Defrag problems

Aster wrote:
I tried to defrag HD from MS DOS, I restarted PC into a MS-DOS
prompt, typed

defrag c: /f /sd- /skiphigh

but got message saying that "this program requires microsoft
windows"..

So defrag utility does not work from DOS. Defragging from Windows
does work, since it constantly restarts and says "drive's content
changed: restarting", then tried defrag from Safe mode (from Run
command prompt) but had the same issue "drive's content changed:
restarting", just less frequently. Finally I tried "Selective
startup" in Msconfig, unchecked all boxes, restarted into Safe mode,
then run command from command prompt. I was able to defrag, but it
took a huge time. And I still I faced the same problem a few times,
"drive's content changed: restarting".
Is there better method or better tool for defragging? The default
windows tool is too ugly.

The following is what I usually post for that problem. It looks like
Blanton came up with something quicker. STILL, I would spend time with
stuff like DiskAction & BHOCop to determine what is constantly writing
to the hard disk -- you may want to stop it permanently!

I must warn that Scandisk may not do a great job when there is a
great one to do...
http://cquirke.mvps.org/9x/scandisk.htm
Therefore, perhaps UNcheck "Automatically fix errors" on it's front
screen. It will then ask whether you want each error fixed. If it sounds
truly horrible, say "No!", and post the log. The log will be
"C:\Scandisk.log". Do not let it constantly restart, either. (When
running Scandisk in DOS, there won't be such a box to uncheck. You must
"Scandisk /Checkonly", instead. It will write to the same .log. The
Auto-Scandisk that runs from DOS after a crash must be set to "Prompt"
the bad ones in C:\Windows\Command\Scandisk.ini.) REALLY, in light of
all THAT, the BEST thing to do is to have a full system backup to run
to! Would you like my list of backup apps?

1. Turn off screen saver.
(R-Clk Desktop, Properties, Screen Saver-- None)
2. Turn off power management.
(Control Panel, Power Management-- Always On,Never,Never,Never)
3. Suspend Task Scheduler using its Advanced menu.
4. Disable any permanent internet cable connection.
5. Turn off interfering programs. Use "StartupCop" or "EndItAll2" from
PCMag (below). Or "START, Run, MSConfig, Startup tab". Note what
is unchecked. Then, go to the General tab & disable the entire
Startup
Group, by clicking "Selective.." & unchecking "Load Startup...".
Reboot.
Don't forget to re-enable before the next boot.
6. Use "HDValet" from PCMag, or
(a) "Control Panel, Internet Options, Delete Files button,
bolt Delete all offline content, OK, OK"
(b) "START, Run, %TEMP%", & delete all files that will let you.
This will likely be "C:\Windows\Temp". This is best done
after a fresh boot, unless you have not seen the message
"Reboot to complete this install".
7. Run Scandisk (Thorough, usually w/o write testing. Check all
three items under "Scandisk, Advanced button, 'Check files for'
box".
If you want to be informed as it does a fix, UNcheck "Automatically
fix errors" on the front screen, or look inside "C:\Scandisk.log"
afterwards.)
8. "START, Run, Defrag /p /details".
Apparently "/p" defrags the unmovables.

The purpose of steps 1-5 is only to prevent constant restarts of
Scandisk & Defrag, if you get them; but DEFINITELY turn off
the Virus Scanner. Scandisk should be done perhaps once a month,
and certainly after every serious crash. Do a Defrag after a sluggish
boot or when this says so:
http://www.pcmag.com/ 's CrackUp by Gregory A. Wolking
& Bob Flanders. Also, take DiskAction to determine what is
constantly writing to the HDD, which causes the restarts. Take
BHOCop & StartupCop by Neil J. Rubenking too.

"DiskAction" by Rick Knoblaugh reports the last 12 processes
that access any partition. It discovered the Microsoft Windows
Critical Update Notification tool was accessing my HDD every
five minutes. It can be uninstalled in "Control Panel, Add/Remove
Programs". Then, occasionally, "START, Windows Update" on your own.

"BHOCop" by Patrick Philippot found a Browser Helper Object
called Wavehelper Class, created by "Wavetop", that was building
a monstrosity of an error log called "Logit.txt" in here. "START, Find,
F/F, Logit.txt"-- see one?

http://support.microsoft.com/default...;EN-US;q287914
Articles about Scandisk
http://support.microsoft.com/default...;en-us;Q286263
Articles about Defrag

--
Thanks or Good Luck,
There may be humor in this post, and,
Naturally, you will not sue,
Should things get worse after this,
PCR

Aster wrote:
I tried to defrag HD from MS DOS, I restarted PC into a MS-DOS
prompt, typed

defrag c: /f /sd- /skiphigh

but got message saying that "this program requires microsoft
windows"..

So defrag utility does not work from DOS. Defragging from Windows
does work, since it constantly restarts and says "drive's content
changed: restarting", then tried defrag from Safe mode (from Run
command prompt) but had the same issue "drive's content changed:
restarting", just less frequently. Finally I tried "Selective
startup" in Msconfig, unchecked all boxes, restarted into Safe mode,
then run command from command prompt. I was able to defrag, but it
took a huge time. And I still I faced the same problem a few times,
"drive's content changed: restarting".
Is there better method or better tool for defragging? The default
windows tool is too ugly.

The following is what I usually post for that problem. It looks like
Blanton came up with something quicker. STILL, I would spend time with
stuff like DiskAction & BHOCop to determine what is constantly writing
to the hard disk -- you may want to stop it permanently!

