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Thanks for letting me know. Do you have a broadband connection and are you
willing to share any software that you have at this newsgroup with us? You do not have to tell us if you do not want to of course. "SFB - KB3MM" wrote in message ... : Well, we live in an era of 'instant PC Experts' : : the typical'my brother in law-sez, ......., and the secretary at work..... : : roof is needed not rumors. : : I've had the update for 4 days and nothing has raised an ugly head yet. : : "Dan" wrote in message : ... : It is just what people are saying. I don't have any proof. : : "SFB - KB3MM" wrote in message : ... : : Any particular boards? : : : : Is this well founded and some one has absolute proof, or just some one : : saying it must be ...? : : : : "Dan" wrote in message : : ... : : Read the discussion boards and you will see that it is causing havoc : with : : some user's machines and associated software and/or hardware. For : some : of : : the users baddies are definately involved but definately not with all : the : : users. : : : : "SFB - KB3MM" wrote in message : : ... : : : Whata's the downside of this update? : : : : : : "Ivan Bútora" wrote in message : : : ... : : : Dan, please. ANY update is optional. It is up to me if I want to : : install : : : it on my machine or not. Yes, I think it's good to install these : updates : : in : : : general, and I have installed all of them except KB891711. But on : the : : other : : : hand, there are upsides and downsides. In the case of KB891711, the : : : inconvenience and trouble that is likely to be caused by this patch : is : : far : : : greater than the risk of a hacker exploiting your machine. Keep in : mind : : that : : : there have been several updates this year considered "important" for : : Windows : : : 98 that have not been released publicly. As Gary Terhune pointed : out, : : the : : : difference between "important" and "critical" is actually not so : : significant : : : in terms of the security threat. So yeah, your machine probably *is* : : : vulnerable to something. But that's life, you can't be 100% secure : all : : the : : : time. I don't see the point in making such a big fuss about not : having : : this : : : one patch installed. : : : : : : And FYI, since September 2004, my computer has been running : WITHOUT : : : anti-virus protection, anti-spyware, etc. So yesterday I decided I : would : : run : : : a SpyBot check just for the hell of it, and guess what - nothing : found : : other : : : than a couple of IE cookies. My point: The most important thing is : being : : : aware of what you're doing with your computer and on the Internet. : : : : : : Frankly, I don't know what your letter to Bill Gates was, but what : I : : do : : : know is that MS should be ashamed for releasing a patch in this : manner, : : : without informing the users of the potential caveats, and apparently : : without : : : testing in dial-up systems, etc. : : : : : : : : : : : : "Dan" wrote in message : : : ... : : : According to PC Today, April issue it is a critical update that : has : : as : : : of now : : : not been exploited by hackers. Guys and Gals you need this : critical : : : update : : : because I am guessing within 3 weeks someone will find a way to : : : compromise : : : all 98SE and associated 9x machines that need the patch and have : not : : : been : : : updated. My best guess is that the time for the hackers will be : a : : : maximum of : : : 3 weeks and it may be even faster so if your machine is : connected : to : : the : : : Internet do whatever it takes to keep "KB891711.EXE" running : because : : I : : : am : : : sure down the line Microsoft will be able to do a better fix but : : this : : is : : : a : : : temporary solution, hopefully to allow users to be safe while : : on-line. : : : If : : : programs are not responding then discover why. People you need : this : : : CRITICAL : : : PATCH and it is not optional. If Windows will not run with the : : patch : : : because : : : of BSOD then disconnect from the Internet -- remove Ethernet : cable, : : USB : : : cable : : : or phone cable until the problem is resolved because if you do : not : : do : : : this : : : and have exited this CRITICAL PATCH then you are just asking for : : your : : : system : : : to be hacked and no it will not be by me or my friends although : I : : know : : a : : : lot : : : about security on computers and weak access points and could : : probably : : do : : : it : : : without too much trouble if I wanted to but my heart is with : keeping : : the : : : U.S.A and its Allies and businesses and finally consumers to try : and : : get : : : one : : : small leg up on the PEOPLE who hack machines for a hobby, the : : : terriorists and : : : finally the script kiddies. Let me know how I and others can : help : : you : : : with : : : your computer problems. Have a nice day! : : : : : : "98 Guy" wrote in message : : ... : : : : : : : : If you don't know what I'm talking about, look he : : : : : : : : : http://www.microsoft.com/technet/sec.../MS05-002.mspx : : : : : : : : If you're running Win 98, and have recently (within the past : week) : : : : gone to Windows Updates and updated your computer, you almost : : : : certainly now have the file "KB891711.EXE" running in the : : background. : : : : It is set to run automatically at startup. First time any : such : : update : : : : or security patch has been configured to operate (instead of : : simply : : : : replacing an existing file). : : : : : : : : Even though Micro$loth sez that MS05-002 (KB891711.EXE) is : : critical : : : : for Win-98, I've read where some (many) people are simply : : deactivating : : : : it (via msconfig). : : : : : : : : Does anyone really know the truth regarding Win-98 and : : KB891711.EXE? : : : : : : : : Is there anything special about it (like running it in safe : mode : : to : : : : properly install it) ? : : : : : : : : Is it really needed? (for win-98) ? : : : : : : : : Is Win-98 really vulnerable to MS05-002 ??? : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : |
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We have two out of our three Win98SE computers at work that are experiencing those
exact symptoms since installing the update mentioned. Despite some of the claims here as to the cause, the machines have no malware; are using the latest updated drivers for sound and video (machines are only a couple of years old); are not using McAfee or Norton products; and are connected via broadband (RoadRunner) through a NetGear router. I removed the update and all is well. I await some clarification from MS. The WinME computer and all the XP machines in the same network have no problem. -- Glen Ventura, MS MVP Shell/User, A+ ~ In memory of our friend, MVP Alex Nichol ~ http://aumha.org/alex.htm http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm "Sramic" wrote in message ... Just on a personal experience note here, ever since I installed these latest security updates including: "Microsoft Security Bulletin MS05-002 Vulnerability in Cursor and Icon Format Handling Could Allow Remote Code Execution (891711)" I have had many blue screens of death to the point of hard rebooting to get out. It seems that this update is causing me nothing but grief (Win98 3.10.2222, AMD K6-2 450MHz). I am removing this one because I cannot use my computer with it! Has anyone else experienced this kind of behavior? "Ivan Bútora" wrote: Look through some of the recent threats in win98.gen_discussion... "SFB - KB3MM" wrote in message ... Whata's the downside of this update? "Ivan Bútora" wrote in message ... Dan, please. ANY update is optional. It is up to me if I want to install it on my machine or not. Yes, I think it's good to install these updates in general, and I have installed all of them except KB891711. But on the other hand, there are upsides and downsides. In the case of KB891711, the inconvenience and trouble that is likely to be caused by this patch is far greater than the risk of a hacker exploiting your machine. Keep in mind that there have been several updates this year considered "important" for Windows 98 that have not been released publicly. As Gary Terhune pointed out, the difference between "important" and "critical" is actually not so significant in terms of the security threat. So yeah, your machine probably *is* vulnerable to something. But that's life, you can't be 100% secure all the time. I don't see the point in making such a big fuss about not having this one patch installed. And FYI, since September 2004, my computer has been running WITHOUT anti-virus protection, anti-spyware, etc. So yesterday I decided I would run a SpyBot check just for the hell of it, and guess what - nothing found other than a couple of IE cookies. My point: The most important thing is being aware of what you're doing with your computer and on the Internet. Frankly, I don't know what your letter to Bill Gates was, but what I do know is that MS should be ashamed for releasing a patch in this manner, without informing the users of the potential caveats, and apparently without testing in dial-up systems, etc. "Dan" wrote in message ... According to PC Today, April issue it is a critical update that has as of now not been exploited by hackers. Guys and Gals you need this critical update because I am guessing within 3 weeks someone will find a way to compromise all 98SE and associated 9x machines that need the patch and have not been updated. My best guess is that the time for the hackers will be a maximum of 3 weeks and it may be even faster so if your machine is connected to the Internet do whatever it takes to keep "KB891711.EXE" running