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problem running IE 5 on Win98 ??
On May 15, 10:47*pm, "Bill in Co"
wrote: Robert Macy wrote: On May 15, 9:28 pm, "Bill in Co" wrote: Robert Macy wrote: weird problem with IE 5 running on Win98: one folder has 2,221 emails, during transfer [copy] to a local folder, error occurred, tried again, got double copies, and worse, can't now get rid of those 'extra' copies. don't delete, don't move (get an error message), can't even delete one at a time, nothing happens ?! any ideas as to how to purge the contents and refill with 'proper' emails? can't delete folder ...has subfolders plus won't delete anyway The basic solution, I think, lies in you're ultimately being able to delete that folder and it's subfolders. Maybe it's locked. I dont think I've come across a folder yet that I can't ultimately delete one way or the other, but it just may take some doing and tricks of the trade, that's all. Saying it "won't delete" ... is a bit of "insufficient data". So - work on the folder's attributes to make sure it's not hidden, and/or read only, or whatever. OR you can do this task in DOS, using deltree, but just be careful with that command. The folder contains 2,221 emails many with large attachments and contains four subfolders with 100 to 600 emails each. When originally moving the contents from the IMAP server to the local folders for saving, an error occurred somewhere in the middle and closed the application. *Didn't need to but rebooted, and reopen and try again, caused the same problem at some arbitrary same email. This repeat action caused double listings of all the emails up to that email. *I went to the server and deleted that single email. *Created a new local folder called FOLDER02 and copied 2,220 emails with no problem. *So task is done, I now have archive storage of everything for when the ISP ceases. BUT..because of FOLDER01 having duplicates and only partial total, I have over 250MB of c*** that will not move, nor delete. *I then tried going to the 'end' of the list in FOLDER01 and started deleting one email at a time. which worked well until I hit a certain one and then no more would delete. Thus, I am again stuck with a stubborn folder. I tried looking for where these were stored and found something called FOLDER01.dbx Would deleting that work? what if the application is counting on the file being there, when it's not, hangs up and I lose all? Where do I look for read only type information? Regards, Robert I'm not familiar with IMAP so I can't help you there. *ALL of my emails are stored locally on my hard drive in one folder. "Folders.dbx" is the master file which contains the structure and hierarchy of all the OE subfolders. * And normally there is only ONE folders.dbx! Normally, if you delete "folders.dbx", and then reopen OE, it will be rebuilt from the other dbx files, in the corresponding OE directory. * But in your case I'm not sure whether or not to recommend it, as it's getting me a bit confused. *:-) Ultimately you only want ONE folders.dbx and one OE directory for the email and newsgroups, of course, and I'm not sure how to straighten your situation out (without taking some chances). * (Backups of the OE related stuff would be a good idea at this point) To check any folder's attributes, you can right click on them in windows explorer, and then select Properties, and see it.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Thanks to everyone for their excellent suggestions and comments. I think I found the problem...OE5 cannot/didnot delete a large folder, because it stores it in the 'deleted folder' and there was too muchdata! Solution, well a bit of a solution, was to empty delete folder, close application, reboot, ...then empty a chunk of the offending folder, empty the delete folder, and then close app and reboot. Only took six cycles of that to completely empty FOLDER01. One side note, even thought these were totally local folders and local operations, OE5 would NOT let me touch anything unless I was online and logged into the ISP that will soon be disappearing! The implications of that are horrific. Even though I have stored all the emails in local folders, when I can no longer log onto the ISP; I can't do anything with the contents of those local folders! Another fine example of logic from MS. I'm hoping, I can slowly delete all the files and folders of the ISP and then delete the IMAP links and still be able to open the emails as local folders and manipulate around the local folders, but MS OE5 may not allow that. Anybody know how to broach this next step of isolating my local folders and emails from requiring the log in to a soon to extinct ISP? |
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Robert Macy wrote:
Solution, well a bit of a solution, was to empty delete folder, close application, reboot, ...then empty a chunk of the offending folder, empty the delete folder, and then close app and reboot. Only took six cycles of that to completely empty FOLDER01. One side note, even thought these were totally local folders and local operations, OE5 would NOT let me touch anything unless I was online and logged into the ISP that will soon be disappearing! The implications of that are horrific. Even though I have stored all the emails in local folders, when I can no longer log onto the ISP; I can't do anything with the contents of those local folders! Another fine example of logic from MS. Nothing is either horrific or illogical. If they are on your machine they are completely independent of both ISP and being online; neither is necessary. You can do anything you want with the mail messages...save them as files outside of OE's dbx files, delete them, read them, reply to them...anything. One thing you might want to do is compact them via OE; that or save them in a non-dbx folder and zip the folder; once saved in non-dbx folder - zipped or not - you can delete the originals that are still in OE's dbx. If not zipped, clicking on one will open it with OE; ditto if zipped though you might have to extract it first. -- dadiOH ____________________________ dadiOH's dandies v3.06... ....a help file of info about MP3s, recording from LP/cassette and tips & tricks on this and that. Get it at http://mysite.verizon.net/xico |
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problem running IE 5 on Win98 ??