I must warn that Scandisk may not do a great job when there is a
great one to do...
http://cquirke.mvps.org/9x/scandisk.htm
Therefore, perhaps UNcheck "Automatically fix errors" on it's front
screen. It will then ask whether you want each error fixed. If it sounds
truly horrible, say "No!", and post the log. The log will be
"C:\Scandisk.log". Do not let it constantly restart, either. (When
running Scandisk in DOS, there won't be such a box to uncheck. You must
"Scandisk /Checkonly", instead. It will write to the same .log. The
Auto-Scandisk that runs from DOS after a crash must be set to "Prompt"
the bad ones in C:\Windows\Command\Scandisk.ini.) REALLY, in light of
all THAT, the BEST thing to do is to have a full system backup to run
to! Would you like my list of backup apps?

1. Turn off screen saver.
(R-Clk Desktop, Properties, Screen Saver-- None)
2. Turn off power management.
(Control Panel, Power Management-- Always On,Never,Never,Never)
3. Suspend Task Scheduler using its Advanced menu.
4. Disable any permanent internet cable connection.
5. Turn off interfering programs. Use "StartupCop" or "EndItAll2" from
PCMag (below). Or "START, Run, MSConfig, Startup tab". Note what
is unchecked. Then, go to the General tab & disable the entire
Startup
Group, by clicking "Selective.." & unchecking "Load Startup...".
Reboot.
Don't forget to re-enable before the next boot.
6. Use "HDValet" from PCMag, or
(a) "Control Panel, Internet Options, Delete Files button,
bolt Delete all offline content, OK, OK"
(b) "START, Run, %TEMP%", & delete all files that will let you.
This will likely be "C:\Windows\Temp". This is best done
after a fresh boot, unless you have not seen the message
"Reboot to complete this install".
7. Run Scandisk (Thorough, usually w/o write testing. Check all
three items under "Scandisk, Advanced button, 'Check files for'
box".
If you want to be informed as it does a fix, UNcheck "Automatically
fix errors" on the front screen, or look inside "C:\Scandisk.log"
afterwards.)
8. "START, Run, Defrag /p /details".
Apparently "/p" defrags the unmovables.

The purpose of steps 1-5 is only to prevent constant restarts of
Scandisk & Defrag, if you get them; but DEFINITELY turn off
the Virus Scanner. Scandisk should be done perhaps once a month,
and certainly after every serious crash. Do a Defrag after a sluggish
boot or when this says so:
http://www.pcmag.com/ 's CrackUp by Gregory A. Wolking
& Bob Flanders. Also, take DiskAction to determine what is
constantly writing to the HDD, which causes the restarts. Take
BHOCop & StartupCop by Neil J. Rubenking too.

"DiskAction" by Rick Knoblaugh reports the last 12 processes
that access any partition. It discovered the Microsoft Windows
Critical Update Notification tool was accessing my HDD every
five minutes. It can be uninstalled in "Control Panel, Add/Remove
Programs". Then, occasionally, "START, Windows Update" on your own.

"BHOCop" by Patrick Philippot found a Browser Helper Object
called Wavehelper Class, created by "Wavetop", that was building
a monstrosity of an error log called "Logit.txt" in here. "START, Find,
F/F, Logit.txt"-- see one?

http://support.microsoft.com/default...;EN-US;q287914
Articles about Scandisk
http://support.microsoft.com/default...;en-us;Q286263
Articles about Defrag

--
Thanks or Good Luck,
There may be humor in this post, and,
Naturally, you will not sue,
Should things get worse after this,
PCR

Aster Aster Aster Hmm

That will not FIX BAD Cluster in Sectors

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/218160

Aster Get you a WINDOW 98 with a BAD Cluster and you will see that all you
say will not Work!
If you do not have and running Win98 in time you will have a BAD Cluster
and ask for help your will not Work
and we will help Just remember if you can not Defrag 9 out of 10 it's a BAD
Cluster


"PCR" wrote in message
...
Aster wrote:
I tried to defrag HD from MS DOS, I restarted PC into a MS-DOS
prompt, typed

defrag c: /f /sd- /skiphigh

but got message saying that "this program requires microsoft
windows"..

So defrag utility does not work from DOS. Defragging from Windows
does work, since it constantly restarts and says "drive's content
changed: restarting", then tried defrag from Safe mode (from Run
command prompt) but had the same issue "drive's content changed:
restarting", just less frequently. Finally I tried "Selective
startup" in Msconfig, unchecked all boxes, restarted into Safe mode,
then run command from command prompt. I was able to defrag, but it
took a huge time. And I still I faced the same problem a few times,
"drive's content changed: restarting".
Is there better method or better tool for defragging? The default
windows tool is too ugly.

The following is what I usually post for that problem. It looks like
Blanton came up with something quicker. STILL, I would spend time with
stuff like DiskAction & BHOCop to determine what is constantly writing
to the hard disk -- you may want to stop it permanently!

I must warn that Scandisk may not do a great job when there is a
great one to do...
http://cquirke.mvps.org/9x/scandisk.htm
Therefore, perhaps UNcheck "Automatically fix errors" on it's front
screen. It will then ask whether you want each error fixed. If it sounds
truly horrible, say "No!", and post the log. The log will be
"C:\Scandisk.log". Do not let it constantly restart, either. (When
running Scandisk in DOS, there won't be such a box to uncheck. You must
"Scandisk /Checkonly", instead. It will write to the same .log. The
Auto-Scandisk that runs from DOS after a crash must be set to "Prompt"
the bad ones in C:\Windows\Command\Scandisk.ini.) REALLY, in light of
all THAT, the BEST thing to do is to have a full system backup to run
to! Would you like my list of backup apps?

