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XP to Win98 network problem
Ah sorry Steve, not challenging you or anything, but you indicate XP's
firewall is enough. It doesn't appear to be: http://www.firewallleaktester.com/index.html There are several other testing sites that rank XP's firewall poorly on their lists as well. -- MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com _________ "Steve Winograd" wrote in message ... | On Wed, 6 Feb 2008 15:31:48 -0000, "Susan" | wrote: | Both Windows 98 Second Edition and Windows XP can share their dial-up | modem connection with another computer on the local network using | Internet Connection Sharing. If possible, I recommend making XP the | host computer (the one with the modem) and making 98 the client | computer. | | I've written some web pages showing how to set it up: | | ICS Installation [Win98SE] | http://www.practicallynetworked.com/...icsinstall.htm | | Windows XP Internet Connection Sharing | http://www.practicallynetworked.com/sharing/xp_ics | | Come back NETBEUI all is forgiven. | | With just the TCP/IP protocol installed; | | The win98 can share files and access the internet. | The xp can share files but only if every time I switch on I go into | ZoneAlarm (free) and install "sues" in the trusted zone or change the | ethernet from internet to trusted zone. | The xp can't share the internet. | | If I follow the instructions | http://www.practicallynetworked.com/...icsinstall.htm it installs | Internet Connection Sharing items in the network configuration panel creates | a floppy disk and requires me to restart. | | The win98 can then no longer access the internet. | | Is it possible to have the modem in the win98 and have the xp share it? | I don't remember having ICS installed when The two win98s were sharing the | connection. | | John | | The free version of ZoneAlarm is incompatible with Internet Connection | Sharing on the host computer. To use XP as the host, you'll have to | uninstall ZoneAlarm on XP. XP's built-in Windows Firewall gives the | protection you need. | | Yes, you can have the modem in the Win98 computer. Win98 doesn't have | a built-in Internet sharing capability -- that requires ICS or a | similar third-party program. | -- | Best Wishes, | Steve Winograd, MS-MVP (Windows Networking) | | Please post any reply as a follow-up message in the news group | for everyone to see. I'm sorry, but I don't answer questions | addressed directly to me in E-mail or news groups. | | Microsoft Most Valuable Professional Program | http://mvp.support.microsoft.com |
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"Steve Winograd" wrote in message ... | On Wed, 6 Feb 2008 00:21:05 -0500, "MEB" meb@not | wrote: | | Ah sorry Steve, not challenging you or anything, but you indicate XP's | firewall is enough. It doesn't appear to be: | | http://www.firewallleaktester.com/index.html | | There are several other testing sites that rank XP's firewall poorly on | their lists as well. | | I'd like to kknow more about this. Where do I go on that site to find | information about XP's firewall? | -- | Best Wishes, | Steve Winograd, MS-MVP (Windows Networking) | | Microsoft Most Valuable Professional Program | http://mvp.support.microsoft.com Pick which group of tests you wish to view on the side panel, view the testing procedure page, and then click the provided link to view the results. Note, you must allow a cookie. As an alternative, you can download the test tools -click the tool wanted - and produce your own results [IIRC]. -- MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com _________ |
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"Steve Winograd" wrote in message ... | On Wed, 6 Feb 2008 00:21:05 -0500, "MEB" meb@not | wrote: | | Ah sorry Steve, not challenging you or anything, but you indicate XP's | firewall is enough. It doesn't appear to be: | | http://www.firewallleaktester.com/index.html | | There are several other testing sites that rank XP's firewall poorly on | their lists as well. | | I'd like to kknow more about this. Where do I go on that site to find | information about XP's firewall? | -- | Best Wishes, | Steve Winograd, MS-MVP (Windows Networking) | | Microsoft Most Valuable Professional Program | http://mvp.support.microsoft.com Pick which group of tests you wish to view on the side panel, view the testing procedure page, and then click the provided link to view the results. Note, you must allow a cookie. As an alternative, you can download the test tools -click the tool wanted - and produce your own results [IIRC]. -- MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com _________ |
