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Harry - you proved earlier that BOTH the floppy and the CD are reading
properly (at least in DOS)!!!
the floppy also appears to be working OK in Windows, from what I remember of
this incredibly convoluted thread.
Are you saying that the Floppy will not read in Normal Mode, but will read
*the same floppy disk* in Safe Mode?

Boot to Safe Mode
Open Device Manager
ensure that you have it set to 'View Devices by type'
Please list ALL entries under the following branches:-
CDROM
Disk Drives
Floppy disk controllers
Hard Disk Controllers


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"webster72n" wrote in message
...

Oh Marty, you want to know a lot.
Will try my best to accomodate you. First the drive list:
3 1/2 Floppy (A (not reading)*
3 1/2 Floppy (B (Iomega Zip100 & working)*
Local Disk (C (working)*
Local Disk (D (working)*
Local Disk (E (working)*
Compact Disk (F (not reading)*
* = (pers. comments).
I realize the fact, not being able to see the CD-ROM drive in Safe Mode.
What I can do in safe mode is, access my Floppy A drive.
Since I have a DOS installation diskette for my CD-ROM Driver, I would
like
to utilize it, only it tells me, "If you run an MS-DOS program in safe
mode,
you risk corrupting the video display or experiencing anomalties. Do you
want to run the program anyway?"
The choices are "Yes" and "No". What say ye?
Whatever else of what I said you don't understand, please ignore.
By now I seem convinced that both non-reading drives are in need of
replacement. I could be wrong, of course.

Harry.


"Mart" wrote in message
...
Harry, you WILL NOT SEE your CD-ROM in Safe Mode (except in DevMan) as
the
drivers are not loaded. Therefore cannot be accessed (or seen) in Windows
Explorer. See my other reply.

Mart


"webster72n" wrote in message
...
Mart:

In Safe Mode the "Compact Disk (F)" doesn't show as in windows.
In Device Manager the "Teac CD-W58E" is listed also
But it lost its ability to read and that's entirely possible, as
mentioned
before. In that instance a replacement is the only solution.
As far as I am concerned: 'case closed!'

Harry.


"Mart" wrote in message
...
Harry,

I still get the very same error message and
nothing changed from the way it was before.

Please give the EXACT error message - and, under what conditions.

Just to recap :-

When things were normal g what were ALL your 'original' drive
letters,
according to Windows Explorer and what drives did you have connected?
(e.g.
A=FDD, C=HDD0, D=HDD1, E=CD-ROM[reader], F=CD-ROM[burner] etc.,)

Are they ALL still shown in WE now and what are their current drive
letters?

Have you confirmed (and tested) the CD-ROM's in Real Mode DOS?

BTW - can you please try to remember to post in Plain Text in the News
Groups.

Mart


"webster72n" wrote in message
...
Noel:

After making sure all evidence of "Adaptec" is removed, following your
instructions, I still get the very same error message and nothing
changed
from the way it was before.
My only hope is replacement, but will it work?
What is the status on my report?

Harry.

Well, I'm not too impressed with your 'unbeatable' tabs idea. If I want to
switch between web pages (or rather, have multiple pages open and tile or
cascade them etc.), I just open extra copies of IE. Not that I've ever
needed 10 (or even 5) open at once. But I just tried 5 and didn't have a
problem in IE6 - or am I missing something else?

Regarding 'privacy issues', then may be a little more impressed - but as I
use Ad-Aware etc.', am I really disadvantaged that much? Just seems like
something else to go wrong - but perhaps if I did more browsing g

Nah! - I'll take my chances with IE6 and wait for IE7 (and I don't fly
Ryanair either g) The expression "Eye-Candy" springs to mind.

Cynical - Moi??

Mart



"Shane" wrote in message
...
Actually, Figgs - and Mart - Tabbed Browsing is one of the changes in IE7!
Though Firefox still did it better last time I checked. Still, the gap is
closing.

