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Slipstream in ME??
There is a wealth of information in the XP groups about creating a
"Slipstreamed" bootable CD incorporating Windows XP, Home or Pro, with SP2 which will allow a clean installation of either XP version up to date with SP2. My question for the MVP's is "can this be done within the confines of WindowsME as well or, does the process only work if XP is already installed?" I have seen some posts and pages that even hint it only works if the NTFS file system is used. I have read so many suggested methods that my old brain is leaking confusion. For what it is worth, I was hoping that a slipstreamed CD would make upgrading to XP Home a one step affair. Any comments or guru wisdom would be appreciated. sced13ri (Looking for the easy answer.) ;-) |
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Since no Service Pack has ever been issued for Win Me there is nothing to
slipstream. Slipstreaming is the process of integrating a service pack into an earlier version, either RTM (the original release) or a version containing an earlier service pack. Slipstreaming has nothing to do with the filing system in use nor is it exclusive to XP, for example Win2K service packs can be slipstreamed into W2K as also can be service packs for MS Office into the original MS Office release (same underlying version naturally). What can be done, but is hardly worth the trouble is to use msbatch from the Win98 Resource Kit to integrate missing or updated drivers into the Win Me file set and also certain hotfixes can be added. -- Mike Maltby MS-MVP "looneytunesverizone.net verizone.net " "looneytunes wrote in message .... There is a wealth of information in the XP groups about creating a "Slipstreamed" bootable CD incorporating Windows XP, Home or Pro, with SP2 which will allow a clean installation of either XP version up to date with SP2. My question for the MVP's is "can this be done within the confines of WindowsME as well or, does the process only work if XP is already installed?" I have seen some posts and pages that even hint it only works if the NTFS file system is used. I have read so many suggested methods that my old brain is leaking confusion. For what it is worth, I was hoping that a slipstreamed CD would make upgrading to XP Home a one step affair. Any comments or guru wisdom would be appreciated. |
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Mike M wrote:
Since no Service Pack has ever been issued for Win Me there is nothing to slipstream. Slipstreaming is the process of integrating a service pack into an earlier version, either RTM (the original release) or a version containing an earlier service pack. Slipstreaming has nothing to do with the filing system in use nor is it exclusive to XP, for example Win2K service packs can be slipstreamed into W2K as also can be service packs for MS Office into the original MS Office release (same underlying version naturally). What can be done, but is hardly worth the trouble is to use msbatch from the Win98 Resource Kit to integrate missing or updated drivers into the Win Me file set and also certain hotfixes can be added. Mike: Perhaps I wasn't clear enough in my post. I am not looking to slipstream a Windows ME disk. My question was "can I create a bootable XP/SP2 CD within the confines of Windows ME" to be used for my upgrade from ME to XP Home. I have the full retail XP Home CD and the Microsoft SP2 CD. Based on your reply, perhaps you could direct me to good information on how to do it, if what I am asking is possible. Sorry if I wasn't clear enough. Old brains are sometimes hard to read. :-) sced13ri |
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The operating system or platform in use should be immaterial when creating
a slipstream image. For one method of creating a slipstream image (which is basically the method I used to create my slipstream CDs) can be found at http://www.helpwithwindows.com/Windo...p2-bootcd.html. -- Mike Maltby MS-MVP "looneytunesverizone.net verizone.net " "looneytunes wrote in message .... Perhaps I wasn't clear enough in my post. I am not looking to slipstream a Windows ME disk. My question was "can I create a bootable XP/SP2 CD within the confines of Windows ME" to be used for my upgrade from ME to XP Home. I have the full retail XP Home CD and the Microsoft SP2 CD. Based on your reply, perhaps you could direct me to good information on how to do it, if what I am asking is possible. Sorry if I wasn't clear enough. Old brains are sometimes hard to read. :-) |
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Forgive me if it is inappropriate to post my question here, but it directly
