Can't enable file sharing; secur32.dll needed but not on CD

I am trying to get Windows (SMB) file sharing working on a Win98SE
machine in preparation for migrating to Windows XP, believing that
migration will be easier if the two machines can exchange files over
the network. The Win98SE machine is a Gateway machine purchased circa
2000 which came with a Gateway-badged OEM version of Windows 98. The
machine belongs to my wife who is not technical but is computer-
literate and has done a reasonably systematic job of maintaining the
system, e.g. installing Microsoft-required updates over the Internet.
The machine is connected to the Internet via an Ethernet card and DSL,
and all Internet networking has been stable for years. File sharing
has never been enabled on this machine.

When I explore Network Neighborhood, Windows Network, it informs me
that it cannot log on to the network and suggests looking up Network
Troubleshooter in Help. When I do this, Help offers to open the
Network Troubleshooter for me. When I click on the link, nothing
happens.

When I go into Settings, Control Panel, Network, there is what appears
to be a relevant item named something like "Client for Microsoft
Networks." When I examine its properties, they are something like name
= 0031415926 and workgroup = OEMworkgroup. When I change the name to
my wife's first name, and the workgroup to "workgroup," and press
Apply, it complains that it needs "secur32.dll" and prompts me to
insert my Windows 98 CD.

My wife has a CD album in which she says she has every software CD she
has ever received, including all those that originally came with the
machine, and I believe her. There is only one "Windows" CD. It has a
Gateway logo on it and says something like "Windows 98 Operating
System Backup CD." When I insert it, wait for it to mount, and press
OK, I get an error message saying that secur32.dll could not be found
on it.

Any thoughts on a) how I get file sharing enabled on this machine? b)
Why the Help system can't launch the Network Troubleshooter? c) Why it
should be necessary to install new software just to turn on file
sharing? d) Why the files it says it needs aren't on the CD it says I
should insert?

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| I am trying to get Windows (SMB) file sharing working on a Win98SE
| machine in preparation for migrating to Windows XP, believing that
| migration will be easier if the two machines can exchange files over
| the network. The Win98SE machine is a Gateway machine purchased circa
| 2000 which came with a Gateway-badged OEM version of Windows 98. The
| machine belongs to my wife who is not technical but is computer-
| literate and has done a reasonably systematic job of maintaining the
| system, e.g. installing Microsoft-required updates over the Internet.
| The machine is connected to the Internet via an Ethernet card and DSL,
| and all Internet networking has been stable for years. File sharing
| has never been enabled on this machine.

Okay, glad to hear the updates were applied. You should run the XP checking
tool to ensure the system can completely support XP before attempting the
changeover.

|
| When I explore Network Neighborhood, Windows Network, it informs me
| that it cannot log on to the network and suggests looking up Network
| Troubleshooter in Help. When I do this, Help offers to open the
| Network Troubleshooter for me. When I click on the link, nothing
| happens.

Trouble shooting, the need for web page like access, was disabled by
Microsoft due to security reasons. You can search in the group for old
discussions relating to this, or wait and we will likely walk you through
them again. PCR may have collated these older discussions into a master
post, and Glen, Gary, and most of the regulars have all handled this before.

Beyond that, please post your network settings for the card/device used for
networking, the addresses of computers, user and server names and work group
names, etc. as these will help locate and define your problem.

|
| When I go into Settings, Control Panel, Network, there is what appears
| to be a relevant item named something like "Client for Microsoft
| Networks." When I examine its properties, they are something like name
| = 0031415926 and workgroup = OEMworkgroup. When I change the name to
| my wife's first name, and the workgroup to "workgroup," and press
| Apply, it complains that it needs "secur32.dll" and prompts me to
| insert my Windows 98 CD.

Your potential issues likely revolves around DUN and secur32.dll; other
networking uses it as well; with a few minor adjustments to your networking
settings.

http://support.microsoft.com/search/...cur32.dll&adv=

|
| My wife has a CD album in which she says she has every software CD she
| has ever received, including all those that originally came with the
| machine, and I believe her. There is only one "Windows" CD. It has a
| Gateway logo on it and says something like "Windows 98 Operating
| System Backup CD." When I insert it, wait for it to mount, and press
| OK, I get an error message saying that secur32.dll could not be found
| on it.

You don't want the CDROM version anyway. It was updated.

|
| Any thoughts on a) how I get file sharing enabled on this machine? b)
| Why the Help system can't launch the Network Troubleshooter? c) Why it
| should be necessary to install new software just to turn on file
| sharing? d) Why the files it says it needs aren't on the CD it says I
| should insert?
|

You ran through the initial activities and found the problems now
associated with the trouble shooting; the group just needs some information
to understand your particular system.

b) has been answered
c) it is standard for Windows to look for the CDROM during changes, unless
you have on disk folders [such as %windir%\Options\Cabs] containing these
files. Many times you can just direct the query to the systems folder and it
will use the already installed and updated files.
d) Several reasons: the file(s) was/were included in other programs or
updates files; looking for specific versions of files; location is wrong or
registry contains invalid information; ...

