What's the deal with MS05-002 (KB891711.EXE) and Windows 98?

I didn't mean that to sound as harsh as it looks. I fully understand why
people can't or don't want to repro the issue and/or waste more time on
the problem, particularly those who aren't familiar with the joys of
deliberately hacking their own systems, eg. Only, it would certainly
help if those who have experienced the problem could give more feedback
to the people who are now in charge of fixing it. Particularly those
folks who are especially computer savvy.

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS MVP Shell/User
http://www.grystmill.com/articles/cleanboot.htm
http://www.grystmill.com/articles/security.htm

"glee" wrote in message
...
Unfortunately, the machines I saw the problems on were at work, the
update was
removed right away, and I can't put it back on to test, as it is a
work computer and
I cannot "test" on those.

I have not been able to repro the problem on another machine
yet....maybe this
weekend I can try on some old machines here at home.
--
Glen Ventura, MS MVP Shell/User, A+
http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm

"Gary S. Terhune" wrote in message
...
Just read the Win98.Gen_Discussion group, or the WindowsME.General
group, and you'll see several examples of KB891711 causing BSODs.
Believe me, there *is* a problem, and MS *is* working on a solution.
The
biggest problem we have, now, is most people who are having trouble
with
KB891711 don't seem to be willing to perform some rather simple
tests
and return the results.

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS MVP Shell/User
http://www.grystmill.com/articles/cleanboot.htm
http://www.grystmill.com/articles/security.htm

"SFB - KB3MM" wrote in message
...
Well, we live in an era of 'instant PC Experts'

the typical'my brother in law-sez, ......., and the secretary at
work.....

roof is needed not rumors.

I've had the update for 4 days and nothing has raised an ugly head
yet.

"Dan" wrote in message
...
It is just what people are saying. I don't have any proof.