because I am sure down the line Microsoft will be able to do a better fix but this is a temporary solution, hopefully to allow users to be safe while on-line. If programs are not responding then discover why. People you need this CRITICAL PATCH and it is not optional. If Windows will not run with the patch because of BSOD then disconnect from the Internet -- remove Ethernet cable, USB cable or phone cable until the problem is resolved because if you do not do this and have exited this CRITICAL PATCH then you are just asking for your system to be hacked and no it will not be by me or my friends although I know a lot about security on computers and weak access points and could probably do it without too much trouble if I wanted to but my heart is with keeping the U.S.A and its Allies and businesses and finally consumers to try and get one small leg up on the PEOPLE who hack machines for a hobby, the terriorists and finally the script kiddies. Let me know how I and others can help you with your computer problems. Have a nice day! "98 Guy" wrote in message ... : : If you don't know what I'm talking about, look he : : http://www.microsoft.com/technet/sec.../MS05-002.mspx : : If you're running Win 98, and have recently (within the past week) : gone to Windows Updates and updated your computer, you almost : certainly now have the file "KB891711.EXE" running in the background. : It is set to run automatically at startup. First time any such update : or security patch has been configured to operate (instead of simply : replacing an existing file). : : Even though Micro$loth sez that MS05-002 (KB891711.EXE) is critical : for Win-98, I've read where some (many) people are simply deactivating : it (via msconfig). : : Does anyone really know the truth regarding Win-98 and KB891711.EXE? : : Is there anything special about it (like running it in safe mode to : properly install it) ? : : Is it really needed? (for win-98) ? : : Is Win-98 really vulnerable to MS05-002 ??? |
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Glad to hear someone else had similar problems. My video card is
a GeForce 2MX400 with 40.72 vers. Nvidia drivers, there are newer drivers but they don't work as well on my system. "glee" wrote: We have two out of our three Win98SE computers at work that are experiencing those exact symptoms since installing the update mentioned. Despite some of the claims here as to the cause, the machines have no malware; are using the latest updated drivers for sound and video (machines are only a couple of years old); are not using McAfee or Norton products; and are connected via broadband (RoadRunner) through a NetGear router. I removed the update and all is well. I await some clarification from MS. The WinME computer and all the XP machines in the same network have no problem. -- Glen Ventura, MS MVP Shell/User, A+ ~ In memory of our friend, MVP Alex Nichol ~ http://aumha.org/alex.htm http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm |
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On 03/12/2005 at 11:06 PM, Ivan B=FAtora said:
what I do know is that MS should be ashamed Of course we know this is an impossibility. Jim L -- "Don't call it a crisis until you can't fix it," Obstructionist Party. |
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On 03/12/2005 at 09:50 PM, "Dan" said:
don't come complaining to me later on if someone connects to your computer and/or network because you were unpatched and makes all kinds of changes For god's sake put in a good firewall. Jim L -- "Don't call it a crisis until you can't fix it," Obstructionist Party. |
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Just read the Win98.Gen_Discussion group, or the WindowsME.General
group, and you'll see several examples of KB891711 causing BSODs. Believe me, there *is* a problem, and MS *is* working on a solution. The biggest problem we have, now, is most people who are having trouble with KB891711 don't seem to be willing to perform some rather simple tests and return the results. -- Gary S. Terhune MS MVP Shell/User http://www.grystmill.com/articles/cleanboot.htm http://www.grystmill.com/articles/security.htm "SFB - KB3MM" wrote in message ... Well, we live in an era of 'instant PC Experts' the typical'my brother in law-sez, ......., and the secretary at work..... roof is needed not rumors. I've had the update for 4 days and nothing has raised an ugly head yet. "Dan" wrote in message ... It is just what people are saying. I don't have any proof. "SFB - KB3MM" wrote in message ... : Any particular boards? : : Is this well founded and some one has absolute proof, or just some one : saying it must be ...? : : "Dan" wrote in message : ... : Read the discussion boards and you will see that it is causing havoc with : some user's machines and associated software and/or hardware. For some