Critical Update

I keep being offered the same critical update, even though it shows as been
successfully installed 3 times. How do I stop this from happening. Bob

What update is it? If it is 823559, see Mow Green's reply in this thread:
http://snurl.com/3b8m

Otherwise, read he
http://www3.telus.net/dandemar/needagain.htm
--
Glen Ventura, MS MVP Shell/User, A+
http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm


"Bob B" wrote in message
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I keep being offered the same critical update, even though it shows as been
successfully installed 3 times. How do I stop this from happening. Bob

"glee" wrote in message
...
What update is it? If it is 823559, see Mow Green's reply in this thread:
http://snurl.com/3b8m

Otherwise, read he
http://www3.telus.net/dandemar/needagain.htm
--
Glen Ventura, MS MVP Shell/User, A+
http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm


"Bob B" wrote in message
...
I keep being offered the same critical update, even though it shows as
been
successfully installed 3 times. How do I stop this from happening. Bob

It is KB837009 and I now realise it for an XP OS so why am I offered it as I
have 98SE? Bob

"Bob B" wrote in message
...

"glee" wrote in message
...
What update is it? If it is 823559, see Mow Green's reply in this
thread:
http://snurl.com/3b8m

Otherwise, read he
http://www3.telus.net/dandemar/needagain.htm
--
Glen Ventura, MS MVP Shell/User, A+
http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm


"Bob B" wrote in message
...
I keep being offered the same critical update, even though it shows as
been
successfully installed 3 times. How do I stop this from happening.
Bob

It is KB837009 and I now realise it for an XP OS so why am I offered it as
I
have 98SE? Bob

You are dead wrong about that, sir.

MS04-013: Cumulative Security Update for Outlook Express
http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=837009

APPLIES TO
.. Microsoft Outlook Express 6.0
.. Microsoft Outlook Express 6.0
.. Microsoft Outlook Express 5.5

Security Bulletin MS04-013:
http://www.microsoft.com/technet/sec.../ms04-013.mspx

Affected Softwa

.. Microsoft Windows NT® Workstation 4.0 Service Pack 6a
.. Microsoft Windows NT Server 4.0 Service Pack 6a
.. Microsoft Windows NT Server 4.0 Terminal Server Edition Service Pack 6
.. Microsoft Windows 2000 Service Pack 2,
Microsoft Windows 2000 Service Pack 3,
Microsoft Windows 2000 Service Pack 4
.. Microsoft Windows XP and Microsoft Windows XP Service Pack 1
.. Microsoft Windows XP 64-Bit Edition Service Pack 1
.. Microsoft Windows XP 64-Bit Edition Version 2003
.. Microsoft Windows ServerT 2003
.. Microsoft Windows Server 2003 64-Bit Edition
.. Microsoft Windows 98,
Microsoft Windows 98 Second Edition (SE), and
Microsoft Windows Millennium Edition (ME)

Frequently asked questions (FAQ) related to this security update:

Q Are Windows 98, Windows 98 Second Edition
or Windows Millennium Edition critically affected by
the vulnerability addressed within this security bulletin?

A Yes. This vulnerability is critical in severity on Windows 98,
Windows 98 Second Edition and Windows Millennium Edition.


The reason that you are being offered this update repeatedly
is probably because you somehow managed to install
the critical updates out of sequence.

This unfortunate incident was then exacerbated by a bug or glitch
in the Windows Update procedure which reported the update
as successful, when in fact it was no such thing. However,
your installation history does NOT reflect a successful update,
so the critical keeps saying "Move over, here I come again".

The only solution that I know off is to uninstall the criticals
and then reinstall them in the proper sequence.

"Hugh Candlin" wrote in message
...

"Bob B" wrote in message
...

"glee" wrote in message
...
What update is it? If it is 823559, see Mow Green's reply in this
thread:
http://snurl.com/3b8m

Otherwise, read he
http://www3.telus.net/dandemar/needagain.htm
--
Glen Ventura, MS MVP Shell/User, A+
http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm


"Bob B" wrote in message
...
I keep being offered the same critical update, even though it shows
as
been
successfully installed 3 times. How do I stop this from happening.
Bob

It is KB837009 and I now realise it for an XP OS so why am I offered it
as
I
have 98SE? Bob

You are dead wrong about that, sir.