One way perhaps to look at it is like how, with the success of low-cost
airlines, British Airways started one to compete (and, presumably, in an
attempt to drive the competition out of business). But still Easyjet do it
better. No longer so sure about Ryanair, after the Channel 4 documentary!

(If that catches the eye of anyone looking up 'ryanair', consider that
this country's excellent air-safety record makes us more aware of the
possibility of dying on the runway, without ever having taken off! It's
not like planes don't catch fire).

A major issue of IE6, as I see it, is how High Security is not really
'high', and how Privacy tab's Cookie handling favours big companies, eg
advertisers.

A major issue of IE7 is it doesn't install in 9x!

Mart, what you're missing is having privacy issues dealt with by a
highly-competent 'little guy', rather than by a big corporation who, like
the rest of the English-speaking world's big corporations, consider big
business customers to be the only one's who really matter.


Shane

Heather wrote:
One issue.....and I think Tom sorted it out.

No....tabs means you can have 2 or 5 or 10 (or any number) windows
open at once and switch back and forth between them. Can't do that
with IE. Handy for instance when I am researching places to stay on
our holidays....I have several hotels up at the same time and switch
back and forth to compare them.

Got most of the holiday booked btw......heading down to Prince Edward
Island with Elayne cuz she wants to see where her Cumberland ancestors
emigrated to in 1820. She stayed in their house in Scotland last
June......Bowness, Part Deux is this year, lol.

Heather
"Mart" wrote in message
...
Mart doesn't know what he is missing.

Heather, judging by the your ongoing correspondence (elsewhere in
this thread) with Firefox 'issues' then it would seem 'not a lot'. It
appears that I don't browse enough. BTW - Tabs? Are they like
Favorites?

Mart


"Heather" wrote in message
...
Yep.....update them all the time. Removed the Foxytunes one, which
I really don't need and tried it out for a few minutes and FF ran
OK.....perhaps that was the culprit.

Mart doesn't know what he is missing. I find it to be faster than
IE.....or as fast. Plus the tabs can't be beat. And there are
numerous little things that MS would be wise to incorporate in IE.
Love the fact that the URL's disappear after 2 days of not using
them. Silly things like that. 8-)))

Figgs

"Shane" wrote in message
...
Presumably you update your extensions, Figgsy? I certainly don't
get problems with the majority. A few builds back updating FF
caused errors with the Noscript extension, that required
uninstalling then re-installing without that extension, for FF to
run without crashing. Once the new Noscript extension had been
installed it ran well and has done ever since. Ieview has never
caused problems here, but I've never used Foxytunes. Why not
uninstall that and see if it helps? As you know they're dead easy
to reinstall. FF itself hasn't caused a prob here other than the time
it takes to
initially open, which annoys me - but, of course, it's pluses far
outweigh the one con!

Just love hitting Open On Tabs and having an entire folder's worth
of bookmarks open seperately! Mart is doing himself. Reminds me of
all those years I didn't touch Jap bikes, then borrowed a CB900F2!

Shane

Heather wrote:
Hun.....I am not Harry and I don't have a lot of junk on here.
BUT, I
do happen to prefer Firefox over IE and want it back working
properly
again. I run a lean machine......other than a bunch of mp3's,
LOL. I
don't even have enough anti-malware on here according to some of
the
paranoid types I know. But I don't venture to places where it
might
be lurking.....and I don't get malware, period.

I have been using IE6 and it is OK, but there are some things that
Firefox just does better and it is not a virus magnet. Yet.

Kissies from Canada....Heather

"Mart" wrote in message
...
Heather, being a 'simple soul' and unlike Harry, I try to keep to
the
bare minimum 'essentials' on my machines g I don't, and never
have,
used Firefox, I have always used IE which has never given me any
particular hassle.

... Am about to uninstall and reinstall it. Any thoughts?

What about just 'uninstalling' it only. And (re)learn to live
with IE. It's not that bad. Fit for purpose! - a 'new' phrase
going around the UK at present (or not!!)

Bell's, Whistle's, who needs them? Self inflicted misery
perhaps?
Ah! but we're back to Harry's problems again.