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"Steve Winograd" wrote in message ... On Tue, 5 Feb 2008 12:43:05 -0000, "Susan" wrote: A network with both TCP/IP and NetBEUI will probably prove to be unreliable in the long run. I recommend removing NetBEUI from both computers and configuring TCP/IP properly. A firewall program on the XP computer is probably causing the original problem. Make sure that any firewall program is configured to allow File and Printer Sharing on the local area network. Thanks for the help. I removed all NETBEUI protocols. ZoneAlarm was blocking access. Setting Internet and Trusted zones to low(off) allows it to work. Adding the XP "Sues" to the trusted zone in zonealarm (Firewall/Zones) allows it to work with High and Medium settings. I still can't get access to the internet from the XP via the Win98 dial-up modem. Trying to access with Outlook Express gives the error message "The host mail.btinternet.com could not be found...." John You're welcome, John. Nice job of figuring out the firewall settings. Both Windows 98 Second Edition and Windows XP can share their dial-up modem connection with another computer on the local network using Internet Connection Sharing. If possible, I recommend making XP the host computer (the one with the modem) and making 98 the client computer. I've written some web pages showing how to set it up: ICS Installation [Win98SE] http://www.practicallynetworked.com/...icsinstall.htm Windows XP Internet Connection Sharing http://www.practicallynetworked.com/sharing/xp_ics -- Best Wishes, Steve Winograd, MS-MVP (Windows Networking) Come back NETBEUI all is forgiven. With just the TCP/IP protocol installed; The win98 can share files and access the internet. The xp can share files but only if every time I switch on I go into ZoneAlarm (free) and install "sues" in the trusted zone or change the ethernet from internet to trusted zone. The xp can't share the internet. If I follow the instructions http://www.practicallynetworked.com/...icsinstall.htm it installs Internet Connection Sharing items in the network configuration panel creates a floppy disk and requires me to restart. The win98 can then no longer access the internet. Is it possible to have the modem in the win98 and have the xp share it? I don't remember having ICS installed when The two win98s were sharing the connection. John |
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"Steve Winograd" wrote in message ... On Tue, 5 Feb 2008 12:43:05 -0000, "Susan" wrote: A network with both TCP/IP and NetBEUI will probably prove to be unreliable in the long run. I recommend removing NetBEUI from both computers and configuring TCP/IP properly. A firewall program on the XP computer is probably causing the original problem. Make sure that any firewall program is configured to allow File and Printer Sharing on the local area network. Thanks for the help. I removed all NETBEUI protocols. ZoneAlarm was blocking access. Setting Internet and Trusted zones to low(off) allows it to work. Adding the XP "Sues" to the trusted zone in zonealarm (Firewall/Zones) allows it to work with High and Medium settings. I still can't get access to the internet from the XP via the Win98 dial-up modem. Trying to access with Outlook Express gives the error message "The host mail.btinternet.com could not be found...." John You're welcome, John. Nice job of figuring out the firewall settings. Both Windows 98 Second Edition and Windows XP can share their dial-up modem connection with another computer on the local network using Internet Connection Sharing. If possible, I recommend making XP the host computer (the one with the modem) and making 98 the client computer. I've written some web pages showing how to set it up: ICS Installation [Win98SE] http://www.practicallynetworked.com/...icsinstall.htm Windows XP Internet Connection Sharing http://www.practicallynetworked.com/sharing/xp_ics -- Best Wishes, Steve Winograd, MS-MVP (Windows Networking) Come back NETBEUI all is forgiven. With just the TCP/IP protocol installed; The win98 can share files and access the internet. The xp can share files but only if every time I switch on I go into ZoneAlarm (free) and install "sues" in the trusted zone or change the ethernet from internet to trusted zone. The xp can't share the internet. If I follow the instructions http://www.practicallynetworked.com/...icsinstall.htm it installs Internet Connection Sharing items in the network configuration panel creates a floppy disk and requires me to restart. The win98 can then no longer access the internet. Is it possible to have the modem in the win98 and have the xp share it? I don't remember having ICS installed when The two win98s were sharing the connection. John |
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"John John" wrote in message ... | James Egan wrote: | | If outbound blocking is detected then you are already infected and | it's not the "job" of a firewall to deal with that. | | You fail to understand the importance of egress filtering, without it | your network security is incomplete. | | John | Taking this a bit farther,,, One doesn't necessarily need to be 'already infected' for these types of attacks to occur. The tools used to test the firewalls are designed to mimic know usage one is likely to encounter on the Internet. Yes, firewalls were once thought to not need these types of additional protections, however, a good one already monitors application usage in its rules, is already loaded, and is the application which first processes IP requests and seems prime candidate to provide this final outbound "selective" service. Anti-SpyWare programs and Anti-Virus programs remain a second layer, or as we now see, are being integrated into almost every firewall application or visversa. .. Has anyone failed to notice that packet filtering is now being used everywhere. If one has kept up with the capabilities {and potential mis-use} and vulnerabilities of Flash, Java, DirectX, SSI, php scripts, Cold Fusion hacks, Apache hacks, Windows Server hacks; issues in: Web 2.0, HTML 5, and other aspects including browser, mail client, ADOBE Reader and other standard Internet application vulnerabilities; and yes even IPv6 