MS04-013: Cumulative Security Update for Outlook Express
http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=837009

APPLIES TO
. Microsoft Outlook Express 6.0
. Microsoft Outlook Express 6.0
. Microsoft Outlook Express 5.5

Security Bulletin MS04-013:
http://www.microsoft.com/technet/sec.../ms04-013.mspx

Affected Softwa

. Microsoft Windows NT® Workstation 4.0 Service Pack 6a
. Microsoft Windows NT Server 4.0 Service Pack 6a
. Microsoft Windows NT Server 4.0 Terminal Server Edition Service Pack 6
. Microsoft Windows 2000 Service Pack 2,
Microsoft Windows 2000 Service Pack 3,
Microsoft Windows 2000 Service Pack 4
. Microsoft Windows XP and Microsoft Windows XP Service Pack 1
. Microsoft Windows XP 64-Bit Edition Service Pack 1
. Microsoft Windows XP 64-Bit Edition Version 2003
. Microsoft Windows ServerT 2003
. Microsoft Windows Server 2003 64-Bit Edition
. Microsoft Windows 98,
Microsoft Windows 98 Second Edition (SE), and
Microsoft Windows Millennium Edition (ME)

Frequently asked questions (FAQ) related to this security update:

Q Are Windows 98, Windows 98 Second Edition
or Windows Millennium Edition critically affected by
the vulnerability addressed within this security bulletin?

A Yes. This vulnerability is critical in severity on Windows 98,
Windows 98 Second Edition and Windows Millennium Edition.


The reason that you are being offered this update repeatedly
is probably because you somehow managed to install
the critical updates out of sequence.

This unfortunate incident was then exacerbated by a bug or glitch
in the Windows Update procedure which reported the update
as successful, when in fact it was no such thing. However,
your installation history does NOT reflect a successful update,
so the critical keeps saying "Move over, here I come again".

The only solution that I know off is to uninstall the criticals
and then reinstall them in the proper sequence.

Thanks I will give it a go.. I also downloaded the file directly from the
microsoft site and then tried to install it ... thats when I got the warning
that the file was only for an XP system and refused to let me install it
....Bob

"Bob B" wrote in message
...

Thanks I will give it a go.. I also downloaded the file directly from the
microsoft site and then tried to install it ... thats when I got the
warning
that the file was only for an XP system and refused to let me install it

You glommed onto the wrong file.

Possibly the IE6 SP1 64-bit version, which is here

http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/d...displaylang=en

You do NOT want that file if you are running 98 or 98SE

I can assure you that 837009 is applicable to 98SE,
and a file exists which will install in a 98SE system.

If you are running IE6 SP1 32-bit version, then this is the file you want
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/d...displaylang=en

Or go back here and check the specs again and decide for yourself
http://www.microsoft.com/technet/sec.../ms04-013.mspx

"Hugh Candlin" wrote in message
...

"Bob B" wrote in message
...

Thanks I will give it a go.. I also downloaded the file directly from
the
microsoft site and then tried to install it ... thats when I got the
warning
that the file was only for an XP system and refused to let me install it

You glommed onto the wrong file.

Possibly the IE6 SP1 64-bit version, which is here


http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/d...displaylang=en

You do NOT want that file if you are running 98 or 98SE

I can assure you that 837009 is applicable to 98SE,
and a file exists which will install in a 98SE system.

If you are running IE6 SP1 32-bit version, then this is the file you want

http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/d...displaylang=en

Or go back here and check the specs again and decide for yourself
http://www.microsoft.com/technet/sec.../ms04-013.mspx

I am sure you hit the nail on the head as I found that outlook express is
version 6.00.2800.1123 and that I needed KB887797 before 837009 would
install. I duly downloaded and installed 887797. Restarted the computer.
Then installed 837009 using windows update. The same version number is
still showing for express and critical updates claim I have still to install
83700. Is my version number correct? Internet Explorer does show that I have
installed SP1 . Bob

"Bob B" wrote in message
news

"Hugh Candlin" wrote in message
...

"Bob B" wrote in message
...

Thanks I will give it a go.. I also downloaded the file directly from
the
microsoft site and then tried to install it ... thats when I got the
warning
that the file was only for an XP system and refused to let me install
it

You glommed onto the wrong file.

Possibly the IE6 SP1 64-bit version, which is here



http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/d...displaylang=en

You do NOT want that file if you are running 98 or 98SE

I can assure you that 837009 is applicable to 98SE,
and a file exists which will install in a 98SE system.

