IE6 SP1, and the "large number of files, copy and delete problem"

It's your turn to jump in and give it a try. Why do I have to do all the
work?

PCR wrote:
"Bill in Co." wrote in message
...
PCR wrote:
"Bill in Co." wrote in message
...
PCR wrote:
"Bill in Co." wrote in message
...
...snip
I vaguely recall looking somewhere to see ALL FOUR .DLLs were
loaded.
I
can't recall where, but, if you do it by moving the newer ones into
"C:\Program Files\Internet Explorer", where IExplore.exe lives, (&
put
the older ones into "C\Windows\System)... THEN...

I've done that already.

That's the better way, so IE retains the new ones. Explorer, too, you
know, can access the NET. I wouldn't try it, now, if I were anyone but
you.

At "START, Run, MSInfo32, Internet Explorer, File Versions", you
should
see the newer ones still...

ALL four files are listed there (both versions) in that window.

Hmmm. There? Well... it must have fished the old ones out of System\.

Yes - it shows them in both directories, that's why there are four
listed,
and not two.

Yes. But which ones does IE use? Better if it is using the NEW ones, for
whatever additional FUNCTIONALITY that provides, as you are not impressed
with security reasons. It could be a lot more than "Lock the Toolbars".
But,
who knows? I guess it could as well be all of that is in the many other IE
.dll's, that we aren't involving. But, what if some day those others
..dll's
want to talk to these NEW .dll's?


But, you say (& I can't recall) that you do have "Lock the Toolbars" in
IE. That has disappeared for you in Explorer (it did for me), so I guess

Yes - the "Lock the Toolbars" option is ONLY seen in IE, not Windows
Explorer, (which is inconsequential to me). (I don't even need it in
IE,
for that matter).

Fine, but see above.


the NEW .dll's are being used in IE-- & not in Explorer (where we don't
want them).

I guess, just rename the one's in "C:\Program Files\Internet Explorer",
to see whether you lose "Lock the toolbars" in IE. That should prove it.

In IE, Lock the Toolbars is present, and works fine.

That isn't definitive, really (for me). It could be IE (but not E) already
had "Lock the Toolbars" in IE5.5. Do you remember? If it didn't already
have
it, THEN the job is done: It is proven.


...snip
...snip

So I'm not sure what putting the IE 6 versions of those two files in
the
\program files\internet explorer directory has really accomplished, if
anything (except for saving them) Just because all four show up in
the
"Internet Explorer File Versions" window doesn't in and of itself mean
much,
I guess.

No. We want IE to continue to use it's newer .dll's.

If IE is indeed using the new dlls. Just for kicks, I tried renaming
them while IE was open, and got "access is denied". So it sounds like
they are being used. Plus the fact that the Lock the Toolbars option is
present seems to suggest the new DLLs are active when IE is open. It
would
seem, anyway. But does it really matter? Nah. I've still got IE 6
SP1
installed (for the most part, anyways)

Still, I would like to know what happens after you rename those NEW .dll's
in
DOS. Is there a dramatic difference in IE? Do even just "Lock the
Toolbars"
disappear?

It's your turn! Report back to us.


...snip

--
Thanks or Good Luck,
There may be humor in this post, and,
Naturally, you will not sue,
should things get worse after this,
PCR

Rick Chauvin wrote:
There's no point then and so you get the picture I'm sure, you've been
around
for a while so you know the score ..and you can do what pleases you.

I usually do, when I have the chance. :-)

I had to smirk today, or I should say cringe because it did it to me
again.
At once point though I had deleted a dozen 2GB backup partition image
files
in total as I went along deleting some here and there in different folders
I
was clearing out, and holding Shift as I deleted to keep them out of the
Recycle bin - but not once during that time did anything blink and they
deleted instantly, but then later that day after reboots, I was doing more
cleaning and deleted just a dozen little files in other places with a
normal
delete... and I'd be darned if it did its annoying hang when I did it ..a
royal p.i.t.a ..had to reboot to clear the spaz or it would linger.