Mart


"Heather" wrote in message
...
"TomV" wrote in message
...
I've always been a fan of good mysteries. That must be the
draw.



Perfect lead in......I have a problem with Firefox and have
looked
on the Forum and tried some of the troubleshooting things (safe
mode, etc)....but it keeps hanging on me since that last update
to
5.0.3. Am about to uninstall and reinstall it. Any thoughts?

Would removing my 2 extensions and 4 themes perhaps help?? Just
have IEView and Foxytunes. I would like to get it working
properly
before I set up the router again (groan!!).

Cheers...Heather

Mart wrote:
LOL - But I suppose it does depend upon exactly which facet of
his
'current issues' you wish to forensically debate.

Sherlock Holmes, eat your heart out. g

Mart


"TomV" wrote in message
...
Hi, Mart,

Thanks for the heads up. I recall the partitioning issue
from many months ago. I didn't realize it was that long
ago. It sounded in Harry's response though that he had
entered the
"partition zone" again. If so, it seemed that it might
identify
a potential cause of the current issue. I certainly don't
want
to revisit territory that's already been well charted.

Tom

Mart wrote:
Tom, with respect, this "feature to partition unallocated
space"
is another V E R Y L O N G saga (12-18 months?) filling
many
News Group column inches, for which everyone and his dog has
tried to get Harry to fix. Best left well alone g

.. I suspect you've got quite a mess on your hands
Couldn't possibly comment g

Mart

"Mart" wrote in message
...
Well, I'm not too impressed with your 'unbeatable' tabs idea. If I want to
switch between web pages (or rather, have multiple pages open and tile or
cascade them etc.), I just open extra copies of IE. Not that I've ever
needed 10 (or even 5) open at once.

My record is somewhere around 27, IIRC.... most of them in use

But I just tried 5 and didn't have a
problem in IE6 - or am I missing something else?

Tabbed windows do have their advantages - but I think they've been overhyped


Regarding 'privacy issues', then may be a little more impressed - but as I
use Ad-Aware etc.', am I really disadvantaged that much? Just seems like
something else to go wrong - but perhaps if I did more browsing g

teh privacy/security thing has to be balanced against ease-of-use - if you
want the same functionality out of FF as you get out of IE, then there's not
a lot to choose from, by the time you have all the widget installed and
running... although, granted there are fewer current exploits out there for
FF, it's only a matter of time.....


Nah! - I'll take my chances with IE6 and wait for IE7 (and I don't fly
Ryanair either g) The expression "Eye-Candy" springs to mind.

IE7 is pretty good (includes RSS, etc..)... and Windows Mail (the next
incarnation of OE) has some neat things in it, too - but is not going to be
bundled with IE any more, AIUI.


Cynical - Moi??

Nah - or at least no more than I!



--
Noel Paton (MS-MVP 2002-2006, Windows)

Nil Carborundum Illegitemi
http://www.crashfixpc.com/millsrpch.htm

http://tinyurl.com/6oztj

Please read http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm on how to post messages to NG's

G'morning Harry, g'morning Noel - Jeepers! I think I'll go back to bed!!

Good grief Harry! It's not the 'factual answers' which tell us things, it's
the embroidery that surrounds them which is the most revealing. Hence my
earlier reference to Sherlock Holmes and my allusion to forensic science.

As Noel (and all the rest of us) has confirmed - your CD-ROM doesn't need
changing. Now, as to quite why you want to want to install its DOS (Real
Mode) drivers in Safe Mode (WinMe) Windows escapes me, but I'm sure you must
have a logical reason and explanation.

Remember Harry, you WILL NOT SEE your CD-ROM in Safe Mode (except in DevMan)
as the drivers are not loaded - and WinMe does not use Real Mode DOS.

I await (as I expect do our millions of readers) your response to Noel's
request regarding your floppy drive with baited (or is that bated) breath.

