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  #11  
Old May 5th 06, 11:54 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsme.general
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Michael wrote:

They filtered out the word "alias" "@lias" and "@li@s" and/or the
email address. I don't know which. As I was not told why this was
done, I don't really know what it was due to.


I feel I'm seeing more than a touch of paranoia here. In all the years
I've been posting to msnews I have never known of a poster being censored
in the way that you claim and certainly never simply based on their
posting alias. I am however aware of many cases where synch problems
across the nntp server farm have led a user to become paranoid.
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Old May 6th 06, 12:02 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsme.general
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Just don't let your paranoia bite you in the butt. I very much doubt that
you are being censored in any way unless you are using profanities or
being abusive to other posters. Microsoft rarely if ever censor those
criticising their products in the newsgroups provided they keep the
language clean and don't post cracks or commercially sensitive
information.
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Michael wrote:

My posts were either removed from MS' servers or not even allowed onto
others. I was using msnews.microsoft.com

Critics are never "censored", the only posts
that are removed are those containing gross profanity, verbal abuse,
spamming or contain a virus or similar and on occasion where a poster
has inadvertently posted personal or confidential information.


OK, removed or not allowed out, although I would consider that a form
of censorship.


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Old May 6th 06, 12:38 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsme.general
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Mike M wrote:
Just don't let your paranoia bite you in the butt. I very much doubt
that you are being censored in any way unless you are using profanities
or being abusive to other posters. Microsoft rarely if ever censor
those criticising their products in the newsgroups provided they keep
the language clean and don't post cracks or commercially sensitive
information.


Do an experiment. Access windowsxp.general with MS's servers. Search for
"Alias" in the From field. Do the same thing with another server. I
guarantee you that they've been pulled from MS' server and will still be
on the other server, Google, or individual.net for example. I have
confirmed that and so have other posters on windowsxp.general.

Not only will you see that these posts were censored by doing this, you
will see what content was censored.

A
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Old May 6th 06, 12:45 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsme.general
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Mike M wrote:
Michael wrote:

They filtered out the word "alias" "@lias" and "@li@s" and/or the
email address. I don't know which. As I was not told why this was
done, I don't really know what it was due to.


I feel I'm seeing more than a touch of paranoia here. In all the years
I've been posting to msnews I have never known of a poster being
censored in the way that you claim and certainly never simply based on
their posting alias. I am however aware of many cases where synch
problems across the nntp server farm have led a user to become paranoid.


I am sure. In a thread I will see others posting before and after me,
using MS servers, mind you and mine say:

Error!
newsgroup server responded:no such article number in group

Perhaps the article has expired

(1525702)

Click here to remove all expired articles

How come older posts are not "expired" in the same thread? How come I
can still see the same post in another news server? How come other
posters who post with news.individual.net can see my posts on that
server but see the above notice when they access through MS' servers?

Perhaps it's because MS is finally realizing that WPA and WGA doesn't
stop pirates and only infuriates end users and doesn't like to be
reminded by the likes of me?

A
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Old May 6th 06, 02:27 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsme.general
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The "Basic" and "Slim" builds don't include the toolbar.

http://www.ccleaner.com/downloadbuilds.asp

siljaline wrote:
Watch out for the added context menu options and especially the Yahoo Toolbar
option -

Silj

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Old May 6th 06, 02:34 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsme.general
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Glad you mentioned it, Silj.
If Alias (Michael) doesn't know what the context menu is, he must have been
asleep when installing *the thing*, or was he doing something else? g. (No
offense, Alias!)
If I recall correctly, the only thing I uncheck is the toolbar.
Do you remember what the others are?

Harry.


"siljaline" wrote in message
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Watch out for the added context menu options and especially the Yahoo

Toolbar
option -

Silj

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Old May 6th 06, 03:53 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsme.general
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"TomV" wrote:
The "Basic" and "Slim" builds don't include the toolbar.

http://www.ccleaner.com/downloadbuilds.asp


That's assuming the user can find that URL, which *is* hard to find.
Best bet! - No added context menu and No Yahoo toolbar.
During the install process - select - no added menu items, no toolbar.

Silj

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Old May 6th 06, 08:23 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsme.general
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A wrote:
Mike M wrote:
Just don't let your paranoia bite you in the butt. I very much doubt
that you are being censored in any way unless you are using
profanities or being abusive to other posters. Microsoft rarely if
ever censor those criticising their products in the newsgroups
provided they keep the language clean and don't post cracks or
commercially sensitive information.


Do an experiment. Access windowsxp.general with MS's servers. Search
for "Alias" in the From field. Do the same thing with another
server. I guarantee you that they've been pulled from MS' server and
will still be on the other server, Google, or individual.net for
example. I have confirmed that and so have other posters on
windowsxp.general.
Not only will you see that these posts were censored by doing this,
you will see what content was censored.


I agree censorship does happen on xp.general. I don't consider it a
companywide policy but peculiar to the Brannigan-influenced ones. If he
decides a post is, let's say 'morally questionable' he'll have it pulled,
but - like the majority of the mvp's on the xp groups - he's very much a
company man and he'll allow the kind of behaviour that ought to be
prosecuted as a crime (such as that of butthead) go on far longer than
criticism of the microsoft corporate greed-inspired behaviour all too
evident today.

I am so sick of WGA - and being reminded that I've hidden an 'important'
update whenever I go to WU - that I complained to MS about being treated
like a child, and the reply I got was exactly what you'd expect - hell, they
could have got Carey, or Bruce, or Jupiter to dictate it!

Microsoft are becoming too big to affect and they're shaping the future (so
we *will* end up renting the whole shebang and having less control of our
own machines than they have. Just as civil liberties are disappearing in the
UK and the US now, because now they have the technology to make it stick.
I'm reminded of an attitude that persists, hopefully only in the older
generations, that of not going to the doctor, not calling an ambulance, not
taking a pet to the vet, because 'it might not be anything', 'I wouldn't
want to be a trouble', etc etc etc. When they do decide it's serious enough
to make a fuss, it's too late).

Hey, Mike! This isn't meant to imply anything, just an aside this subject
has reminded me of. I've been back to London recently, necessarily
travelling about on the tube with my backpack. Last time I had the beard
again, too! And I got off at Stockwell, though I'd ditched the bag by then!
Interesting question - am I *actually* risking my life?

I've got totally sidetracked now! Wish I could remember what I turned the
bloody computer on for!


Shane


 




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