of : the users baddies are definately involved but definately not with all the : users. : : "SFB - KB3MM" wrote in message : ... : : Whata's the downside of this update? : : : : "Ivan Bútora" wrote in message : : ... : : Dan, please. ANY update is optional. It is up to me if I want to : install : : it on my machine or not. Yes, I think it's good to install these updates : in : : general, and I have installed all of them except KB891711. But on the : other : : hand, there are upsides and downsides. In the case of KB891711, the : : inconvenience and trouble that is likely to be caused by this patch is : far : : greater than the risk of a hacker exploiting your machine. Keep in mind : that : : there have been several updates this year considered "important" for : Windows : : 98 that have not been released publicly. As Gary Terhune pointed out, : the : : difference between "important" and "critical" is actually not so : significant : : in terms of the security threat. So yeah, your machine probably *is* : : vulnerable to something. But that's life, you can't be 100% secure all : the : : time. I don't see the point in making such a big fuss about not having : this : : one patch installed. : : : : And FYI, since September 2004, my computer has been running WITHOUT : : anti-virus protection, anti-spyware, etc. So yesterday I decided I would : run : : a SpyBot check just for the hell of it, and guess what - nothing found : other : : than a couple of IE cookies. My point: The most important thing is being : : aware of what you're doing with your computer and on the Internet. : : : : Frankly, I don't know what your letter to Bill Gates was, but what I : do : : know is that MS should be ashamed for releasing a patch in this manner, : : without informing the users of the potential caveats, and apparently : without : : testing in dial-up systems, etc. : : : : : : : : "Dan" wrote in message : : ... : : According to PC Today, April issue it is a critical update that has : as : : of now : : not been exploited by hackers. Guys and Gals you need this critical : : update : : because I am guessing within 3 weeks someone will find a way to : : compromise : : all 98SE and associated 9x machines that need the patch and have not : : been : : updated. My best guess is that the time for the hackers will be a : : maximum of : : 3 weeks and it may be even faster so if your machine is connected to : the : : Internet do whatever it takes to keep "KB891711.EXE" running because : I : : am : : sure down the line Microsoft will be able to do a better fix but : this : is : : a : : temporary solution, hopefully to allow users to be safe while : on-line. : : If : : programs are not responding then discover why. People you need this : : CRITICAL : : PATCH and it is not optional. If Windows will not run with the : patch : : because : : of BSOD then disconnect from the Internet -- remove Ethernet cable, : USB : : cable : : or phone cable until the problem is resolved because if you do not : do : : this : : and have exited this CRITICAL PATCH then you are just asking for : your : : system : : to be hacked and no it will not be by me or my friends although I : know : a : : lot : : about security on computers and weak access points and could : probably : do : : it : : without too much trouble if I wanted to but my heart is with keeping : the : : U.S.A and its Allies and businesses and finally consumers to try and : get : : one : : small leg up on the PEOPLE who hack machines for a hobby, the : : terriorists and : : finally the script kiddies. Let me know how I and others can help : you : : with : : your computer problems. Have a nice day! : : : : "98 Guy" wrote in message : ... : : : : : : If you don't know what I'm talking about, look he : : : : : : http://www.microsoft.com/technet/sec.../MS05-002.mspx : : : : : : If you're running Win 98, and have recently (within the past week) : : : gone to Windows Updates and updated your computer, you almost : : : certainly now have the file "KB891711.EXE" running in the : background. : : : It is set to run automatically at startup. First time any such : update : : : or security patch has been configured to operate (instead of : simply : : : replacing an existing file). : : : : : : Even though Micro$loth sez that MS05-002 (KB891711.EXE) is : critical : : : for Win-98, I've read where some (many) people are simply : deactivating : : : it (via msconfig). : : : : : : Does anyone really know the truth regarding Win-98 and : KB891711.EXE? : : : : : : Is there anything special about it (like running it in safe mode : to : : : properly install it) ? : : : : : : Is it really needed? (for win-98) ? : : : : : : Is Win-98 really vulnerable to MS05-002 ??? : : : : : : : : : |
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Me too. Not a single problem. I'm on dial-up with a 9year old Gateway.