Mart


"Noel Paton" wrote in message
...
Harry - you proved earlier that BOTH the floppy and the CD are reading
properly (at least in DOS)!!!
the floppy also appears to be working OK in Windows, from what I remember
of this incredibly convoluted thread.
Are you saying that the Floppy will not read in Normal Mode, but will read
*the same floppy disk* in Safe Mode?

Boot to Safe Mode
Open Device Manager
ensure that you have it set to 'View Devices by type'
Please list ALL entries under the following branches:-
CDROM
Disk Drives
Floppy disk controllers
Hard Disk Controllers


--
Noel Paton (MS-MVP 2002-2006, Windows)

Nil Carborundum Illegitemi
http://www.crashfixpc.com/millsrpch.htm

http://tinyurl.com/6oztj

Please read http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm on how to post messages to NG's
"webster72n" wrote in message
...

Oh Marty, you want to know a lot.
Will try my best to accomodate you. First the drive list:
3 1/2 Floppy (A (not reading)*
3 1/2 Floppy (B (Iomega Zip100 & working)*
Local Disk (C (working)*
Local Disk (D (working)*
Local Disk (E (working)*
Compact Disk (F (not reading)*
* = (pers. comments).
I realize the fact, not being able to see the CD-ROM drive in Safe Mode.
What I can do in safe mode is, access my Floppy A drive.
Since I have a DOS installation diskette for my CD-ROM Driver, I would
like
to utilize it, only it tells me, "If you run an MS-DOS program in safe
mode,
you risk corrupting the video display or experiencing anomalties. Do you
want to run the program anyway?"
The choices are "Yes" and "No". What say ye?
Whatever else of what I said you don't understand, please ignore.
By now I seem convinced that both non-reading drives are in need of
replacement. I could be wrong, of course.

Harry.


"Mart" wrote in message
...
Harry, you WILL NOT SEE your CD-ROM in Safe Mode (except in DevMan) as
the
drivers are not loaded. Therefore cannot be accessed (or seen) in
Windows
Explorer. See my other reply.

Mart


"webster72n" wrote in message
...
Mart:

In Safe Mode the "Compact Disk (F)" doesn't show as in windows.
In Device Manager the "Teac CD-W58E" is listed also
But it lost its ability to read and that's entirely possible, as
mentioned
before. In that instance a replacement is the only solution.
As far as I am concerned: 'case closed!'

Harry.


"Mart" wrote in message
...
Harry,

I still get the very same error message and
nothing changed from the way it was before.

Please give the EXACT error message - and, under what conditions.

Just to recap :-

When things were normal g what were ALL your 'original' drive
letters,
according to Windows Explorer and what drives did you have connected?
(e.g.
A=FDD, C=HDD0, D=HDD1, E=CD-ROM[reader], F=CD-ROM[burner] etc.,)

Are they ALL still shown in WE now and what are their current drive
letters?

Have you confirmed (and tested) the CD-ROM's in Real Mode DOS?

BTW - can you please try to remember to post in Plain Text in the
News
Groups.

Mart


"webster72n" wrote in message
...
Noel:

After making sure all evidence of "Adaptec" is removed, following
your
instructions, I still get the very same error message and nothing
changed
from the way it was before.
My only hope is replacement, but will it work?
What is the status on my report?

Harry.

I think that's a little misleading, Mart, about Win ME not using Real Mode
DOS. Or likely to generate further confusion. As you know, from the boot
disk it is Real Mode.

btw did you catch Google go Holmesian the other day? Quite good it was (the
logo), I thought they should have kept it.


Shane



Mart wrote:
G'morning Harry, g'morning Noel - Jeepers! I think I'll go back to
bed!!
Good grief Harry! It's not the 'factual answers' which tell us
things, it's the embroidery that surrounds them which is the most
revealing. Hence my earlier reference to Sherlock Holmes and my
allusion to forensic science.
As Noel (and all the rest of us) has confirmed - your CD-ROM doesn't
need changing. Now, as to quite why you want to want to install its
DOS (Real Mode) drivers in Safe Mode (WinMe) Windows escapes me, but
I'm sure you must have a logical reason and explanation.

