speed/ram combos of winme systems here?

Just curious.. what are some of the speed/ram combinations of ME systems
represented in this ng?

Mine is:

CPU Type Intel Pentium IIIE, 1000 MHz (7.5 x 133)
CPU Alias Coppermine, CuMine, A80526
Original Clock 1000 MHz
L1 Code Cache 16 KB
L1 Data Cache 16 KB
L2 Cache 256 KB (On-Die, ATC, Full-Speed)
120gig hdd


Recently, I have been debating whether to piece-meal-upgrade my system with
more RAM, a new AGP video card, and a DVD burner.. stretching the life out
of my existing ME past the 6-year point, or simply get a new box with all
that including XP. I've been experiencing occassional video problems
(jumbled and incomplete characters at bootup) and random automatic Scandisks
at bootup that don't seem to have a cause.

If you have the funds buy a new box instead of trying to throw more
money onto that now obsolete motherboard. Newer faster video cards run
on PCI Express and buying an AGP card in this day and age is a dead end
proposition unless you have no other choice or are really not intending
on replacing the computer for a while yet.

John

Ogg wrote:
Just curious.. what are some of the speed/ram combinations of ME systems
represented in this ng?

Mine is:

CPU Type Intel Pentium IIIE, 1000 MHz (7.5 x 133)
CPU Alias Coppermine, CuMine, A80526
Original Clock 1000 MHz
L1 Code Cache 16 KB
L1 Data Cache 16 KB
L2 Cache 256 KB (On-Die, ATC, Full-Speed)
120gig hdd


Recently, I have been debating whether to piece-meal-upgrade my system with
more RAM, a new AGP video card, and a DVD burner.. stretching the life out
of my existing ME past the 6-year point, or simply get a new box with all
that including XP. I've been experiencing occassional video problems
(jumbled and incomplete characters at bootup) and random automatic Scandisks
at bootup that don't seem to have a cause.

or simply get a new box with all that including XP.

Personally I don't feel you should throw new money at what is an old
system. Use it to buy a new system. Remember that AGP has been replaced
by PCI-e. Note though that new systems are more likely to run a flavour
of Vista from 2007 than XP so depending on your feelings about Vista
either buy that new system soon or wait until after Vista launches.
--
Mike Maltby
MS-MVP Windows



Ogg wrote:

Just curious.. what are some of the speed/ram combinations of ME
systems represented in this ng?

Mine is:

CPU Type Intel Pentium IIIE, 1000 MHz (7.5 x 133)
CPU Alias Coppermine, CuMine, A80526
Original Clock 1000 MHz
L1 Code Cache 16 KB
L1 Data Cache 16 KB
L2 Cache 256 KB (On-Die, ATC, Full-Speed)
120gig hdd


Recently, I have been debating whether to piece-meal-upgrade my
system with more RAM, a new AGP video card, and a DVD burner..
stretching the life out of my existing ME past the 6-year point, or
simply get a new box with all that including XP. I've been
experiencing occassional video problems (jumbled and incomplete
characters at bootup) and random automatic Scandisks at bootup that
don't seem to have a cause.

Ogg wrote:
Just curious.. what are some of the speed/ram combinations of ME systems
represented in this ng?

Mine is:

CPU Type Intel Pentium IIIE, 1000 MHz (7.5 x 133)
CPU Alias Coppermine, CuMine, A80526
Original Clock 1000 MHz
L1 Code Cache 16 KB
L1 Data Cache 16 KB
L2 Cache 256 KB (On-Die, ATC, Full-Speed)
120gig hdd


Recently, I have been debating whether to piece-meal-upgrade my system with
more RAM, a new AGP video card, and a DVD burner.. stretching the life out
of my existing ME past the 6-year point, or simply get a new box with all
that including XP. I've been experiencing occassional video problems
(jumbled and incomplete characters at bootup) and random automatic Scandisks
at bootup that don't seem to have a cause.


It depends on your needs as a user. I currently am using a custom
build 98SE and XP Pro. machine that I greatly enjoy using. It is modern
since I upgrade it myself and it originally began life as a Falcon
Northwest computer and I have upgraded it as I needed better hardware to
run some of the latest games. I recently upgraded my Ati Radeon 9200
AGP with 128 mb's of video ram to the very best Ati Radeon graphics card
that 98SE can support through a Windows Millennium driver which is an
Ati Radeon 9800 XT AGP with 256 mb's of video memory and that will work
with Windows Vista Aero technology as well as XP and ME and 98SE.
I have a Sound Blaster Audigy 1 sound card that is slightly older
but is still supported by Creative with new drivers only for the XP
side. I currently have 512 mb's of ram but plan to upgrade to at least
a gigabyte or two of ram to support Windows Vista well and I will make
the proper memory adjustments in the software for 98SE since it does not
and cannot support more than 512 mb's of ram. I do not know if ME has
this limitation or not but I am sure people in this newsgroup can advise
you about that.
The reason that I like and keep this computer going is that it is a
hobby and I really like Windows 98 Second Edition. 98SE runs legacy DOS
programs well and simply does not have the overhead of the amount of
code that XP has as well as not having the amount of extra services that
I do not need. Sure there have been no drivers that support 98SE for
PCI Express and are not likely to be any but as of now I have no reason
to have the latest and greatest hardware. My motherboard supports DDR
memory and not DDR 2 memory but again I am satisfied with that as well.
I ran the Vista beta adviser and my machine came through with flying
colors after I upgraded the video card although I noticed the
information about the ram requirement that said it wanted at least a
gigabyte of ram for the premium experience.
Finally, there is the security concerns of XP compared to 98, 98SE
and ME that bother me. The secunia.com website talks about how XP
suffers from many vulnerabilities with at least one being critical.
This is true of Windows 2000 as well. 98, 98SE and ME only have 3 less
critical vulnerabilities and as long as you put these operating systems
behind a hardware firewall in a router with an antivirus program and
several antispyware programs then you should be in fairly good shape.

