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did you see this page:


http://www.thinkcp.com/techsupport/driver.asp

Good job and the right Info!




Almost makes me want to run win98 again

In to day world you can have your cake and eat it too!


Yep

over the weekend I actually fired up a win98 machine

In message , Bill in Co
writes:
thanatoid wrote:
philo wrote in
:

On 03/26/2011 09:17 PM, Bill in Co wrote:
thanatoid wrote:
wrote in
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Almost makes me want to run win98 again

I love it. The LITE version. Active Desktop etc. are
unbearable.

I never ran Active Desktop with Win98SE - you don't need
the Lite version for that. What other "etc" you're
talking about, who knows. Win98SE is, in itself, pretty
light.

Yes. I've run Win Lite...
but Win98 unmodified works fine on most any p-1 and up with
at least 64 megs of RAM.

98SE Lite uses 3 main system files from 95B, so it is in fact
"smaller" than 98 first edition.

But all of them are bantamweights!

I hate "everything shows as a web page" with idiot tips on the
left which 98 introduced.

I disabled all that (just like Active Desktop). Pretty easy to do.
The benefits then being that you can still run Win98SE, and get the best of
all worlds, since you have the latest and most complete version of Win98
that way.
It just takes a few minutes to disable some of the "etc", which takes all of
ten minutes. :-)

Thanatoid and I looked at the alleged benefits '98 gave us, and decided
none of them were anything we wanted, for the extra instability (however
tiny) its extra complexity involved - or rather, the 98lite approach
gives us all we want (such as _somewhat_ better USB support) in a
smaller sleeker package. [Actually, there's one thing I moss with 98lite
as opposed to 98normal: the progress bar when copying more than one file
at once is better. But I was willing to live with that.]
[]
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G.5AL-IS-P--Ch++(p)Ar@T0H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

Veni Vidi Vacuum [I came, I saw, It sucked] - , 1998

thanatoid

EVO D510
Was not made to Windows 98,
But in the Windows 2000 have update for USB 2.0

Compaq EVO D510,

Select operating system

» Microsoft Windows 2000
» Microsoft Windows NT 4.0
» Microsoft Windows XP Home Edition
» Microsoft Windows XP Professional
» OS/2
» OS/2 Warp

http://h20000.www2.hp.com/bizsupport...5&swEnvOID=181

USB 2.0 Support for Windows 2000 1.00 A 6 Feb 2004

Do Not Run
Driver - Chipset
Intel Chipset Support for Windows 5.1.0.1008 A 18 Jan 2005 2.6

it will not work with Windows 98!

In message , glee
writes:
"thanatoid" wrote in message
...
[]
The add-on card is just 2 USB connectors and wires that go into
the MB.
[]
How long has this Belkin USB card been installed? Did you just put it
in, or has it been there a while? Did it ever work? Does it work with
other devices?

Does the card have its own Win98 drivers or is it a newer card that
does not have them? What model is the card? Did you check the Belkin
web site for drivers?

Is it a USB 2.0 card? I installed a USB 2.0 card in an old Pentium
[]
What thanatoid describes isn't a "card", just an adapter - a lead, if
you like; it has no electronics on it. The USB controller it goes with
is on the MB - just connected to headers that aren't standard USB
headers. As such, it won't have drivers.
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G.5AL-IS-P--Ch++(p)Ar@T0H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

Veni Vidi Vacuum [I came, I saw, It sucked] - , 1998

"glee" wrote in
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snip

How long has this Belkin USB card been installed?

About a week. I tried it about 5 years ago but had the wires in
the MB connectors wrong. I did it correctly this time, and it
/is/ recognized by the system.

Did you
just put it in, or has it been there a while? Did it ever
work? Does it work with other devices?

It is "recognized and working correctly" but when I plug in a
flash drive, nothing happens. I have not tried it with any other
devices. I do have a digital camera with a USB cable but I
figured if a 2MB Kingston stick won't work, nothing will.

Does the card have its own Win98 drivers or is it a newer
card that does not have them? What model is the card? Did
you check the Belkin web site for drivers?

It is this:
http://www.belkin.com/support/articl...26pid%3DF3U001
%26aid%3D4275%26scid%3D0

No drivers, nothing. They actually call it a cable which come to
think IS the correct term - it IS a cable with a bracket on
which the USB ports are. Plugs into the MB.