Remember Harry, you WILL NOT SEE your CD-ROM in Safe Mode (except in
DevMan) as the drivers are not loaded - and WinMe does not use Real
Mode DOS.
I await (as I expect do our millions of readers) your response to
Noel's request regarding your floppy drive with baited (or is that
bated) breath.
Mart


"Noel Paton" wrote in message
...
Harry - you proved earlier that BOTH the floppy and the CD are
reading properly (at least in DOS)!!!
the floppy also appears to be working OK in Windows, from what I
remember of this incredibly convoluted thread.
Are you saying that the Floppy will not read in Normal Mode, but
will read *the same floppy disk* in Safe Mode?

Boot to Safe Mode
Open Device Manager
ensure that you have it set to 'View Devices by type'
Please list ALL entries under the following branches:-
CDROM
Disk Drives
Floppy disk controllers
Hard Disk Controllers


--
Noel Paton (MS-MVP 2002-2006, Windows)

Nil Carborundum Illegitemi
http://www.crashfixpc.com/millsrpch.htm

http://tinyurl.com/6oztj

Please read http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm on how to post messages to
NG's "webster72n" wrote in message
...

Oh Marty, you want to know a lot.
Will try my best to accomodate you. First the drive list:
3 1/2 Floppy (A (not reading)*
3 1/2 Floppy (B (Iomega Zip100 & working)*
Local Disk (C (working)*
Local Disk (D (working)*
Local Disk (E (working)*
Compact Disk (F (not reading)*
* = (pers. comments).
I realize the fact, not being able to see the CD-ROM drive in Safe
Mode. What I can do in safe mode is, access my Floppy A drive.
Since I have a DOS installation diskette for my CD-ROM Driver, I
would like
to utilize it, only it tells me, "If you run an MS-DOS program in
safe mode,
you risk corrupting the video display or experiencing anomalties.
Do you want to run the program anyway?"
The choices are "Yes" and "No". What say ye?
Whatever else of what I said you don't understand, please ignore.
By now I seem convinced that both non-reading drives are in need of
replacement. I could be wrong, of course.

Harry.


"Mart" wrote in message
...
Harry, you WILL NOT SEE your CD-ROM in Safe Mode (except in
DevMan) as the
drivers are not loaded. Therefore cannot be accessed (or seen) in
Windows
Explorer. See my other reply.

Mart


"webster72n" wrote in message
...
Mart:

In Safe Mode the "Compact Disk (F)" doesn't show as in windows.
In Device Manager the "Teac CD-W58E" is listed also
But it lost its ability to read and that's entirely possible, as
mentioned before. In that instance a replacement is the only
solution. As far as I am concerned: 'case closed!'

Harry.


"Mart" wrote in message
...
Harry,

I still get the very same error message and
nothing changed from the way it was before.

Please give the EXACT error message - and, under what conditions.

Just to recap :-

When things were normal g what were ALL your 'original' drive
letters, according to Windows Explorer and what drives did you
have connected? (e.g. A=FDD, C=HDD0, D=HDD1, E=CD-ROM[reader],
F=CD-ROM[burner] etc.,) Are they ALL still shown in WE now and what
are their current
drive letters? Have you confirmed (and tested) the CD-ROM's in Real
Mode DOS?

BTW - can you please try to remember to post in Plain Text in the
News
Groups.

Mart


"webster72n" wrote in message
...
Noel:

After making sure all evidence of "Adaptec" is removed, following
your
instructions, I still get the very same error message and
nothing changed from the way it was before.
My only hope is replacement, but will it work?
What is the status on my report?

Harry.

LOL - and cheers Noel,

My record is somewhere around 27, IIRC.... most of them in use

Well that really does arouse and fire-up my interest (not!) g I already
have enough trouble when trying to multitask with two or more items of
anything anyway!