I'm just not gonna swap dll's though anymore for various reasons, and
because it's not perfect as you will notice eventually,

You keep saying this, but you never really define it. In what specific
way is it not perfect (EXCEPT for the little bits we have already noted)??

but most of all, the
point is I'm not going to do it anymore because it would be much better
served all around to fix it finally!

Ain't gonna happen, as far as I can see. You'll be waiting for an
eternity.

I think I said minor inconvenience the other day, well I've changed my
mind,
at the moment I feel it's a ridiculous flaw

Rick

"Bill in Co." wrote in message

Rick Chauvin wrote:

[...]

I'm just not gonna swap dll's though anymore for various reasons, and
because it's not perfect as you will notice eventually,

Having fully tested it, I just think it's more appropriate to go back to
IE5.5SP2 with all its latest updates rather than swapping v5 to v6 dlls.

You keep saying this, but you never really define it. In what specific
way is it not perfect (EXCEPT for the little bits we have already noted)??

For one thing it's been a year since I was really into testing this and so I
hadn't defined what using the older dlls in a newer environment did (besides
the obvious) was because what I called idiosyncrasies was not just to be coy,
but was hard to define in any kind of intelligent way then and especially now
after a year has gone by, but it certainly wAs an issue or I would not of
mentioned it nor would I of abandoned the procedure.

IIRC it was as if the problem still triggered but in a totally different way
and iirc oddly the icons would linger a bit as they assumed themselves
as I went along and there was an odd way the browser was carrying itself
at all times ...geez... it's just hard to explain intelligently and I'm not
going to even try here because it's been a year - but one thing was a
certainty is that after using it for months I could tell something was not
quite right with it and tested on a number of different computers setups,
and so 'for me anyway' it was obvious swapping the dlls backwards
between 5/6 was a hack I was not comfortable with anymore, and going
forward my time & focus was better spent supporting discovery and resolve.

I hinted the possibility in my last post that if having to hold the Shift key
down on large size or quantify file deletes, etc, keeps me from triggering
this problem, then I will just have do that for now anyway.. ..and hold positive
intention toward supporting that it will somehow be fixed.

Rick

You like DOS, don't you? I did it a while ago. I was satisfied IE was
still using the NEW .dll's (& E, the OLD), but just can't recall how.

--
Thanks or Good Luck,
There may be humor in this post, and,
Naturally, you will not sue,
should things get worse after this,
PCR