http://secunia.com/product/1/

http://secunia.com/product/14/

http://secunia.com/product/22/

http://secunia.com/product/13/

If you want any more information, then feel free to post back and I can
go into further details. The whole upgrade push for better security is
a scam in my opinion.

Hello, Dan!
You wrote on Tue, 12 Sep 2006 04:26:18 -0600:

D ... I currently am using a custom build 98SE and XP Pro.
D machine that I greatly enjoy using.
D ... I recently upgraded my Ati Radeon 9200 AGP with 128
D mb's of video ram to the very best Ati Radeon graphics card
D that 98SE can support through a Windows Millennium driver
D which is an Ati Radeon 9800 XT AGP with 256 mb's of video
D memory and that will work with Windows Vista Aero technology
D as well as XP and ME and 98SE.

Very nice. My WinME has a 64mb AGP 4x card. I thought I would be doing
pretty good if I upgraded to a 128mb! But I didn't want to spend more than
$70CDN for the card. There are some nice cards out there.. Hmmm.. is an 8x
AGP card backward compatible to 4x mode? I believe that my AGP chipset can
only handle 4x max. ATI Canada seems to be offering the Radeon® 9200 128MB
at $69 (free shipping)

What's the CPU speed of your PC? I'm still interested to learn what are
the various cpu speed/ram combos of WinME systems represented in this ng.


D The reason that I like and keep this computer going is that it is
D a hobby and I really like Windows 98 Second Edition. 98SE
D runs legacy DOS programs well and simply does not have the
D overhead of the amount of code that XP has as well as not
D having the amount of extra services that I do not need. Sure there
D have been no drivers that support 98SE for PCI Express and are
D not likely to be any but as of now I have no reason to have the
D latest and greatest hardware.

I hear ya. I'd love to keep this WinME system going as long as I can too.
I've already replaced the original NIC, added a 5-port USB 2.0 card, and
replaced the original 40gig hhd to a 120gig. I've purchased an external
250gig USB hdd that I'm accessing as a network share connected to an XP pc.

But now I'm experiencing a more persistent video problem at every boot-up.
At bootup (before the WindowsME splash screen appears), the characters on
the screen are incomplete, jumbled, and have mixed colours. A simple
Ctl-Alt-Del fixes the problem as the re-boot is interrupted and retries.
That's why I thought a new AGP card would fix that.


D Finally, there is the security concerns of XP compared to 98,
D 98SE and ME that bother me...
D ....as long as you put these operating
D systems behind a hardware firewall in a router with an antivirus
D program and several antispyware programs then you should
D be in fairly good shape.
D ...The whole upgrade push for better
D security is a scam in my opinion.

I hear ya! A simple router add-on would be a good solution for many people.
But remember that a majority of people are still on dialup. Self included.
Unless one can find a router that supports dialup, dialup users are stuck
with software anti-whatever solutions. Myself, I've enabled WinME's ICS.
It acts as a darn good in-bound firewall and port blocker in its own right.

Excuse me while I butt in...

http://www.cancomputer.com/pc/index....=1&systemid=49
http://www.cancomputer.com/pc/index....=1&systemid=54

I wouldn't get an ATI card, get an Nvidia based one instead. I'm no fan
of the ATI Catalyst drivers. Most 8x agp cards will work in a 4x slot
but of course you will only have 4x speed.

John

Ogg wrote:

Hello, Dan!
You wrote on Tue, 12 Sep 2006 04:26:18 -0600:

D ... I currently am using a custom build 98SE and XP Pro.
D machine that I greatly enjoy using.
D ... I recently upgraded my Ati Radeon 9200 AGP with 128
D mb's of video ram to the very best Ati Radeon graphics card
D that 98SE can support through a Windows Millennium driver
D which is an Ati Radeon 9800 XT AGP with 256 mb's of video
D memory and that will work with Windows Vista Aero technology
D as well as XP and ME and 98SE.