1. Turn off screen saver.
(R-Clk Desktop, Properties, Screen Saver-- None)
2. Turn off power management.
(Control Panel, Power Management-- Always On,Never,Never,Never)
3. Suspend Task Scheduler using its Advanced menu.
4. Disable any permanent internet cable connection.
5. Turn off interfering programs. Use "StartupCop" or "EndItAll2" from
PCMag (below). Or "START, Run, MSConfig, Startup tab". Note what
is unchecked. Then, go to the General tab & disable the entire
Startup
Group, by clicking "Selective.." & unchecking "Load Startup...".
Reboot.
Don't forget to re-enable before the next boot.
6. Use "HDValet" from PCMag, or
(a) "Control Panel, Internet Options, Delete Files button,
bolt Delete all offline content, OK, OK"
(b) "START, Run, %TEMP%", & delete all files that will let you.
This will likely be "C:\Windows\Temp". This is best done
after a fresh boot, unless you have not seen the message
"Reboot to complete this install".
7. Run Scandisk (Thorough, usually w/o write testing. Check all
three items under "Scandisk, Advanced button, 'Check files for'
box".
If you want to be informed as it does a fix, UNcheck "Automatically
fix errors" on the front screen, or look inside "C:\Scandisk.log"
afterwards.)
8. "START, Run, Defrag /p /details".
Apparently "/p" defrags the unmovables.

The purpose of steps 1-5 is only to prevent constant restarts of
Scandisk & Defrag, if you get them; but DEFINITELY turn off
the Virus Scanner. Scandisk should be done perhaps once a month,
and certainly after every serious crash. Do a Defrag after a sluggish
boot or when this says so:
http://www.pcmag.com/ 's CrackUp by Gregory A. Wolking
& Bob Flanders. Also, take DiskAction to determine what is
constantly writing to the HDD, which causes the restarts. Take
BHOCop & StartupCop by Neil J. Rubenking too.

"DiskAction" by Rick Knoblaugh reports the last 12 processes
that access any partition. It discovered the Microsoft Windows
Critical Update Notification tool was accessing my HDD every
five minutes. It can be uninstalled in "Control Panel, Add/Remove
Programs". Then, occasionally, "START, Windows Update" on your own.

"BHOCop" by Patrick Philippot found a Browser Helper Object
called Wavehelper Class, created by "Wavetop", that was building
a monstrosity of an error log called "Logit.txt" in here. "START, Find,
F/F, Logit.txt"-- see one?

http://support.microsoft.com/default...;EN-US;q287914
Articles about Scandisk
http://support.microsoft.com/default...;en-us;Q286263
Articles about Defrag

--
Thanks or Good Luck,
There may be humor in this post, and,
Naturally, you will not sue,
Should things get worse after this,
PCR

Aster Aster Aster Hmm

That will not FIX BAD Cluster in Sectors

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/218160

Aster Get you a WINDOW 98 with a BAD Cluster and you will see that all you
say will not Work!
If you do not have and running Win98 in time you will have a BAD Cluster
and ask for help your will not Work
and we will help Just remember if you can not Defrag 9 out of 10 it's a BAD
Cluster


"PCR" wrote in message
...
Aster wrote:
I tried to defrag HD from MS DOS, I restarted PC into a MS-DOS
prompt, typed

defrag c: /f /sd- /skiphigh

but got message saying that "this program requires microsoft
windows"..

So defrag utility does not work from DOS. Defragging from Windows
does work, since it constantly restarts and says "drive's content
changed: restarting", then tried defrag from Safe mode (from Run
command prompt) but had the same issue "drive's content changed:
restarting", just less frequently. Finally I tried "Selective
startup" in Msconfig, unchecked all boxes, restarted into Safe mode,
then run command from command prompt. I was able to defrag, but it
took a huge time. And I still I faced the same problem a few times,
"drive's content changed: restarting".
Is there better method or better tool for defragging? The default
windows tool is too ugly.

The following is what I usually post for that problem. It looks like
Blanton came up with something quicker. STILL, I would spend time with
stuff like DiskAction & BHOCop to determine what is constantly writing
to the hard disk -- you may want to stop it permanently!

I must warn that Scandisk may not do a great job when there is a
great one to do...
http://cquirke.mvps.org/9x/scandisk.htm
Therefore, perhaps UNcheck "Automatically fix errors" on it's front
screen. It will then ask whether you want each error fixed. If it sounds
truly horrible, say "No!", and post the log. The log will be
"C:\Scandisk.log". Do not let it constantly restart, either. (When
running Scandisk in DOS, there won't be such a box to uncheck. You must
"Scandisk /Checkonly", instead. It will write to the same .log. The
Auto-Scandisk that runs from DOS after a crash must be set to "Prompt"
the bad ones in C:\Windows\Command\Scandisk.ini.) REALLY, in light of
all THAT, the BEST thing to do is to have a full system backup to run
to! Would you like my list of backup apps?