and WIFI's WEP and WPA; reliance upon one way (or non-monitoring) firewalls regardless of supposed additional protection via router IMO is not conducive to what we are supposedly here to provide. The more selective the rule set, the greater the protection. One doesn't need to be 'already infected', one only needs to contact the Internet in some form and make the mistake of visiting some malicious site [and they certainly aren't going to have flashing signs which pop-up YOU ARE BEING HACKED], or open some innocuous email, or be subjected to some hackers new and unknown piggy-backed DNS or other hack while connecting to their supposedly secure and monitored ISP, or merely leaving their WIFI transmitter turned on.. Taken in conjunction with the massed attacks of worms, Trojans, email hacks, dozens of new virus and new variants of old viruses, SpyWare, rootkits, etc.and vulnerabilities in VPN, SSL, and other supposed secured communications that anyone and EVERYONE on the Internet is subjected to; and when almost every site now has several Adverti$ing links or other off-site materials loaded with their page, increases the chance that those other sites may have been hacked or were highjacked on the way to the site being viewed. There has never been a time when LAYERED security has been more important, and ANYTHING done to increase a segment of that security layering is one more step to providing protection. As the saying goes, 'the strength of a chain is determined by its weakest link' so having the weakest link as the first link, just doesn't seem very smart to me. -- MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com _________ |
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"John John" wrote in message ... | James Egan wrote: | | If outbound blocking is detected then you are already infected and | it's not the "job" of a firewall to deal with that. | | You fail to understand the importance of egress filtering, without it | your network security is incomplete. | | John | Taking this a bit farther,,, One doesn't necessarily need to be 'already infected' for these types of attacks to occur. The tools used to test the firewalls are designed to mimic know usage one is likely to encounter on the Internet. Yes, firewalls were once thought to not need these types of additional protections, however, a good one already monitors application usage in its rules, is already loaded, and is the application which first processes IP requests and seems prime candidate to provide this final outbound "selective" service. Anti-SpyWare programs and Anti-Virus programs remain a second layer, or as we now see, are being integrated into almost every firewall application or visversa. .. Has anyone failed to notice that packet filtering is now being used everywhere. If one has kept up with the capabilities {and potential mis-use} and vulnerabilities of Flash, Java, DirectX, SSI, php scripts, Cold Fusion hacks, Apache hacks, Windows Server hacks; issues in: Web 2.0, HTML 5, and other aspects including browser, mail client, ADOBE Reader and other standard Internet application vulnerabilities; and yes even IPv6 and WIFI's WEP and WPA; reliance upon one way (or non-monitoring) firewalls regardless of supposed additional protection via router IMO is not conducive to what we are supposedly here to provide. The more selective the rule set, the greater the protection. One doesn't need to be 'already infected', one only needs to contact the Internet in some form and make the mistake of visiting some malicious site [and they certainly aren't going to have flashing signs which pop-up YOU ARE BEING HACKED], or open some innocuous email, or be subjected to some hackers new and unknown piggy-backed DNS or other hack while connecting to their supposedly secure and monitored ISP, or merely leaving their WIFI transmitter turned on.. Taken in conjunction with the massed attacks of worms, Trojans, email hacks, dozens of new virus and new variants of old viruses, SpyWare, rootkits, etc.and vulnerabilities in VPN, SSL, and other supposed secured communications that anyone and EVERYONE on the Internet is subjected to; and when almost every site now has several Adverti$ing links or other off-site materials loaded with their page, increases the chance that those other sites may have been hacked or were highjacked on the way to the site being viewed. There has never been a time when LAYERED security has been more important, and ANYTHING done to increase a segment of that security layering is one more step to providing protection. As the saying goes, 'the strength of a chain is determined by its weakest link' so having the weakest link as the first link, just doesn't seem very smart to me. -- MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com _________ |
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On Wed, 6 Feb 2008 15:31:48 -0000, "Susan"
