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"Mart" wrote in message
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Joan, you don't have to have a sense of humour to visit the WinMe news
groups - but it certainly helps!

Mart

Mart,

About a week and a half ago I e-mailed Harry (responding to his reply to my
congratulating him for having the integrity to post the correction re no. of
'Products Blocked' by Spybot, in Win ME as opposed to XP) and suggested,
when he mentioned his CD-ROM problem, that he test the drive by booting to
DOS and choosing CD-ROM support.

I probably gave him too much additional information. I mean once upon a time
I prided myself on remembering - as it were - where I came from, but it gets
harder. Doesn't it? I think probably to remember how alien most of what we
do is to the average user, you have to deal with them in physical proximity
on a more-or-less daily basis - which I don't. Otherwise the jargon takes
over.

I didn't continue e-mail support as it was just kind of a topic of
conversation. He was asking *here*, and I'm trying to quit. But I've looked
from time-to-time (like when my cat wakes me before 5am and I have to find
something to do!) and it just seems that if Harry started out uncertain or
confused about booting to DOS, he'd be getting more so.

Mart wrote:
Good point, Shane and on reflection, I suspect that you've
highlighted the major 'misunderstanding' that most users had (and
still do) about the difference between WinMe and other Win9x OS's.

Takes an effort to remember what it was like now. I've been using the
mfd4life DOS hack for so long (though most of the time it's uninstalled.
Incidentally, this batch installs it, and a similar one uninstalls it again:

snip

echo off
cls
if exist c:\windows\mfd_mode.dat goto mfd_on
attrib -r -h -s c:\command.com
attrib -r -h -s c:\windows\command.com
attrib -r -h -s c:\windows\command\command.com
attrib -r -h -s c:\windows\system\regenv32.exe
attrib -r -h -s c:\io.sys
attrib -r -h -s c:\msdos.sys
attrib -r -h -s c:\autoexec.bat
attrib -r -h -s c:\config.sys

copy c:\windows\command\autoexec.mfd c:\autoexec.bat
copy c:\windows\command\config.mfd c:\config.sys
copy c:\windows\command\msdos.mfd c:\msdos.sys
copy c:\windows\command\command.mfd c:\command.com
copy c:\windows\command\command.mfd c:\windows\command.com
copy c:\windows\command\command.mfd c:\windows\command\command.com
copy c:\windows\command\io.mfd c:\io.sys
copy c:\windows\command\regenv32.mfd c:\windows\system\regenv32.exe
echo.c:\windows\mfd_mode.dat

del c:\windows\win386.swp nul
if exist c:\windows\win386.swp goto inwin
r2
goto end

:mfd_on
attrib -r -h -s c:\msdos.sys
copy c:\autoexec.bat c:\windows\command\autoexec.mfd
copy c:\config.sys c:\windows\command\config.mfd
copy c:\msdos.sys c:\windows\command\msdos.mfd
goto end

:inwin
C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM\RUNONCE.EXE -q,

:end
cls
exit
cls

/snip

despite Chris Q's reservations, I see no potential problem doing this. If
say Io.sys got corrupted, just boot with the floppy and restore the backups.
A similar batch - WINME.BAT - restores the default files. I also have a
batch that backs up all the configuration files and batches when the Real
Mode autoexec.bat runs, and keeps 7 days worth).

And I certainly take you point regarding the title of the 'WinMe'
Startup floppy disk. But then, where-else (other than Bill Gates'
Windows) would you expect to close something down by pressing the
'Start' button?

:-)


Real Mode - or the lack of it - can be a difficult concept to grasp,
especially when one is so used to the earlier Win9x systems. But I
don't think that is really a good excuse for Harry who - IIRC -
didn't involve himself in computers until the WinMe era. (Apologies
if I'm wrong Harry!)

I think in this sense 'lack of' may be a difficult concept, but believe me,
if you started in the Win ME era, then Real Mode is. It probably comes down
to your background including, but not limited to (now there's a legal
term!), whether you have a propensity for taking things apart to see how
they work!


that was Conan-Doyle's birthday, the 22nd?

I must get myself a life - now, where on the Web should I start
browsing?

vbg


Shane

I think both statements are probably true.


Shane


Noel Paton wrote:
Lunacy is the only requirement! g



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NG's "Mart" wrote in message
...
Joan, you don't have to have a sense of humour to visit the WinMe
news groups - but it certainly helps!

Mart

I prided myself on remembering - as it were - where I came
from, but it gets harder.

Perhaps a visit to www.1901census.nationalarchives.gov.uk/
www.familyrecords.gov.uk/ or even
http://www.1837online.com/Trace2web/...SearchType.jsp might help.
Failing that you could always watch Who Do You Think You Are
(http://www.bbc.co.uk/history/familyh...index_gs.shtml).
--
Mike Maltby



Shane wrote:

Mart,

About a week and a half ago I e-mailed Harry (responding to his reply
to my congratulating him for having the integrity to post the
correction re no. of 'Products Blocked' by Spybot, in Win ME as
opposed to XP) and suggested, when he mentioned his CD-ROM problem,
that he test the drive by booting to DOS and choosing CD-ROM support.

I probably gave him too much additional information. I mean once upon
a time I prided myself on remembering - as it were - where I came
from, but it gets harder. Doesn't it? I think probably to remember
how alien most of what we do is to the average user, you have to deal
with them in physical proximity on a more-or-less daily basis - which
I don't. Otherwise the jargon takes over.