"SFB - KB3MM" wrote in message ... Well, we live in an era of 'instant PC Experts' the typical'my brother in law-sez, ......., and the secretary at work..... roof is needed not rumors. I've had the update for 4 days and nothing has raised an ugly head yet. "Dan" wrote in message ... It is just what people are saying. I don't have any proof. "SFB - KB3MM" wrote in message ... : Any particular boards? : : Is this well founded and some one has absolute proof, or just some one : saying it must be ...? : : "Dan" wrote in message : ... : Read the discussion boards and you will see that it is causing havoc with : some user's machines and associated software and/or hardware. For some of : the users baddies are definately involved but definately not with all the : users. : : "SFB - KB3MM" wrote in message : ... : : Whata's the downside of this update? : : : : "Ivan Bútora" wrote in message : : ... : : Dan, please. ANY update is optional. It is up to me if I want to : install : : it on my machine or not. Yes, I think it's good to install these updates : in : : general, and I have installed all of them except KB891711. But on the : other : : hand, there are upsides and downsides. In the case of KB891711, the : : inconvenience and trouble that is likely to be caused by this patch is : far : : greater than the risk of a hacker exploiting your machine. Keep in mind : that : : there have been several updates this year considered "important" for : Windows : : 98 that have not been released publicly. As Gary Terhune pointed out, : the : : difference between "important" and "critical" is actually not so : significant : : in terms of the security threat. So yeah, your machine probably *is* : : vulnerable to something. But that's life, you can't be 100% secure all : the : : time. I don't see the point in making such a big fuss about not having : this : : one patch installed. : : : : And FYI, since September 2004, my computer has been running WITHOUT : : anti-virus protection, anti-spyware, etc. So yesterday I decided I would : run : : a SpyBot check just for the hell of it, and guess what - nothing found : other : : than a couple of IE cookies. My point: The most important thing is being : : aware of what you're doing with your computer and on the Internet. : : : : Frankly, I don't know what your letter to Bill Gates was, but what I : do : : know is that MS should be ashamed for releasing a patch in this manner, : : without informing the users of the potential caveats, and apparently : without : : testing in dial-up systems, etc. : : : : : : : : "Dan" wrote in message : : ... : : According to PC Today, April issue it is a critical update that has : as : : of now : : not been exploited by hackers. Guys and Gals you need this critical : : update : : because I am guessing within 3 weeks someone will find a way to : : compromise : : all 98SE and associated 9x machines that need the patch and have not : : been : : updated. My best guess is that the time for the hackers will be a : : maximum of : : 3 weeks and it may be even faster so if your machine is connected to : the : : Internet do whatever it takes to keep "KB891711.EXE" running because : I : : am : : sure down the line Microsoft will be able to do a better fix but : this : is : : a : : temporary solution, hopefully to allow users to be safe while : on-line. : : If : : programs are not responding then discover why. People you need this : : CRITICAL : : PATCH and it is not optional. If Windows will not run with the : patch : : because : : of BSOD then disconnect from the Internet -- remove Ethernet cable, : USB : : cable : : or phone cable until the problem is resolved because if you do not : do : : this : : and have exited this CRITICAL PATCH then you are just asking for : your : : system : : to be hacked and no it will not be by me or my friends although I : know : a : : lot : : about security on computers and weak access points and could : probably : do : : it : : without too much trouble if I wanted to but my heart is with keeping : the : : U.S.A and its Allies and businesses and finally consumers to try and : get : : one : : small leg up on the PEOPLE who hack machines for a hobby, the : : terriorists and : : finally the script kiddies. Let me know how I and others can help : you : : with : : your computer problems. Have a nice day! : : : : "98 Guy" wrote in message : ... : : : : : : If you don't know what I'm talking about, look he : : : : : : http://www.microsoft.com/technet/sec.../MS05-002.mspx : : : : : : If you're running Win 98, and have recently (within the past week) : : : gone to Windows Updates and updated your computer, you almost : : : certainly now have the file "KB891711.EXE" running in the : background. : : : It is set to run automatically at startup. First time any such : update : : : or security patch has been configured to operate (instead of : simply : : : replacing an existing file). : : : : : : Even though Micro$loth sez that MS05-002 (KB891711.EXE) is : critical : : : for Win-98, I've read where some (many) people are simply : deactivating : : : it (via msconfig). : : : : : : Does anyone really know the truth regarding Win-98 and : KB891711.EXE? : : : : : : Is there anything special about it (like running it in safe mode : to : : : properly install it) ? : : : : : : Is it really needed? (for win-98) ? : : : : : : Is Win-98 really vulnerable to MS05-002 ??? : : : : : : : : : |
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The solution is simple: don't take in all the (supposed) "updates".