If you are running IE6 SP1 32-bit version, then this is the file you
want


http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/d...displaylang=en

Or go back here and check the specs again and decide for yourself
http://www.microsoft.com/technet/sec.../ms04-013.mspx

I am sure you hit the nail on the head as I found that outlook express is
version 6.00.2800.1123 and that I needed KB887797 before 837009 would
install. I duly downloaded and installed 887797. Restarted the computer.
Then installed 837009 using windows update. The same version number is
still showing for express and critical updates claim I have still to
install
83700. Is my version number correct? Internet Explorer does show that I
have
installed SP1 . Bob

That OE version looks OK to me, but that may not mean much.

I'm not sure that I can steer you out of your problem,
because I am having a hard time making sense of
the information in the MS knowledge base.

For example, KB887797 is identified as:

APPLIES TO
.. Microsoft Outlook Express 6.0
.. Microsoft Outlook Express 5.5
.. Microsoft Outlook Express 5.5 Service Pack 2

However, in the same KB article, the title of the update is stated to be
"Description of the Cumulative Update for Outlook Express for Windows XP
(KB887797)"

It also states that,
"Before this update is made available to you on the Windows Update Web site,
you must install cumulative security update 823353. "

For the record, I have neither of those updates, yet the Windows Update
site declares that there are no updates required on my testbed.

I have been working diligently for some time to review and consolidate
the available information, but I keep running into problems such as these.

I resisted getting involved with this Windows Update scenario
for the longest time, because my common sense and my extensive
experience in IT management and development told me
that Microsoft would NOT be able to manage this properly.

I eventually decided to do a trial run, in case I was wrong.

I tried updating a computer using the Security CD, and then
the Windows Update site. Along the way, I saw nothing
but confusion, fear, uncertainty and doubt, on my part
and on the part of many, many other who voiced their concerns
in this and in other newsgroups, and who continue to do so,
as you do.

I doubt that I will ever be able to construct a definitive analysis
of this process - Windows Update - as it relates to Win 98SE,
as the whole thing is an uncoordinated roll of the dice.

The maddening thing is that concerns such as these are ignored,
with the victim written off as "Just another Microsoft basher".

Well, in this case, it happens that I am not "Just another Microsoft
basher". I have participated in Usability Studies [confidential,
so don't ask], and depend on Microsoft software for a large part
of my computing environment. I have NO axe to grind with MS
or any other company, unless they show inability or incompetence.

Or both.

Microsoft weaseled their way out of supplying this update for Win98 and WinME, by
calling it a "non-critical security issue"....they only have to supply updates for
Critical Issues at this stage of support for those systems. Of course, the issue is
in reality just as critical on these platforms as it is on XP and other recent
platforms, and should have been given critical Update status, IMO.

You can in fact install the update for your version of IE/OE6 although it does not
list your operating system as one supported. Microsoft does not support this, nor
recommend it. I and others have successfully installed 823353 for IE/OE6 SP1 here.

See the FAQ section here -
Microsoft Security Bulletin MS04-018: Cumulative Security Update for Outlook Express
(823353):
http://www.microsoft.com/technet/sec.../ms04-018.mspx
--
Glen Ventura, MS MVP Shell/User, A+
http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm


"Hugh Candlin" wrote in message
...

"Bob B" wrote in message
news

"Hugh Candlin" wrote in message
...

"Bob B" wrote in message
...

Thanks I will give it a go.. I also downloaded the file directly from
the
microsoft site and then tried to install it ... thats when I got the
warning
that the file was only for an XP system and refused to let me install
it

You glommed onto the wrong file.

Possibly the IE6 SP1 64-bit version, which is here




http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/d...displaylang=en

You do NOT want that file if you are running 98 or 98SE

I can assure you that 837009 is applicable to 98SE,
and a file exists which will install in a 98SE system.

If you are running IE6 SP1 32-bit version, then this is the file you
want



http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/d...displaylang=en

Or go back here and check the specs again and decide for yourself
http://www.microsoft.com/technet/sec.../ms04-013.mspx

I am sure you hit the nail on the head as I found that outlook express is
version 6.00.2800.1123 and that I needed KB887797 before 837009 would
install. I duly downloaded and installed 887797. Restarted the computer.
Then installed 837009 using windows update. The same version number is
still showing for express and critical updates claim I have still to
install
83700. Is my version number correct? Internet Explorer does show that I
have
installed SP1 . Bob

That OE version looks OK to me, but that may not mean much.

I'm not sure that I can steer you out of your problem,
because I am having a hard time making sense of
the information in the MS knowledge base.

