problem running IE 5 on Win98 ??

Robert Macy wrote:
On May 17, 6:03 am, "dadiOH" wrote:
Robert Macy wrote:
On May 16, 8:20 am, "dadiOH" wrote:
Robert Macy wrote:
Solution, well a bit of a solution, was to empty delete folder,
close application, reboot, ...then empty a chunk of the offending
folder, empty the delete folder, and then close app and reboot.
Only took six cycles of that to completely empty FOLDER01. One
side note, even thought these were totally local folders and local
operations, OE5 would NOT let me touch anything unless I was
online and logged into the ISP that will soon be disappearing!

The implications of that are horrific. Even though I have stored
all the emails in local folders, when I can no longer log onto
the ISP; I can't do anything with the contents of those local
folders! Another fine example of logic from MS.

Nothing is either horrific or illogical. If they are on your
machine they are completely independent of both ISP and being
online; neither is necessary. You can do anything you want with
the mail messages...save them as files outside of OE's dbx files,
delete them, read them, reply to them...anything.

One thing you might want to do is compact them via OE; that or save
them in a non-dbx folder and zip the folder; once saved in non-dbx
folder - zipped or not - you can delete the originals that are
still in OE's dbx. If not zipped, clicking on one will open it
with OE; ditto if zipped though you might have to extract it first.
Interesting. However, I could NOT move, nor delete any thing in the
local folders, unless I was online with the ISP. OE5 wouldn't let me
touch anything.

Because you did not have them on your machine...they were on the
server. __________

If not saved as .dbx just for OE5; what format aill the emails be
saved in?

If you have them on your machine and in OE, they WILL be and HAVE to
be stored as data - not files, not emails - in the dbx files. That
does NOT mean you cannot move individual emails somewhere else. To
do so, all you need do is select one or more emails (NOT OE folders)
in the pane showing them and drag or Save as to wherever you want
them. They will be saved as whatever.eml

In OE, the emails are saved as data in dbx files to conserve space.
If stored as individual files they would each use a minumum of 4096
bytes which is the smallest possible allocation unit. That's why I
suggest zipping emails moved elsewhere as those files ARE individual
files.

If you do move them out of OE, you still have the same data (emails)
in OE's dbx files. No reason for it to be there, so you can delete
those emails now duplicated elsewhere from OE.

If you click on an email stored out of OE, your default email
program will open, open the email and display it.

If for some obscure reason you want to copy a moved email TO the OE
dbx file, open OE and drag the file back to where you got it.

the emails ARE downloaded from the server and have been deleted at the
server and no lnoger even have a folder for these emails. yet I CANNOT
do anything with the local folder structures unless logged into the
soon defunct server!

In OE and not online, can you make new "folders"?; reply to an email and
save the reply?; move an email message from one OE "folder" to another?
create a new email to someone and save it? Which if any?

--

dadiOH
____________________________

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....a help file of info about MP3s, recording from
LP/cassette and tips & tricks on this and that.
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On May 17, 9:52*am, "dadiOH" wrote:
Robert Macy wrote:
On May 17, 6:03 am, "dadiOH" wrote:
Robert Macy wrote:
On May 16, 8:20 am, "dadiOH" wrote:
Robert Macy wrote:
Solution, well a bit of a solution, was to empty delete folder,
close application, reboot, ...then empty a chunk of the offending
folder, empty the delete folder, and then close app and reboot.
Only took six cycles of that to completely empty FOLDER01. One
side note, even thought these were totally local folders and local
operations, OE5 would NOT let me touch anything unless I was
online and logged into the ISP that will soon be disappearing!

The implications of that are horrific. Even though I have stored
all the emails in local folders, when I can no longer log onto
the ISP; I can't do anything with the contents of those local
folders! Another fine example of logic from MS.

Nothing is either horrific or illogical. If they are on your
machine they are completely independent of both ISP and being
online; neither is necessary. You can do anything you want with
the mail messages...save them as files outside of OE's dbx files,
delete them, read them, reply to them...anything.

One thing you might want to do is compact them via OE; that or save
them in a non-dbx folder and zip the folder; once saved in non-dbx
folder - zipped or not - you can delete the originals that are
still in OE's dbx. If not zipped, clicking on one will open it
with OE; ditto if zipped though you might have to extract it first.
Interesting. However, I could NOT move, nor delete any thing in the
local folders, unless I was online with the ISP. OE5 wouldn't let me
touch anything.

Because you did not have them on your machine...they were on the
server. __________

If not saved as .dbx just for OE5; what format aill the emails be
saved in?