Tabbed windows do have their advantages
- but I think they've been overhyped

Sounds about right.

and Windows Mail (the next incarnation of OE)
... is not going to be bundled with IE any more, AIUI.

and may not be a bad thing? Thanks for the heads-up.

Mart (the Luddite)

snipped

I use both, Mart. Thus I use each for what it's better at, simple as that.
It's a pita to have to keep regaining focus in one window because IE always
gives it to the new one. But like I say, IE7 is going that way.

For quite some time I've been checking multiple AV and Anti-Spyware sites
for updates, for updating my DOS scanner cds. If I do it every day it really
does get to be a pita having to open each individually, and as I say regain
focus if, say, one site takes longer to load and does while I'm halfway
through trying to update from a different one and suddenly that's the active
window!

In Firefox, at the bottom of any bookmarks folder is a button 'Open In
Tabs'. Hit that and all sites in that folder open in their own tabbed
window, and the first remains first. You can do this in a folder containing
20 bookmarks, 30 bookmarks, I don't know what the limit is. It works well
and is far, far better than IE for this. My point there would be that maybe
you don't want this facility, but it is certainly not eye candy if you
regularly want the same multiple sites open.

Noel points out the potential for increased security issues, presumably as
FF takeup grows. I agree. This is something I have always pointed out
myself, when FF zealots make claims such as it is secure, but for me to
bring it up here would have been irrelevent. Still I imagine it will always
be more secure than IE, because MS - the eye candy kings, let's face it - is
only interested in security when it threatens to hit sales. As it is,
Firefox is generally more precisely configurable than IE in Security and
Privacy terms.

Best way to get the dope on Privacy issues in IE is to read Eric Howes
(IE-Spyad) pages, but it's fairly heavy going on account of there's so much!

Here's something you can do. Not even sure Noel appreciates this! Say you
have 50 *.htm files saved - in my case these will be articles on different
aircraft. You can open Firefox's Bookmarks\Manage Bookmarks, create a new
folder and drag those files into it and now you have a great no. of
shortcuts to files on your own hd. Go back later, open FF, go into Bookmarks
and with one button (Open In Tabs, of course!) you can reopen,
simultaneously, every one of those *.htm files. Dead useful if you want to
check each one without forgetting which you have. Also, say you're looking
for an article that's difficult to find with a search, as the string you'd
use is in many other files. This way you can rapidly view each file with a
minimum of movement and clicking. Then when you find the file you want, you
can close all tabs other than the one you're looking at, with two clicks.

Again, that may not be of use to even the majority of people, but it's
bloody useful nonetheless for the rest of us!

Another thing that annoys me (don't suppose Laura's looking vbg) are web
sites with the r-click function disabled! I mean, I don't entirely disable
scripting in IE, I just disable it everywhere but in the Trusted Zone. In
Firefox you can partially disable it, thus go to a site you trust and allow
scripting but not for disabling the r-click function, resizing windows etc.
iow, go to a site in IE that you want to, say, View Source in and as soon as
you r-click get a box saying 'Function Disabled', all you need do is copy
the url and paste it into Firefox.

As for Ryanair, who I've used many times, every single time getting to S.
France cheaper than I can now get to London by train, I've always got the
seat I wanted (exit seat with father along, windows seat about 10ft behind
the wing any other time), they've served either Johnny Walker Red or Jack
Daniels, have never had a fatality, do not use the old 737 200 or 300 series
that account for virtually every 737 crash and, last time I went with them
the 737-800 was brand new!

Mind the only time I've gone EasyJet - who've also never had a fatality - it
was a brand new Airbus A319. Do love brand new aircraft!

The first time I went Ryanair, you could make the seat move, ie it didn't
appear securely bolted to the floor...