1. Turn off screen saver.
(R-Clk Desktop, Properties, Screen Saver-- None)
2. Turn off power management.
(Control Panel, Power Management-- Always On,Never,Never,Never)
3. Suspend Task Scheduler using its Advanced menu.
4. Disable any permanent internet cable connection.
5. Turn off interfering programs. Use "StartupCop" or "EndItAll2" from
PCMag (below). Or "START, Run, MSConfig, Startup tab". Note what
is unchecked. Then, go to the General tab & disable the entire
Startup
Group, by clicking "Selective.." & unchecking "Load Startup...".
Reboot.
Don't forget to re-enable before the next boot.
6. Use "HDValet" from PCMag, or
(a) "Control Panel, Internet Options, Delete Files button,
bolt Delete all offline content, OK, OK"
(b) "START, Run, %TEMP%", & delete all files that will let you.
This will likely be "C:\Windows\Temp". This is best done
after a fresh boot, unless you have not seen the message
"Reboot to complete this install".
7. Run Scandisk (Thorough, usually w/o write testing. Check all
three items under "Scandisk, Advanced button, 'Check files for'
box".
If you want to be informed as it does a fix, UNcheck "Automatically
fix errors" on the front screen, or look inside "C:\Scandisk.log"
afterwards.)
8. "START, Run, Defrag /p /details".
Apparently "/p" defrags the unmovables.

The purpose of steps 1-5 is only to prevent constant restarts of
Scandisk & Defrag, if you get them; but DEFINITELY turn off
the Virus Scanner. Scandisk should be done perhaps once a month,
and certainly after every serious crash. Do a Defrag after a sluggish
boot or when this says so:
http://www.pcmag.com/ 's CrackUp by Gregory A. Wolking
& Bob Flanders. Also, take DiskAction to determine what is
constantly writing to the HDD, which causes the restarts. Take
BHOCop & StartupCop by Neil J. Rubenking too.

"DiskAction" by Rick Knoblaugh reports the last 12 processes
that access any partition. It discovered the Microsoft Windows
Critical Update Notification tool was accessing my HDD every
five minutes. It can be uninstalled in "Control Panel, Add/Remove
Programs". Then, occasionally, "START, Windows Update" on your own.

"BHOCop" by Patrick Philippot found a Browser Helper Object
called Wavehelper Class, created by "Wavetop", that was building
a monstrosity of an error log called "Logit.txt" in here. "START, Find,
F/F, Logit.txt"-- see one?

http://support.microsoft.com/default...;EN-US;q287914
Articles about Scandisk
http://support.microsoft.com/default...;en-us;Q286263
Articles about Defrag

--
Thanks or Good Luck,
There may be humor in this post, and,
Naturally, you will not sue,
Should things get worse after this,
PCR

On 01/06/2010 09:46 PM, Hot-text wrote:
Aster Aster Aster Hmm

That will not FIX BAD Cluster in Sectors

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/218160

Aster Get you a WINDOW 98 with a BAD Cluster and you will see that all
you say will not Work!
If you do not have and running Win98 in time you will have a BAD
Cluster and ask for help your will not Work
and we will help Just remember if you can not Defrag 9 out of 10 it's a
BAD Cluster


The apparent issues per the original queries by Aster, we

1. the attempt use DOS which does NOT work [not recommended] since
Win95; AND,

2. that when defrag is run from/in Windows, it did the *normal*
complaining about disk changes [generally: running background/startup
programs; screen saver or power settings; malware programs; limited
memory; disk cache and swap], AND that de-fragmenting took a long time
to complete;

3. *NOT* that it couldn't be de-fragmented.

WE [the normal group members] advised of various techniques and scripts
or applications which help with the issues and the *questions* as
originally placed by Aster.

PCR suggested a few programs [among other things] which can help to
determine WHAT is causing the disk writes and defrag pop-up warnings
concerning disk changes.

The question is WHY you have now chosen to proceed down the path of bad
clusters which would normally cause defrag to *refuse* to run at all
[which is *NOT* what was brought by Aster as questions/queries] stating
*scandisk* must be run first; NOR what normally causes defrag to warn
about disk changes.


"PCR" wrote in message
...
Aster wrote:
I tried to defrag HD from MS DOS, I restarted PC into a MS-DOS
prompt, typed

defrag c: /f /sd- /skiphigh

but got message saying that "this program requires microsoft
windows"..

So defrag utility does not work from DOS. Defragging from Windows
does work, since it constantly restarts and says "drive's content
changed: restarting", then tried defrag from Safe mode (from Run
command prompt) but had the same issue "drive's content changed:
restarting", just less frequently. Finally I tried "Selective
startup" in Msconfig, unchecked all boxes, restarted into Safe mode,
then run command from command prompt. I was able to defrag, but it
took a huge time. And I still I faced the same problem a few times,
"drive's content changed: restarting".
Is there better method or better tool for defragging? The default
windows tool is too ugly.

The following is what I usually post for that problem. It looks like
Blanton came up with something quicker. STILL, I would spend time with
stuff like DiskAction & BHOCop to determine what is constantly writing
to the hard disk -- you may want to stop it permanently!

I must warn that Scandisk may not do a great job when there is a
great one to do...
http://cquirke.mvps.org/9x/scandisk.htm
Therefore, perhaps UNcheck "Automatically fix errors" on it's front
screen. It will then ask whether you want each error fixed. If it sounds
truly horrible, say "No!", and post the log. The log will be
"C:\Scandisk.log". Do not let it constantly restart, either. (When
running Scandisk in DOS, there won't be such a box to uncheck. You must
"Scandisk /Checkonly", instead. It will write to the same .log. The
Auto-Scandisk that runs from DOS after a crash must be set to "Prompt"
the bad ones in C:\Windows\Command\Scandisk.ini.) REALLY, in light of
all THAT, the BEST thing to do is to have a full system backup to run
to! Would you like my list of backup apps?