Gary S. Terhune wrote: Just read the Win98.Gen_Discussion group, or the WindowsME.General group, and you'll see several examples of KB891711 causing BSODs. Believe me, there *is* a problem, and MS *is* working on a solution. The biggest problem we have, now, is most people who are having trouble with KB891711 don't seem to be willing to perform some rather simple tests and return the results. -- Gary S. Terhune MS MVP Shell/User http://www.grystmill.com/articles/cleanboot.htm http://www.grystmill.com/articles/security.htm "SFB - KB3MM" wrote in message ... Well, we live in an era of 'instant PC Experts' the typical'my brother in law-sez, ......., and the secretary at work..... roof is needed not rumors. I've had the update for 4 days and nothing has raised an ugly head yet. "Dan" wrote in message ... It is just what people are saying. I don't have any proof. "SFB - KB3MM" wrote in message ... Any particular boards? Is this well founded and some one has absolute proof, or just some one saying it must be ...? "Dan" wrote in message ... Read the discussion boards and you will see that it is causing havoc with some user's machines and associated software and/or hardware. For some of the users baddies are definately involved but definately not with all the users. "SFB - KB3MM" wrote in message ... Whata's the downside of this update? "Ivan Bútora" wrote in message ... Dan, please. ANY update is optional. It is up to me if I want to install it on my machine or not. Yes, I think it's good to install these updates in general, and I have installed all of them except KB891711. But on the other hand, there are upsides and downsides. In the case of KB891711, the inconvenience and trouble that is likely to be caused by this patch is far greater than the risk of a hacker exploiting your machine. Keep in mind that there have been several updates this year considered "important" for Windows 98 that have not been released publicly. As Gary Terhune pointed out, the difference between "important" and "critical" is actually not so significant in terms of the security threat. So yeah, your machine probably *is* vulnerable to something. But that's life, you can't be 100% secure all the time. I don't see the point in making such a big fuss about not having this one patch installed. And FYI, since September 2004, my computer has been running WITHOUT anti-virus protection, anti-spyware, etc. So yesterday I decided I would run a SpyBot check just for the hell of it, and guess what - nothing found other than a couple of IE cookies. My point: The most important thing is being aware of what you're doing with your computer and on the Internet. Frankly, I don't know what your letter to Bill Gates was, but what I do know is that MS should be ashamed for releasing a patch in this manner, without informing the users of the potential caveats, and apparently without testing in dial-up systems, etc. "Dan" wrote in message ... According to PC Today, April issue it is a critical update that has as of now not been exploited by hackers. Guys and Gals you need this critical update because I am guessing within 3 weeks someone will find a way to compromise all 98SE and associated 9x machines that need the patch and have not been updated. My best guess is that the time for the hackers will be a maximum of 3 weeks and it may be even faster so if your machine is connected to the Internet do whatever it takes to keep "KB891711.EXE" running because I am sure down the line Microsoft will be able to do a better fix but this is a temporary solution, hopefully to allow users to be safe while on-line. If programs are not responding then discover why. People you need this CRITICAL PATCH and it is not optional. If Windows will not run with the patch because of BSOD then disconnect from the Internet -- remove Ethernet cable, USB cable or phone cable until the problem is resolved because if you do not do this and have exited this CRITICAL PATCH then you are just asking for your system to be hacked and no it will not be by me or my friends although I know a lot about security on computers and weak access points and could probably do it without too much trouble if I wanted to but my heart is with keeping the U.S.A and its Allies and businesses and finally consumers to try and get one small leg up on the PEOPLE who hack machines for a hobby, the terriorists and finally the script kiddies. Let me know how I and others can help you with your computer problems. Have a nice day! "98 Guy" wrote in message ... If you don't know what I'm talking about, look he http://www.microsoft.com/technet/sec.../MS05-002.mspx If you're running Win 98, and have recently (within the past week) gone to Windows Updates and updated your computer, you almost certainly now have the file "KB891711.EXE" running in the background. It is set to run automatically at startup. First time any such update or security patch has been configured to operate (instead of simply replacing an existing file). Even though Micro$loth sez that MS05-002 (KB891711.EXE) is critical for Win-98, I've read where some (many) people are simply deactivating it (via msconfig). Does anyone really know the truth regarding Win-98 and KB891711.EXE? Is there anything special about it (like running it in safe mode to properly install it) ? Is it really needed? (for win-98) ? Is Win-98 really vulnerable to MS05-002 ??? |
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No BSOD here, but what is/are the simple test(s)?