For example, KB887797 is identified as:

APPLIES TO
. Microsoft Outlook Express 6.0
. Microsoft Outlook Express 5.5
. Microsoft Outlook Express 5.5 Service Pack 2

However, in the same KB article, the title of the update is stated to be
"Description of the Cumulative Update for Outlook Express for Windows XP
(KB887797)"

It also states that,
"Before this update is made available to you on the Windows Update Web site,
you must install cumulative security update 823353. "

For the record, I have neither of those updates, yet the Windows Update
site declares that there are no updates required on my testbed.

I have been working diligently for some time to review and consolidate
the available information, but I keep running into problems such as these.

I resisted getting involved with this Windows Update scenario
for the longest time, because my common sense and my extensive
experience in IT management and development told me
that Microsoft would NOT be able to manage this properly.

I eventually decided to do a trial run, in case I was wrong.

I tried updating a computer using the Security CD, and then
the Windows Update site. Along the way, I saw nothing
but confusion, fear, uncertainty and doubt, on my part
and on the part of many, many other who voiced their concerns
in this and in other newsgroups, and who continue to do so,
as you do.

I doubt that I will ever be able to construct a definitive analysis
of this process - Windows Update - as it relates to Win 98SE,
as the whole thing is an uncoordinated roll of the dice.

The maddening thing is that concerns such as these are ignored,
with the victim written off as "Just another Microsoft basher".

Well, in this case, it happens that I am not "Just another Microsoft
basher". I have participated in Usability Studies [confidential,
so don't ask], and depend on Microsoft software for a large part
of my computing environment. I have NO axe to grind with MS
or any other company, unless they show inability or incompetence.

Or both.

Hugh Candlin wrote:
"Bob B" wrote in message
news

"Hugh Candlin" wrote in message
...

"Bob B" wrote in message
...

Thanks I will give it a go.. I also downloaded the file directly
from
the
microsoft site and then tried to install it ... thats when I got
the
warning
that the file was only for an XP system and refused to let me
install
it

You glommed onto the wrong file.

Possibly the IE6 SP1 64-bit version, which is here




http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/d...displaylang=en

You do NOT want that file if you are running 98 or 98SE

I can assure you that 837009 is applicable to 98SE,
and a file exists which will install in a 98SE system.

If you are running IE6 SP1 32-bit version, then this is the file you
want



http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/d...displaylang=en

Or go back here and check the specs again and decide for yourself
http://www.microsoft.com/technet/sec.../ms04-013.mspx

I am sure you hit the nail on the head as I found that outlook
express is
version 6.00.2800.1123 and that I needed KB887797 before 837009 would
install. I duly downloaded and installed 887797. Restarted the
computer.
Then installed 837009 using windows update. The same version number
is
still showing for express and critical updates claim I have still to
install
83700. Is my version number correct? Internet Explorer does show
that I
have
installed SP1 . Bob

That OE version looks OK to me, but that may not mean much.

I'm not sure that I can steer you out of your problem,
because I am having a hard time making sense of
the information in the MS knowledge base.

For example, KB887797 is identified as:

APPLIES TO
. Microsoft Outlook Express 6.0
. Microsoft Outlook Express 5.5
. Microsoft Outlook Express 5.5 Service Pack 2

However, in the same KB article, the title of the update is stated to
be "Description of the Cumulative Update for Outlook Express for
Windows XP (KB887797)"

It also states that,
"Before this update is made available to you on the Windows Update
Web site, you must install cumulative security update 823353. "

For the record, I have neither of those updates, yet the Windows
Update
site declares that there are no updates required on my testbed.

I have been working diligently for some time to review and consolidate
the available information, but I keep running into problems such as
these.

I resisted getting involved with this Windows Update scenario
for the longest time, because my common sense and my extensive
experience in IT management and development told me
that Microsoft would NOT be able to manage this properly.

I eventually decided to do a trial run, in case I was wrong.

I tried updating a computer using the Security CD, and then
the Windows Update site. Along the way, I saw nothing
but confusion, fear, uncertainty and doubt, on my part
and on the part of many, many other who voiced their concerns
in this and in other newsgroups, and who continue to do so,
as you do.

I doubt that I will ever be able to construct a definitive analysis
of this process - Windows Update - as it relates to Win 98SE,
as the whole thing is an uncoordinated roll of the dice.

The maddening thing is that concerns such as these are ignored,
with the victim written off as "Just another Microsoft basher".

Well, in this case, it happens that I am not "Just another Microsoft
basher". I have participated in Usability Studies [confidential,
so don't ask], and depend on Microsoft software for a large part
of my computing environment. I have NO axe to grind with MS
or any other company, unless they show inability or incompetence.

Or both.

Amen bro'