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Old March 26th 10, 05:18 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsme.general
Shane[_16_]
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Without analysing further, it's safe to say it's supposedly filtering spam
isn't it. Like a really, really lazy approach to rule making. Does this
reflect the priority almost bordering on contempt they have for the legacy
groups? Or are the still supported system groups also so badly filtered?

Shane

Mike M wrote:
Mike M wrote:

Yes, No 4 or 4a. however 4a1, 4a2 and 4a3 have all appeared.


And lo & behold 4a1 has now been deleted!

Mike



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Old March 26th 10, 05:39 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsme.general
Mike M
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Shane facetious'r'.us wrote:

Without analysing further, it's safe to say it's supposedly filtering
spam isn't it. Like a really, really lazy approach to rule making.
Does this reflect the priority almost bordering on contempt they have
for the legacy groups? Or are the still supported system groups also
so badly filtered?


Put simply, those involved at MS simply don't give a damn about those
wishing to use nntp. Support's long since been flushed down the tubes. All
that MS now cares about is Bing Bong, Windows Dead and how many
boxes/licenses they can flog. End users no longer feature in their plans.

As for rule making, those involved know little about rule making and
expressions and when I last had dealings with them were simply filtering on
specific character strings which is why the spammers found it so easy to
return time and time again although I have to admit that MS do seem to have
managed to reduce spam nowadays to a trickle.
--
Mike

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Old March 27th 10, 01:09 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsme.general
98 Guy
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Posts: 2,951
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Mike M wrote:

Put simply, those involved at MS simply don't give a damn about
those wishing to use nntp.


What exactly is wrong with you people?

News flash: You don't need to point your news reader to microsoft.com
in order to read and post to these microsoft.public.what-ever
newsgroups.

Try nntp.aioe.org instead.

When microsoft removes windowsme and win98 newsgroups from their server,
those groups will still be active and available on the rest of the
world's usenet servers. And you people will be left in the dark.
  #4  
Old March 27th 10, 08:23 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsme.general
Mike M
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You really are completely clueless aren't you?

Posting to the MS nntp servers is necessary for two reasons:
a) To verify that the MS servers are incorrectly filtering valid posts and
to get that fixed if possible,
b) To ensure that those who use the MS servers are able to read all messages
posted to this NG.

May I suggest you go back to playing with your dolls and in future only post
here if and when you have something useful to contribute.

MM


Totally Clueless 98 Guy wrote:

Mike M wrote:

Put simply, those involved at MS simply don't give a damn about
those wishing to use nntp.


What exactly is wrong with you people?

News flash: You don't need to point your news reader to microsoft.com
in order to read and post to these microsoft.public.what-ever
newsgroups.

Try nntp.aioe.org instead.

When microsoft removes windowsme and win98 newsgroups from their
server, those groups will still be active and available on the rest
of the world's usenet servers. And you people will be left in the
dark.


  #5  
Old March 27th 10, 01:46 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsme.general
98 Guy
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Mike M top-poasted:

You really are completely clueless aren't you?


You're the clueless one, and I'll explain why.

Posting to the MS nntp servers is necessary for two reasons:

a) To verify that the MS servers are incorrectly filtering
valid posts and to get that fixed if possible,


You have the impression that the only place or the only server where you
can read and post messages to this newsgroun is hosted by Microsoft, and
that you must spend your energy to do what it takes so that server
operates correctly.

The reality is that microsoft operates their NNTP server on an absentee
basis. It has never been shown (not at least during the past 10 years)
that any resonsible person can be reached at micrsofot who administers
their server or who is in a position to change, improve, fix how they
operate.

And microsoft is, by far, NOT the only server where you can read and
post messages to this newsgroup. Microsoft does not control these
microsoft.* newsgroups, or act in any way as a central organizer,
aggregator, or maintainer of them. I am making this post via the
aioe.org server, and it is one of many usener PEERS, just as microsoft's
servers are also PEERS. This post that I'm making will be transmitted
between usenet peering servers, and will eventually reach microsoft's
server where it will be accepted and made available to those that read
messages directly from the microsoft server.

If the rules on the microsoft server are faulty or applied incorrectly,
such that the MS server rejects my post, that rejection has no effect on
whether or not other servers around the world will carry my post (they
almost certainly will, with no regard or knowledge if microsoft rejected
it).

b) To ensure that those who use the MS servers are able to read
all messages posted to this NG.


