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  #21  
Old October 22nd 06, 09:42 PM posted to microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion,microsoft.public.win98.internet,microsoft.public.win98.networking,microsoft.public.win98.setup
Franc Zabkar
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On Sun, 22 Oct 2006 11:12:48 +0800, "Herbert Chan"
put finger to keyboard and composed:

Wow, the following information is pretty marvelous. I've no idea the details
of the ISP is so readily available.

It also indeed seems odd that if the computer will somehow jump to dialup on
its own accord. Right now, I've just tried the most primitive thing: I've
pulled the plug from my faxmodem and I haven't lost the connection for a
day. Hope this will be the solution.


I'd still look at your modemlog to see if Dial-Up Networking has
logged any connection attempts. Maybe you have a rogue app or dialer
on your machine.

See http://www.modemsite.com/56k/modemlog.asp

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  #22  
Old October 22nd 06, 10:18 PM posted to microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion,microsoft.public.win98.internet,microsoft.public.win98.networking,microsoft.public.win98.setup
glee
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"Franc Zabkar" wrote in message
news
On Sun, 22 Oct 2006 11:12:48 +0800, "Herbert Chan"
put finger to keyboard and composed:

Wow, the following information is pretty marvelous. I've no idea the details
of the ISP is so readily available.

It also indeed seems odd that if the computer will somehow jump to dialup on
its own accord. Right now, I've just tried the most primitive thing: I've
pulled the plug from my faxmodem and I haven't lost the connection for a
day. Hope this will be the solution.


I'd still look at your modemlog to see if Dial-Up Networking has
logged any connection attempts. Maybe you have a rogue app or dialer
on your machine.

See http://www.modemsite.com/56k/modemlog.asp


Ah, good point, Franc.
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  #23  
Old October 23rd 06, 12:55 AM posted to microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion,microsoft.public.win98.internet,microsoft.public.win98.networking,microsoft.public.win98.setup
James Egan
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On Sun, 22 Oct 2006 13:52:24 -0400, "glee"
wrote:

you must have a far better idea. What is it?


Find out what the problem ACTUALLY is. Then come up with a solution.


Well, we're waiting for you to do that....be my guest! You've entered the thread to
criticise everything offered, but what do you have to contribute to finding out what
the problem is?


There is not enough information presented yet to identify the problem.
This is why I asked the OP to look at specific dialer settings and
post a routing table.

I know the solution ISN'T to uninstall dial up networking. That's the
workaround answer you might get from an uninformed tech support
operative trying to get rid of you on the phone. In these newsgroups
we can be a little more thorough unless the OP is encouraged to make a
half baked workaround and consequently doesn't respond with requested
follow ups.


Jim.

  #24  
Old October 23rd 06, 01:13 AM posted to microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion,microsoft.public.win98.internet,microsoft.public.win98.networking,microsoft.public.win98.setup
James Egan
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On Sun, 22 Oct 2006 03:07:26 -0700, "Gary S. Terhune"
wrote:

Workarounds are common in Windows precisely because whatever the "real
problem" is, it's often easier to use a workaround and live with it than it
is to fix the actual problem -- if the problem even *can* be fixed. Maybe
*you* are interested in this issue from some purely academic point of view,
but I'm sure that what Herbert wants is for the problem to go away


I want the issue to be resolved properly. It won't be if he accepts
that uninstalling DUN is as good as it gets.


Jim.

  #25  
Old October 23rd 06, 02:19 AM posted to microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion,microsoft.public.win98.internet,microsoft.public.win98.networking,microsoft.public.win98.setup
glee
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"James Egan" wrote in message
...

On Sun, 22 Oct 2006 13:52:24 -0400, "glee"
wrote:

you must have a far better idea. What is it?

Find out what the problem ACTUALLY is. Then come up with a solution.


Well, we're waiting for you to do that....be my guest! You've entered the thread
to
criticise everything offered, but what do you have to contribute to finding out
what
the problem is?


There is not enough information presented yet to identify the problem.
This is why I asked the OP to look at specific dialer settings and
post a routing table.

I know the solution ISN'T to uninstall dial up networking. That's the
workaround answer you might get from an uninformed tech support
operative trying to get rid of you on the phone. In these newsgroups
we can be a little more thorough unless the OP is encouraged to make a
half baked workaround and consequently doesn't respond with requested
follow ups.


