New CCleaner Out

Let's try again. It seems as if the following post made at 07:54 BST this
morning was also removed from the server as was my subsequent attempt to
post it a few minutes ago. Let's see if I have more success with your
spoof e-mail address removed. If so you will know that it is the address
rather than the nic Alias that is being censored.

Quote
Indeed it appears that I owe you my apologies. I posted a message to this
thread at 23:56 BST last night and spoofed the from address to be Alias
and [Your spoof e-mail address edited out]. This message did appear here
but this morning (7:30 BST) it is no longer available. I responded to my
spoofed message three minutes later (23:59 BST) and that message is also
now missing. My spoofed post (but not my reply to it) can be seen in the
Google archive
http://groups.google.com/group/micro...3063 ce78ae2c

I am unclear as to why this is happening to you or rather to messages
posted using the nic "Alias". I'm pretty certain that this isn't an
intended ongoing censorship of your posts. As I mentioned, historically
Microsoft have not attempted to censor all posts from an individual, only
where they include profanity or abuse or include commercially sensitive
information, not where they simply criticise, using reasonable language, a
Microsoft product.
--
Mike Maltby



A wrote:

Mike M wrote:
Just don't let your paranoia bite you in the butt. I very much doubt
that you are being censored in any way unless you are using
profanities or being abusive to other posters. Microsoft rarely if
ever censor those criticising their products in the newsgroups
provided they keep the language clean and don't post cracks or
commercially sensitive information.

Do an experiment. Access windowsxp.general with MS's servers. Search
for "Alias" in the From field. Do the same thing with another
server. I guarantee you that they've been pulled from MS' server and
will still be on the other server, Google, or individual.net for
example. I have confirmed that and so have other posters on
windowsxp.general.
Not only will you see that these posts were censored by doing this,
you will see what content was censored.

A

This thread hasn't been deleted - yet :-))

--


Will Denny
MS-MVP Windows Shell/User
Please reply to the News Groups

"Mike M" wrote in message
...
Michael wrote:

They filtered out the word "alias" "@lias" and "@li@s" and/or the
email address. I don't know which. As I was not told why this was
done, I don't really know what it was due to.

I feel I'm seeing more than a touch of paranoia here. In all the years
I've been posting to msnews I have never known of a poster being censored
in the way that you claim and certainly never simply based on their
posting alias. I am however aware of many cases where synch problems
across the nntp server farm have led a user to become paranoid.
--
Mike Maltby

Hi Will,

So, correct me if I'm wrong.

Internationals and the Ashes are on Sky, with highlight shows on Channel 5,
and the rest is on Radio 5.

My uncle wants to know. I thought of you, when he asked! Personally my only
interest in cricket is whether 'we' beat 'David'.


Shane

Will Denny wrote:
This thread hasn't been deleted - yet :-))


"Mike M" wrote in message
...
Michael wrote:

They filtered out the word "alias" "@lias" and "@li@s" and/or the
email address. I don't know which. As I was not told why this was
done, I don't really know what it was due to.

I feel I'm seeing more than a touch of paranoia here. In all the
years I've been posting to msnews I have never known of a poster
being censored in the way that you claim and certainly never simply
based on their posting alias. I am however aware of many cases
where synch problems across the nntp server farm have led a user to
become paranoid. --
Mike Maltby

Will Denny wrote:

This thread hasn't been deleted - yet :-))

No,

But any post containing the text "aka @ [notme] masked and anonymous.org"
or that was posted from "aka @ [notme] masked and anonymous.org" has been
deleted. (Added spaces intentional). In a word, disgraceful.
--
Mike Maltby

Hi Shane

Yes we got David 'bye' the short and curlies last time :-)) Yup all the
cricket is on Sky - with highlights on C5.

--


Will Denny
MS-MVP Windows Shell/User
Please reply to the News Groups

"Shane" wrote in message
...
Hi Will,

So, correct me if I'm wrong.

Internationals and the Ashes are on Sky, with highlight shows on Channel
5, and the rest is on Radio 5.

My uncle wants to know. I thought of you, when he asked! Personally my
only interest in cricket is whether 'we' beat 'David'.


Shane

"Mike M" wrote in message
...
Will Denny wrote:

This thread hasn't been deleted - yet :-))

No,

But any post containing the text "aka @ [notme] masked and anonymous.org"
or that was posted from "aka @ [notme] masked and anonymous.org" has been
deleted. (Added spaces intentional). In a word, disgraceful.
--
Mike Maltby


I agree - it's very bad.

Will

They not only got your posts, they got all replies to your posts as well.
Our entire conversations regarding WGA are gone from the MS servers when I
reset the newsgroup.

--
Larry Samuels Associate Expert
MS-MVP (2001-2005)
Unofficial FAQ for Windows Server 2003 at
http://pelos.us/SERVER.htm
Expert Zone- www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone

"A" wrote in message
...
Mike M wrote:
Michael wrote:

They filtered out the word "alias" "@lias" and "@li@s" and/or the
email address. I don't know which. As I was not told why this was
done, I don't really know what it was due to.