Is it a USB 2.0 card?

I am pretty sure it is 1.1 because it is from 1998, although I
bought it much later. Actually, if there us /no/ difference in
the connectors, it can be anything, but I have contacted PCChips
and they replied IMMEDIATELY and among other things have told me
that the MB has USB 1.1. support.

However, they said it is controlled by the Intel 430TX chipset,
but Franc mentioned the USB function on those MB's is controlled
either by SIS or VIA.
I will have to look into this.

Since my 3 yr. old LG CRT monitor died this morning, I have
struggled with getting the Intel Xtreme graphics to work with my
backup 17 year old HP monitor. To make it short(er) for a
change, I am on 16 colors at 640x480 because while I DID finally
figure out that changing the display driver in system.ini to vga
or supervga will prevent the psychedelic screen display (85Hz on
a monitor which can only do 60Hz at 800x600), the system tells
me the driver is NG/incompatible/etc.

I don't mind, actually. It is nice to be looking at a 14"
monitor. I am amazed how well it is working.

I installed a USB 2.0 card in an old
Pentium system years ago, and it would not function if the
"Enhanced USB Host Controller" (which is the USB 2.0
controller) was installed. If I removed the Enhanced
Controller from Device Manager and did not allow it to
reinstall (leaving it banged out in DM as an unknown
device), the card functioned as USB 1.1 ports with no
problems, using a 2.x version of the Maximus Decim mass
storage drivers.

I vaguely (my memory is getting worse all the time) remember
that when I installed the Max Decim drivers upon rebooting,
Windows wanted to install its drivers which I have removed, and,
it haviong been a long time since I did any hardware stuff, lket
alone /display/, and being older and dumber, I let it install
them instead of just "skipping the files". I was going to try
"skipping" them next, along with a variety of other drivers I
have located all over the place and which philo also directed me
to.

But as I just said, I was a little distracted by no system at
all for a while. It took me a while to figure out how to use the
old HP (made by Samsung ICAC) with the Compaq EVO.

Most of the 3rd-party USB generic drivers like the Italian
driver, only provide support for the plugged-in mass
storage devices, not for the card itself.

I apologize for using the term card, I should have said cable
from the beginning.

The 3.x
versions, but NOT the 2.x versions of the Maximus Decim
drivers, supply Enhanced drivers for the card also, but you
have to make sure you first remove any Enhanced USB 2.0
drivers that were installed with the card originally, IIRC.

Yes, I did that, but not /exactly/ right. Franc tells me he has
the 571 (identical to my 572 except missing either audio or
video onboard IIRC) and the 3.x version works perfectly.

Thank you for the reply.

"MyNews" wrote in
:

thanatoid

EVO D510
Was not made to Windows 98,
But in the Windows 2000 have update for USB 2.0

Compaq EVO D510,

Select operating system

» Microsoft Windows 2000
» Microsoft Windows NT 4.0
» Microsoft Windows XP Home Edition
» Microsoft Windows XP Professional
» OS/2
» OS/2 Warp

http://h20000.www2.hp.com/bizsupport...rt/SoftwareInd
ex.jsp?lang=en&cc=us&prodNameId=97131&prodTypeId=1 2454&prodS
eriesId=96302&swLang=13&taskId=135&swEnvOID=181

USB 2.0 Support for Windows 2000 1.00 A 6 Feb 2004

Do Not Run
Driver - Chipset
Intel Chipset Support for Windows 5.1.0.1008 A 18 Jan 2005
2.6

it will not work with Windows 98!

I appreciate the time you took to look this up, but USB works
perfectly with my EVO D510 on 98SE Lite - once I installed the
Max Decim 3.3 driver for 98. It always worked on XP (it's a
dual-boot).

This problem concerns a 1997 computer with a PCChips M572 MB.

"MyNews" wrote in
:


thanatoid

EVO D510
Was not made to Windows 98,
But in the Windows 2000 have update for USB 2.0

Compaq EVO D510,

Select operating system

» Microsoft Windows 2000
» Microsoft Windows NT 4.0
» Microsoft Windows XP Home Edition
» Microsoft Windows XP Professional
» OS/2
» OS/2 Warp

http://h20000.www2.hp.com/bizsupport...rt/SoftwareInd
ex.jsp?lang=en&cc=us&prodNameId=97131&prodTypeId=1 2454&prodS
eriesId=96302&swLang=13&taskId=135&swEnvOID=181

USB 2.0 Support for Windows 2000 1.00 A 6 Feb 2004

Do Not Run
Driver - Chipset
Intel Chipset Support for Windows 5.1.0.1008 A 18 Jan 2005
2.6

it will not work with Windows 98!