And as for BA, I invite the world to read about the no. of times Concorde
got a punctured fuel tank before they actually did something about it. Not
all of the incidents involved fuel tanks, but a helluva lot did!

http://aviation-safety.net/database/dblist.php?Type=081

I had a very nice Smoked Salmon and Watercress roll on British Midland in
the mid-90's, but best I ever flew was BCal. Remember Caledonian Girls
anyone? ;-)




Shane

Mart wrote:
Well, I'm not too impressed with your 'unbeatable' tabs idea. If I
want to switch between web pages (or rather, have multiple pages open
and tile or cascade them etc.), I just open extra copies of IE. Not
that I've ever needed 10 (or even 5) open at once. But I just tried 5
and didn't have a problem in IE6 - or am I missing something else?

Regarding 'privacy issues', then may be a little more impressed - but
as I use Ad-Aware etc.', am I really disadvantaged that much? Just
seems like something else to go wrong - but perhaps if I did more
browsing g
Nah! - I'll take my chances with IE6 and wait for IE7 (and I don't
fly Ryanair either g) The expression "Eye-Candy" springs to mind.

Cynical - Moi??

Mart



"Shane" wrote in message
...
Actually, Figgs - and Mart - Tabbed Browsing is one of the changes
in IE7! Though Firefox still did it better last time I checked.
Still, the gap is closing.

One way perhaps to look at it is like how, with the success of
low-cost airlines, British Airways started one to compete (and,
presumably, in an attempt to drive the competition out of business).
But still Easyjet do it better. No longer so sure about Ryanair,
after the Channel 4 documentary! (If that catches the eye of anyone
looking up 'ryanair', consider
that this country's excellent air-safety record makes us more aware
of the possibility of dying on the runway, without ever having taken
off! It's not like planes don't catch fire).

A major issue of IE6, as I see it, is how High Security is not really
'high', and how Privacy tab's Cookie handling favours big companies,
eg advertisers.

A major issue of IE7 is it doesn't install in 9x!

Mart, what you're missing is having privacy issues dealt with by a
highly-competent 'little guy', rather than by a big corporation who,
like the rest of the English-speaking world's big corporations,
consider big business customers to be the only one's who really
matter. Shane

Heather wrote:
One issue.....and I think Tom sorted it out.

No....tabs means you can have 2 or 5 or 10 (or any number) windows
open at once and switch back and forth between them. Can't do that
with IE. Handy for instance when I am researching places to stay on
our holidays....I have several hotels up at the same time and switch
back and forth to compare them.

Got most of the holiday booked btw......heading down to Prince
Edward Island with Elayne cuz she wants to see where her Cumberland
ancestors emigrated to in 1820. She stayed in their house in
Scotland last June......Bowness, Part Deux is this year, lol.

Heather
"Mart" wrote in message
...
Mart doesn't know what he is missing.

Heather, judging by the your ongoing correspondence (elsewhere in
this thread) with Firefox 'issues' then it would seem 'not a lot'.
It appears that I don't browse enough. BTW - Tabs? Are they like
Favorites?

Mart


"Heather" wrote in message
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Yep.....update them all the time. Removed the Foxytunes one,
which I really don't need and tried it out for a few minutes and
FF ran OK.....perhaps that was the culprit.

Mart doesn't know what he is missing. I find it to be faster than
IE.....or as fast. Plus the tabs can't be beat. And there are
numerous little things that MS would be wise to incorporate in IE.
Love the fact that the URL's disappear after 2 days of not using
them. Silly things like that. 8-)))

Figgs

"Shane" wrote in message
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Presumably you update your extensions, Figgsy? I certainly don't
get problems with the majority. A few builds back updating FF
caused errors with the Noscript extension, that required
uninstalling then re-installing without that extension, for FF to
run without crashing. Once the new Noscript extension had been
installed it ran well and has done ever since. Ieview has never
caused problems here, but I've never used Foxytunes. Why not
uninstall that and see if it helps? As you know they're dead easy
to reinstall. FF itself hasn't caused a prob here other than the
time it takes to
initially open, which annoys me - but, of course, it's pluses far
outweigh the one con!