"SFB - KB3MM" wrote in message
...
: Any particular boards?
:
: Is this well founded and some one has absolute proof, or just
some
one
: saying it must be ...?
:
: "Dan" wrote in message
: ...
: Read the discussion boards and you will see that it is
causing
havoc
with
: some user's machines and associated software and/or
hardware.
For
some
of
: the users baddies are definately involved but definately not
with all
the
: users.
:
: "SFB - KB3MM" wrote in message
: ...
: : Whata's the downside of this update?
: :
: : "Ivan Bútora" wrote in message
: : ...
: : Dan, please. ANY update is optional. It is up to me if I
want to
: install
: : it on my machine or not. Yes, I think it's good to install
these
updates
: in
: : general, and I have installed all of them except KB891711.
But
on
the
: other
: : hand, there are upsides and downsides. In the case of
KB891711, the
: : inconvenience and trouble that is likely to be caused by
this
patch
is
: far
: : greater than the risk of a hacker exploiting your machine.
Keep in
mind
: that
: : there have been several updates this year considered
"important" for
: Windows
: : 98 that have not been released publicly. As Gary Terhune
pointed
out,
: the
: : difference between "important" and "critical" is actually
not
so
: significant
: : in terms of the security threat. So yeah, your machine
probably *is*
: : vulnerable to something. But that's life, you can't be
100%
secure
all
: the
: : time. I don't see the point in making such a big fuss
about
not
having
: this
: : one patch installed.
: :
: : And FYI, since September 2004, my computer has been
running
WITHOUT
: : anti-virus protection, anti-spyware, etc. So yesterday I
decided I
would
: run
: : a SpyBot check just for the hell of it, and guess what -
nothing
found
: other
: : than a couple of IE cookies. My point: The most important
thing is
being
: : aware of what you're doing with your computer and on the
Internet.
: :
: : Frankly, I don't know what your letter to Bill Gates
was,
but what
I
: do
: : know is that MS should be ashamed for releasing a patch in
this
manner,
: : without informing the users of the potential caveats, and
apparently
: without
: : testing in dial-up systems, etc.
: :
: :
: :
: : "Dan" wrote in message
: : ...
: : According to PC Today, April issue it is a critical
update
that
has
: as
: : of now
: : not been exploited by hackers. Guys and Gals you need
this
critical
: : update
: : because I am guessing within 3 weeks someone will find
a
way to
: : compromise
: : all 98SE and associated 9x machines that need the
patch
and have
not
: : been
: : updated. My best guess is that the time for the
hackers
will be
a
: : maximum of
: : 3 weeks and it may be even faster so if your machine
is
connected
to
: the
: : Internet do whatever it takes to keep "KB891711.EXE"
running
because
: I
: : am
: : sure down the line Microsoft will be able to do a
better
fix but
: this
: is
: : a
: : temporary solution, hopefully to allow users to be
safe
while
: on-line.
: : If
: : programs are not responding then discover why. People
you
need
this
: : CRITICAL
: : PATCH and it is not optional. If Windows will not run
with the
: patch
: : because
: : of BSOD then disconnect from the Internet -- remove
Ethernet
cable,
: USB
: : cable
: : or phone cable until the problem is resolved because
if
you do
not
: do
: : this
: : and have exited this CRITICAL PATCH then you are just
asking for
: your
: : system
: : to be hacked and no it will not be by me or my friends
although
I
: know
: a
: : lot
: : about security on computers and weak access points and
could
: probably
: do
: : it
: : without too much trouble if I wanted to but my heart
is
with
keeping
: the
: : U.S.A and its Allies and businesses and finally
consumers
to try
and
: get
: : one
: : small leg up on the PEOPLE who hack machines for a
hobby,
the
: : terriorists and
: : finally the script kiddies. Let me know how I and
others
can
help
: you
: : with
: : your computer problems. Have a nice day!
: :
: : "98 Guy" wrote in message
: ...
: : :
: : : If you don't know what I'm talking about, look he
: : :
: : :
http://www.microsoft.com/technet/sec.../MS05-002.mspx
: : :
: : : If you're running Win 98, and have recently (within
the
past
week)
: : : gone to Windows Updates and updated your computer,
you
almost
: : : certainly now have the file "KB891711.EXE" running
in
the
: background.
: : : It is set to run automatically at startup. First
time
any
such
: update
: : : or security patch has been configured to operate
(instead of
: simply
: : : replacing an existing file).
: : :
: : : Even though Micro$loth sez that MS05-002
(KB891711.EXE)
is
: critical
: : : for Win-98, I've read where some (many) people are
simply
: deactivating
: : : it (via msconfig).
: : :
: : : Does anyone really know the truth regarding Win-98
and
: KB891711.EXE?
: : :
: : : Is there anything special about it (like running it
in
safe
mode
: to
: : : properly install it) ?
: : :
: : : Is it really needed? (for win-98) ?
: : :
: : : Is Win-98 really vulnerable to MS05-002 ???
: :
: :
: :
:
:
:

I'm computer savvy enough to know I'm done with those updates. (YMMV).
I've learned my lessons the hard way. That's my story, and I'm stickin to
it - well, at least for the most part, anyway!

Gary S. Terhune wrote:
I didn't mean that to sound as harsh as it looks. I fully understand why
people can't or don't want to repro the issue and/or waste more time on
the problem, particularly those who aren't familiar with the joys of
deliberately hacking their own systems, eg. Only, it would certainly
help if those who have experienced the problem could give more feedback
to the people who are now in charge of fixing it. Particularly those
folks who are especially computer savvy.

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS MVP Shell/User
http://www.grystmill.com/articles/cleanboot.htm
http://www.grystmill.com/articles/security.htm

"glee" wrote in message
...
Unfortunately, the machines I saw the problems on were at work, the
update
was removed right away, and I can't put it back on to test, as it is a
work
computer and I cannot "test" on those.

I have not been able to repro the problem on another machine yet....maybe
this weekend I can try on some old machines here at home.
--
Glen Ventura, MS MVP Shell/User, A+
http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm

"Gary S. Terhune" wrote in message
...
Just read the Win98.Gen_Discussion group, or the WindowsME.General
group, and you'll see several examples of KB891711 causing BSODs.
Believe me, there *is* a problem, and MS *is* working on a solution. The
biggest problem we have, now, is most people who are having trouble with
KB891711 don't seem to be willing to perform some rather simple tests
and return the results.

