Defrag problems

OK....if we are going to top-post, then I'll top-post. Jumping all over
when two different posting formats are used is pretty silly.

Yes, you DO have an option to optimize the files in the native Defrag,
it just doesn't use the word "optimize". Let me spell it out for you:

Start Windows 98 Defrag from Start Programs Accessories System Tools.
In the opening box named "Select Drive", click the Settings button on
the lower right.
In the new box that appears, in the upper section headed "When
defragmenting my hard drive," UNCHECK the box for "Rearrange program
files so my programs start faster", and CHECK the box for "Check the
drive for errors".
In the lower section, select the option for "Every time I defragment my
hard drive"
Click OK.
Click OK again to defragment, or Exit to quit.

I suggest you try replacing the Win 98 defrag.exe with the one from Win
ME, as I mentioned, and following that procedure with that version.
If Defrag is restarting in Safe Mode, something is still causing a file
change or file access. Did you disable your screensaver while in normal
mode, before restarting in Safe Mode? Disabling it while already in
Safe Mode usually doesn't work.

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"Aster" wrote in message
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I definitely saw a few restarting issues even in Safe Mode, as well.
PIII866MHz, Ram 512Mb
The files definitely was very fragmented. There are no Optimize files
option
in my version of Defrag.
Will try Norton Speed Disk or tool from Win ME.
Just note: when I just tried run Defrag tool from windows [C
Properties
Defragment now] for a few minutes then cancel: does it done some small
defragmenting, or did not due canceled operation?

Aster



"glee" wrote in message
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"Aster" wrote in message
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I tried to defrag HD from MS DOS, I restarted PC into a MS-DOS
prompt,
typed

defrag c: /f /sd- /skiphigh

but got message saying that "this program requires microsoft
windows"..

So defrag utility does not work from DOS. Defragging from Windows
does
work, since it constantly restarts and says "drive's content
changed:
restarting", then tried defrag from Safe mode (from Run command
prompt) but
had the same issue "drive's content changed: restarting", just less
frequently. Finally I tried "Selective startup" in Msconfig,
unchecked
all
boxes, restarted into Safe mode, then run command from command
prompt.
I was
able to defrag, but it took a huge time. And I still I faced the
same
problem a few times, "drive's content changed: restarting".
Is there better method or better tool for defragging? The default
windows
tool is too ugly.

Those command line switches you posted for Defrag have not been
applicable since Windows 95 (yes, 95) was released, except for the /f
switch. Win9x versions of Defrag ignore them with no error message.
Also as you discovered, Defrag will not run from a DOS boot on a
Win9x
system.

You shouldn't see constant restarting of Defrag from Safe Mode, as
all
background programs are disabled in Safe Mode. If your computer is
old,
and has a small amount of RAM installed, it could be due to swap file
changes to compensate for the low memory. How much memory is
installed
in the computer, and what processor does it have?

Using Selective Startup from msconfig while in Safe Mode is a waste
of
time, as Safe Mode already disables all startups by default.

Defrag will take a very long time if you have not adjusted its
settings
to turn off the option to "optimize files". When you open
Defragmenter,
first click the Settings button, and un-select the option to
re-arrange/optimize files, and save the setting for use every time
you
run Defrag.

Defrag will also take a long time to run if the files are very
fragmented, or if the hard drive is an old and slow drive.

One popular way to get a faster defrag is to replace the Win98
version
of Defrag.exe with one from Windows ME. A number of web pages
discuss
this....here are just two from top Google hits:
http://aroundcny.com/technofile/texts/tec060902.html
http://www.the-old-sea-dog.net/defrag.html

If you want to buy a better defragmenter for Win9x, VOPT 7.22 is
still
available and is quite good:
http://www.vopt.com/nuVoptXP.htm

Also see:
Windows 95 (and 98) Defrag.exe Command-Line Parameters
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/Q155326

Serenity Windows 98 Program's Command Line Parameters and Registry
Settings
http://www.mvps.org/serenitymacros/winprogs.html
(click to expand the Defrag section)


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I think it's a stand-alone file (I don't think it needs any other norton
DLL's) but let me know if it doesn't run by itself.

It's missing NUABOUT.DLL

I think it's a stand-alone file (I don't think it needs any other norton
DLL's) but let me know if it doesn't run by itself.

It's missing NUABOUT.DLL

someone watching wrote:

It's missing NUABOUT.DLL

ok, I've added it to the zip file. Try this:

http://www.fileden.com/files/2008/7/19/2010382/sd32.zip

password = a

rename nuabout.dl_ to nuabout.dll

someone watching wrote:

It's missing NUABOUT.DLL

ok, I've added it to the zip file. Try this:

http://www.fileden.com/files/2008/7/19/2010382/sd32.zip

password = a

rename nuabout.dl_ to nuabout.dll

Buffalo YOU KNOW THE RIGHT WAY IN DOING IT!