"Bill in Co." wrote in message
...
| It's your turn to jump in and give it a try. Why do I have to do all
the
| work?
|
| PCR wrote:
| "Bill in Co." wrote in message
| ...
| PCR wrote:
| "Bill in Co." wrote in message
| ...
| PCR wrote:
| "Bill in Co." wrote in message
| ...
| ...snip
| I vaguely recall looking somewhere to see ALL FOUR .DLLs were
| loaded.
| I
| can't recall where, but, if you do it by moving the newer ones
into
| "C:\Program Files\Internet Explorer", where IExplore.exe
lives, (&
| put
| the older ones into "C\Windows\System)... THEN...
|
| I've done that already.
|
| That's the better way, so IE retains the new ones. Explorer,
too, you
| know, can access the NET. I wouldn't try it, now, if I were
anyone but
| you.
|
| At "START, Run, MSInfo32, Internet Explorer, File Versions",
you
| should
| see the newer ones still...
|
| ALL four files are listed there (both versions) in that window.
|
| Hmmm. There? Well... it must have fished the old ones out of
System\.
|
| Yes - it shows them in both directories, that's why there are four
| listed,
| and not two.
|
| Yes. But which ones does IE use? Better if it is using the NEW ones,
for
| whatever additional FUNCTIONALITY that provides, as you are not
impressed
| with security reasons. It could be a lot more than "Lock the
Toolbars".
| But,
| who knows? I guess it could as well be all of that is in the many
other IE
| .dll's, that we aren't involving. But, what if some day those others
| .dll's
| want to talk to these NEW .dll's?
|
|
| But, you say (& I can't recall) that you do have "Lock the
Toolbars" in
| IE. That has disappeared for you in Explorer (it did for me), so I
guess
|
| Yes - the "Lock the Toolbars" option is ONLY seen in IE, not
Windows
| Explorer, (which is inconsequential to me). (I don't even need
it in
| IE,
| for that matter).
|
| Fine, but see above.
|
|
| the NEW .dll's are being used in IE-- & not in Explorer (where we
don't
| want them).
|
| I guess, just rename the one's in "C:\Program Files\Internet
Explorer",
| to see whether you lose "Lock the toolbars" in IE. That should
prove it.
|
| In IE, Lock the Toolbars is present, and works fine.
|
| That isn't definitive, really (for me). It could be IE (but not E)
already
| had "Lock the Toolbars" in IE5.5. Do you remember? If it didn't
already
| have
| it, THEN the job is done: It is proven.
|
|
| ...snip
| ...snip
|
| So I'm not sure what putting the IE 6 versions of those two files
in
| the
| \program files\internet explorer directory has really
accomplished, if
| anything (except for saving them) Just because all four show
up in
| the
| "Internet Explorer File Versions" window doesn't in and of itself
mean
| much,
| I guess.
|
| No. We want IE to continue to use it's newer .dll's.
|
| If IE is indeed using the new dlls. Just for kicks, I tried
renaming
| them while IE was open, and got "access is denied". So it
sounds like
| they are being used. Plus the fact that the Lock the Toolbars
option is
| present seems to suggest the new DLLs are active when IE is open.
It
| would
| seem, anyway. But does it really matter? Nah. I've still got
IE 6
| SP1
| installed (for the most part, anyways)
|
| Still, I would like to know what happens after you rename those NEW
..dll's
| in
| DOS. Is there a dramatic difference in IE? Do even just "Lock the
| Toolbars"
| disappear?
|
| It's your turn! Report back to us.
|
|
| ...snip
|
| --
| Thanks or Good Luck,
| There may be humor in this post, and,
| Naturally, you will not sue,
| should things get worse after this,
| PCR
|
|
|

Colorado, it's your turn to discover the idiosyncrasies. Keep the NG
informed.

--
Thanks or Good Luck,
There may be humor in this post, and,
Naturally, you will not sue,
should things get worse after this,
PCR

"Bill in Co." wrote in message
...
| Rick Chauvin wrote:
| There's no point then and so you get the picture I'm sure, you've
been
| around
| for a while so you know the score ..and you can do what pleases
you.
|
| I usually do, when I have the chance. :-)
|
| I had to smirk today, or I should say cringe because it did it to me
| again.
| At once point though I had deleted a dozen 2GB backup partition
image
| files
| in total as I went along deleting some here and there in different
folders
| I
| was clearing out, and holding Shift as I deleted to keep them out of
the
| Recycle bin - but not once during that time did anything blink and
they
| deleted instantly, but then later that day after reboots, I was
doing more
| cleaning and deleted just a dozen little files in other places with
a
| normal
| delete... and I'd be darned if it did its annoying hang when I did
it ..a
| royal p.i.t.a ..had to reboot to clear the spaz or it would linger.
|
| I'm just not gonna swap dll's though anymore for various reasons,
and
| because it's not perfect as you will notice eventually,
|
| You keep saying this, but you never really define it. In what
specific
| way is it not perfect (EXCEPT for the little bits we have already
noted)??
|
| but most of all, the
| point is I'm not going to do it anymore because it would be much
better
| served all around to fix it finally!
|
| Ain't gonna happen, as far as I can see. You'll be waiting for an
| eternity.
|
| I think I said minor inconvenience the other day, well I've changed
my
| mind,
| at the moment I feel it's a ridiculous flaw
|
| Rick
|
|

I'm satisfied too.

Next?

PCR wrote:
You like DOS, don't you? I did it a while ago. I was satisfied IE was
still using the NEW .dll's (& E, the OLD), but just can't recall how.