wrote: Both Windows 98 Second Edition and Windows XP can share their dial-up modem connection with another computer on the local network using Internet Connection Sharing. If possible, I recommend making XP the host computer (the one with the modem) and making 98 the client computer. I've written some web pages showing how to set it up: ICS Installation [Win98SE] http://www.practicallynetworked.com/...icsinstall.htm Windows XP Internet Connection Sharing http://www.practicallynetworked.com/sharing/xp_ics Come back NETBEUI all is forgiven. With just the TCP/IP protocol installed; The win98 can share files and access the internet. The xp can share files but only if every time I switch on I go into ZoneAlarm (free) and install "sues" in the trusted zone or change the ethernet from internet to trusted zone. The xp can't share the internet. If I follow the instructions http://www.practicallynetworked.com/...icsinstall.htm it installs Internet Connection Sharing items in the network configuration panel creates a floppy disk and requires me to restart. The win98 can then no longer access the internet. Is it possible to have the modem in the win98 and have the xp share it? I don't remember having ICS installed when The two win98s were sharing the connection. John The free version of ZoneAlarm is incompatible with Internet Connection Sharing on the host computer. To use XP as the host, you'll have to uninstall ZoneAlarm on XP. XP's built-in Windows Firewall gives the protection you need. Yes, you can have the modem in the Win98 computer. Win98 doesn't have a built-in Internet sharing capability -- that requires ICS or a similar third-party program. -- Best Wishes, Steve Winograd, MS-MVP (Windows Networking) Please post any reply as a follow-up message in the news group for everyone to see. I'm sorry, but I don't answer questions addressed directly to me in E-mail or news groups. Microsoft Most Valuable Professional Program http://mvp.support.microsoft.com |
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On Wed, 6 Feb 2008 15:31:48 -0000, "Susan"
wrote: Both Windows 98 Second Edition and Windows XP can share their dial-up modem connection with another computer on the local network using Internet Connection Sharing. If possible, I recommend making XP the host computer (the one with the modem) and making 98 the client computer. I've written some web pages showing how to set it up: ICS Installation [Win98SE] http://www.practicallynetworked.com/...icsinstall.htm Windows XP Internet Connection Sharing http://www.practicallynetworked.com/sharing/xp_ics Come back NETBEUI all is forgiven. With just the TCP/IP protocol installed; The win98 can share files and access the internet. The xp can share files but only if every time I switch on I go into ZoneAlarm (free) and install "sues" in the trusted zone or change the ethernet from internet to trusted zone. The xp can't share the internet. If I follow the instructions http://www.practicallynetworked.com/...icsinstall.htm it installs Internet Connection Sharing items in the network configuration panel creates a floppy disk and requires me to restart. The win98 can then no longer access the internet. Is it possible to have the modem in the win98 and have the xp share it? I don't remember having ICS installed when The two win98s were sharing the connection. John The free version of ZoneAlarm is incompatible with Internet Connection Sharing on the host computer. To use XP as the host, you'll have to uninstall ZoneAlarm on XP. XP's built-in Windows Firewall gives the protection you need. Yes, you can have the modem in the Win98 computer. Win98 doesn't have a built-in Internet sharing capability -- that requires ICS or a similar third-party program. -- Best Wishes, Steve Winograd, MS-MVP (Windows Networking) Please post any reply as a follow-up message in the news group for everyone to see. I'm sorry, but I don't answer questions addressed directly to me in E-mail or news groups. Microsoft Most Valuable Professional Program http://mvp.support.microsoft.com |
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"Steve Winograd" wrote in message ... On Wed, 6 Feb 2008 15:31:48 -0000, "Susan" wrote: Both Windows 98 Second Edition and Windows XP can share their dial-up modem connection with another computer on the local network using Internet Connection Sharing. If possible, I recommend making XP the host computer (the one with the modem) and making 98 the client computer. I've written some web pages showing how to set it up: ICS Installation [Win98SE] http://www.practicallynetworked.com/...icsinstall.htm Windows XP Internet Connection Sharing http://www.practicallynetworked.com/sharing/xp_ics Come back NETBEUI all is forgiven. With just the TCP/IP protocol installed; The win98 can share files and access the internet. The xp can share files but only if every time I switch on I go into ZoneAlarm (free) and install "sues" in the trusted zone or change the ethernet from internet to trusted zone. The xp can't share the internet. If I follow the instructions http://www.practicallynetworked.com/...icsinstall.htm it installs Internet Connection Sharing items in the network configuration panel creates a floppy disk and requires me to restart. The win98 can then no longer access the internet. Is it possible to have the modem in the win98 and have the xp share it? I don't remember having ICS installed when The two win98s were sharing the connection. John The free version of ZoneAlarm is incompatible with Internet Connection Sharing on the host computer. To use XP as the host, you'll have to uninstall ZoneAlarm on XP. XP's built-in Windows Firewall gives the protection you need. Yes, you can have the modem in the Win98 computer. Win98 doesn't have a built-in Internet sharing capability -- that requires ICS or a similar third-party program. -- Best Wishes, Steve Winograd, MS-MVP (Windows Networking) Steve - thanks for the help and the website John |
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