Robert Macy wrote in
oups.com: Anybody know how to broach this next step of isolating my local folders and emails from requiring the log in to a soon to extinct ISP? No, but this might be a good time to mention what I thought after reading you direct reply to me, as well as *many* other times when reading other people's IE and/or webmail server horror stories. One should NOT keep ANY of their mail on ANY machine except their own and their own backups - preferably two if the stuff is really important. I do not have ANYTHING on the 3 different servers of any of my 4 email accounts, so when anything happens (and it always CAN, I remember a REAL horror story from a few years ago), I am safe. I DL, process, archive, backup and delete everything on the mail servers. And my email isn't even that important. It's the principle: Trust no one. |
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problem running IE 5 on Win98 ??
On May 16, 6:10*pm, thanatoid wrote:
Robert Macy wrote oups.com: Anybody know how to broach this next step of isolating my local folders and emails from requiring the log in to a soon to extinct ISP? No, but this might be a good time to mention what I thought after reading you direct reply to me, as well as *many* other times when reading other people's IE and/or webmail server horror stories. One should NOT keep ANY of their mail on ANY machine except their own and their own backups - preferably two if the stuff is really important. I do not have ANYTHING on the 3 different servers of any of my 4 email accounts, so when anything happens (and it always CAN, I remember a REAL horror story from a few years ago), I am safe. I DL, process, archive, backup and delete everything on the mail servers. And my email isn't even that important. It's the principle: Trust no one. Yes, great idea, but... I need to have access from 5 different machines to the same emails. So if I download to mine, there are four machines that can no longer see them. Plus, being on dial up, I hate to take the time to download those peasky, and numerous, 20-100MB attachments I get. My last horror story was to save my emails on my own machine and then OE changed a version and incompatibility insued. Adding insult to injury was that most of these emails were 500B to 3kB at most, and MS took a huge quantity of memory to store simple little emails, and always, always took miniutes to retrieve find etc. I think the best way is to simply throw away emails and be done with it. |
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On May 16, 8:20*am, "dadiOH" wrote:
Robert Macy wrote: Solution, well a bit of a solution, was to empty delete folder, close application, reboot, ...then empty a chunk of the offending folder, empty the delete folder, and then close app and reboot. *Only took six cycles of that to completely empty FOLDER01. *One side note, even thought these were totally local folders and local operations, OE5 would NOT let me touch anything unless I was online and logged into the ISP that will soon be disappearing! The implications of that are horrific. *Even though I have stored all the emails in local folders, when I can no longer log onto the ISP; I can't do anything with the contents of those local folders! *Another fine example of logic from MS. Nothing is either horrific or illogical. *If they are on your machine they are completely independent of both ISP and being online; neither is necessary. *You can do anything you want with the mail messages...save them as files outside of OE's dbx files, delete them, read them, reply to them...anything. One thing you might want to do is compact them via OE; that or save them in a non-dbx folder and zip the folder; once saved in non-dbx folder - zipped or not - you can delete the originals that are still in OE's dbx. *If not zipped, clicking on one will open it with OE; ditto if zipped though you might have to extract it first. -- dadiOH ____________________________ dadiOH's dandies v3.06... ...a help file of info about MP3s, recording from LP/cassette and tips & tricks on this and that. Get it athttp://mysite.verizon.net/xico Interesting. However, I could NOT move, nor delete any thing in the local folders, unless I was online with the ISP. OE5 wouldn't let me touch anything. If not saved as .dbx just for OE5; what format aill the emails be saved in? |
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Lostgallifreyan wrote in
: snip nPOP would let you save just the headers if you want, A better way of phrasing it is to say nPop (and some other programs) have a setting for DL'g just a specific amount of lines, like 50 or 100, which will usually give you all the headers and enough of an idea of the content to know if you want the rest or not, in which case you just delete it off the server. It is also excellent protection (although not infallible, nothing is) against spam and malware. also, to check either those, or the entire message when checking for mail. Maybe the bigger systems will also do this, but if an email client is giving you that much hassle, it sounds to me you're about ready to try somethign as simple and immediate to use as a telephone. nPOP os one of the few that pass muster. Very rarely (emphasis: VERY) I sometimes log in to the ISP's web mail to make sure I haven't missed something or failed to see some weird format as I ought to see it, but this is rare. If the incoming mail is all HTML (annoying to me) I show headers, coselect all, paste the lot in a text edit save as fcvgbnhm.htm and load it in a browser. And it's STILL easier than anything else I have tried. I am ashamed to admit this, but I just /recently/ discovered that "delete attach" in the nPop mailview/edit menu deletes all the html garbage, and selected attachments, if any. I used to do it manually in Edxor. Sigh. |