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS MVP Shell/User
http://www.grystmill.com/articles/cleanboot.htm
http://www.grystmill.com/articles/security.htm

"SFB - KB3MM" wrote in message
...
Well, we live in an era of 'instant PC Experts'

the typical'my brother in law-sez, ......., and the secretary at
work.....

roof is needed not rumors.

I've had the update for 4 days and nothing has raised an ugly head yet.

"Dan" wrote in message
...
It is just what people are saying. I don't have any proof.

"SFB - KB3MM" wrote in message
...
Any particular boards?

Is this well founded and some one has absolute proof, or just some
one
saying it must be ...?

"Dan" wrote in message
...
Read the discussion boards and you will see that it is
causing
havoc
with
some user's machines and associated software and/or
hardware.
For
some
of
the users baddies are definately involved but definately not with
all
the users.

"SFB - KB3MM" wrote in message
...
Whata's the downside of this update?

"Ivan Bútora" wrote in message
...
Dan, please. ANY update is optional. It is up to me if I
want to
install
it on my machine or not. Yes, I think it's good to install
these
updates
in
general, and I have installed all of them except KB891711.
But
on
the
other
hand, there are upsides and downsides. In the case of KB891711, the
inconvenience and trouble that is likely to be caused by
this
patch
is
far
greater than the risk of a hacker exploiting your machine.
Keep in
mind
that
there have been several updates this year considered "important"
for
Windows 98 that have not been released publicly. As Gary Terhune
pointed
out,
the
difference between "important" and "critical" is actually
not
so
significant
in terms of the security threat. So yeah, your machine probably
*is*
vulnerable to something. But that's life, you can't be
100%
secure
all
the
time. I don't see the point in making such a big fuss
about
not
having
this
one patch installed.

And FYI, since September 2004, my computer has been
running
WITHOUT
anti-virus protection, anti-spyware, etc. So yesterday I
decided I
would
run
a SpyBot check just for the hell of it, and guess what -
nothing
found
other
than a couple of IE cookies. My point: The most important thing is
being aware of what you're doing with your computer and on the
Internet.

Frankly, I don't know what your letter to Bill Gates
was,
but what
I
do
know is that MS should be ashamed for releasing a patch in this
manner,
without informing the users of the potential caveats, and
apparently
without testing in dial-up systems, etc.



"Dan" wrote in message
...
According to PC Today, April issue it is a critical
update
that
has
as
of now
not been exploited by hackers. Guys and Gals you need
this
critical
update
because I am guessing within 3 weeks someone will find
a
way to
compromise
all 98SE and associated 9x machines that need the
patch
and have
not
been
updated. My best guess is that the time for the
hackers
will be
a
maximum of
3 weeks and it may be even faster so if your machine
is
connected
to
the
Internet do whatever it takes to keep "KB891711.EXE"
running
because
I
am
sure down the line Microsoft will be able to do a
better
fix but
this
is
a
temporary solution, hopefully to allow users to be
safe
while
on-line.
If
programs are not responding then discover why. People
you
need
this
CRITICAL
PATCH and it is not optional. If Windows will not run
with the
patch
because
of BSOD then disconnect from the Internet -- remove
Ethernet
cable,
USB
cable
or phone cable until the problem is resolved because
if
you do
not
do
this
and have exited this CRITICAL PATCH then you are just
asking for
your
system
to be hacked and no it will not be by me or my friends
although
I
know
a
lot
about security on computers and weak access points and
could
probably
do
it
without too much trouble if I wanted to but my heart
is
with
keeping
the
U.S.A and its Allies and businesses and finally
consumers
to try
and
get
one
small leg up on the PEOPLE who hack machines for a
hobby,
the
terriorists and
finally the script kiddies. Let me know how I and
others
can
help
you
with
your computer problems. Have a nice day!

"98 Guy" wrote in message
...

If you don't know what I'm talking about, look he


http://www.microsoft.com/technet/sec.../MS05-002.mspx

If you're running Win 98, and have recently (within
the
past
week)
gone to Windows Updates and updated your computer, you almost
certainly now have the file "KB891711.EXE" running
in
the
background.
It is set to run automatically at startup. First
time
any
such
update
or security patch has been configured to operate (instead of
simply
replacing an existing file).