"Bill in Co." wrote in message ... The solution is simple: don't take in all the (supposed) "updates". Gary S. Terhune wrote: Just read the Win98.Gen_Discussion group, or the WindowsME.General group, and you'll see several examples of KB891711 causing BSODs. Believe me, there *is* a problem, and MS *is* working on a solution. The biggest problem we have, now, is most people who are having trouble with KB891711 don't seem to be willing to perform some rather simple tests and return the results. -- Gary S. Terhune MS MVP Shell/User http://www.grystmill.com/articles/cleanboot.htm http://www.grystmill.com/articles/security.htm "SFB - KB3MM" wrote in message ... Well, we live in an era of 'instant PC Experts' the typical'my brother in law-sez, ......., and the secretary at work..... roof is needed not rumors. I've had the update for 4 days and nothing has raised an ugly head yet. "Dan" wrote in message ... It is just what people are saying. I don't have any proof. "SFB - KB3MM" wrote in message ... Any particular boards? Is this well founded and some one has absolute proof, or just some one saying it must be ...? "Dan" wrote in message ... Read the discussion boards and you will see that it is causing havoc with some user's machines and associated software and/or hardware. For some of the users baddies are definately involved but definately not with all the users. "SFB - KB3MM" wrote in message ... Whata's the downside of this update? "Ivan Bútora" wrote in message ... Dan, please. ANY update is optional. It is up to me if I want to install it on my machine or not. Yes, I think it's good to install these updates in general, and I have installed all of them except KB891711. But on the other hand, there are upsides and downsides. In the case of KB891711, the inconvenience and trouble that is likely to be caused by this patch is far greater than the risk of a hacker exploiting your machine. Keep in mind that there have been several updates this year considered "important" for Windows 98 that have not been released publicly. As Gary Terhune pointed out, the difference between "important" and "critical" is actually not so significant in terms of the security threat. So yeah, your machine probably *is* vulnerable to something. But that's life, you can't be 100% secure all the time. I don't see the point in making such a big fuss about not having this one patch installed. And FYI, since September 2004, my computer has been running WITHOUT anti-virus protection, anti-spyware, etc. So yesterday I decided I would run a SpyBot check just for the hell of it, and guess what - nothing found other than a couple of IE cookies. My point: The most important thing is being aware of what you're doing with your computer and on the Internet. Frankly, I don't know what your letter to Bill Gates was, but what I do know is that MS should be ashamed for releasing a patch in this manner, without informing the users of the potential caveats, and apparently without testing in dial-up systems, etc. "Dan" wrote in message ... According to PC Today, April issue it is a critical update that has as of now not been exploited by hackers. Guys and Gals you need this critical update because I am guessing within 3 weeks someone will find a way to compromise all 98SE and associated 9x machines that need the patch and have not been updated. My best guess is that the time for the hackers will be a maximum of 3 weeks and it may be even faster so if your machine is connected to the Internet do whatever it takes to keep "KB891711.EXE" running because I am sure down the line Microsoft will be able to do a better fix but this is a temporary solution, hopefully to allow users to be safe while on-line. If programs are not responding then discover why. People you need this CRITICAL PATCH and it is not optional. If Windows will not run with the patch because of BSOD then disconnect from the Internet -- remove Ethernet cable, USB cable or phone cable until the problem is resolved because if you do not do this and have exited this CRITICAL PATCH then you are just asking for your system to be hacked and no it will not be by me or my friends although I know a lot about security on computers and weak access points and could probably do it without too much trouble if I wanted to but my heart is with keeping the U.S.A and its Allies and businesses and finally consumers to try and get one small leg up on the PEOPLE who hack machines for a hobby, the terriorists and finally the script kiddies. Let me know how I and others can help you with your computer problems. Have a nice day! "98 Guy" wrote in message ... If you don't know what I'm talking about, look he http://www.microsoft.com/technet/sec.../MS05-002.mspx If you're running Win 98, and have recently (within the past week) gone to Windows Updates and updated your computer, you almost certainly now have the file "KB891711.EXE" running in the background. It is set to run automatically at startup. First time any such update or security patch has been configured to operate (instead of simply replacing an existing file). Even though Micro$loth sez that MS05-002 (KB891711.EXE) is critical for Win-98, I've read where some (many) people are simply deactivating it (via msconfig). Does anyone really know the truth regarding Win-98 and KB891711.EXE? Is there anything special about it (like running it in safe mode to properly install it) ? Is it really needed? (for win-98) ? Is Win-98 really vulnerable to MS05-002 ??? |
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You think that's a simple one, eh?