#1. Shut down all running programs + ANTIVIRUS
#2. Scandisk before using a Defrag

THIS IS THE WAY TO DO IT IF IT DON'T WORK
YOU HAVE A VIRUS OR SPYWARE RUNNING
Shut down all running programs THAT MEANS
VIRUS OR SPYWARE TOO!



"Buffalo" wrote in message
...


Aster wrote:
Thanks a lot. Does the Norton SpeedDisk run from windows or from Safe
mode?

Aster


Most times it is smart to run the Windows 98 Scandisk before using a
Defrag
program. This can help a defrag program to run better and with fewer
interruptions.


Yes, Norton Speed Disk (from Norton SW2002) runs from Windows and it is
much
faster than either Win98 defrag and WinME defrag.
WinME defrag is quite a bit better than the standard Win98 defrag, but
slower than Norton Speed Disk.

Shut down all running programs, (including anti-virus, anti-malware)
except
for Systray and Explorer and then run the defragger.
Be sure you are NOT connected to the Internet before shutting down the
Anti
Virus and Anti Malware programs and renable those programs beforing
reconnecting to the Internet.

Buffalo

OR

PS: A great little (around 400kb) free program that shuts down most
unnecessary programs is EndItAll ver 1.0. Do not use the version 2 (too
much bloat and stuff).
It is simple and quick to use and helps make defragging stop way less
often
by shutting down most unnecessary programs.
Here is a link to the enditall.exe file. I used it in Win98SE.
http://www.asktcl.com/Files/enditall.exd first change the .exd
to .exe to get to the download.

"DESCRIPTION:
EndItAll lets you terminate all non-essential programs for the purpose of
installing new software, running finicky games, or writing to CD-Rs that
need a
big buffer. The essential system programs Explorer and Systray cannot be
terminated. EndItAll's main window presents a list of running processes.
You
can
protect any process in the list from termination."

INSTALLATION:

Launch install.exe to install the program. To uninstall EndItAll, use the
Add/Remove Programs applet in Control Panel. For usage details, refer to
the
program's online help file.

Buffalo YOU KNOW THE RIGHT WAY IN DOING IT!

#1. Shut down all running programs + ANTIVIRUS
#2. Scandisk before using a Defrag

THIS IS THE WAY TO DO IT IF IT DON'T WORK
YOU HAVE A VIRUS OR SPYWARE RUNNING
Shut down all running programs THAT MEANS
VIRUS OR SPYWARE TOO!



"Buffalo" wrote in message
...


Aster wrote:
Thanks a lot. Does the Norton SpeedDisk run from windows or from Safe
mode?

Aster


Most times it is smart to run the Windows 98 Scandisk before using a
Defrag
program. This can help a defrag program to run better and with fewer
interruptions.


Yes, Norton Speed Disk (from Norton SW2002) runs from Windows and it is
much
faster than either Win98 defrag and WinME defrag.
WinME defrag is quite a bit better than the standard Win98 defrag, but
slower than Norton Speed Disk.

Shut down all running programs, (including anti-virus, anti-malware)
except
for Systray and Explorer and then run the defragger.
Be sure you are NOT connected to the Internet before shutting down the
Anti
Virus and Anti Malware programs and renable those programs beforing
reconnecting to the Internet.

Buffalo

OR

PS: A great little (around 400kb) free program that shuts down most
unnecessary programs is EndItAll ver 1.0. Do not use the version 2 (too
much bloat and stuff).
It is simple and quick to use and helps make defragging stop way less
often
by shutting down most unnecessary programs.
Here is a link to the enditall.exe file. I used it in Win98SE.
http://www.asktcl.com/Files/enditall.exd first change the .exd
to .exe to get to the download.

"DESCRIPTION:
EndItAll lets you terminate all non-essential programs for the purpose of
installing new software, running finicky games, or writing to CD-Rs that
need a
big buffer. The essential system programs Explorer and Systray cannot be
terminated. EndItAll's main window presents a list of running processes.
You
can
protect any process in the list from termination."

INSTALLATION:

Launch install.exe to install the program. To uninstall EndItAll, use the
Add/Remove Programs applet in Control Panel. For usage details, refer to
the
program's online help file.