1. Turn off screen saver.
(R-Clk Desktop, Properties, Screen Saver-- None)
2. Turn off power management.
(Control Panel, Power Management-- Always On,Never,Never,Never)
3. Suspend Task Scheduler using its Advanced menu.
4. Disable any permanent internet cable connection.
5. Turn off interfering programs. Use "StartupCop" or "EndItAll2" from
PCMag (below). Or "START, Run, MSConfig, Startup tab". Note what
is unchecked. Then, go to the General tab & disable the entire
Startup
Group, by clicking "Selective.." & unchecking "Load Startup...".
Reboot.
Don't forget to re-enable before the next boot.
6. Use "HDValet" from PCMag, or
(a) "Control Panel, Internet Options, Delete Files button,
bolt Delete all offline content, OK, OK"
(b) "START, Run, %TEMP%", & delete all files that will let you.
This will likely be "C:\Windows\Temp". This is best done
after a fresh boot, unless you have not seen the message
"Reboot to complete this install".
7. Run Scandisk (Thorough, usually w/o write testing. Check all
three items under "Scandisk, Advanced button, 'Check files for'
box".
If you want to be informed as it does a fix, UNcheck "Automatically
fix errors" on the front screen, or look inside "C:\Scandisk.log"
afterwards.)
8. "START, Run, Defrag /p /details".
Apparently "/p" defrags the unmovables.

The purpose of steps 1-5 is only to prevent constant restarts of
Scandisk & Defrag, if you get them; but DEFINITELY turn off
the Virus Scanner. Scandisk should be done perhaps once a month,
and certainly after every serious crash. Do a Defrag after a sluggish
boot or when this says so:
http://www.pcmag.com/ 's CrackUp by Gregory A. Wolking
& Bob Flanders. Also, take DiskAction to determine what is
constantly writing to the HDD, which causes the restarts. Take
BHOCop & StartupCop by Neil J. Rubenking too.

"DiskAction" by Rick Knoblaugh reports the last 12 processes
that access any partition. It discovered the Microsoft Windows
Critical Update Notification tool was accessing my HDD every
five minutes. It can be uninstalled in "Control Panel, Add/Remove
Programs". Then, occasionally, "START, Windows Update" on your own.

"BHOCop" by Patrick Philippot found a Browser Helper Object
called Wavehelper Class, created by "Wavetop", that was building
a monstrosity of an error log called "Logit.txt" in here. "START, Find,
F/F, Logit.txt"-- see one?

http://support.microsoft.com/default...;EN-US;q287914
Articles about Scandisk
http://support.microsoft.com/default...;en-us;Q286263
Articles about Defrag

--
Thanks or Good Luck,
There may be humor in this post, and,
Naturally, you will not sue,
Should things get worse after this,
PCR




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On 01/06/2010 09:46 PM, Hot-text wrote:
Aster Aster Aster Hmm

That will not FIX BAD Cluster in Sectors

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/218160

Aster Get you a WINDOW 98 with a BAD Cluster and you will see that all
you say will not Work!
If you do not have and running Win98 in time you will have a BAD
Cluster and ask for help your will not Work
and we will help Just remember if you can not Defrag 9 out of 10 it's a
BAD Cluster


The apparent issues per the original queries by Aster, we

1. the attempt use DOS which does NOT work [not recommended] since
Win95; AND,

2. that when defrag is run from/in Windows, it did the *normal*
complaining about disk changes [generally: running background/startup
programs; screen saver or power settings; malware programs; limited
memory; disk cache and swap], AND that de-fragmenting took a long time
to complete;

3. *NOT* that it couldn't be de-fragmented.

WE [the normal group members] advised of various techniques and scripts
or applications which help with the issues and the *questions* as
originally placed by Aster.

PCR suggested a few programs [among other things] which can help to
determine WHAT is causing the disk writes and defrag pop-up warnings
concerning disk changes.

The question is WHY you have now chosen to proceed down the path of bad
clusters which would normally cause defrag to *refuse* to run at all
[which is *NOT* what was brought by Aster as questions/queries] stating
*scandisk* must be run first; NOR what normally causes defrag to warn
about disk changes.


"PCR" wrote in message
...
Aster wrote:
I tried to defrag HD from MS DOS, I restarted PC into a MS-DOS
prompt, typed

defrag c: /f /sd- /skiphigh

but got message saying that "this program requires microsoft
windows"..

So defrag utility does not work from DOS. Defragging from Windows
does work, since it constantly restarts and says "drive's content
changed: restarting", then tried defrag from Safe mode (from Run
command prompt) but had the same issue "drive's content changed:
restarting", just less frequently. Finally I tried "Selective
startup" in Msconfig, unchecked all boxes, restarted into Safe mode,
then run command from command prompt. I was able to defrag, but it
took a huge time. And I still I faced the same problem a few times,
"drive's content changed: restarting".
Is there better method or better tool for defragging? The default
windows tool is too ugly.

The following is what I usually post for that problem. It looks like
Blanton came up with something quicker. STILL, I would spend time with
stuff like DiskAction & BHOCop to determine what is constantly writing
to the hard disk -- you may want to stop it permanently!

I must warn that Scandisk may not do a great job when there is a
great one to do...
http://cquirke.mvps.org/9x/scandisk.htm
Therefore, perhaps UNcheck "Automatically fix errors" on it's front
screen. It will then ask whether you want each error fixed. If it sounds
truly horrible, say "No!", and post the log. The log will be
"C:\Scandisk.log". Do not let it constantly restart, either. (When
running Scandisk in DOS, there won't be such a box to uncheck. You must
"Scandisk /Checkonly", instead. It will write to the same .log. The
Auto-Scandisk that runs from DOS after a crash must be set to "Prompt"
the bad ones in C:\Windows\Command\Scandisk.ini.) REALLY, in light of
all THAT, the BEST thing to do is to have a full system backup to run
to! Would you like my list of backup apps?