Even though Micro$loth sez that MS05-002
(KB891711.EXE)
is
critical
for Win-98, I've read where some (many) people are simply
deactivating it (via msconfig).

Does anyone really know the truth regarding Win-98 and
KB891711.EXE?

Is there anything special about it (like running it
in
safe
mode
to
properly install it) ?

Is it really needed? (for win-98) ?

Is Win-98 really vulnerable to MS05-002 ???

So, your purpose in participating in this thread is......?

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS MVP Shell/User
http://www.grystmill.com/articles/cleanboot.htm
http://www.grystmill.com/articles/security.htm

"Bill in Co." wrote in message
...
I'm computer savvy enough to know I'm done with those updates.
(YMMV).
I've learned my lessons the hard way. That's my story, and I'm
stickin to
it - well, at least for the most part, anyway!

Gary S. Terhune wrote:
I didn't mean that to sound as harsh as it looks. I fully understand
why
people can't or don't want to repro the issue and/or waste more time
on
the problem, particularly those who aren't familiar with the joys of
deliberately hacking their own systems, eg. Only, it would
certainly
help if those who have experienced the problem could give more
feedback
to the people who are now in charge of fixing it. Particularly those
folks who are especially computer savvy.

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS MVP Shell/User
http://www.grystmill.com/articles/cleanboot.htm
http://www.grystmill.com/articles/security.htm

"glee" wrote in message
...
Unfortunately, the machines I saw the problems on were at work, the
update
was removed right away, and I can't put it back on to test, as it
is a
work
computer and I cannot "test" on those.

I have not been able to repro the problem on another machine
yet....maybe
this weekend I can try on some old machines here at home.
--
Glen Ventura, MS MVP Shell/User, A+
http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm

"Gary S. Terhune" wrote in message
...
Just read the Win98.Gen_Discussion group, or the WindowsME.General
group, and you'll see several examples of KB891711 causing BSODs.
Believe me, there *is* a problem, and MS *is* working on a
solution. The
biggest problem we have, now, is most people who are having
trouble with
KB891711 don't seem to be willing to perform some rather simple
tests
and return the results.

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS MVP Shell/User
http://www.grystmill.com/articles/cleanboot.htm
http://www.grystmill.com/articles/security.htm

"SFB - KB3MM" wrote in message
...
Well, we live in an era of 'instant PC Experts'

the typical'my brother in law-sez, ......., and the secretary at
work.....

roof is needed not rumors.

I've had the update for 4 days and nothing has raised an ugly
head yet.

"Dan" wrote in message
...
It is just what people are saying. I don't have any proof.

"SFB - KB3MM" wrote in message
...
Any particular boards?

Is this well founded and some one has absolute proof, or just
some
one
saying it must be ...?

"Dan" wrote in message
...
Read the discussion boards and you will see that it is
causing
havoc
with
some user's machines and associated software and/or
hardware.
For
some
of
the users baddies are definately involved but definately not
with
all
the users.

"SFB - KB3MM" wrote in message
...
Whata's the downside of this update?

"Ivan Bútora" wrote in message
...
Dan, please. ANY update is optional. It is up to me if I
want to
install
it on my machine or not. Yes, I think it's good to install
these
updates
in
general, and I have installed all of them except KB891711.
But
on
the
other
hand, there are upsides and downsides. In the case of
KB891711, the
inconvenience and trouble that is likely to be caused by
this
patch
is
far
greater than the risk of a hacker exploiting your machine.
Keep in
mind
that
there have been several updates this year considered
"important"
for
Windows 98 that have not been released publicly. As Gary
Terhune
pointed
out,
the
difference between "important" and "critical" is actually
not
so
significant
in terms of the security threat. So yeah, your machine
probably
*is*
vulnerable to something. But that's life, you can't be
100%
secure
all
the
time. I don't see the point in making such a big fuss
about
not
having
this
one patch installed.

And FYI, since September 2004, my computer has been
running
WITHOUT
anti-virus protection, anti-spyware, etc. So yesterday I
decided I
would
run
a SpyBot check just for the hell of it, and guess what -
nothing
found
other
than a couple of IE cookies. My point: The most important
thing is
being aware of what you're doing with your computer and on
the
Internet.