If you have them on your machine and in OE, they WILL be and HAVE to
be stored as data - not files, not emails - in the dbx files. That
does NOT mean you cannot move individual emails somewhere else. To
do so, all you need do is select one or more emails (NOT OE folders)
in the pane showing them and drag or Save as to wherever you want
them. They will be saved as whatever.eml

In OE, the emails are saved as data in dbx files to conserve space.
If stored as individual files they would each use a minumum of 4096
bytes which is the smallest possible allocation unit. That's why I
suggest zipping emails moved elsewhere as those files ARE individual
files.

If you do move them out of OE, you still have the same data (emails)
in OE's dbx files. No reason for it to be there, so you can delete
those emails now duplicated elsewhere from OE.

If you click on an email stored out of OE, your default email
program will open, open the email and display it.

If for some obscure reason you want to copy a moved email TO the OE
dbx file, open OE and drag the file back to where you got it.
the emails ARE downloaded from the server and have been deleted at the
server and no lnoger even have a folder for these emails. yet I CANNOT
do anything with the local folder structures unless logged into the
soon defunct server!

In OE and not online, can you make new "folders"?; reply to an email and
save the reply?; move an email message from one OE "folder" to another?
create a new email to someone and save it? * Which if any?

--

dadiOH
____________________________

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Hmmm. Haven't tried that, that would be using OE5. And, OE5 was not
to be used for anything but this one time archiving of emails.

Thanks for the tips.

Robert Macy wrote:


Hmmm. Haven't tried that, that would be using OE5. And, OE5 was not
to be used for anything but this one time archiving of emails.

Thanks for the tips.

So where were the dbx files you were talking about? And what mail client
*were* you using?

--

dadiOH
____________________________

dadiOH's dandies v3.06...
....a help file of info about MP3s, recording from
LP/cassette and tips & tricks on this and that.
Get it at http://mysite.verizon.net/xico

On May 18, 1:17*pm, "dadiOH" wrote:
Robert Macy wrote:

Hmmm. *Haven't tried that, that would be using OE5. *And, OE5 was not
to be used for anything but this one time archiving of emails.

Thanks for the tips.

So where were the dbx files you were talking about? *And what mail client
*were* you using?

--

dadiOH
____________________________

dadiOH's dandies v3.06...
...a help file of info about MP3s, recording from
LP/cassette and tips & tricks on this and that.
Get it athttp://mysite.verizon.net/xico

the .dbx files are associated with OE5 and were newly created during
the archiving process

Historically handle email using the ISP's built in functions - they
have incredible spam/virii walls compared to what I install.plus most
of the email functions from the ISP are 'text only' which I prefer.

Robert Macy wrote:
On May 18, 1:17 pm, "dadiOH" wrote:
Robert Macy wrote:

Hmmm. Haven't tried that, that would be using OE5. And, OE5 was not
to be used for anything but this one time archiving of emails.

Thanks for the tips.

So where were the dbx files you were talking about? And what mail
client *were* you using?

the .dbx files are associated with OE5 and were newly created during
the archiving process

Historically handle email using the ISP's built in functions - they
have incredible spam/virii walls compared to what I install.plus most
of the email functions from the ISP are 'text only' which I prefer.

1. Your ISP's virus/spam filters are just as effective if you use OE to read
the mail as they are applied on arrival at the ISP which is where OE gets
them. Any anti-badware stuff on your machine is - regarding mail - added
protection for anything that slipped through the ISP's stuff.

2. You do know, I hope, that OE can be set to text only for both reading and
sending?



--

dadiOH
____________________________

dadiOH's dandies v3.06...
....a help file of info about MP3s, recording from
LP/cassette and tips & tricks on this and that.
Get it at http://mysite.verizon.net/xico

On May 20, 4:22*am, "dadiOH" wrote:
Robert Macy wrote:
On May 18, 1:17 pm, "dadiOH" wrote:
Robert Macy wrote:

Hmmm. Haven't tried that, that would be using OE5. And, OE5 was not
to be used for anything but this one time archiving of emails.

Thanks for the tips.

So where were the dbx files you were talking about? And what mail
client *were* you using?
the .dbx files are associated with OE5 and were newly created during
the archiving process

Historically handle email using the ISP's built in functions - they
have incredible spam/virii walls compared to what I install.plus most
of the email functions from the ISP are 'text only' which I prefer.

1. Your ISP's virus/spam filters are just as effective if you use OE to read
the mail as they are applied on arrival at the ISP which is where OE gets
them. *Any anti-badware stuff on your machine is - regarding mail - added
protection for anything that slipped through the ISP's stuff.

2. You do know, I hope, that OE can be set to text only for both reading and
sending?

--

dadiOH
____________________________

dadiOH's dandies v3.06...
...a help file of info about MP3s, recording from
LP/cassette and tips & tricks on this and that.
Get it athttp://mysite.verizon.net/xico- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Yes, but recall the requirement for multiple access from remote/
unknown sites to the email.

This is just a one shot archive as the ISP ceases to exist. Probably
like the stacks of magazines, never to be looked at again ...but just
in case.