Fair enough, and I see your point. This is a highly-crossposted thread, and I am
guessing you are replying from the networking group. The other replies are coming
from win98.gen_discussion AFAICS, where networking specialists do not often hang
about. Hopefully, the OP will reply to your request and you will find something. I
don't necessarily agree that workarounds are half-baked though....many are used for
issues where there are no other viable options.

I do agree though, that there *should* be no reason he can't have a stable broadband
connection and use DUN at the same time. I have done that without problem. Pardon
the long side debate. :-)
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  #26  
Old October 23rd 06, 02:21 AM posted to microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion,microsoft.public.win98.internet,microsoft.public.win98.networking,microsoft.public.win98.setup
Herbert Chan
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With the telephone line unplugged, I still eventually in the evening lost
connection. And I've forgotten to print the "route print" out. damn!

I'll turn the modem log on to see if indeed there is anything that tries to
dial the phone for me.

Herbert

"glee" hx.gbl...
"Franc Zabkar" wrote in message
news
On Sun, 22 Oct 2006 11:12:48 +0800, "Herbert Chan"
put finger to keyboard and composed:

Wow, the following information is pretty marvelous. I've no idea the
details
of the ISP is so readily available.

It also indeed seems odd that if the computer will somehow jump to dialup
on
its own accord. Right now, I've just tried the most primitive thing:
I've
pulled the plug from my faxmodem and I haven't lost the connection for a
day. Hope this will be the solution.


I'd still look at your modemlog to see if Dial-Up Networking has
logged any connection attempts. Maybe you have a rogue app or dialer
on your machine.

See http://www.modemsite.com/56k/modemlog.asp


Ah, good point, Franc.
--
Glen Ventura, MS MVP Shell/User, A+
http://dts-l.org/
http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm



  #27  
Old October 23rd 06, 02:45 AM posted to microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion,microsoft.public.win98.internet,microsoft.public.win98.networking,microsoft.public.win98.setup
Gary S. Terhune
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What *you* want is beside the point. It's what the OP wants that counts.
You're still insisting on the purist approach, and that isn't necessarily
the best approach for the OP. If OP can get along entirely without DUN, why
should he even bother diagnosing a problem that is eliminated by
uninstalling DUN? Please answer that question.

If at some point in the future OP needs DUN due to losing the broadband
connection, whether temporarily or permanently, he can then easily reinstate
it.

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS MVP Shell/User
http://grystmill.com/articles/cleanboot.htm
http://grystmill.com/articles/security.htm

"James Egan" wrote in message
...

On Sun, 22 Oct 2006 03:07:26 -0700, "Gary S. Terhune"
wrote:

Workarounds are common in Windows precisely because whatever the "real
problem" is, it's often easier to use a workaround and live with it than

it
is to fix the actual problem -- if the problem even *can* be fixed. Maybe
*you* are interested in this issue from some purely academic point of

view,
but I'm sure that what Herbert wants is for the problem to go away


I want the issue to be resolved properly. It won't be if he accepts
that uninstalling DUN is as good as it gets.


Jim.



  #28  
Old October 23rd 06, 02:47 AM posted to microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion,microsoft.public.win98.internet,microsoft.public.win98.networking,microsoft.public.win98.setup
Gary S. Terhune
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I'm a bit lost... Is DUN now uninstalled?

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS MVP Shell/User
http://grystmill.com/articles/cleanboot.htm
http://grystmill.com/articles/security.htm

"Herbert Chan" wrote in message
...
With the telephone line unplugged, I still eventually in the evening lost
connection. And I've forgotten to print the "route print" out. damn!

I'll turn the modem log on to see if indeed there is anything that tries

to
dial the phone for me.

Herbert

"glee"

hx.gbl...
"Franc Zabkar" wrote in message
news
On Sun, 22 Oct 2006 11:12:48 +0800, "Herbert Chan"
put finger to keyboard and composed:

Wow, the following information is pretty marvelous. I've no idea the
details
of the ISP is so readily available.

It also indeed seems odd that if the computer will somehow jump to

dialup
on
its own accord. Right now, I've just tried the most primitive thing:
I've
pulled the plug from my faxmodem and I haven't lost the connection for

a
day. Hope this will be the solution.

I'd still look at your modemlog to see if Dial-Up Networking has
logged any connection attempts. Maybe you have a rogue app or dialer
on your machine.

See http://www.modemsite.com/56k/modemlog.asp


Ah, good point, Franc.
--
Glen Ventura, MS MVP Shell/User, A+
http://dts-l.org/
http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm





  #29  
Old October 23rd 06, 05:12 AM posted to microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion,microsoft.public.win98.internet,microsoft.public.win98.networking,microsoft.public.win98.setup
Brian A
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"glee" wrote in message
...
If he's trying to get rid of the PPP Adapter, he would be looking at removing the
modem, not the NIC, wouldn't he? Or am I reading his post or your reply wrong
(wouldn't be the first time, eh?)?


