defrag...time

"plinnane3remov" wrote:
There's no way 10 GB should take 7-8 hours to defragment, so:

- ensure that your disk is set for DMA access

- download and use ScanDefrag, developed by some of the MVPs
who
frequent these helpgroups.

http://www.blueorbsoft.com/scandefrag

- when you're running a Scandisk, don't use the "Surface Scan"
option on
a regular basis.

This should get you down to a couple hours at most (which is
still too
long for that amount of data but it's an improvement)


Rick

boni wrote:
local disk (c
capacity 18.6 gb
used 10.0 gb
free 8.86 gb 914kb "Mart"
> wrote in
message ...

 Perhaps both the Total Size and the amount of Free
Space of your disk

would

 be a useful starting point. (Can be ascertained in My
Computer and/or
 Windows Explorer)
 
 N.B. Defrag requires some 15% Free Space to run, hence
the more Free

Space -

 the faster it will run.
 
 See also :-
 "Description of the Disk Defragmenter Tool in Windows
98/Me"
 http://support.microsoft.com/default...b;en-us;186171
 
 Mart
 
 
 
 "boni" > wrote in message
...
 
  where would i begin to respond to the question
...size of disk and
  contents
  ? thanks
  "boni" > wrote in
message
  news:%23WZFMKrTFHA.2128@TK2MSFTNGP1 5.phx.gbl...
  
  one week later......
  did the same again. this time defrag took
about 8hrs. on safe mode to
  complete.
  honestly, in respond to your question .. drive
used for other things ??
  or
  burning to cd ?? or media files to slave
drive, maybe all the

suggestions

  made by you have the solution. except ..i
wouldn't know where to begin
  and
  resolve the problem. so that when i defrag on
safe mode it wouldn't

take

  so
  
  long. since i am doing it weekly. no i don't
have adware nor spyware .

i

  have ez av/firewall/ spybot.
simple/uncomplicated directions
  
  ..appreciated.
  
  thank you. boni.
  "Galen" > wrote in
message
  news:OYU85I$QFHA.4020@tk2msftngp13 .phx.gbl...
  
  In
,
  boni > had this to
say:
  
   My reply is at the bottom of your sent
message:
  
  
  i do a scan disk & defrag in safe mode 1x a
week, and it takes

more

  than 6hrs. and yes i did the
delete/temp/history first before

going

  into safe mode. is there a reason why it
takes so long ? any
  suggestions ?
  thanks. boni.
  
  Perhaps you have a bunch of stuff on your
drive? Your drive is also
  
  being
  
  used for other things? Have you tried
defragging in safe mode? Does

it

  often
  
  restart because it says contents changed or
the like? Is your drive
  
  rather
  
  full of stuff? If so then do you have the
option of burning it to CD

or

  installing a slave drive and storing
non-application files and media
  
  files
  
  on the slaved drive?
  
  Galen
  --
  Signature changed for a moment of silence.
  Rest well Alex and we'll see you on the other
side.
  
  
  
  
  
 



If you would just download any of the third party defrag programs
listed here, your problem will probably go away. Like everyone said,
try a trialware defrag program.

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WinME's default Defrag works just fine. So does (3rd party) Diskeeper
for that matter, though not that much better.

ScanDefrag is not a defragmenter; it's a program that manages running of
Windows' DiskCleanUp, Scandisk and Defrag programs.


Your newsreader is doing strange things to your posts.


Rick




1badtech wrote:
"plinnane3remov" wrote:
There's no way 10 GB should take 7-8 hours to defragment, so:

- ensure that your disk is set for DMA access

- download and use ScanDefrag, developed by some of the MVPs
who
frequent these helpgroups.

http://www.blueorbsoft.com/scandefrag

- when you're running a Scandisk, don't use the "Surface Scan"
option on
a regular basis.

This should get you down to a couple hours at most (which is
still too
long for that amount of data but it's an improvement)


Rick

boni wrote:
local disk (c
capacity 18.6 gb
used 10.0 gb
free 8.86 gb 914kb "Mart"
> wrote in
message ...

 Perhaps both the Total Size and the amount of Free
Space of your disk

would

 be a useful starting point. (Can be ascertained in My
Computer and/or
 Windows Explorer)
 
 N.B. Defrag requires some 15% Free Space to run, hence
the more Free

Space -

 the faster it will run.
 
