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networking ME to win 7 via router
Shane,
A coup[le of quick points: 1) Norton's recent AVs seem to be better than the version from the early naughties however the problem here isn't Norton's AV but rather their firewall. 2) I have yet to see any advert or nag screen when using Alwil's Avast! version 4.8 and 5.0 AV applications. I've seen has any Microsoft anti-malware product performed even as well as average. I suggest you check again. You might find yourself pleasantly surprised. -- Mike Arbuthnott Ferriwinkle wrote: Noel, Some points: There seems to be a groundswell of opinion (whatever that means!) that Norton AV is greatly improved these days (essentially far less resource-hungry than it has been since circa 2003). I expect the SystemWorks or whatever they do these days is still awful, and really, everyone should just not use firewalls from any of these not-primarily-firewall-software companys! For software firewalls - essential even with a router with a firewall - Comodo and OnlineArmor are probably the best free ones. I'm using Comodo widely thses days. Do, please, call what you label here 'ad-bearing' the rather more appropriate 'nag ware'. Though I'd be fascinated to know accurate statistics as to the sum affect of intrusive pop-ups on, say, AVG usage. I for one will never use it again! Or indeed the equally-awful-these-days Zone Alarm. My opinion on Avast! is mixed. I still dislike it intensely for look and feel, though others patently like it, but the important thing is it seems to perform pretty well (on a par with Antivir, which I am now using on the everyday system despite having a couple of months left on my NOD32 license). It is easy to disable the Antivir nagscreen (and the Diskeeper Lite, come to that!). Finally, in not one of my own trials over the years nor any test by the reputable testing labs nor in any in any sense rigorous review I've seen has any Microsoft anti-malware product peformed even as well as average. Generally it has been about on a par with Norton/McAfee at their worse. |
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I make a simple reply to my friends when asked about a good book for their OS
or other computer needs. Buy the biggest one in the store. It can't always be the right answer but the batting average is good. -- I mastered Wordstar graphics! "Rockytsquirrel" wrote: Tks Joan, I'll add this link to my new computer help file.. As I was telling Noel, I just purchased the "Dummies" book and I hope I'll find the over looked problem soon.. (the old brain doesn't work as fast as it use too..) tks again, RTS "Joan Archer" wrote in message ... Is this any use to you ? http://windows.microsoft.com/en-US/w...ons-of-Windows -- Joan Archer http://www.freewebs.com/crossstitcher "Rockytsquirrel" wrote in message ... Greetings, Got a win 7 machine last month and was hoping to network it with the older ME machines (2 in current network). However each attempt the win 7 machine asks for passwords and such which the networked ME machines never used.. I'm not big on networks, any suggestions would be appreciated.. RTS . |
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From personal experience, here, I can say that the Norton (Windows Control
panel/ Programs) Uninstaller ( as provided in the machines I've seen here) is sufficient unto the need, in Win 7. If you feel the need for belt-and-braces, then by all means also use the Norton removal Tool (SymNRT.exe) - Google for it, because they have a nasty habit of changing links without leaving forwarding behind! The number of pings to your IP probably hasn't changed - merely your perception of them A NAT firewall will stop 99.x% of unauthorised pings from hitting your network - so your software firewall never gets to see them (unless you play silly wotsits with the NAT). -- Noel Paton CrashFixPC Nil Carborundum Illegitemi www.crashfixpc.co.uk "Rockytsquirrel" wrote in message ... Greetings Mike, your right I'm sure, I use the "tiny firewall" on the old ME's that plus the router stopped all the problems I had been having when directly connected.. (back in 2006 I had over 2000 + daily pings from somewhere in china..) My next project will be to get the link for the total removal of nortons.. It seem I head that the symantec site had such a tool.. tks again, RTS "Mike M" wrote in message ... Correct, there is a way to allow LAN through the NORTON Firewall, but I'll need to research the IP addresses to all the other machines and then their individual names or ID's.. Currently I do not know that information. That's totally ridiculous. Norton should be telling out what the devices are and asking whether you wish to access them or not rather than you having to establish the IPs and names of the devices you want to connect to. If for some reason you feel the need for a third party firewall you can do very much better than use the insane offering from Symantec you have installed at present. Personally I use the XP, Vista or Win 7 firewalls and never used a firewall with Win Me, with my router's SPI & NAT firewall being my primary line of defence. -- Mike Maltby Rockytsquirrel wrote: Greetings Mike, Correct, there is a way to allow LAN through the NORTON Firewall, but I'll need to research the IP addresses to all the other machines and then their individual names or ID's.. Currently I do not know that information. It then is added to an exception page in the NORTONS firewall setup. However, I was able to access the ME machine I wanted by shutting down the NORTON firewall. That 1 hour access saved me 4 hours of copy and paste via flash drive.. ;-) Tks to all who offered help and advice. I think I'm beginning to get a feel for this win 7.. ( and even the NORTONS which has a grip on it..) LOL |
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Greetings Noel,