No, you read it correctly, I mixed things up and together without notice. I was
more on track of disable/uninstall. I always prefer disable as a start testing point
and then uninstall/reinstall. If no help, time to start digging. I don't think PPP
or others of such can be disabled in the BIOS, can they? I've never seen an
integrated modem on a board


Either way, the basis of your suggestion holds....whichever he needs to remove, it
depends on whether it is integrated or not, as an integrated NIC *or* dial-up modem
will reinstall if only removed from DM instead of being disabled in the BIOS setup,
or in DM, IIRC.
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"Brian A" gonefish'n@afarawaylake wrote in message
...
I notice you mention the NIC being a network card, just to be sure, is it an
adapter card or is it integrated on the motherboard? If it's integrated you may
need to see if you can disable PPP in the BIOS or try disabling it in Device
Manager and see if it holds. If you simply unininstall it, I believe it will only
reinstall if it's integrated.

--

Brian A. Sesko { MS MVP_Shell/User }
Conflicts start where information lacks.
http://basconotw.mvps.org/

Suggested posting do's/don'ts: http://www.dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
How to ask a question: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/555375



"Herbert Chan" wrote in message
...
Hello,

My pc is win98se and I have a broadband internet connection.

I have been using the broadband for a few years. And since the beginning of
this year, my internet connection will be intermittently lost. At first, I
thought something was wrong with the modem, which is terayon TA-102. I have
called the ISP to replace it. However, the problem is still there. Then I
tried to get used to it. Whenever I lose the connection, I will need to
reboot my computer to get the connection back (the modem does not need to be
flipped off then on).

I called the technical support again today, and we've looked at the modem
and it didn't appear that my modem was failing to provide a signal for me.
Then I run winipcfg and see that there are 3 entries: PPP Adapter.,
Microsoft TV/Video Connection and Realtek 8139-series PCI NIC. PPP adapter
is for dialup connection and Realtek is the network card for broadband. The
technical support girl said win98se will sometimes switch from the network
card to PPP adapter, although she doesn't know under what circumstances this
will happen. And the problem I've got is because my computer has switched
on its own accord from the network card to PPP adapter.

So are there any ways to force the computer to only use the network card so
that it will always use the network card to get online? Or how can I
uninstall ppp adapter so that the computer can't even choose to switch back
to it?

Thanks.

Herbert





  #30  
Old October 23rd 06, 05:13 AM posted to microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion,microsoft.public.win98.internet,microsoft.public.win98.networking,microsoft.public.win98.setup
Herbert Chan
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It's not yet uninstalled.

With the information I've gathered here, I think I will do the following:

1. With nothing uninstalled, I will turn the modem log on and see anything
is trying to start any dialup session. I will also get the route print.
2. If nothing seems to be wrong with the modemlog and route print and I
still lose the internet signal, I will then try uninstalling DUN.

Hope everything will become ok after I've done step 2.

Herbert

"Gary S. Terhune" .gbl...
I'm a bit lost... Is DUN now uninstalled?

--
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MS MVP Shell/User
http://grystmill.com/articles/cleanboot.htm
http://grystmill.com/articles/security.htm

"Herbert Chan" wrote in message
...
With the telephone line unplugged, I still eventually in the evening lost
connection. And I've forgotten to print the "route print" out. damn!

I'll turn the modem log on to see if indeed there is anything that tries

to
dial the phone for me.

Herbert

"glee"

hx.gbl...
"Franc Zabkar" wrote in message
news On Sun, 22 Oct 2006 11:12:48 +0800, "Herbert Chan"
put finger to keyboard and composed:

Wow, the following information is pretty marvelous. I've no idea the
details
of the ISP is so readily available.

It also indeed seems odd that if the computer will somehow jump to

dialup
on
its own accord. Right now, I've just tried the most primitive thing:
I've
pulled the plug from my faxmodem and I haven't lost the connection for

a
day. Hope this will be the solution.

I'd still look at your modemlog to see if Dial-Up Networking has
logged any connection attempts. Maybe you have a rogue app or dialer
on your machine.

See http://www.modemsite.com/56k/modemlog.asp

Ah, good point, Franc.
--
Glen Ventura, MS MVP Shell/User, A+
http://dts-l.org/
http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm







 




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