--
Thanks or Good Luck,
There may be humor in this post, and,
Naturally, you will not sue,
should things get worse after this,
PCR

"Bill in Co." wrote in message
...
It's your turn to jump in and give it a try. Why do I have to do all the
work?

PCR wrote:
"Bill in Co." wrote in message
...
PCR wrote:
"Bill in Co." wrote in message
...
PCR wrote:
"Bill in Co." wrote in message
...
...snip
I vaguely recall looking somewhere to see ALL FOUR .DLLs were
loaded.
I can't recall where, but, if you do it by moving the newer ones
into
"C:\Program Files\Internet Explorer", where IExplore.exe lives, (&
put
the older ones into "C\Windows\System)... THEN...

I've done that already.

That's the better way, so IE retains the new ones. Explorer, too,
you
know, can access the NET. I wouldn't try it, now, if I were anyone
but
you.

At "START, Run, MSInfo32, Internet Explorer, File Versions", you
should see the newer ones still...

ALL four files are listed there (both versions) in that window.

Hmmm. There? Well... it must have fished the old ones out of System\.

Yes - it shows them in both directories, that's why there are four
listed,
and not two.

Yes. But which ones does IE use? Better if it is using the NEW ones, for
whatever additional FUNCTIONALITY that provides, as you are not
impressed
with security reasons. It could be a lot more than "Lock the Toolbars".
But,
who knows? I guess it could as well be all of that is in the many other
IE
.dll's, that we aren't involving. But, what if some day those others
..dll's
want to talk to these NEW .dll's?


But, you say (& I can't recall) that you do have "Lock the Toolbars"
in
IE. That has disappeared for you in Explorer (it did for me), so I
guess

Yes - the "Lock the Toolbars" option is ONLY seen in IE, not Windows
Explorer, (which is inconsequential to me). (I don't even need it in
IE,
for that matter).

Fine, but see above.


the NEW .dll's are being used in IE-- & not in Explorer (where we
don't
want them).

I guess, just rename the one's in "C:\Program Files\Internet
Explorer",
to see whether you lose "Lock the toolbars" in IE. That should prove
it.

In IE, Lock the Toolbars is present, and works fine.

That isn't definitive, really (for me). It could be IE (but not E)
already
had "Lock the Toolbars" in IE5.5. Do you remember? If it didn't already
have
it, THEN the job is done: It is proven.


...snip
...snip

So I'm not sure what putting the IE 6 versions of those two files in
the
\program files\internet explorer directory has really accomplished,
if
anything (except for saving them) Just because all four show up in
the
"Internet Explorer File Versions" window doesn't in and of itself
mean
much, I guess.

No. We want IE to continue to use it's newer .dll's.

If IE is indeed using the new dlls. Just for kicks, I tried
renaming
them while IE was open, and got "access is denied". So it sounds
like
they are being used. Plus the fact that the Lock the Toolbars option
is
present seems to suggest the new DLLs are active when IE is open. It
would
seem, anyway. But does it really matter? Nah. I've still got IE 6
SP1
installed (for the most part, anyways)

Still, I would like to know what happens after you rename those NEW
..dll's
in DOS. Is there a dramatic difference in IE? Do even just "Lock the
Toolbars" disappear?

It's your turn! Report back to us.


...snip

--
Thanks or Good Luck,
There may be humor in this post, and,
Naturally, you will not sue,
should things get worse after this,
PCR

I suppose we just need 39,999,998 Frenchman to agree with us, then. Are
you willing to wait that long?