 See also :-
 "Description of the Disk Defragmenter Tool in Windows
98/Me"
 http://support.microsoft.com/default...b;en-us;186171
 
 Mart
 
 
 
 "boni" > wrote in message
...
 
  where would i begin to respond to the question
...size of disk and
  contents
  ? thanks
  "boni" > wrote in
message
  news:%23WZFMKrTFHA.2128@TK2MSFTNGP1 5.phx.gbl...
  
  one week later......
  did the same again. this time defrag took
about 8hrs. on safe mode to
  complete.
  honestly, in respond to your question .. drive
used for other things ??
  or
  burning to cd ?? or media files to slave
drive, maybe all the

suggestions

  made by you have the solution. except ..i
wouldn't know where to begin
  and
  resolve the problem. so that when i defrag on
safe mode it wouldn't

take

  so
  
  long. since i am doing it weekly. no i don't
have adware nor spyware .

i

  have ez av/firewall/ spybot.
simple/uncomplicated directions
  
  ..appreciated.
  
  thank you. boni.
  "Galen" > wrote in
message
  news:OYU85I$QFHA.4020@tk2msftngp13 .phx.gbl...
  
  In
,
  boni > had this to
say:
  
   My reply is at the bottom of your sent
message:
  
  
  i do a scan disk & defrag in safe mode 1x a
week, and it takes

more

  than 6hrs. and yes i did the
delete/temp/history first before

going

  into safe mode. is there a reason why it
takes so long ? any
  suggestions ?
  thanks. boni.
  
  Perhaps you have a bunch of stuff on your
drive? Your drive is also
  
  being
  
  used for other things? Have you tried
defragging in safe mode? Does

it

  often
  
  restart because it says contents changed or
the like? Is your drive
  
  rather
  
  full of stuff? If so then do you have the
option of burning it to CD

or

  installing a slave drive and storing
non-application files and media
  
  files
  
  on the slaved drive?
  
  Galen
  --
  Signature changed for a moment of silence.
  Rest well Alex and we'll see you on the other
side.
  
  
  
  
  
 



If you would just download any of the third party defrag programs
listed here, your problem will probably go away. Like everyone said,
try a trialware defrag program.

It's not a newsreader, Rick - it's a Webforum interface

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"Rick T" wrote in message
...
WinME's default Defrag works just fine. So does (3rd party) Diskeeper for
that matter, though not that much better.

ScanDefrag is not a defragmenter; it's a program that manages running of
Windows' DiskCleanUp, Scandisk and Defrag programs.


Your newsreader is doing strange things to your posts.


Rick

Good morning, puss!! And that is the crazy HTML coding that I was talking
about to Mart. Correct me if I am wrong, but I don't think so. I have seen
it many times before.......

 Windows Explorer)
 
 N.B. Defrag requires

Night....and I must remember what questions I was going to ask you but the
brain is dead and I am heading to bed......8-))

Figgs


"Noel Paton" wrote in message
...
It's not a newsreader, Rick - it's a Webforum interface

--
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Nil Carborundum Illegitemi
http://www.btinternet.com/~winnoel/millsrpch.htm

http://tinyurl.com/6oztj

Please read http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm on how to post messages to NG's

"Rick T" wrote in message
...
WinME's default Defrag works just fine. So does (3rd party) Diskeeper
for
that matter, though not that much better.

ScanDefrag is not a defragmenter; it's a program that manages running of
Windows' DiskCleanUp, Scandisk and Defrag programs.


Your newsreader is doing strange things to your posts.


Rick

If you look at his sig, the details are there
quote
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Articles individually checked for conformance to usenet standards
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I tried getting into the thread via that- but for some reason it throws up a
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"Heather" wrote in message
...
Good morning, puss!! And that is the crazy HTML coding that I was talking
about to Mart. Correct me if I am wrong, but I don't think so. I have
seen
it many times before.......

 Windows Explorer)
 
 N.B. Defrag requires

Night....and I must remember what questions I was going to ask you but the
brain is dead and I am heading to bed......8-))

Figgs


"Noel Paton" wrote in message
...
It's not a newsreader, Rick - it's a Webforum interface

--
Noel Paton (MS-MVP 2002-2005, Windows)

Nil Carborundum Illegitemi
http://www.btinternet.com/~winnoel/millsrpch.htm

http://tinyurl.com/6oztj

Please read http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm on how to post messages to NG's

"Rick T" wrote in message
...
WinME's default Defrag works just fine. So does (3rd party) Diskeeper
for
that matter, though not that much better.

ScanDefrag is not a defragmenter; it's a program that manages running
of
Windows' DiskCleanUp, Scandisk and Defrag programs.