Frankly, I don't know what your letter to Bill Gates
was,
but what
I
do
know is that MS should be ashamed for releasing a patch in
this
manner,
without informing the users of the potential caveats, and
apparently
without testing in dial-up systems, etc.



"Dan" wrote in message
...
According to PC Today, April issue it is a critical
update
that
has
as
of now
not been exploited by hackers. Guys and Gals you need
this
critical
update
because I am guessing within 3 weeks someone will find
a
way to
compromise
all 98SE and associated 9x machines that need the
patch
and have
not
been
updated. My best guess is that the time for the
hackers
will be
a
maximum of
3 weeks and it may be even faster so if your machine
is
connected
to
the
Internet do whatever it takes to keep "KB891711.EXE"
running
because
I
am
sure down the line Microsoft will be able to do a
better
fix but
this
is
a
temporary solution, hopefully to allow users to be
safe
while
on-line.
If
programs are not responding then discover why. People
you
need
this
CRITICAL
PATCH and it is not optional. If Windows will not run
with the
patch
because
of BSOD then disconnect from the Internet -- remove
Ethernet
cable,
USB
cable
or phone cable until the problem is resolved because
if
you do
not
do
this
and have exited this CRITICAL PATCH then you are just
asking for
your
system
to be hacked and no it will not be by me or my friends
although
I
know
a
lot
about security on computers and weak access points and
could
probably
do
it
without too much trouble if I wanted to but my heart
is
with
keeping
the
U.S.A and its Allies and businesses and finally
consumers
to try
and
get
one
small leg up on the PEOPLE who hack machines for a
hobby,
the
terriorists and
finally the script kiddies. Let me know how I and
others
can
help
you
with
your computer problems. Have a nice day!

"98 Guy" wrote in message
...

If you don't know what I'm talking about, look he


http://www.microsoft.com/technet/sec.../MS05-002.mspx

If you're running Win 98, and have recently (within
the
past
week)
gone to Windows Updates and updated your computer, you
almost
certainly now have the file "KB891711.EXE" running
in
the
background.
It is set to run automatically at startup. First
time
any
such
update
or security patch has been configured to operate (instead
of
simply
replacing an existing file).

Even though Micro$loth sez that MS05-002
(KB891711.EXE)
is
critical
for Win-98, I've read where some (many) people are simply
deactivating it (via msconfig).

Does anyone really know the truth regarding Win-98 and
KB891711.EXE?

Is there anything special about it (like running it
in
safe
mode
to
properly install it) ?

Is it really needed? (for win-98) ?

Is Win-98 really vulnerable to MS05-002 ???

To warn people of the possible pitfalls of just blinding subscribing to the
"I need to get an update!" mantra.

Gary S. Terhune wrote:
So, your purpose in participating in this thread is......?

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS MVP Shell/User
http://www.grystmill.com/articles/cleanboot.htm
http://www.grystmill.com/articles/security.htm

"Bill in Co." wrote in message
...
I'm computer savvy enough to know I'm done with those updates. (YMMV).
I've learned my lessons the hard way. That's my story, and I'm stickin
to
it - well, at least for the most part, anyway!

Gary S. Terhune wrote:
I didn't mean that to sound as harsh as it looks. I fully understand why
people can't or don't want to repro the issue and/or waste more time on
the problem, particularly those who aren't familiar with the joys of
deliberately hacking their own systems, eg. Only, it would certainly
help if those who have experienced the problem could give more feedback
to the people who are now in charge of fixing it. Particularly those
folks who are especially computer savvy.

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS MVP Shell/User
http://www.grystmill.com/articles/cleanboot.htm
http://www.grystmill.com/articles/security.htm

"glee" wrote in message
...
Unfortunately, the machines I saw the problems on were at work, the
update
was removed right away, and I can't put it back on to test, as it is a
work
computer and I cannot "test" on those.

I have not been able to repro the problem on another machine
yet....maybe
this weekend I can try on some old machines here at home.
--
Glen Ventura, MS MVP Shell/User, A+
http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm

"Gary S. Terhune" wrote in message
...
Just read the Win98.Gen_Discussion group, or the WindowsME.General
group, and you'll see several examples of KB891711 causing BSODs.
Believe me, there *is* a problem, and MS *is* working on a solution.
The
biggest problem we have, now, is most people who are having trouble
with
KB891711 don't seem to be willing to perform some rather simple tests
and return the results.