--
Thanks or Good Luck,
There may be humor in this post, and,
Naturally, you will not sue,
should things get worse after this,
PCR

"Bill in Co." wrote in message
...
| I'm satisfied too.
|
| Next?
|
| PCR wrote:
| You like DOS, don't you? I did it a while ago. I was satisfied IE
was
| still using the NEW .dll's (& E, the OLD), but just can't recall
how.
|
| --
| Thanks or Good Luck,
| There may be humor in this post, and,
| Naturally, you will not sue,
| should things get worse after this,
| PCR
|
| "Bill in Co." wrote in message
| ...
| It's your turn to jump in and give it a try. Why do I have to do
all the
| work?
|
| PCR wrote:
| "Bill in Co." wrote in message
| ...
| PCR wrote:
| "Bill in Co." wrote in message
| ...
| PCR wrote:
| "Bill in Co." wrote in message
| ...
| ...snip
| I vaguely recall looking somewhere to see ALL FOUR .DLLs
were
| loaded.
| I can't recall where, but, if you do it by moving the newer
ones
| into
| "C:\Program Files\Internet Explorer", where IExplore.exe
lives, (&
| put
| the older ones into "C\Windows\System)... THEN...
|
| I've done that already.
|
| That's the better way, so IE retains the new ones. Explorer,
too,
| you
| know, can access the NET. I wouldn't try it, now, if I were
anyone
| but
| you.
|
| At "START, Run, MSInfo32, Internet Explorer, File Versions",
you
| should see the newer ones still...
|
| ALL four files are listed there (both versions) in that window.
|
| Hmmm. There? Well... it must have fished the old ones out of
System\.
|
| Yes - it shows them in both directories, that's why there are
four
| listed,
| and not two.
|
| Yes. But which ones does IE use? Better if it is using the NEW
ones, for
| whatever additional FUNCTIONALITY that provides, as you are not
| impressed
| with security reasons. It could be a lot more than "Lock the
Toolbars".
| But,
| who knows? I guess it could as well be all of that is in the many
other
| IE
| .dll's, that we aren't involving. But, what if some day those
others
| .dll's
| want to talk to these NEW .dll's?
|
|
| But, you say (& I can't recall) that you do have "Lock the
Toolbars"
| in
| IE. That has disappeared for you in Explorer (it did for me), so
I
| guess
|
| Yes - the "Lock the Toolbars" option is ONLY seen in IE, not
Windows
| Explorer, (which is inconsequential to me). (I don't even need
it in
| IE,
| for that matter).
|
| Fine, but see above.
|
|
| the NEW .dll's are being used in IE-- & not in Explorer (where
we
| don't
| want them).
|
| I guess, just rename the one's in "C:\Program Files\Internet
| Explorer",
| to see whether you lose "Lock the toolbars" in IE. That should
prove
| it.
|
| In IE, Lock the Toolbars is present, and works fine.
|
| That isn't definitive, really (for me). It could be IE (but not E)
| already
| had "Lock the Toolbars" in IE5.5. Do you remember? If it didn't
already
| have
| it, THEN the job is done: It is proven.
|
|
| ...snip
| ...snip
|
| So I'm not sure what putting the IE 6 versions of those two
files in
| the
| \program files\internet explorer directory has really
accomplished,
| if
| anything (except for saving them) Just because all four show
up in
| the
| "Internet Explorer File Versions" window doesn't in and of
itself
| mean
| much, I guess.
|
| No. We want IE to continue to use it's newer .dll's.
|
| If IE is indeed using the new dlls. Just for kicks, I tried
| renaming
| them while IE was open, and got "access is denied". So it
sounds
| like
| they are being used. Plus the fact that the Lock the Toolbars
option
| is
| present seems to suggest the new DLLs are active when IE is open.
It
| would
| seem, anyway. But does it really matter? Nah. I've still
got IE 6
| SP1
| installed (for the most part, anyways)
|
| Still, I would like to know what happens after you rename those
NEW
| .dll's
| in DOS. Is there a dramatic difference in IE? Do even just "Lock
the
| Toolbars" disappear?
|
| It's your turn! Report back to us.
|
|
| ...snip
|
| --
| Thanks or Good Luck,
| There may be humor in this post, and,
| Naturally, you will not sue,
| should things get worse after this,
| PCR
|
|
|

I do remember there were indeed some small idiosyncrasies on the machine I tried it on, but I also can't recall what exactly they were. Probably they were less significant than the "move/delete large number of files" problem itself.