-- Gary S. Terhune MS MVP Shell/User http://www.grystmill.com/articles/cleanboot.htm http://www.grystmill.com/articles/security.htm "Bill in Co." wrote in message ... The solution is simple: don't take in all the (supposed) "updates". Gary S. Terhune wrote: Just read the Win98.Gen_Discussion group, or the WindowsME.General group, and you'll see several examples of KB891711 causing BSODs. Believe me, there *is* a problem, and MS *is* working on a solution. The biggest problem we have, now, is most people who are having trouble with KB891711 don't seem to be willing to perform some rather simple tests and return the results. -- Gary S. Terhune MS MVP Shell/User http://www.grystmill.com/articles/cleanboot.htm http://www.grystmill.com/articles/security.htm "SFB - KB3MM" wrote in message ... Well, we live in an era of 'instant PC Experts' the typical'my brother in law-sez, ......., and the secretary at work..... roof is needed not rumors. I've had the update for 4 days and nothing has raised an ugly head yet. "Dan" wrote in message ... It is just what people are saying. I don't have any proof. "SFB - KB3MM" wrote in message ... Any particular boards? Is this well founded and some one has absolute proof, or just some one saying it must be ...? "Dan" wrote in message ... Read the discussion boards and you will see that it is causing havoc with some user's machines and associated software and/or hardware. For some of the users baddies are definately involved but definately not with all the users. "SFB - KB3MM" wrote in message ... Whata's the downside of this update? "Ivan Bútora" wrote in message ... Dan, please. ANY update is optional. It is up to me if I want to install it on my machine or not. Yes, I think it's good to install these updates in general, and I have installed all of them except KB891711. But on the other hand, there are upsides and downsides. In the case of KB891711, the inconvenience and trouble that is likely to be caused by this patch is far greater than the risk of a hacker exploiting your machine. Keep in mind that there have been several updates this year considered "important" for Windows 98 that have not been released publicly. As Gary Terhune pointed out, the difference between "important" and "critical" is actually not so significant in terms of the security threat. So yeah, your machine probably *is* vulnerable to something. But that's life, you can't be 100% secure all the time. I don't see the point in making such a big fuss about not having this one patch installed. And FYI, since September 2004, my computer has been running WITHOUT anti-virus protection, anti-spyware, etc. So yesterday I decided I would run a SpyBot check just for the hell of it, and guess what - nothing found other than a couple of IE cookies. My point: The most important thing is being aware of what you're doing with your computer and on the Internet. Frankly, I don't know what your letter to Bill Gates was, but what I do know is that MS should be ashamed for releasing a patch in this manner, without informing the users of the potential caveats, and apparently without testing in dial-up systems, etc. "Dan" wrote in message ... According to PC Today, April issue it is a critical update that has as of now not been exploited by hackers. Guys and Gals you need this critical update because I am guessing within 3 weeks someone will find a way to compromise all 98SE and associated 9x machines that need the patch and have not been updated. My best guess is that the time for the hackers will be a maximum of 3 weeks and it may be even faster so if your machine is connected to the Internet do whatever it takes to keep "KB891711.EXE" running because I am sure down the line Microsoft will be able to do a better fix but this is a temporary solution, hopefully to allow users to be safe while on-line. If programs are not responding then discover why. People you need this CRITICAL PATCH and it is not optional. If Windows will not run with the patch because of BSOD then disconnect from the Internet -- remove Ethernet cable, USB cable or phone cable until the problem is resolved because if you do not do this and have exited this CRITICAL PATCH then you are just asking for your system to be hacked and no it will not be by me or my friends although I know a lot about security on computers and weak access points and could probably do it without too much trouble if I wanted to but my heart is with keeping the U.S.A and its Allies and businesses and finally consumers to try and get one small leg up on the PEOPLE who hack machines for a hobby, the terriorists and finally the script kiddies. Let me know how I and others can help you with your computer problems. Have a nice day! "98 Guy" wrote in message ... If you don't know what I'm talking about, look he http://www.microsoft.com/technet/sec.../MS05-002.mspx If you're running Win 98, and have recently (within the past week) gone to Windows Updates and updated your computer, you almost certainly now have the file "KB891711.EXE" running in the background. It is set to run automatically at startup. First time any such update or security patch has been configured to operate (instead of simply replacing an existing file). Even though Micro$loth sez that MS05-002 (KB891711.EXE) is critical for Win-98, I've read where some (many) people are simply deactivating it (via msconfig). Does anyone really know the truth regarding Win-98 and KB891711.EXE? Is there anything special about it (like running it in safe mode to properly install it) ? Is it really needed? (for win-98) ? Is Win-98 really vulnerable to MS05-002 ??? |
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