Just love hitting Open On Tabs and having an entire folder's
worth of bookmarks open seperately! Mart is doing himself.
Reminds me of all those years I didn't touch Jap bikes, then
borrowed a CB900F2! Shane

Heather wrote:
Hun.....I am not Harry and I don't have a lot of junk on here.
BUT, I
do happen to prefer Firefox over IE and want it back working
properly
again. I run a lean machine......other than a bunch of mp3's,
LOL. I
don't even have enough anti-malware on here according to some of
the
paranoid types I know. But I don't venture to places where it
might
be lurking.....and I don't get malware, period.

I have been using IE6 and it is OK, but there are some things
that Firefox just does better and it is not a virus magnet. Yet.
Kissies from Canada....Heather

"Mart" wrote in message
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Heather, being a 'simple soul' and unlike Harry, I try to keep
to the
bare minimum 'essentials' on my machines g I don't, and never
have,
used Firefox, I have always used IE which has never given me
any particular hassle.

... Am about to uninstall and reinstall it. Any thoughts?

What about just 'uninstalling' it only. And (re)learn to live
with IE. It's not that bad. Fit for purpose! - a 'new' phrase
going around the UK at present (or not!!)

Bell's, Whistle's, who needs them? Self inflicted misery
perhaps?
Ah! but we're back to Harry's problems again.

Mart


"Heather" wrote in message
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"TomV" wrote in message
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I've always been a fan of good mysteries. That must be the
draw.



Perfect lead in......I have a problem with Firefox and have
looked
on the Forum and tried some of the troubleshooting things
(safe mode, etc)....but it keeps hanging on me since that
last update to
5.0.3. Am about to uninstall and reinstall it. Any thoughts?

Would removing my 2 extensions and 4 themes perhaps help?? Just
have IEView and Foxytunes. I would like to get it
working properly
before I set up the router again (groan!!).

Cheers...Heather

Mart wrote:
LOL - But I suppose it does depend upon exactly which facet
of his
'current issues' you wish to forensically debate.

Sherlock Holmes, eat your heart out. g

Mart


"TomV" wrote in message
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Hi, Mart,

Thanks for the heads up. I recall the partitioning issue
from many months ago. I didn't realize it was that long
ago. It sounded in Harry's response though that he had
entered the
"partition zone" again. If so, it seemed that it might
identify
a potential cause of the current issue. I certainly don't
want
to revisit territory that's already been well charted.

Tom

Mart wrote:
Tom, with respect, this "feature to partition unallocated
space"
is another V E R Y L O N G saga (12-18 months?) filling
many
News Group column inches, for which everyone and his dog
has tried to get Harry to fix. Best left well alone g

.. I suspect you've got quite a mess on your hands
Couldn't possibly comment g

Mart

Tabbed windows do have their advantages
- but I think they've been overhyped

Sounds about right.



The two of you must read a lot of ****e if you hear of things like 'tabbed
browsing' being hyped, let alone 'over'!

and Windows Mail (the next incarnation of OE)
... is not going to be bundled with IE any more, AIUI.

and may not be a bad thing? Thanks for the heads-up.

Mart (the Luddite)

Well, I was, Mart. That's exactly why I didn't get a computer until
late-2000! And I'd still like to uninvent the things.

Shane

Thanks for your most helpful and interesting response Shane. Quite amusing
too. And, I agree, 'Tabs' certainly fits your needs.

However, for the moment at least, I'm going to do a "Harry" and will
investigate further 'when I have time'

Harry - Ooops.. Mart

My Gxd - I even sound like him - its catching!!

snipped

There, just wanted to see if that would get through! vbg

Wonder if it'll stay!


Shane


Shane wrote:
Tabbed windows do have their advantages
- but I think they've been overhyped

Sounds about right.



The two of you must read a lot of ****e if you hear of things like
'tabbed browsing' being hyped, let alone 'over'!

and Windows Mail (the next incarnation of OE)
... is not going to be bundled with IE any more, AIUI.

and may not be a bad thing? Thanks for the heads-up.

Mart (the Luddite)

Well, I was, Mart. That's exactly why I didn't get a computer until
late-2000! And I'd still like to uninvent the things.

Shane