Your newsreader is doing strange things to your posts.


Rick

boni wrote :-

i don't understand ....

DMA setting - Check your HDD settings in Device Manager to determine whether
DMA is set on or off. Try the alternative setting and see if there is an
improvement. N.B. - Set an SR Point first - just in case!!

You also now need to determine whether it is Scandisk or Defrag which is
causing the bottle-neck.

if defrag is badly fragmented each time before i run it , how will i be
able to tell ?

Watch the 'defrag' map. When you watch the 'defrag' map - are there masses
of fragments, or is the map fairly contiguous?

Try defragging (and time it) then - without switching off - immediately try
defragging again - Any *major* difference in time? How does the second
timing compare with your 'weekly' timing of defrag?

Scandisk :-

Try running Scandisk ONLY in each of the following modes and make a note of
the timings :-

Normal Mode - as a 'Thorough' test.
Safe Mode - as a 'Thorough' test
Real Mode DOS - Surface Scan (Equivalent to a Thorough test in Windows)

N.B. - To run Scandisk in Real Mode DOS, Boot with your WinMe Startup
(floppy) Disk, select 'With CD-ROM
Support' then at the A:\ prompt, type "scandisk c:" (no quotes and note
there is a colon after the letter c)
then press Return. Follow the screen prompts and allow a Surface Scan.

How do the three Scandisk timings compare?

N.B. - By running Scandisk in Real Mode DOS, you are completely eliminating
ANY WinMe involvement!!

A very long-winded and time consuming exercise - but should help identify
where the problem lies.

Mart


"boni" wrote in message
...
thanks ... i will try diskeeper and blueorbsoft
i don't understand , ensure that disk is set for DMA access?
if defrag is badly fragmented each time before i run it , how will i be
able to tell ?
when i try to defrag on regular mode it runs, just about the same.
if i were to use the ctrl + alt + delete and shutting off all the
processes
rundll32 does not appear . should it?
boni.

"boni" wrote in message
...
local disk (c
capacity 18.6 gb
used 10.0 gb
free 8.86 gb 914kb "Mart" wrote in
message ...
Perhaps both the Total Size and the amount of Free Space of your disk
would
be a useful starting point. (Can be ascertained in My Computer and/or
Windows Explorer)

N.B. Defrag requires some 15% Free Space to run, hence the more Free
Space -
the faster it will run.

See also :-
"Description of the Disk Defragmenter Tool in Windows 98/Me"
http://support.microsoft.com/default...b;en-us;186171

Mart



"boni" wrote in message
...
where would i begin to respond to the question ...size of disk and
contents
? thanks
"boni" wrote in message
...
one week later......
did the same again. this time defrag took about 8hrs. on safe mode
to
complete.
honestly, in respond to your question .. drive used for other things
??
or
burning to cd ?? or media files to slave drive, maybe all the
suggestions
made by you have the solution. except ..i wouldn't know where to
begin
and
resolve the problem. so that when i defrag on safe mode it wouldn't
take
so
long. since i am doing it weekly. no i don't have adware nor spyware
.
i
have ez av/firewall/ spybot. simple/uncomplicated directions
..appreciated.
thank you. boni.
"Galen" wrote in message
...
In ,
boni had this to say:

My reply is at the bottom of your sent message:

i do a scan disk & defrag in safe mode 1x a week, and it takes
more
than 6hrs. and yes i did the delete/temp/history first before
going
into safe mode. is there a reason why it takes so long ? any
suggestions ?
thanks. boni.

Perhaps you have a bunch of stuff on your drive? Your drive is
also
being
used for other things? Have you tried defragging in safe mode?
Does
it
often
restart because it says contents changed or the like? Is your
drive
rather
full of stuff? If so then do you have the option of burning it to
CD
or
installing a slave drive and storing non-application files and
media
files
on the slaved drive?

Galen
--
Signature changed for a moment of silence.
Rest well Alex and we'll see you on the other side.

Hey Heather! HTML?? - I'm already in enough trouble elsewhere with this
thread - please don't involve me in HTML g

Mart


"Heather" wrote in message
...
Good morning, puss!! And that is the crazy HTML coding that I was talking
about to Mart. Correct me if I am wrong, but I don't think so. I have
seen
it many times before.......