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Robert Macy wrote in
ups.com: On May 16, 6:10*pm, thanatoid wrote: snip I do not have ANYTHING on the 3 different servers of any of my 4 email accounts, so when anything happens (and it always CAN, I remember a REAL horror story from a few years ago), I am safe. I DL, process, archive, backup and delete everything on the mail servers. And my email isn't even that important. It's the principle: Trust no one. Yes, great idea, but... I need to have access from 5 different machines to the same emails. So if I download to mine, there are four machines that can no longer see them. Unless you have a badly set up mail client or it is simply a piece of garbage, nothing gets deleted until YOU delete it (leaving the reliability of the email servers and personnel aside). I obviously don't know your exact setup - it may be just you and 5 machines in 5 locations, or it could be a 5-person business. I also know the minute someone mentions more than one person involved, it (usually) means blind slavery to the very latest version ("Well, it HAS to be the best!!!") of MS Office and IE/OE because at least one of the people involved, usually the one who makes the decisions, are clueless. Still, just for the sake of the discussion, you could establish basic rules about DL'g email and a time window before it gets deleted. If the machines are not networked, whatever their physical locations are, you could even set one up as a private email server - even with dial-up access only - or set up a Usenet group or free www site (encrypted in both cases) to keep the said emails on and regularly back everything up to one of the 5 computers. Plus, being on dial up, I hate to take the time to download those peasky, pesky and numerous, 20-100MB attachments I get. So what do you do, just ignore them? You HAVE to download them if you want to see/read/whatever with them, and if you were connected as suggested (in an admittedly somewhat wild flight of fancy) in the previous paragraph, you would only have to do it once. And if you own 5 machines, whether by yourself, or being a member of a small business, why can't you afford BB? In some cases there is virtually no difference between a land line rental with dial-up and 1-3 MB/sec ADSL (which also does not force you to either get a 2nd land line OR pay for cellphone calls all the time). I got BB when it got cheaper than 2 phone lines and dial-up - I really did not need it, but while I have been called a reverse hardware snob and a luddite (and I probably am, and consider it an honorable thing, after reading the etymology of the /word/ and looking at the state of the /world/), even I like to get the photos of a friend's vacation in 10 seconds instead of 3 minutes. (Apparently, NO ONE I know is capable of doing basic image resizing, since people keep on sending me 3,500 x 5,000 pixel fuzzy crap no matter how much I complain. And NO ONE can understand that written stuff is best sent as a 15KB TXT attachment rather than half a megabyte Word document, let alone to someone who does NOT have Word.) My last horror story was to save my emails on my own machine and then OE changed a version and incompatibility insued. That's why MS software is to be avoided (I have NO MS programs on my 3 old computers except the OS's) and that's why all email should have remained TXT and attachments. Adding insult to injury was that most of these emails were 500B to 3kB at most, and MS took a huge quantity of memory to store simple little emails AFAIK, just like on your HDs, the LEAST amount of space a single file will use, even if it is only 15 bytes, is 4,096 bytes, and on large server HDs a LOT more. (I /think/ - I don't know anything about Unix or Linux servers, or their file systems.) and always, always took miniutes to retrieve find etc. I think the best way is to simply throw away emails and be done with it. Well, unfortunately, I tend to be a hoarder with everything, even qood quality plastic food containers, so every 2 months I copy my nPop in and save boxes and rar them. Every 12 months I rar the 6 rars into one bigger rar. I am pretty sure that I have all the email I ever wrote and received on various CDRs somewhere. You never know. |
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thanatoid wrote in
: A better way of phrasing it is to say nPop (and some other programs) have a setting for DL'g just a specific amount of lines, like 50 or 100, which will usually give you all the headers and enough of an idea of the content to know if you want the rest or not, in which case you just delete it off the server. It is also excellent protection (although not infallible, nothing is) against spam and malware. That's true. I never used that method but it will do it. There is a checkbox to allow just the header too, though. |
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thanatoid wrote in
: I am ashamed to admit this, but I just /recently/ discovered that "delete attach" in the nPop mailview/edit menu deletes all the html garbage, and selected attachments, if any. I used to do it manually in Edxor. Sigh. Better late than... I think I discovered it by accident, having deleted something I couldn't get back because it wasn't on the server. If an attachment something small and important like the BIOS that Rudolph Loew patched for the Via ITX mainboards I use, I keep it when I archive mails so I have a bit of extra security against loss. |
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