I didn't continue e-mail support as it was just kind of a topic of
conversation. He was asking *here*, and I'm trying to quit. But I've
looked from time-to-time (like when my cat wakes me before 5am and I
have to find something to do!) and it just seems that if Harry
started out uncertain or confused about booting to DOS, he'd be
getting more so.

"Mike M" wrote in message
...
I prided myself on remembering - as it were - where I came
from, but it gets harder.

Perhaps a visit to www.1901census.nationalarchives.gov.uk/
www.familyrecords.gov.uk/ or even

I think I may be glad I refused to fill out most of the last census! vbg
Intrusive barstewards! btw I figured then and still do that on the next one
they'll want DNA samples.

http://www.1837online.com/Trace2web/...SearchType.jsp might help.
Failing that you could always watch Who Do You Think You Are
(http://www.bbc.co.uk/history/familyh...index_gs.shtml).

Haven't seen that yet, Mike, though I nearly saw the Bill Oddie one last
night. Looked like being depressing!

My dad (and his sis) have been researching family history, but all I want to
know is 'where's the money?' g

Shane

My dad (and his sis) have been researching family history, but all I
want to know is 'where's the money?' g

In which case you want to watch the Jeremy Clarkson one as he also wanted
to know where the money went. To be honest the series isn't all that bad
and contains some interesting snippets, for example the one with Moira
Stuart. As for the one with Jeremy Paxman I felt one got to see some of
the real person behind the TV persona and for myself liked little of what
I saw. I felt he isn't a nice person at all.
--
Mike Maltby



Shane wrote:

"Mike M" wrote in message
...
I prided myself on remembering - as it were - where I came
from, but it gets harder.

Perhaps a visit to www.1901census.nationalarchives.gov.uk/
www.familyrecords.gov.uk/ or even

I think I may be glad I refused to fill out most of the last census!
vbg Intrusive barstewards! btw I figured then and still do that on
the next one they'll want DNA samples.

http://www.1837online.com/Trace2web/...SearchType.jsp might
help. Failing that you could always watch Who Do You Think You Are
(http://www.bbc.co.uk/history/familyh...index_gs.shtml).

Haven't seen that yet, Mike, though I nearly saw the Bill Oddie one
last night. Looked like being depressing!

My dad (and his sis) have been researching family history, but all I
want to know is 'where's the money?' g

Mike M wrote:
My dad (and his sis) have been researching family history, but all I
want to know is 'where's the money?' g

In which case you want to watch the Jeremy Clarkson one as he also
wanted to know where the money went. To be honest the series isn't
all that bad and contains some interesting snippets, for example the
one with Moira Stuart. As for the one with Jeremy Paxman I felt one
got to see some of the real person behind the TV persona and for
myself liked little of what I saw. I felt he isn't a nice person at
all.

Interesting! I think ol' Paxo is great interviewing politicians - but on
University Challenge he does come across as a little smug and superior. I
quite enjoy his books though.

My opinion on Clarkson goes up and down. He'll never entirely recover from
making out he was keeping the Lightning on his lawn, as opposed to just
having it as a prop for one tv show. He's wittier than you'd credit from Top
Gear though.

I'll have to look out for th Moira Stewart one.


Shane

Interesting! I think ol' Paxo is great interviewing politicians

There we agree. As for Clarkson, I seem to recall he is to the Kilner's
of Kilner jar fame and the theme of his episode was in checking this out
and discovering where the Kilner money disappeared to. Moira Stuart's was
interesting in so far as her roots included her maternal grandparents
coming to the UK to study Medicine at Edinburgh University in the early
1900s and meeting and marrying and then after practising in the Highlands
returning to the Dominican Republic (or perhaps Trinidad, I don't recall
which as her grandmother came from DR and her grandfather from Trinidad).
Even earlier her great-grandfather had come to the UK to study Law.
--
Mike Maltby



Shane wrote:

Interesting! I think ol' Paxo is great interviewing politicians - but
on University Challenge he does come across as a little smug and
superior. I quite enjoy his books though.

My opinion on Clarkson goes up and down. He'll never entirely recover
from making out he was keeping the Lightning on his lawn, as opposed
to just having it as a prop for one tv show. He's wittier than you'd
credit from Top Gear though.

I'll have to look out for th Moira Stewart one.

Hi guys,

You reminded me that I had a go at the Family Tree thing a few years ago -
1998/9 I think, just before the 1881 census came on-line - using the LDS
'boxed-set' version of some 30 CD's, plus a couple other of their utilities.
Seemed excellent value-for-money (£30 GBP) at the time.

Not touched it for while - must go back and revisit. Now *that's* the sort
of thing I should be doing Shane - back to browsing again, especially since
all these new links are now available. Certainly can be very absorbing,
frustrating and rewarding!

Mart

Mart,

Being the meanie that I am I think I'll be begging to borrow those CDs
sometime. :-)
--
Mike


Mart wrote:

Hi guys,

You reminded me that I had a go at the Family Tree thing a few years
ago - 1998/9 I think, just before the 1881 census came on-line -
using the LDS 'boxed-set' version of some 30 CD's, plus a couple
other of their utilities. Seemed excellent value-for-money (£30 GBP)
at the time.
Not touched it for while - must go back and revisit. Now *that's* the
sort of thing I should be doing Shane - back to browsing again,
especially since all these new links are now available. Certainly can
be very absorbing, frustrating and rewarding!