disk?

CD-ROM, with or without a disk inserted, tells me "The disk is not
formatted". Do you want to format it now?" with a "Yes" or "No"
choice. Clicking on yes gives me "This drive cannot be formatted" and
clicking "ok" informs me "The disk in drive F cannot be formatted".
That's it and as it has been from the beginning.

Harry, that just sounds like you still have packet-writing software eg
Adaptec/Roxio EasyCD or Ahead InCD installed.

If you're using CDR discs, do not select "Yes". They are already
formatted, also they are only usable one time and formatting uses them -
thereafter you'd get the message that they cannot be formatted.

If they weren't blank to begin with, you'd get the message that they
cannot be formatted.

So, to begin addressing the problem, do not select "Yes" if asked if you
want to format them!

The next question is *why* are you being asked if you want to format them?

Are you using CDR discs or CD-RW discs? If CD-RW, they should not be
recognised in Win ME without burning software installed, therefore they
should not be recognised. And you should be using pre-recorded data discs
to test with.

I think I'm going to have to read through this thread.

Shane

Mart wrote:
Hi Shane, will you please 'hold the fort' as I'm off out for while
and may not be back till late.

I asked for that, didn't I!


I concur with you appraisal, but just a couple of quick observations:-

the A: drive - odd thing is that the WinMe Startup floppy
*apparently* booted OK from the A: - hence my request to test using
that disk. Perhaps Harry could confirm that this floppy works 'every
time, without problems' when he tries to boot from it.

the CD-ROM - precisely!! Again, I asked Harry to test with a Data
CD (implying a computer magazine cover CD). Harry please confirm!


I think I must have read that post, it sounds familiar.

Good luck and I hope you're sorted by the time I get back. (And
thanks in anticipation Shane.)


Well, I'm still going to have to read through this thread! Good luck to me
too!


Shane

Shane wrote:
Mart wrote:
Hi Shane, will you please 'hold the fort' as I'm off out for while
and may not be back till late.

I asked for that, didn't I!


I concur with you appraisal, but just a couple of quick
observations:- the A: drive - odd thing is that the WinMe Startup
floppy
*apparently* booted OK from the A: - hence my request to test using
that disk. Perhaps Harry could confirm that this floppy works 'every
time, without problems' when he tries to boot from it.

the CD-ROM - precisely!! Again, I asked Harry to test with a Data
CD (implying a computer magazine cover CD). Harry please confirm!


I think I must have read that post, it sounds familiar.

Good luck and I hope you're sorted by the time I get back. (And
thanks in anticipation Shane.)


Well, I'm still going to have to read through this thread! Good luck
to me too!


135 posts.

At least I don't need to count my own.


Shane