1. Turn off screen saver.
(R-Clk Desktop, Properties, Screen Saver-- None)
2. Turn off power management.
(Control Panel, Power Management-- Always On,Never,Never,Never)
3. Suspend Task Scheduler using its Advanced menu.
4. Disable any permanent internet cable connection.
5. Turn off interfering programs. Use "StartupCop" or "EndItAll2" from
PCMag (below). Or "START, Run, MSConfig, Startup tab". Note what
is unchecked. Then, go to the General tab & disable the entire
Startup
Group, by clicking "Selective.." & unchecking "Load Startup...".
Reboot.
Don't forget to re-enable before the next boot.
6. Use "HDValet" from PCMag, or
(a) "Control Panel, Internet Options, Delete Files button,
bolt Delete all offline content, OK, OK"
(b) "START, Run, %TEMP%", & delete all files that will let you.
This will likely be "C:\Windows\Temp". This is best done
after a fresh boot, unless you have not seen the message
"Reboot to complete this install".
7. Run Scandisk (Thorough, usually w/o write testing. Check all
three items under "Scandisk, Advanced button, 'Check files for'
box".
If you want to be informed as it does a fix, UNcheck "Automatically
fix errors" on the front screen, or look inside "C:\Scandisk.log"
afterwards.)
8. "START, Run, Defrag /p /details".
Apparently "/p" defrags the unmovables.

The purpose of steps 1-5 is only to prevent constant restarts of
Scandisk & Defrag, if you get them; but DEFINITELY turn off
the Virus Scanner. Scandisk should be done perhaps once a month,
and certainly after every serious crash. Do a Defrag after a sluggish
boot or when this says so:
http://www.pcmag.com/ 's CrackUp by Gregory A. Wolking
& Bob Flanders. Also, take DiskAction to determine what is
constantly writing to the HDD, which causes the restarts. Take
BHOCop & StartupCop by Neil J. Rubenking too.

"DiskAction" by Rick Knoblaugh reports the last 12 processes
that access any partition. It discovered the Microsoft Windows
Critical Update Notification tool was accessing my HDD every
five minutes. It can be uninstalled in "Control Panel, Add/Remove
Programs". Then, occasionally, "START, Windows Update" on your own.

"BHOCop" by Patrick Philippot found a Browser Helper Object
called Wavehelper Class, created by "Wavetop", that was building
a monstrosity of an error log called "Logit.txt" in here. "START, Find,
F/F, Logit.txt"-- see one?

http://support.microsoft.com/default...;EN-US;q287914
Articles about Scandisk
http://support.microsoft.com/default...;en-us;Q286263
Articles about Defrag

--
Thanks or Good Luck,
There may be humor in this post, and,
Naturally, you will not sue,
Should things get worse after this,
PCR




--
MEB
http://peoplescounsel.org/ref/windows-main.htm
Windows Info, Diagnostics, Security, Networking
http://peoplescounsel.org
The "real world" of Law, Justice, and Government
___---

"MEB" wrote in message
...

The apparent issues per the original queries by Aster, we

1. the attempt use DOS which does NOT work [not recommended] since
Win95; AND,

2. that when defrag is run from/in Windows, it did the *normal*
complaining about disk changes [generally: running background/startup
programs; screen saver or power settings; malware programs; limited
memory; disk cache and swap], AND that de-fragmenting took a long time
to complete;

3. *NOT* that it couldn't be de-fragmented.

WE [the normal group members] advised of various techniques and scripts
or applications which help with the issues and the *questions* as
originally placed by Aster.

PCR suggested a few programs [among other things] which can help to
determine WHAT is causing the disk writes and defrag pop-up warnings
concerning disk changes.

The question is WHY you have now chosen to proceed down the path of bad
clusters which would normally cause defrag to *refuse* to run at all
[which is *NOT* what was brought by Aster as questions/queries] stating
*scandisk* must be run first; NOR what normally causes defrag to warn
about disk changes.

--
MEB
http://peoplescounsel.org/ref/windows-main.htm
Windows Info, Diagnostics, Security, Networking
http://peoplescounsel.org
The "real world" of Law, Justice, and Government
-------------------

Yes, exactly.
I don't see too much sense try to determine what application constantly
writing to the hard disk.
As I told, defragging works and I managed to defrag disk from Safe mode.
Also: does is make sense run Thorough Scandisk test if Standard test is OK?

I just want to clarify few details about ScanDefrag program suggested by
Bill Blanton, will try it.
http://home.earthlink.net/~bblanton2...efrag/main.htm

ScanDefrag can no run Defrag from Safe mode, for a cleaner run environment?
(even if we select 'Restrictive mode')

Aster

"MEB" wrote in message
...

The apparent issues per the original queries by Aster, we

1. the attempt use DOS which does NOT work [not recommended] since
Win95; AND,

2. that when defrag is run from/in Windows, it did the *normal*
complaining about disk changes [generally: running background/startup
programs; screen saver or power settings; malware programs; limited
memory; disk cache and swap], AND that de-fragmenting took a long time
to complete;

3. *NOT* that it couldn't be de-fragmented.

WE [the normal group members] advised of various techniques and scripts
or applications which help with the issues and the *questions* as
originally placed by Aster.

PCR suggested a few programs [among other things] which can help to
determine WHAT is causing the disk writes and defrag pop-up warnings
concerning disk changes.

The question is WHY you have now chosen to proceed down the path of bad
clusters which would normally cause defrag to *refuse* to run at all
[which is *NOT* what was brought by Aster as questions/queries] stating
*scandisk* must be run first; NOR what normally causes defrag to warn
about disk changes.