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS MVP Shell/User
http://www.grystmill.com/articles/cleanboot.htm
http://www.grystmill.com/articles/security.htm

snipped for some brevity

On Thu, 24 Mar 2005 21:50:26 -0700, "Bill in Co."

I can tell you this much, everything is working over here, including the
troubleshooters!

Well, except for that stupid file copy/delete problem in copying a large
number of files in Windows Explorer (with IE 6 and Win98SE) - but that's
been fixed by swapping those two DLL files.

More on that, please? Which two .DLL files?



---------- ----- ---- --- -- - - - -
Gone to bloggery: http://cquirke.blogspot.com
---------- ----- ---- --- -- - - - -

On Fri, 25 Mar 2005 00:05:40 -0500, "PCR" wrote:

Also, I'm sure, some of the security "flaws" MS are always fixing
don't need a virus to cause harm, but just a malicious WEB site.

Read between the lines - for "web site", usually that means HTML, and
that can include unsolicited email "message text".



---------- ----- ---- --- -- - - - -
Gone to bloggery: http://cquirke.blogspot.com
---------- ----- ---- --- -- - - - -

Much as I hate to come to his defense, I suspect, if Terhune were
blindly doing anything, he'd 'a' fallen into an earthquake by now!


--
Thanks or Good Luck,
There may be humor in this post, and,
Naturally, you will not sue,
should things get worse after this,
PCR

"Bill in Co." wrote in message
...
| To warn people of the possible pitfalls of just blinding subscribing
to the
| "I need to get an update!" mantra.
|
| Gary S. Terhune wrote:
| So, your purpose in participating in this thread is......?
|
| --
| Gary S. Terhune
| MS MVP Shell/User
| http://www.grystmill.com/articles/cleanboot.htm
| http://www.grystmill.com/articles/security.htm
|
| "Bill in Co." wrote in message
| ...
| I'm computer savvy enough to know I'm done with those updates.
(YMMV).
| I've learned my lessons the hard way. That's my story, and I'm
stickin
| to
| it - well, at least for the most part, anyway!
|
| Gary S. Terhune wrote:
| I didn't mean that to sound as harsh as it looks. I fully
understand why
| people can't or don't want to repro the issue and/or waste more
time on
| the problem, particularly those who aren't familiar with the joys
of
| deliberately hacking their own systems, eg. Only, it would
certainly
| help if those who have experienced the problem could give more
feedback
| to the people who are now in charge of fixing it. Particularly
those
| folks who are especially computer savvy.
|
| --
| Gary S. Terhune
| MS MVP Shell/User
| http://www.grystmill.com/articles/cleanboot.htm
| http://www.grystmill.com/articles/security.htm
|
| "glee" wrote in message
| ...
| Unfortunately, the machines I saw the problems on were at work,
the
| update
| was removed right away, and I can't put it back on to test, as it
is a
| work
| computer and I cannot "test" on those.
|
| I have not been able to repro the problem on another machine
| yet....maybe
| this weekend I can try on some old machines here at home.
| --
| Glen Ventura, MS MVP Shell/User, A+
| http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
|
| "Gary S. Terhune" wrote in message
| ...
| Just read the Win98.Gen_Discussion group, or the
WindowsME.General
| group, and you'll see several examples of KB891711 causing
BSODs.
| Believe me, there *is* a problem, and MS *is* working on a
solution.
| The
| biggest problem we have, now, is most people who are having
trouble
| with
| KB891711 don't seem to be willing to perform some rather simple
tests
| and return the results.
|
| --
| Gary S. Terhune
| MS MVP Shell/User
| http://www.grystmill.com/articles/cleanboot.htm
| http://www.grystmill.com/articles/security.htm
|
| snipped for some brevity
|
|

cquirke (MVP Windows shell/user) wrote:
On Thu, 24 Mar 2005 21:50:26 -0700, "Bill in Co."

I can tell you this much, everything is working over here, including the
troubleshooters!