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I am trying to get Windows (SMB) file sharing working on a Win98SE
machine in preparation for migrating to Windows XP, believing that
migration will be easier if the two machines can exchange files over
the network. The Win98SE machine is a Gateway machine purchased circa
2000 which came with a Gateway-badged OEM version of Windows 98. The
machine belongs to my wife who is not technical but is computer-
literate and has done a reasonably systematic job of maintaining the
system, e.g. installing Microsoft-required updates over the Internet.
The machine is connected to the Internet via an Ethernet card and DSL,
and all Internet networking has been stable for years. File sharing
has never been enabled on this machine.

You may want to wait on the file sharing until you have XP installed. XP Home and
Pro handle file sharing differently, by default "Simple file sharing" is enabled and
can be easily disabled in XP Pro. However in XP Home you must log into Safe Mode as
the Administrator to be able to disable "Simple file sharing", as well, XP Pro is
much more secure when it comes to networking.
To make networking and file sharing easier and more secure I suggest purchasing a
NAT router w/DHCP that has the number of ports needed for the present or for any
future machine additions.

I also second MEBs suggestion to check for XP compatibility:
Upgrading from Previous Versions of Windows
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/p...ing/matrix.asp

Never mind the XP Pro mentioning, the requirements for Home and Pro are basically the
same.
System Requirements:
Windows XP Professional System Requirements
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/p...on/sysreqs.asp

And to further the process, your hardware/software may not be up to date for XP. You
can check by using the upgrade advisor download indirectly he
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/h...heckcompat.asp

or here directly
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/h...ng/advisor.asp

However I would suggest, if you have a friend with an XP CD you can run the advisor
from it, the download is approx. 32MB.

or check here by typing in the hardware you want to check:
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/h...ing/compat.asp

Windows XP Professional Upgrade Center
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/p...g/default.mspx

Quick Upgrade to Windows XP
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/u...tallquick.mspx


When I explore Network Neighborhood, Windows Network, it informs me
that it cannot log on to the network and suggests looking up Network
Troubleshooter in Help. When I do this, Help offers to open the
Network Troubleshooter for me. When I click on the link, nothing
happens.

See: http://basconotw.mvps.org/98_help.htm

There are 2 separate critical updates that caused the TShoot Wizards to stop working.
For more info and ways to use the wizards, see:
1st occurrence:
If you do not already have "Show All Files" checked in folder options, you need to
do that first.
To show all files, open My Computer, click on View Folder Options View tab. Under
the heading Hidden Files place a check next to Show All Files, Apply/Ok out.
Now find the Tshoot.inf file which should be in c:\windows\inf, right click on it and
select Install from the popup list. Have your Win cd on hand.

Second occurrence, only has workarounds to use the Tshoot Wizards:
This is because the latest critical update (Q824145) places a kill bit on the ActiveX
control tshoot.ocx. What is not recommended is removing the update or the kill bit
altogether as this will open up the vulnerabilities the update fixes, which is more
than killing tshoot.ocx. MS-MVP George (Bindar Dundat) has created a fix that will
open the tshooter and remove the kill bit. Once you close the tshooter it replaces
the kill bit.

If Georges utility fails:
810847 was the first crit.update that broke the help wizards functionality.

811630 was a patch that re-enabled the help wizards functionality.

824145 was the second crit. update which broke the help wizards again and "for good".



If you do not already have "Show All Files" checked in folder options, you need to do
that first.
To show all files, open My Computer, click on View Folder Options View tab. Under
the heading Hidden Files place a check next to Show All Files, Apply/Ok out.
Now find the Tshoot.inf file which should be in c:\windows\inf, right click on it and
select Install from the popup list. Have your Win cd on hand. Use find to locate
Tshoot.inf, should be in c:\windows\inf.

Right click Tshoot.inf.

Click Install in the popup menu.

Close out and try Georges Tshoot fix again.



When I go into Settings, Control Panel, Network, there is what appears
to be a relevant item named something like "Client for Microsoft
Networks." When I examine its properties, they are something like name
= 0031415926 and workgroup = OEMworkgroup. When I change the name to
my wife's first name, and the workgroup to "workgroup," and press
Apply, it complains that it needs "secur32.dll" and prompts me to
insert my Windows 98 CD.

My wife has a CD album in which she says she has every software CD she
has ever received, including all those that originally came with the
machine, and I believe her. There is only one "Windows" CD. It has a
Gateway logo on it and says something like "Windows 98 Operating
System Backup CD." When I insert it, wait for it to mount, and press
OK, I get an error message saying that secur32.dll could not be found
on it.

Any thoughts on a) how I get file sharing enabled on this machine? b)
Why the Help system can't launch the Network Troubleshooter? c) Why it
should be necessary to install new software just to turn on file
sharing? d) Why the files it says it needs aren't on the CD it says I
should insert?



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