Frankly, the fact that Microsoft would knowingly not fix this problem is another one of those things where I really can't understand what the problem is. Do you think that it's really so hard for the Microsoft software programmers to figure out why the problem occurs and how to fix it? Internet Explorer 6 SP 1 was released in September 2002! I would think that two and a half years would be enough for Microsoft to fix an issue which affects one of the basic functionalities of the core of Windows.

BTW, an alternative workaround is also not to use Explorer, but a different file manager such as FAR (http://www.rarlab.com/far_manager.htm), Total Commander (http://www.ghisler.com/) or WinNC (http://winnc.net/)



"Rick Chauvin" wrote in message ...
"Bill in Co." wrote in message

Rick Chauvin wrote:

[...]

I'm just not gonna swap dll's though anymore for various reasons, and
because it's not perfect as you will notice eventually,

Having fully tested it, I just think it's more appropriate to go back to
IE5.5SP2 with all its latest updates rather than swapping v5 to v6 dlls.

You keep saying this, but you never really define it. In what specific
way is it not perfect (EXCEPT for the little bits we have already noted)??

For one thing it's been a year since I was really into testing this and so I
hadn't defined what using the older dlls in a newer environment did (besides
the obvious) was because what I called idiosyncrasies was not just to be coy,
but was hard to define in any kind of intelligent way then and especially now
after a year has gone by, but it certainly wAs an issue or I would not of
mentioned it nor would I of abandoned the procedure.

IIRC it was as if the problem still triggered but in a totally different way
and iirc oddly the icons would linger a bit as they assumed themselves
as I went along and there was an odd way the browser was carrying itself
at all times ...geez... it's just hard to explain intelligently and I'm not
going to even try here because it's been a year - but one thing was a
certainty is that after using it for months I could tell something was not
quite right with it and tested on a number of different computers setups,
and so 'for me anyway' it was obvious swapping the dlls backwards
between 5/6 was a hack I was not comfortable with anymore, and going
forward my time & focus was better spent supporting discovery and resolve.

I hinted the possibility in my last post that if having to hold the Shift key
down on large size or quantify file deletes, etc, keeps me from triggering
this problem, then I will just have do that for now anyway.. ..and hold positive
intention toward supporting that it will somehow be fixed.

Rick

I figure they are either not aware, or they don't care (and have limited
resources). Probably the latter is true, since IE 7 will be coming out
soon, right? So they might just figure why bother?

And maybe this problem is only true with Win98SE (and not XP). If that's
the case, then you have the answer already.

Ivan Bútora wrote:
I do remember there were indeed some small idiosyncrasies on the machine I
tried it on, but I also can't recall what exactly they were. Probably they
were less significant than the "move/delete large number of files" problem
itself.

Frankly, the fact that Microsoft would knowingly not fix this problem is
another one of those things where I really can't understand what the
problem
is. Do you think that it's really so hard for the Microsoft software
programmers to figure out why the problem occurs and how to fix it?
Internet
Explorer 6 SP 1 was released in September 2002! I would think that two and
a
half years would be enough for Microsoft to fix an issue which affects one
of
the basic functionalities of the core of Windows.

BTW, an alternative workaround is also not to use Explorer, but a
different
file manager such as FAR (http://www.rarlab.com/far_manager.htm), Total
Commander (http://www.ghisler.com/) or WinNC (http://winnc.net/)



"Rick Chauvin" wrote in message
...
"Bill in Co." wrote in message

Rick Chauvin wrote:

[...]

I'm just not gonna swap dll's though anymore for various reasons, and
because it's not perfect as you will notice eventually,

Having fully tested it, I just think it's more appropriate to go back to
IE5.5SP2 with all its latest updates rather than swapping v5 to v6 dlls.

You keep saying this, but you never really define it. In what
specific
way is it not perfect (EXCEPT for the little bits we have already
noted)??

For one thing it's been a year since I was really into testing this and
so I
hadn't defined what using the older dlls in a newer environment did
(besides
the obvious) was because what I called idiosyncrasies was not just to be
coy,
but was hard to define in any kind of intelligent way then and especially
now
after a year has gone by, but it certainly wAs an issue or I would not of
mentioned it nor would I of abandoned the procedure.