--
MEB
http://peoplescounsel.org/ref/windows-main.htm
Windows Info, Diagnostics, Security, Networking
http://peoplescounsel.org
The "real world" of Law, Justice, and Government
-------------------

Yes, exactly.
I don't see too much sense try to determine what application constantly
writing to the hard disk.
As I told, defragging works and I managed to defrag disk from Safe mode.
Also: does is make sense run Thorough Scandisk test if Standard test is OK?

I just want to clarify few details about ScanDefrag program suggested by
Bill Blanton, will try it.
http://home.earthlink.net/~bblanton2...efrag/main.htm

ScanDefrag can no run Defrag from Safe mode, for a cleaner run environment?
(even if we select 'Restrictive mode')

Aster

Hot-text wrote:
Aster Aster Aster Hmm

That will not FIX BAD Cluster in Sectors

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/218160

Aster Get you a WINDOW 98 with a BAD Cluster and you will see that
all you say will not Work!
If you do not have and running Win98 in time you will have a BAD
Cluster and ask for help your will not Work
and we will help Just remember if you can not Defrag 9 out of 10
it's a BAD Cluster

I find myself fully in agreement with MEB in this matter! (But that is a
good article you posted.)

"PCR" wrote in message
...
Aster wrote:
I tried to defrag HD from MS DOS, I restarted PC into a MS-DOS
prompt, typed

defrag c: /f /sd- /skiphigh

but got message saying that "this program requires microsoft
windows"..

So defrag utility does not work from DOS. Defragging from Windows
does work, since it constantly restarts and says "drive's content
changed: restarting", then tried defrag from Safe mode (from Run
command prompt) but had the same issue "drive's content changed:
restarting", just less frequently. Finally I tried "Selective
startup" in Msconfig, unchecked all boxes, restarted into Safe mode,
then run command from command prompt. I was able to defrag, but it
took a huge time. And I still I faced the same problem a few times,
"drive's content changed: restarting".
Is there better method or better tool for defragging? The default
windows tool is too ugly.

The following is what I usually post for that problem. It looks like
Blanton came up with something quicker. STILL, I would spend time
with stuff like DiskAction & BHOCop to determine what is constantly
writing to the hard disk -- you may want to stop it permanently!

I must warn that Scandisk may not do a great job when there is a
great one to do...
http://cquirke.mvps.org/9x/scandisk.htm
Therefore, perhaps UNcheck "Automatically fix errors" on it's front
screen. It will then ask whether you want each error fixed. If it
sounds truly horrible, say "No!", and post the log. The log will be
"C:\Scandisk.log". Do not let it constantly restart, either. (When
running Scandisk in DOS, there won't be such a box to uncheck. You
must "Scandisk /Checkonly", instead. It will write to the same .log.
The Auto-Scandisk that runs from DOS after a crash must be set to
"Prompt" the bad ones in C:\Windows\Command\Scandisk.ini.) REALLY,
in light of all THAT, the BEST thing to do is to have a full system
backup to run to! Would you like my list of backup apps?

1. Turn off screen saver.
(R-Clk Desktop, Properties, Screen Saver-- None)
2. Turn off power management.
(Control Panel, Power Management-- Always On,Never,Never,Never)
3. Suspend Task Scheduler using its Advanced menu.
4. Disable any permanent internet cable connection.
5. Turn off interfering programs. Use "StartupCop" or "EndItAll2"
from PCMag (below). Or "START, Run, MSConfig, Startup tab". Note
what is unchecked. Then, go to the General tab & disable the
entire
Startup
Group, by clicking "Selective.." & unchecking "Load Startup...".
Reboot.
Don't forget to re-enable before the next boot.
6. Use "HDValet" from PCMag, or
(a) "Control Panel, Internet Options, Delete Files button,
bolt Delete all offline content, OK, OK"
(b) "START, Run, %TEMP%", & delete all files that will let you.
This will likely be "C:\Windows\Temp". This is best done
after a fresh boot, unless you have not seen the message
"Reboot to complete this install".
7. Run Scandisk (Thorough, usually w/o write testing. Check all
three items under "Scandisk, Advanced button, 'Check files for'
box".
If you want to be informed as it does a fix, UNcheck
"Automatically fix errors" on the front screen, or look inside
"C:\Scandisk.log" afterwards.)
8. "START, Run, Defrag /p /details".
Apparently "/p" defrags the unmovables.

The purpose of steps 1-5 is only to prevent constant restarts of
Scandisk & Defrag, if you get them; but DEFINITELY turn off
the Virus Scanner. Scandisk should be done perhaps once a month,
and certainly after every serious crash. Do a Defrag after a sluggish
boot or when this says so:
http://www.pcmag.com/ 's CrackUp by Gregory A. Wolking
& Bob Flanders. Also, take DiskAction to determine what is
constantly writing to the HDD, which causes the restarts. Take
BHOCop & StartupCop by Neil J. Rubenking too.

"DiskAction" by Rick Knoblaugh reports the last 12 processes
that access any partition. It discovered the Microsoft Windows
Critical Update Notification tool was accessing my HDD every
five minutes. It can be uninstalled in "Control Panel, Add/Remove
Programs". Then, occasionally, "START, Windows Update" on your own.