I appreciate the time you took to look this up, but my Compaq
EVO has no problems with USB on Win 98Lite once I installed the
Max Decim 3.3 drivers.

This problem concerns a 1997 PI computer with a PCChips M572 MB.

"J. P. Gilliver (John)" wrote in message
...
In message , glee
writes:
"thanatoid" wrote in message
...
[]
The add-on card is just 2 USB connectors and wires that go into
the MB.
[]
How long has this Belkin USB card been installed? Did you just put it
in, or has it been there a while? Did it ever work? Does it work
with other devices?

Does the card have its own Win98 drivers or is it a newer card that
does not have them? What model is the card? Did you check the Belkin
web site for drivers?

Is it a USB 2.0 card? I installed a USB 2.0 card in an old Pentium
[]
What thanatoid describes isn't a "card", just an adapter - a lead, if
you like; it has no electronics on it. The USB controller it goes with
is on the MB - just connected to headers that aren't standard USB
headers. As such, it won't have drivers.


Ahhh! I missed that detail. He's using a motherboard adapter cable set
like this, then:
http://www.amazon.com/Belkin-Dual-Po.../dp/B00004Z5NH
or more closely for that mobo, this:
http://www.m571.com/m571/usb_files/image005.gif

It connects to the USB header on the motherboard, but he will have to be
sure to get the pin-outs right. If using an adapter not made for that
mobo, the wires may not be in the proper order and will have to be
rearranged. Franc covered this in thanatoid's older thread from 3 years
ago:
http://help.wugnet.com/windows2/ftop...orderasc-.html

--
Glen Ventura
MS MVP Oct. 2002 - Sept. 2009
CompTIA A+
http://dts-l.net/

"Bill in Co" wrote in
m:

thanatoid wrote:

98SE Lite uses 3 main system files from 95B, so it is in
fact "smaller" than 98 first edition.

But all of them are bantamweights!

Some cocks are bigger than others ;-)

I hate "everything shows as a web page" with idiot tips on
the left which 98 introduced.

I disabled all that (just like Active Desktop). Pretty
easy to do. The benefits then being that you can still run
Win98SE, and get the best of all worlds, since you have the
latest and most complete version of Win98 that way.
It just takes a few minutes to disable some of the "etc",
which takes all of ten minutes. :-)

I can do absolutely everything with 98SE /Lite/ except capture
video since no card/box exists which has drivers for anything
older than XP. That is the /only/ reason I installed XP. It
drives me /crazy/, I hate it. That's why I occasionally venture
into eldritch and forbidden areas - such as Linux Mint and soon,
Haiti.

I can see one possible advantage in running Win98 Lite, and
that might be for someone trying to run Win98 on, say, 64K
of RAM, or using a 100 MHz CPU. But, let's get real! :-)

AFAIK, me sitting here and doing this in 98SE Lite is pretty
real.

The USB card/cable problem has arisen EXACTLY because I just
installed 98SE Lite on a 1997 PI 166MHz with 96MB of RAM. And I
am trying to get the 2 USB ports to work. I have a lot of stuff
to do, and I could really use the 2 computers again. I just
don't really want to burn CD-RW's to transfer info between them,
when USB /should/ work on the 166!

(I also have a bunch of USB DOS drivers and will try them if
nothing works in Windows.)

When I first used it I had a p-1 75mhz with 40 megs of
RAM.

I eventually upgraded the machine to 200mhz and 128 megs
of ram and it performed very well.

I'm sure it did - even my 166 with 96MB of RAM works fine - a
little slow compared to the 2GHz Compaq, but it's nice and
nostalgic.

snip

philo wrote in news:imqn51$3hq$2@dont-
email.me:


did you see this page:

http://www.thinkcp.com/techsupport/driver.asp

Good job and the right Info!

Almost makes me want to run win98 again

In to day world you can have your cake and eat it too!

Yep

over the weekend I actually fired up a win98 machine

How was it? As much fun as you thought or a little "too
nostalgically slow"?