 Windows Explorer)
 
 N.B. Defrag requires

Night....and I must remember what questions I was going to ask you but the
brain is dead and I am heading to bed......8-))

Figgs


"Noel Paton" wrote in message
...
It's not a newsreader, Rick - it's a Webforum interface

--
Noel Paton (MS-MVP 2002-2005, Windows)

Nil Carborundum Illegitemi
http://www.btinternet.com/~winnoel/millsrpch.htm

http://tinyurl.com/6oztj

Please read http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm on how to post messages to NG's

"Rick T" wrote in message
...
WinME's default Defrag works just fine. So does (3rd party) Diskeeper
for
that matter, though not that much better.

ScanDefrag is not a defragmenter; it's a program that manages running
of
Windows' DiskCleanUp, Scandisk and Defrag programs.


Your newsreader is doing strange things to your posts.


Rick

first let me again thank you all first for your support.
don't believe i have a WinMe Startup (floppy) Disk.
i do have in documents gmx9xao1 (5699 kb) and 9c904me (412 kb) applications.
but, i will test on normal/safe mode.
in checking device manager .. the selected choice is Interrupt request
(IRQ). not the direct memory access(DMA).
the other 2 test on normal/safe thoroughmode will be done at an earlier
time.. for me. i will remember to do a SR first.
its zzz time and i look forward on trying to fix my system.
on another note.... if i may ? can't figure out why the email in OE is
showing verizon.net. when its optonline.

Settings and Hardware using the setting
"Mart" wrote in message
...
boni wrote :-

i don't understand ....

DMA setting - Check your HDD settings in Device Manager to determine
whether
DMA is set on or off. Try the alternative setting and see if there is an
improvement. N.B. - Set an SR Point first - just in case!!

You also now need to determine whether it is Scandisk or Defrag which is
causing the bottle-neck.

if defrag is badly fragmented each time before i run it , how will i be
able to tell ?

Watch the 'defrag' map. When you watch the 'defrag' map - are there masses
of fragments, or is the map fairly contiguous?

Try defragging (and time it) then - without switching off - immediately
try
defragging again - Any *major* difference in time? How does the second
timing compare with your 'weekly' timing of defrag?

Scandisk :-

Try running Scandisk ONLY in each of the following modes and make a note
of
the timings :-

Normal Mode - as a 'Thorough' test.
Safe Mode - as a 'Thorough' test
Real Mode DOS - Surface Scan (Equivalent to a Thorough test in Windows)

N.B. - To run Scandisk in Real Mode DOS, Boot with your WinMe Startup
(floppy) Disk, select 'With CD-ROM
Support' then at the A:\ prompt, type "scandisk c:" (no quotes and note
there is a colon after the letter c)
then press Return. Follow the screen prompts and allow a Surface Scan.

How do the three Scandisk timings compare?

N.B. - By running Scandisk in Real Mode DOS, you are completely
eliminating
ANY WinMe involvement!!

A very long-winded and time consuming exercise - but should help identify
where the problem lies.

Mart


"boni" wrote in message
...
thanks ... i will try diskeeper and blueorbsoft
i don't understand , ensure that disk is set for DMA access?
if defrag is badly fragmented each time before i run it , how will i be
able to tell ?
when i try to defrag on regular mode it runs, just about the same.
if i were to use the ctrl + alt + delete and shutting off all the
processes
rundll32 does not appear . should it?
boni.

"boni" wrote in message
...
local disk (c
capacity 18.6 gb
used 10.0 gb
free 8.86 gb 914kb "Mart" wrote in
message ...
Perhaps both the Total Size and the amount of Free Space of your disk
would
be a useful starting point. (Can be ascertained in My Computer and/or
Windows Explorer)

N.B. Defrag requires some 15% Free Space to run, hence the more Free
Space -
the faster it will run.

See also :-
"Description of the Disk Defragmenter Tool in Windows 98/Me"
http://support.microsoft.com/default...b;en-us;186171

Mart



"boni" wrote in message
...
where would i begin to respond to the question ...size of disk and
contents
? thanks
"boni" wrote in message
...
one week later......
did the same again. this time defrag took about 8hrs. on safe mode
to
complete.
honestly, in respond to your question .. drive used for other
things
??
or
burning to cd ?? or media files to slave drive, maybe all the
suggestions
made by you have the solution. except ..i wouldn't know where to
begin
and
resolve the problem. so that when i defrag on safe mode it
wouldn't
take
so
long. since i am doing it weekly. no i don't have adware nor
spyware
.
i
have ez av/firewall/ spybot. simple/uncomplicated directions
..appreciated.
thank you. boni.
"Galen" wrote in message
...
In ,
boni had this to say:

My reply is at the bottom of your sent message:

i do a scan disk & defrag in safe mode 1x a week, and it
takes
more
than 6hrs. and yes i did the delete/temp/history first before
going
into safe mode. is there a reason why it takes so long ? any
suggestions ?
thanks. boni.