IIRC it was as if the problem still triggered but in a totally different
way
and iirc oddly the icons would linger a bit as they assumed themselves
as I went along and there was an odd way the browser was carrying itself
at all times ...geez... it's just hard to explain intelligently and I'm
not
going to even try here because it's been a year - but one thing was a
certainty is that after using it for months I could tell something was
not
quite right with it and tested on a number of different computers setups,
and so 'for me anyway' it was obvious swapping the dlls backwards
between 5/6 was a hack I was not comfortable with anymore, and going
forward my time & focus was better spent supporting discovery and
resolve.

I hinted the possibility in my last post that if having to hold the Shift
key
down on large size or quantify file deletes, etc, keeps me from
triggering
this problem, then I will just have do that for now anyway.. ..and hold
positive intention toward supporting that it will somehow be fixed.

Rick

I think the problem definitely doesn't occur on Windows XP or 2000. Does anyone know if it's the same thing on Windows Me or 98 original?
(Either way, of course, it does not give MS an excuse not to fix it...)

"Bill in Co." wrote in message ...
I figure they are either not aware, or they don't care (and have limited
resources). Probably the latter is true, since IE 7 will be coming out
soon, right? So they might just figure why bother?

And maybe this problem is only true with Win98SE (and not XP). If that's
the case, then you have the answer already.

Ivan Bútora wrote:
I do remember there were indeed some small idiosyncrasies on the machine I
tried it on, but I also can't recall what exactly they were. Probably they
were less significant than the "move/delete large number of files" problem
itself.

Frankly, the fact that Microsoft would knowingly not fix this problem is
another one of those things where I really can't understand what the
problem
is. Do you think that it's really so hard for the Microsoft software
programmers to figure out why the problem occurs and how to fix it?
Internet
Explorer 6 SP 1 was released in September 2002! I would think that two and
a
half years would be enough for Microsoft to fix an issue which affects one
of
the basic functionalities of the core of Windows.

BTW, an alternative workaround is also not to use Explorer, but a
different
file manager such as FAR (http://www.rarlab.com/far_manager.htm), Total
Commander (http://www.ghisler.com/) or WinNC (http://winnc.net/)



"Rick Chauvin" wrote in message
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"Bill in Co." wrote in message

Rick Chauvin wrote:

[...]

I'm just not gonna swap dll's though anymore for various reasons, and
because it's not perfect as you will notice eventually,

Having fully tested it, I just think it's more appropriate to go back to
IE5.5SP2 with all its latest updates rather than swapping v5 to v6 dlls.

You keep saying this, but you never really define it. In what
specific
way is it not perfect (EXCEPT for the little bits we have already
noted)??

For one thing it's been a year since I was really into testing this and
so I
hadn't defined what using the older dlls in a newer environment did
(besides
the obvious) was because what I called idiosyncrasies was not just to be
coy,
but was hard to define in any kind of intelligent way then and especially
now
after a year has gone by, but it certainly wAs an issue or I would not of
mentioned it nor would I of abandoned the procedure.

IIRC it was as if the problem still triggered but in a totally different
way
and iirc oddly the icons would linger a bit as they assumed themselves
as I went along and there was an odd way the browser was carrying itself
at all times ...geez... it's just hard to explain intelligently and I'm
not
going to even try here because it's been a year - but one thing was a
certainty is that after using it for months I could tell something was
not
quite right with it and tested on a number of different computers setups,
and so 'for me anyway' it was obvious swapping the dlls backwards
between 5/6 was a hack I was not comfortable with anymore, and going
forward my time & focus was better spent supporting discovery and
resolve.

I hinted the possibility in my last post that if having to hold the Shift
key
down on large size or quantify file deletes, etc, keeps me from
triggering
this problem, then I will just have do that for now anyway.. ..and hold
positive intention toward supporting that it will somehow be fixed.

Rick