tks for the info, my isp has a habit of changing my url about every 3-4 months.. the pings will vary accordingly. I had a url last year that was so bad I had to request a change.. as for removing the program and all registry entries, in ME the left-overs in the registry could be as much a problem as the program itself. In the new win 7 I can't say.. seems I heard somewhere the op sys handle them differently.. Something we'll learn about I guess.. tks again. RTS "Noel Paton" wrote in message ... From personal experience, here, I can say that the Norton (Windows Control panel/ Programs) Uninstaller ( as provided in the machines I've seen here) is sufficient unto the need, in Win 7. If you feel the need for belt-and-braces, then by all means also use the Norton removal Tool (SymNRT.exe) - Google for it, because they have a nasty habit of changing links without leaving forwarding behind! The number of pings to your IP probably hasn't changed - merely your perception of them A NAT firewall will stop 99.x% of unauthorised pings from hitting your network - so your software firewall never gets to see them (unless you play silly wotsits with the NAT). -- Noel Paton CrashFixPC Nil Carborundum Illegitemi www.crashfixpc.co.uk "Rockytsquirrel" wrote in message ... Greetings Mike, your right I'm sure, I use the "tiny firewall" on the old ME's that plus the router stopped all the problems I had been having when directly connected.. (back in 2006 I had over 2000 + daily pings from somewhere in china..) My next project will be to get the link for the total removal of nortons.. It seem I head that the symantec site had such a tool.. tks again, RTS "Mike M" wrote in message ... Correct, there is a way to allow LAN through the NORTON Firewall, but I'll need to research the IP addresses to all the other machines and then their individual names or ID's.. Currently I do not know that information. That's totally ridiculous. Norton should be telling out what the devices are and asking whether you wish to access them or not rather than you having to establish the IPs and names of the devices you want to connect to. If for some reason you feel the need for a third party firewall you can do very much better than use the insane offering from Symantec you have installed at present. Personally I use the XP, Vista or Win 7 firewalls and never used a firewall with Win Me, with my router's SPI & NAT firewall being my primary line of defence. -- Mike Maltby Rockytsquirrel wrote: Greetings Mike, Correct, there is a way to allow LAN through the NORTON Firewall, but I'll need to research the IP addresses to all the other machines and then their individual names or ID's.. Currently I do not know that information. It then is added to an exception page in the NORTONS firewall setup. However, I was able to access the ME machine I wanted by shutting down the NORTON firewall. That 1 hour access saved me 4 hours of copy and paste via flash drive.. ;-) Tks to all who offered help and advice. I think I'm beginning to get a feel for this win 7.. ( and even the NORTONS which has a grip on it..) LOL |
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Mike M wrote:
Shane, I didn't say I didn't use a firewall other than when running Win Me, just that I feel no need to add a third party firewall to the offerings included as part of more recent Windows operating systems. As for router firewalls being compromised; are you referring to the weak and predictable passwords often used on routers, especially those supplied by many ISPs? Such weak passwords then permitting otherwise unauthorised users to access the router from the internet and configure it to suit their wishes. -- Mike Routers will sometimes have security flaws that come up, that people should make sure they have updated firmware. As far as people keeping the default passwords, only need to set up everything securely when you set it up and basically forget about it, better than leaving it unnoticed and secured than leaving it totally unsecured and unnoticed. |
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Be interesting to see this get through.
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Different version.
Mike M wrote: Shane, I didn't say I didn't use a firewall other than when running Win Me, just that I feel no need to add a third party firewall to the offerings included as part of more recent Windows operating systems. As for router firewalls being compromised; are you referring to the weak and predictable passwords often used on routers, especially those supplied by many ISPs? Such weak passwords then permitting otherwise unauthorised users to access the router from the internet and configure it to suit their wishes. Mike, offering from Symantec you have installed at present. Personally I use the XP, Vista or Win 7 firewalls and never used a firewall with Win Me, with my router's SPI & NAT firewall being my primary line of defence. I feel I should argue that for someone who really understands routers, like yourself, fair enough, but for the majority these days they still need a software firewall i). because enough router firewalls have been compromised this last year that with certain models it would be the equivalent of users showing lack of caution online because they believe their antivirus program stops *all* viruses, and ii). because you need one to tell you what, if anything, is trying to phone home. I must be right, because this piece of salmon is done to perfection! QED! |
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well - it made it! (Will a response get through, though?)
-- Noel Paton CrashFixPC Nil Carborundum Illegitemi www.crashfixpc.co.uk "Shane" wrote in message ... Be interesting to see this get through. |
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But the original I posted an hour or two back hasn't, nor has the identical
copy I posted a few minutes ago. Noel Paton wrote: well - it made it! (Will a response get through, though?) Nil Carborundum Illegitemi www.crashfixpc.co.uk "Shane" wrote in message ... Be interesting to see this get through. |
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I've posted it again as a new post. One wonders if it is being stopped as
spam due to the several links to articles at The Register. If so...well we already established many months ago that this group is filtered by incompetents. Guess nothing has changed. Shane Noel Paton wrote: well - it made it! (Will a response get through, though?) Nil Carborundum Illegitemi www.crashfixpc.co.uk "Shane" wrote in message ... Be interesting to see this get through. |
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