Perhaps you have a bunch of stuff on your drive? Your drive is
also
being
used for other things? Have you tried defragging in safe mode?
Does
it
often
restart because it says contents changed or the like? Is your
drive
rather
full of stuff? If so then do you have the option of burning it
to
CD
or
installing a slave drive and storing non-application files and
media
files
on the slaved drive?

Galen
--
Signature changed for a moment of silence.
Rest well Alex and we'll see you on the other side.

Boni, for the time being, don't worry too much about the DMA issue. You can
concentrate on enabling/disabling the DMA - if necessary - after you've
tried the 3 Scandisk tests and compared their results.

Regarding a WinMe Startup (floppy) Disk, you can either create one yourself
:-
"How To Create a Windows Me Startup Disk Manually"
http://support.microsoft.com/default...b;en-us;271823

or go to http://www.bootdisk.com/bootdisk.htm and download the WinMe OEM
option to your hard disk on you current computer. Run it from your hard
disk - with a fresh floppy disk in your A: drive - to create a WinMe Startup
(floppy)

Finally, (for the moment g)
..... can't figure out why the email in OE is
showing verizon.net. when its optonline.

Well, at least your are using IE6 (and all credit to you for that!!) and not
the dreaded CDO, however you ought to seriously think about 'munging' your
email address in these newsgroups - spam harvesters tend to trawl. Look how
others have set-up theirs.

Easily fixed in OE |Tools \ Accounts \ News tab \ Properties - and just
amend your e-mail address accordingly to a fictitious account.

Good luck

Mart


"boni" wrote in message
...
first let me again thank you all first for your support.
don't believe i have a WinMe Startup (floppy) Disk.
i do have in documents gmx9xao1 (5699 kb) and 9c904me (412 kb)
applications.
but, i will test on normal/safe mode.
in checking device manager .. the selected choice is Interrupt request
(IRQ). not the direct memory access(DMA).
the other 2 test on normal/safe thoroughmode will be done at an earlier
time.. for me. i will remember to do a SR first.
its zzz time and i look forward on trying to fix my system.
on another note.... if i may ? can't figure out why the email in OE is
showing verizon.net. when its optonline.

Settings and Hardware using the setting

snipped

article 271823 requires Win98 startup disk (not avail)
so, bootdisk i will try.
CDO stands for ?
accts/ will work on that. late & heading out. thanks boni
"Mart" wrote in message
...
Boni, for the time being, don't worry too much about the DMA issue. You
can
concentrate on enabling/disabling the DMA - if necessary - after you've
tried the 3 Scandisk tests and compared their results.

Regarding a WinMe Startup (floppy) Disk, you can either create one
yourself
:-
"How To Create a Windows Me Startup Disk Manually"
http://support.microsoft.com/default...b;en-us;271823

or go to http://www.bootdisk.com/bootdisk.htm and download the WinMe OEM
option to your hard disk on you current computer. Run it from your hard
disk - with a fresh floppy disk in your A: drive - to create a WinMe
Startup
(floppy)

Finally, (for the moment g)
..... can't figure out why the email in OE is
showing verizon.net. when its optonline.

Well, at least your are using IE6 (and all credit to you for that!!) and
not
the dreaded CDO, however you ought to seriously think about 'munging' your
email address in these newsgroups - spam harvesters tend to trawl. Look
how
others have set-up theirs.

Easily fixed in OE |Tools \ Accounts \ News tab \ Properties - and just
amend your e-mail address accordingly to a fictitious account.

Good luck

Mart


"boni" wrote in message
...
first let me again thank you all first for your support.
don't believe i have a WinMe Startup (floppy) Disk.
i do have in documents gmx9xao1 (5699 kb) and 9c904me (412 kb)
applications.
but, i will test on normal/safe mode.
in checking device manager .. the selected choice is Interrupt request
(IRQ). not the direct memory access(DMA).
the other 2 test on normal/safe thoroughmode will be done at an earlier
time.. for me. i will remember to do a SR first.
its zzz time and i look forward on trying to fix my system.
on another note.... if i may ? can't figure out why the email in OE is
showing verizon.net. when its optonline.

Settings and Hardware using the setting

snipped