It is more pragmatic and practical to simply change your news server
rather than make a futile attempt to engage some anonymous microsoft
sys-admin and get them to realize there is a problem with how they are
administering their servers and get them to fix it.

May I suggest you go back to playing with your dolls and in
future only post here if and when you have something useful
to contribute.


You may suggest it, but others reading this will realize that I am
making a logical and effective recommendation as to how to handle this
problem that you and others are experiencing, and that your name calling
and child-like language reflects a juvenille intellect and inability to
discuss technical issues like an adult.
  #6  
Old March 27th 10, 02:00 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsme.general
Mike M
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Posts: 2,047
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You really are stupid and simply do not have a clue and know nothing about
how Microsoft manage their nntp servers.

For example I can easily demonstrate that:

It has never been shown (not at least during the
past 10 years) that any resonsible person can be reached at micrsofot
who administers their server or who is in a position to change,


Is untrue but then again why waste my time on an idiot such as yourself who
demonstrably knows little and has nothing to contribute. In other words is
a total waste of space and air.

If I simply want to have a conversation with Shane all I need do is e-mail
him or better pick up the phone but then again, you're too stupid to even
understand that.

PLONK

MM


98 Guy wrote:

Mike M top-poasted:

You really are completely clueless aren't you?


You're the clueless one, and I'll explain why.

Posting to the MS nntp servers is necessary for two reasons:

a) To verify that the MS servers are incorrectly filtering
valid posts and to get that fixed if possible,


You have the impression that the only place or the only server where
you can read and post messages to this newsgroun is hosted by
Microsoft, and that you must spend your energy to do what it takes so
that server operates correctly.

The reality is that microsoft operates their NNTP server on an
absentee basis. It has never been shown (not at least during the
past 10 years) that any resonsible person can be reached at micrsofot
who administers their server or who is in a position to change,
improve, fix how they operate.

And microsoft is, by far, NOT the only server where you can read and
post messages to this newsgroup. Microsoft does not control these
microsoft.* newsgroups, or act in any way as a central organizer,
aggregator, or maintainer of them. I am making this post via the
aioe.org server, and it is one of many usener PEERS, just as
microsoft's servers are also PEERS. This post that I'm making will
be transmitted between usenet peering servers, and will eventually
reach microsoft's server where it will be accepted and made available
to those that read messages directly from the microsoft server.

If the rules on the microsoft server are faulty or applied
incorrectly, such that the MS server rejects my post, that rejection
has no effect on whether or not other servers around the world will
carry my post (they almost certainly will, with no regard or
knowledge if microsoft rejected it).

b) To ensure that those who use the MS servers are able to read
all messages posted to this NG.


It is more pragmatic and practical to simply change your news server
rather than make a futile attempt to engage some anonymous microsoft
sys-admin and get them to realize there is a problem with how they are
administering their servers and get them to fix it.

May I suggest you go back to playing with your dolls and in
future only post here if and when you have something useful
to contribute.


You may suggest it, but others reading this will realize that I am
making a logical and effective recommendation as to how to handle this
problem that you and others are experiencing, and that your name
calling and child-like language reflects a juvenille intellect and
inability to discuss technical issues like an adult.


  #7  
Old March 27th 10, 02:22 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsme.general
98 Guy
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Posts: 2,951
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Full-Quoter Mike M top-poasted:

You really are stupid and simply do not have a clue and know
nothing about how Microsoft manage their nntp servers.


I never said that I knew *how* microsoft manages their news servers -
only that they do it poorly - if at all.

A significant amount of spam that is posted to the microsoft.public
hierarchy comes directly via microsoft's servers, because the microsoft
sys-admins have not implimented simple filters that detect when the same
user is posting dozens or hundreds of messages- one to each and every
microsoft.public newsgroup over a short period of time.

For example I can easily demonstrate that:

It has never been shown (not at least during the
past 10 years) that any resonsible person can be reached
at micrsofot who administers their server or who is in
a position to change,


Is untrue but then again why waste my time


Please post a URL showing that a real microsoft sys-admin responded in a
comment or complaint or at least engaged in a discussion about the
microsoft NNTP servers.

If it was worth your time to assert that such a post exists, it's
certainly worth your time to prove the credibility of the statements you
post.

yourself who demonstrably knows little and has nothing
to contribute.