relates to this thread. Isn't it better to add to an existing thread rather than start a new one? If not and you consider this to be hijacking and think I should create my own thread for this, please tell me, and very sorry for posting here. 1. Mike, what do you mean by WinMe file set? 2. Do you mean one or all of these places that have CAB files? C:\WINDOWS\OPTIONS\CABS C:\WINDOWS\OPTIONS\INSTALL C:\ADMIN\WinMeOEM [where I installed WinMe from] 3. Would all of these locations need updating, or just some? 4. Specifically *which* hotfixes (windows updates) for WinMe can be integrated into the file set using msbatch? I'd like to know how to use it to add drivers and certain updates to create a custom WinMe CD and an updated custom installation source point at C:\ADMIN\WinMeOEM. I've heard that drivers and the WinMe System Restore Update 290700 can be included but that IE6SP1, DX90c, and WMP9 cannot. I have the Win98 Resource Kit but do not know how to use msbatch. The book is technical at times and my DOS skills are novice. 5. Where can I learn more about how to use msbatch 98? 6. Which files do I need: batch.exe, infinst.exe, dbset.exe? 7. Would I have to initially run msbatch from my Win98se laptop instead of my WinMe computer? It sounds like I may need to write a custom script (.inf) file. I don't know how to do that but am willing to learn. Thanks. -- ForestSpirit -- "Mike M" wrote in message ... What can be done, but is hardly worth the trouble is to use msbatch from the Win98 Resource Kit to integrate missing or updated drivers into the Win Me file set and also certain hotfixes can be added. -- Mike Maltby MS-MVP |
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Mike M wrote:
The operating system or platform in use should be immaterial when creating a slipstream image. For one method of creating a slipstream image (which is basically the method I used to create my slipstream CDs) can be found at http://www.helpwithwindows.com/Windo...p2-bootcd.html. Thanks Mike, That is one of the pages I looked at and printed out for reference. What added to my confusion is the third paragraph under the initial heading which says; "Microsoft added the ability to Slipstream a Service Pack to Windows 2000 and Windows XP. It not only has the advantage that when you (re)install your OS, you don't have to apply the Service Pack later, also if you update any Windows component later, you'll be sure that you get the correct installation files if Windows needs any." It gives the impression that this ability is only available in XP or 2000. Maybe I am reading it too literally. I will certainly give it a try. sced13ri |
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One problem at a time, FS!! g
Let's get your IE sorted out, and then you can come back with these questions! -- Noel Paton (MS-MVP 2002-2005, Windows) Nil Carborundum Illegitemi http://www.btinternet.com/~winnoel/millsrpch.htm http://tinyurl.com/6oztj Please read http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm on how to post messages to NG's "ForestSpirit" wrote in message ... Forgive me if it is inappropriate to post my question here, but it directly relates to this thread. Isn't it better to add to an existing thread rather than start a new one? If not and you consider this to be hijacking and think I should create my own thread for this, please tell me, and very sorry for posting here. 1. Mike, what do you mean by WinMe file set? 2. Do you mean one or all of these places that have CAB files? C:\WINDOWS\OPTIONS\CABS C:\WINDOWS\OPTIONS\INSTALL C:\ADMIN\WinMeOEM [where I installed WinMe from] 3. Would all of these locations need updating, or just some? 4. Specifically *which* hotfixes (windows updates) for WinMe can be integrated into the file set using msbatch? I'd like to know how to use it to add drivers and certain updates to create a custom WinMe CD and an updated custom installation source point at C:\ADMIN\WinMeOEM. I've heard that drivers and the WinMe System Restore Update 290700 can be included but that IE6SP1, DX90c, and WMP9 cannot. I have the Win98 Resource Kit but do not know how to use msbatch. The book is technical at times and my DOS skills are novice. 5. Where can I learn more about how to use msbatch 98? 6. Which files do I need: batch.exe, infinst.exe, dbset.exe? 7. Would I have to initially run msbatch from my Win98se laptop instead of my WinMe computer? It sounds like I may need to write a custom script (.inf) file. I don't know how to do that but am willing to learn. Thanks. -- ForestSpirit -- "Mike M" wrote in message ... What can be done, but is hardly worth the trouble is to use msbatch from the Win98 Resource Kit to integrate missing or updated drivers into the Win Me file set and also certain hotfixes can be added. -- Mike Maltby MS-MVP |
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Mike M wrote:
I don't know. I've never tried to run a command such as ServicePack2.exe /integrate:drive/RTM in a Command Window (DOS) in Win Me and am never likely to want to try to do so, so you may well be right. On the face of it I see no reason why it should not but likewise have some difficulty in understanding why someone should want to try to do this since someone wishing to create a slipstream copy of XP SP2 would presumable already have a PC running XP available to them and if not could install XP RTM or XP SP1, not activate, build XP SP2 and then use the slipstreamed XP SP2. Mike: I guess the reason propelling my wish to create the slipstream CD is to avoid the need to upgrade to XP and then to go through the installation of SP2. Reading the XP newsgroups seems to indicate many have had some problems after doing SP2 while others say the slipstream method is easier and also leaves you with a disk suitable for a full reinstall if necessary. Unless I read some of them wrong they say SP2 is such a radical revision that your original XP CD can no longer be used for repair or reinstall. If that is not true please let me know. I will be adding quite a bit of new hardware to my system after the upgrade and want to make sure XP works with it all before activation. BTW, your reference to XP RTM means "retail"?? If all else fails, I can of course follow your advice, install first then slipstream but in effect is that much different from just running SP2? I appreciate your hanging with me while I try to sort this out. I build my own machines and I am not usually timid about changing things like operating systems but, the move to XP is more than just an upgrade and I want to do it right the first time. I have pretty much given up on the idea of a wipe and clean install because I have too many applications that I do not want to reinstall. So, please forgive the long post and any more helpful suggestions would be appreciated. sced13ri |
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Much that you are reading in the XP NGs about slipstreaming would appear
to be hocus pocus as it perhaps are some of the comments that you are seeing about SP2. However you are quite correct in that an original RTM (Release To Manufacturing) CD, (which might be thought of as SP0), cannot be used to launch the repair console once an SP has been installed although it can still be used for a repair install, although it will return you to RTM, so ... If all else fails, I can of course follow your advice, install first then slipstream but in effect is that much different from just running SP2? It would appear that you didn't follow what I was trying to say which was that you could: a) Install XP using RTM or SP1 media, b) Not bother to activate for reasons that will become obvious at d), c) Create a slipstreamed XP SP2 CD, d) Wipe your system and finally, e) Clean install XP SP2 using the media you created at c). Which other than for wishing you luck just leaves one question. How old is the XP media you intend using? I ask as it is quite possible that if recent that it will already be a slipstreamed SP2 copy. Personally I find the main justification for installing XP using slipstreamed media rather than to use RTM and then install the latest SP is the considerable saving in space. For example installing using slipstreamed SP2 media rather than installing using RTM or SP1 media followed by installing SP2, avoids the creation of the windows\servicepackfiles folder which for SP2 contains some 474MB of files. For those like myself who like to keep their system partitions "clean and lean" this is a considerable saving in space and results in a smaller backup image size which is also quicker to create. The saving over the space occupied for systems which were originally RTM and were then upgraded to SP1 and then upgraded to SP2 is approaching 1GB. Regards, -- Mike Maltby MS-MVP "looneytunesverizone.net" "looneytunesverizone.net" wrote I guess the reason propelling my wish to create the slipstream CD is to avoid the need to upgrade to XP and then to go through the installation of SP2. Reading the XP newsgroups seems to indicate many have had some problems after doing SP2 while others say the slipstream method is easier and also leaves you with a disk suitable for a full reinstall if necessary. Unless I read some of them wrong they say SP2 is such a radical revision that your original XP CD can no longer be used for repair or reinstall. If that is not true please let me know. I will be adding quite a bit of new hardware to my system after the upgrade and want to make sure XP works with it all before activation. BTW, your reference to XP RTM means "retail"?? If all else fails, I can of course follow your advice, install first then slipstream but in effect is that much different from just running SP2? I appreciate your hanging with me while I try to sort this out. I build my own machines and I am not usually timid about changing things like operating systems but, the move to XP is more than just an upgrade and I want to do it right the first time. I have pretty much given up on the idea of a wipe and clean install because I have too many applications that I do not want to reinstall. So, please forgive the long post and any more helpful suggestions would be appreciated. |
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