I feel I'm seeing more than a touch of paranoia here. In all the years
I've been posting to msnews I have never known of a poster being censored
in the way that you claim and certainly never simply based on their
posting alias. I am however aware of many cases where synch problems
across the nntp server farm have led a user to become paranoid.

I am sure. In a thread I will see others posting before and after me,
using MS servers, mind you and mine say:

Error!
newsgroup server responded:no such article number in group

Perhaps the article has expired

(1525702)

Click here to remove all expired articles

How come older posts are not "expired" in the same thread? How come I can
still see the same post in another news server? How come other posters who
post with news.individual.net can see my posts on that server but see the
above notice when they access through MS' servers?

Perhaps it's because MS is finally realizing that WPA and WGA doesn't stop
pirates and only infuriates end users and doesn't like to be reminded by
the likes of me?

A

Will Denny wrote:
"Mike M" wrote in message
...
Will Denny wrote:

This thread hasn't been deleted - yet :-))
No,

But any post containing the text "aka @ [notme] masked and anonymous.org"
or that was posted from "aka @ [notme] masked and anonymous.org" has been
deleted. (Added spaces intentional). In a word, disgraceful.
--
Mike Maltby


I agree - it's very bad.

Will



I guess they are afraid that WGA will be the bane to Windows. Nothing
like knowing you have a legit copy of windows and going to WU,
downloading the new WGA, rebooting and having messages pop up saying
your Windows is counterfeit. End users must just love that. Instead of
removing this flawed program, when people point it out, they try and
sweep it under the rug. I hear there is going to be a new, "improved"
WGA next Tuesday. I won't download it but how many millions will?

Sigh.

A

Mike M wrote:
Let's try again. It seems as if the following post made at 07:54 BST this
morning was also removed from the server as was my subsequent attempt to
post it a few minutes ago. Let's see if I have more success with your
spoof e-mail address removed. If so you will know that it is the
address rather than the nic Alias that is being censored.

Quote
Indeed it appears that I owe you my apologies. I posted a message to
this thread at 23:56 BST last night and spoofed the from address to be
Alias and [Your spoof e-mail address edited out]. This message did
appear here but this morning (7:30 BST) it is no longer available. I
responded to my spoofed message three minutes later (23:59 BST) and that
message is also now missing. My spoofed post (but not my reply to it)
can be seen in the Google archive
http://groups.google.com/group/micro...3063 ce78ae2c


I am unclear as to why this is happening to you or rather to messages
posted using the nic "Alias". I'm pretty certain that this isn't an
intended ongoing censorship of your posts. As I mentioned, historically
Microsoft have not attempted to censor all posts from an individual, only
where they include profanity or abuse or include commercially sensitive
information, not where they simply criticise, using reasonable language, a
Microsoft product.

This post was censored:

Andrew Martin wrote:
We install WGA on dozens of computers every week but I have a
customer here who's pc will not install WGA without freezing the entire pc.

Everything has been perfectly working on this pc until automatic
updates tried to install the latest WGA but now it will not install no
matter how (automatic updates / activex control, etc). The whole system
hangs, we can't even hit cntl-alt-del or click anything with the mouse.

The Windows is definately legit, purchased from an MS authorized
vendor by us, not that this would make a difference anyway. Even if it
was not legit, it should just pop up the notification box and not cause
the whole system to hang. We just can't get it to do anything. I've
tried turning off all startup programs and system services, even tried
in safe mode with networking. Nothing works.

I tried the WGA diagnostic tool...it locks up too.

If anyone has an idea on this one let me know...I'm frustrated beyond
words.
Thanks,
Andrew

What's even more pathetic is that WGA ONLY benefits MS and does not
benefit the end user in any way.

Have you tried System Restore?

No profanity, no abuse, just my opinion, one I consider to be true.

A

I hear there is going to be a new, "improved"
WGA next Tuesday. I won't download it but how many millions will?

Do you mean to replace that released last Tuesday which in itself was an
update for one the week before. OK, I exaggerate maybe slightly 25 April
and before that 15 March.

Nevertheless I still don't understand what is going on here. There has
been extensive discussion of both WPA and WGA over the years since WPA
first reared its ugly head with the release of XP back in 2001. Such
discussions have often been very uncomplimentary to Microsoft but AFAIK
Microsoft have rarely if ever previously chosen to censor such discussions
other than perhaps where clear details of how to crack either WPA or WGA
have been posted. Changes have however occurred in recent months as to
how the newsgroups are managed and perhaps what we are now seeing is a
result of those changes, if so IMO I feel this is not in Microsoft's best
interests.
--
Mike Maltby




A wrote:

I guess they are afraid that WGA will be the bane to Windows. Nothing
like knowing you have a legit copy of windows and going to WU,
downloading the new WGA, rebooting and having messages pop up saying
your Windows is counterfeit. End users must just love that. Instead of
removing this flawed program, when people point it out, they try and
sweep it under the rug. I hear there is going to be a new, "improved"
WGA next Tuesday. I won't download it but how many millions will?

Sigh.