"BHOCop" by Patrick Philippot found a Browser Helper Object
called Wavehelper Class, created by "Wavetop", that was building
a monstrosity of an error log called "Logit.txt" in here. "START,
Find, F/F, Logit.txt"-- see one?

http://support.microsoft.com/default...;EN-US;q287914
Articles about Scandisk
http://support.microsoft.com/default...;en-us;Q286263
Articles about Defrag

--
Thanks or Good Luck,
There may be humor in this post, and,
Naturally, you will not sue,
Should things get worse after this,
PCR


--
Thanks or Good Luck,
There may be humor in this post, and,
Naturally, you will not sue,
Should things get worse after this,
PCR

Hot-text wrote:
Aster Aster Aster Hmm

That will not FIX BAD Cluster in Sectors

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/218160

Aster Get you a WINDOW 98 with a BAD Cluster and you will see that
all you say will not Work!
If you do not have and running Win98 in time you will have a BAD
Cluster and ask for help your will not Work
and we will help Just remember if you can not Defrag 9 out of 10
it's a BAD Cluster

I find myself fully in agreement with MEB in this matter! (But that is a
good article you posted.)

"PCR" wrote in message
...
Aster wrote:
I tried to defrag HD from MS DOS, I restarted PC into a MS-DOS
prompt, typed

defrag c: /f /sd- /skiphigh

but got message saying that "this program requires microsoft
windows"..

So defrag utility does not work from DOS. Defragging from Windows
does work, since it constantly restarts and says "drive's content
changed: restarting", then tried defrag from Safe mode (from Run
command prompt) but had the same issue "drive's content changed:
restarting", just less frequently. Finally I tried "Selective
startup" in Msconfig, unchecked all boxes, restarted into Safe mode,
then run command from command prompt. I was able to defrag, but it
took a huge time. And I still I faced the same problem a few times,
"drive's content changed: restarting".
Is there better method or better tool for defragging? The default
windows tool is too ugly.

The following is what I usually post for that problem. It looks like
Blanton came up with something quicker. STILL, I would spend time
with stuff like DiskAction & BHOCop to determine what is constantly
writing to the hard disk -- you may want to stop it permanently!

I must warn that Scandisk may not do a great job when there is a
great one to do...
http://cquirke.mvps.org/9x/scandisk.htm
Therefore, perhaps UNcheck "Automatically fix errors" on it's front
screen. It will then ask whether you want each error fixed. If it
sounds truly horrible, say "No!", and post the log. The log will be
"C:\Scandisk.log". Do not let it constantly restart, either. (When
running Scandisk in DOS, there won't be such a box to uncheck. You
must "Scandisk /Checkonly", instead. It will write to the same .log.
The Auto-Scandisk that runs from DOS after a crash must be set to
"Prompt" the bad ones in C:\Windows\Command\Scandisk.ini.) REALLY,
in light of all THAT, the BEST thing to do is to have a full system
backup to run to! Would you like my list of backup apps?

1. Turn off screen saver.
(R-Clk Desktop, Properties, Screen Saver-- None)
2. Turn off power management.
(Control Panel, Power Management-- Always On,Never,Never,Never)
3. Suspend Task Scheduler using its Advanced menu.
4. Disable any permanent internet cable connection.
5. Turn off interfering programs. Use "StartupCop" or "EndItAll2"
from PCMag (below). Or "START, Run, MSConfig, Startup tab". Note
what is unchecked. Then, go to the General tab & disable the
entire
Startup
Group, by clicking "Selective.." & unchecking "Load Startup...".
Reboot.
Don't forget to re-enable before the next boot.
6. Use "HDValet" from PCMag, or
(a) "Control Panel, Internet Options, Delete Files button,
bolt Delete all offline content, OK, OK"
(b) "START, Run, %TEMP%", & delete all files that will let you.
This will likely be "C:\Windows\Temp". This is best done
after a fresh boot, unless you have not seen the message
"Reboot to complete this install".
7. Run Scandisk (Thorough, usually w/o write testing. Check all
three items under "Scandisk, Advanced button, 'Check files for'
box".
If you want to be informed as it does a fix, UNcheck
"Automatically fix errors" on the front screen, or look inside
"C:\Scandisk.log" afterwards.)
8. "START, Run, Defrag /p /details".
Apparently "/p" defrags the unmovables.

The purpose of steps 1-5 is only to prevent constant restarts of
Scandisk & Defrag, if you get them; but DEFINITELY turn off
the Virus Scanner. Scandisk should be done perhaps once a month,
and certainly after every serious crash. Do a Defrag after a sluggish
boot or when this says so:
http://www.pcmag.com/ 's CrackUp by Gregory A. Wolking
& Bob Flanders. Also, take DiskAction to determine what is
constantly writing to the HDD, which causes the restarts. Take
BHOCop & StartupCop by Neil J. Rubenking too.

"DiskAction" by Rick Knoblaugh reports the last 12 processes
that access any partition. It discovered the Microsoft Windows
Critical Update Notification tool was accessing my HDD every
five minutes. It can be uninstalled in "Control Panel, Add/Remove
Programs". Then, occasionally, "START, Windows Update" on your own.

"BHOCop" by Patrick Philippot found a Browser Helper Object
called Wavehelper Class, created by "Wavetop", that was building
a monstrosity of an error log called "Logit.txt" in here. "START,
Find, F/F, Logit.txt"-- see one?

http://support.microsoft.com/default...;EN-US;q287914
Articles about Scandisk
http://support.microsoft.com/default...;en-us;Q286263
Articles about Defrag

--
Thanks or Good Luck,
There may be humor in this post, and,
Naturally, you will not sue,
Should things get worse after this,
PCR


--
Thanks or Good Luck,
There may be humor in this post, and,
Naturally, you will not sue,
Should things get worse after this,
PCR