Well, except for that stupid file copy/delete problem in copying a large
number of files in Windows Explorer (with IE 6 and Win98SE) - but that's
been fixed by swapping those two DLL files.

More on that, please? Which two .DLL files?

browseui.dll
browselc.dll

If you swap these two with the older IE 5.5 versions, that problem goes
away. But be sure to put the newer IE6 ones in \program files\intenet
explorer

You'll (obviously) have to do some of this in DOS, since the files are used
by windows.

Here is the reference article:
http://www.frankprovo.com/win98ie6filesproblem.htm


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I didn't say it with disrespect, but just as a cautionary measure. And I
think we are all entitled to have our own opinions.

I don't think there is one "right" answer for everyone in all situations -
that's all.

PCR wrote:
Much as I hate to come to his defense, I suspect, if Terhune were
blindly doing anything, he'd 'a' fallen into an earthquake by now!

--
Thanks or Good Luck,
There may be humor in this post, and,
Naturally, you will not sue,
should things get worse after this,
PCR

"Bill in Co." wrote in message
...
To warn people of the possible pitfalls of just blinding subscribing to
the
"I need to get an update!" mantra.

Gary S. Terhune wrote:
So, your purpose in participating in this thread is......?

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS MVP Shell/User
http://www.grystmill.com/articles/cleanboot.htm
http://www.grystmill.com/articles/security.htm

"Bill in Co." wrote in message
...
I'm computer savvy enough to know I'm done with those updates. (YMMV).
I've learned my lessons the hard way. That's my story, and I'm
stickin
to it - well, at least for the most part, anyway!

Gary S. Terhune wrote:
I didn't mean that to sound as harsh as it looks. I fully understand
why
people can't or don't want to repro the issue and/or waste more time
on
the problem, particularly those who aren't familiar with the joys of
deliberately hacking their own systems, eg. Only, it would certainly
help if those who have experienced the problem could give more
feedback
to the people who are now in charge of fixing it. Particularly those
folks who are especially computer savvy.

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS MVP Shell/User
http://www.grystmill.com/articles/cleanboot.htm
http://www.grystmill.com/articles/security.htm

"glee" wrote in message
...
Unfortunately, the machines I saw the problems on were at work, the
update was removed right away, and I can't put it back on to test, as
it
is a work computer and I cannot "test" on those.

I have not been able to repro the problem on another machine
yet....maybe
this weekend I can try on some old machines here at home.
--
Glen Ventura, MS MVP Shell/User, A+
http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm

"Gary S. Terhune" wrote in message
...
Just read the Win98.Gen_Discussion group, or the WindowsME.General
group, and you'll see several examples of KB891711 causing BSODs.
Believe me, there *is* a problem, and MS *is* working on a solution.
The
biggest problem we have, now, is most people who are having trouble
with
KB891711 don't seem to be willing to perform some rather simple
tests
and return the results.

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS MVP Shell/User
http://www.grystmill.com/articles/cleanboot.htm
http://www.grystmill.com/articles/security.htm

snipped for some brevity

On Fri, 25 Mar 2005 00:42:47 -0500, "PCR" wrote:

I would go for my full system backup in that circumstance. Although I've
created a ton of partitions now, still I'm not that complex to restore.
Good for you, though, to beat them in hand to hand combat, Colorado.

(referring to "difficult" malware)

At a basic theory level, the concept of "backup" is inherently broken:
- retain all wanted changes
- lose all unwanted changes

On what magical basis is "backup" supposed to separate these, before
you know what these unwanted changes are?

The answer is, dividing content by scope, so as to include all wanted
changes and exclude all unwanted changes. The classic scope is that
universal X-axis; time. You make your full system backup before
unwanted changes occur, and before you create further wanted changes.

Then when you have a problem, you restore that backup, losing no
wanted changes but losing all unwanted changes.

That's how I use SR (System Restore) when I'm about to do something I
know is risky, such as upgrade a Windows subsystem like DirectX when I
don't trust it will have a clean and effective uninstaller.

But it is the nature of malware to confound time-scoped backups. The
malware typically arrives without drawing attention to itself, is
incorporated into your full system backups, and only later (after
creating many wanted changes) do you realize you have a problem.

How does your "full system backup" magically fix that?



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