"98 Guy" wrote in message ...
someone watching wrote:

It's missing NUABOUT.DLL

ok, I've added it to the zip file. Try this:

http://www.fileden.com/files/2008/7/19/2010382/sd32.zip

Well, kinda figured this would happen, now it's requesting S32STAT.DLL. And
after that it will likely request another, then another ... in fact I'm not
so sure SD can run as a stand-alone. I think it MUST HAVE certain features
of NU installed (but not 100% sure).

I fooled with Norton 2002 some time ago and found 2001 actually worked
better for my needs. That's what is installed on the current W98 setup. What
I recall of 2002 is vague but I did install the package and was not happy
with it, don't recall exactly why but it may have been because of Speedisk!
I wanted 2002 but then noticed it appeared the same as 2001 (functionality
and all). Perhaps it was because SD required certain other NU features to be
installed to work it was uninstalled ... just don't recall.

If others are looking to install a very nice utility package I'd recommend
NU 2001. There are various mods you can perform to enhance performance;
here's one:

Found on my systems the Norton file called SYMEVNT.386 took a noticeable
toll on performance. Since I don't use their event scheduler decided to
remove it.

Here's how you can do it; make a .REG file (e.g. KILLEVNT.REG) from the
following, then run it.

---

REGEDIT4

[-HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\System\CurrentControlSet\Servic es\VxD\SYMEVNT]

---

This will remove the startup entry in your registry. Reboot. Done.

"98 Guy" wrote in message ...
someone watching wrote:

It's missing NUABOUT.DLL

ok, I've added it to the zip file. Try this:

http://www.fileden.com/files/2008/7/19/2010382/sd32.zip

Well, kinda figured this would happen, now it's requesting S32STAT.DLL. And
after that it will likely request another, then another ... in fact I'm not
so sure SD can run as a stand-alone. I think it MUST HAVE certain features
of NU installed (but not 100% sure).

I fooled with Norton 2002 some time ago and found 2001 actually worked
better for my needs. That's what is installed on the current W98 setup. What
I recall of 2002 is vague but I did install the package and was not happy
with it, don't recall exactly why but it may have been because of Speedisk!
I wanted 2002 but then noticed it appeared the same as 2001 (functionality
and all). Perhaps it was because SD required certain other NU features to be
installed to work it was uninstalled ... just don't recall.

If others are looking to install a very nice utility package I'd recommend
NU 2001. There are various mods you can perform to enhance performance;
here's one:

Found on my systems the Norton file called SYMEVNT.386 took a noticeable
toll on performance. Since I don't use their event scheduler decided to
remove it.

Here's how you can do it; make a .REG file (e.g. KILLEVNT.REG) from the
following, then run it.

---

REGEDIT4

[-HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\System\CurrentControlSet\Servic es\VxD\SYMEVNT]

---

This will remove the startup entry in your registry. Reboot. Done.

On 01/04/2010 10:40 AM, someone watching wrote:
"98 Guy" wrote in message ...
someone watching wrote:

It's missing NUABOUT.DLL

ok, I've added it to the zip file. Try this:

http://www.fileden.com/files/2008/7/19/2010382/sd32.zip

Well, kinda figured this would happen, now it's requesting S32STAT.DLL. And
after that it will likely request another, then another ... in fact I'm not
so sure SD can run as a stand-alone. I think it MUST HAVE certain features
of NU installed (but not 100% sure).

I fooled with Norton 2002 some time ago and found 2001 actually worked
better for my needs. That's what is installed on the current W98 setup. What
I recall of 2002 is vague but I did install the package and was not happy
with it, don't recall exactly why but it may have been because of Speedisk!
I wanted 2002 but then noticed it appeared the same as 2001 (functionality
and all). Perhaps it was because SD required certain other NU features to be
installed to work it was uninstalled ... just don't recall.

If others are looking to install a very nice utility package I'd recommend
NU 2001. There are various mods you can perform to enhance performance;
here's one:

Found on my systems the Norton file called SYMEVNT.386 took a noticeable
toll on performance. Since I don't use their event scheduler decided to
remove it.

Here's how you can do it; make a .REG file (e.g. KILLEVNT.REG) from the
following, then run it.

---

REGEDIT4

[-HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\System\CurrentControlSet\Servic es\VxD\SYMEVNT]

---

This will remove the startup entry in your registry. Reboot. Done.



Yeah, so WHY didn't you or 98 Guy profile the supposed application with
Dependency Walker??

*IF* 9X users or supporters want to mess around with things like this,
at least make an effort to ensure the stuff works... it isn't like there
aren't tools to use to check these things... make the effort.

As an alternative, Nuts and Bolts 98 also included a disk defrag [and
other programs] which HAS been offered in several places as a standalone
and CHECKED for necessary support files PRIOR to offering.

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