How exactly did I demonstrate that I "know little"?

I said that there is a history of inattention and inactivity when it
comes to how microsoft sys-admins administer and operate their server.
You can prove me wrong by posting evidence to the contrary.

I said that Microsoft (or their servers) plays no role in the operation
of these newsgroups on a world-wide basis. You have said nothing
specifically about that statement, so either you are unsure of that fact
or you agree with it.

I am contributing to solving this problem by offering an effective and
simple solution (use a different NNTP server). You offer no viable
solution.

In other words is a total waste of space and air.


You are the one spouting hot-air here, not I. I am making concise
statements that I assert are true, you rant like a child and say they
are not true while offering nothing to back up your point of view.

If I simply want to have a conversation with Shane all I
need do is e-mail him or better pick up the phone but then
again, you're too stupid to even understand that.


Who is Shane?
  #8  
Old March 27th 10, 04:34 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsme.general
John John - MVP
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Ha! ha! ...go play with his dolls! Priceless! You haven't lost your
edge Mike, give them trolls more of those well deserved gems!

John

Mike M wrote:
You really are completely clueless aren't you?

Posting to the MS nntp servers is necessary for two reasons:
a) To verify that the MS servers are incorrectly filtering valid posts
and to get that fixed if possible,
b) To ensure that those who use the MS servers are able to read all
messages posted to this NG.

May I suggest you go back to playing with your dolls and in future only
post here if and when you have something useful to contribute.

MM


Totally Clueless 98 Guy wrote:

Mike M wrote:

Put simply, those involved at MS simply don't give a damn about
those wishing to use nntp.


What exactly is wrong with you people?

News flash: You don't need to point your news reader to microsoft.com
in order to read and post to these microsoft.public.what-ever
newsgroups.

Try nntp.aioe.org instead.

When microsoft removes windowsme and win98 newsgroups from their
server, those groups will still be active and available on the rest
of the world's usenet servers. And you people will be left in the
dark.


  #9  
Old March 27th 10, 07:47 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsme.general
Heather[_3_]
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Posts: 58
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YO JJ.....haven't seen you for a long time, and I was giggling over this
FOOL daring to tell Mike he didn't know what he was talking
about........ROFL!!

Mike........you were actually more polite than I would have been........I
deleted that post in the interests of hanging on to a shred of ladylike
behaviour, lol.

JJ......With any kind of luck, heading to PEI this summer, but have to wait
a bit for some medical tests, etc. However, we will probably fly into
Charlottetown and not be down your way.

Cheers.....Heather

"John John - MVP" wrote in message
...
Ha! ha! ...go play with his dolls! Priceless! You haven't lost your
edge Mike, give them trolls more of those well deserved gems!

John

Mike M wrote:
You really are completely clueless aren't you?

Posting to the MS nntp servers is necessary for two reasons:
a) To verify that the MS servers are incorrectly filtering valid posts
and to get that fixed if possible,
b) To ensure that those who use the MS servers are able to read all
messages posted to this NG.

May I suggest you go back to playing with your dolls and in future only
post here if and when you have something useful to contribute.

MM


Totally Clueless 98 Guy wrote:

Mike M wrote:

Put simply, those involved at MS simply don't give a damn about
those wishing to use nntp.

What exactly is wrong with you people?

News flash: You don't need to point your news reader to microsoft.com
in order to read and post to these microsoft.public.what-ever
newsgroups.

Try nntp.aioe.org instead.

When microsoft removes windowsme and win98 newsgroups from their
server, those groups will still be active and available on the rest
of the world's usenet servers. And you people will be left in the
dark.




  #10  
Old March 28th 10, 11:23 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsme.general
Mike M
External Usenet User
 
Posts: 2,047
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John John - MVP wrote:

Ha! ha! ...go play with his dolls! Priceless! You haven't lost your
edge Mike, give them trolls more of those well deserved gems!


My first reply was deleted from the MS servers but did propagate to UseNet.
I've reported it below and double spaced the offensive word that caused it
to be deleted.

Thanks JJ,

It's very rare for me to feel the need to Plonk someone and actually do it
but on this o c c a s i o n I have done so with some pleasure. :-)

BTW I've now determined two or three very simple and innocuous English
language character strings that when posted to the MS nntp servers result in
the post being deleted. Others such strings obviously exist but these are
three strings that can and do appear in normal polite text.
--
Mike


 




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