Very nice. My WinME has a 64mb AGP 4x card. I thought I would be doing
pretty good if I upgraded to a 128mb! But I didn't want to spend more than
$70CDN for the card. There are some nice cards out there.. Hmmm.. is an 8x
AGP card backward compatible to 4x mode? I believe that my AGP chipset can
only handle 4x max. ATI Canada seems to be offering the Radeon® 9200 128MB
at $69 (free shipping)

What's the CPU speed of your PC? I'm still interested to learn what are
the various cpu speed/ram combos of WinME systems represented in this ng.


D The reason that I like and keep this computer going is that it is
D a hobby and I really like Windows 98 Second Edition. 98SE
D runs legacy DOS programs well and simply does not have the
D overhead of the amount of code that XP has as well as not
D having the amount of extra services that I do not need. Sure there
D have been no drivers that support 98SE for PCI Express and are
D not likely to be any but as of now I have no reason to have the
D latest and greatest hardware.

I hear ya. I'd love to keep this WinME system going as long as I can too.
I've already replaced the original NIC, added a 5-port USB 2.0 card, and
replaced the original 40gig hhd to a 120gig. I've purchased an external
250gig USB hdd that I'm accessing as a network share connected to an XP pc.

But now I'm experiencing a more persistent video problem at every boot-up.
At bootup (before the WindowsME splash screen appears), the characters on
the screen are incomplete, jumbled, and have mixed colours. A simple
Ctl-Alt-Del fixes the problem as the re-boot is interrupted and retries.
That's why I thought a new AGP card would fix that.


D Finally, there is the security concerns of XP compared to 98,
D 98SE and ME that bother me...
D ....as long as you put these operating
D systems behind a hardware firewall in a router with an antivirus
D program and several antispyware programs then you should
D be in fairly good shape.
D ...The whole upgrade push for better
D security is a scam in my opinion.

I hear ya! A simple router add-on would be a good solution for many people.
But remember that a majority of people are still on dialup. Self included.
Unless one can find a router that supports dialup, dialup users are stuck
with software anti-whatever solutions. Myself, I've enabled WinME's ICS.
It acts as a darn good in-bound firewall and port blocker in its own right.

Hello, John!
You wrote on Tue, 12 Sep 2006 15:18:26 -0300:

JJ Excuse me while I butt in...
JJ http://www.cancomputer.com/pc/index....=1&systemid=49
JJ http://www.cancomputer.com/pc/index....=1&systemid=54

Not sure how those links help me. The basic configurations are way out of
my price range if I were considering a new pc. The current deal for a Dell
5150 with PCIe upgrades (and free shipping) is more appealing. But then I
wouldn't attempt to bother with WinME on pc like that.


JJ I wouldn't get an ATI card, get an Nvidia based one instead. I'm no
JJ fan of the ATI Catalyst drivers. Most 8x agp cards will work in a
JJ 4x slot but of course you will only have 4x speed.

Interesting comment about Nvidia .vs. ATI. I would have no idea why ATI's
Catalyst driver (if I knew what that was) would be a bad thing.

"Ogg" wrote in message
...
Hello, John!
You wrote on Tue, 12 Sep 2006 15:18:26 -0300:

JJ Excuse me while I butt in...
JJ http://www.cancomputer.com/pc/index....=1&systemid=49
JJ http://www.cancomputer.com/pc/index....=1&systemid=54

Not sure how those links help me. The basic configurations are way
out of
my price range if I were considering a new pc. The current deal for a
Dell
5150 with PCIe upgrades (and free shipping) is more appealing. But
then I
wouldn't attempt to bother with WinME on pc like that.


JJ I wouldn't get an ATI card, get an Nvidia based one instead. I'm
no
JJ fan of the ATI Catalyst drivers. Most 8x agp cards will work in
a
JJ 4x slot but of course you will only have 4x speed.

Interesting comment about Nvidia .vs. ATI. I would have no idea why
ATI's Catalyst driver (if I knew what that was) would be a bad thing.

Me neither and I DO have that. Had nVidia on the old WinME, but ATI
with Catalyst on this XP one. Mart???

Cheers....Figgs

I have various version ATI Catalyst drivers running here on various boxes
and laptops of various vintages using varying operating systems (Win Me
through Vista RC1 including x64 systems) with graphics cards ranging from
an ATI Radeon 7000 to an X200M in a Toshiba laptop. All run without the
slightest problem.
--
Mike Maltby
MS-MVP Windows



Heather wrote:

Me neither and I DO have that. Had nVidia on the old WinME, but ATI
with Catalyst on this XP one. Mart???

Thanks Mike.....and it was JJ, not Mart that said it. This is a Radeon
Sapphire 9600 Atlantis or some such. Not quite sure what the ATI
Control Centre does. Seems to have something called "Hydravision" as
well.

Heather

"Mike M" wrote in message
...
I have various version ATI Catalyst drivers running here on various
boxes and laptops of various vintages using varying operating systems
(Win Me through Vista RC1 including x64 systems) with graphics cards
ranging from an ATI Radeon 7000 to an X200M in a Toshiba laptop. All
run without the slightest problem.
--
Mike Maltby
MS-MVP Windows



Heather wrote:

Me neither and I DO have that. Had nVidia on the old WinME, but ATI
with Catalyst on this XP one. Mart???