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IE6 SP1, and the "large number of files, copy and delete problem"
Well, I did try this out, and yes, indeed, lo and behold, it hangs up the
system (in windows explorer) a bit when you try to either copy or delete a large number of files. (I tested it out on the Favorites folder ecently - copy, and later delete that copy). I've seen the fix proposed here, where those two IE 6 browse DLL files are swapped out with the older ones from IE 5.5, and was wondering if anyone is using that now. From what I remember reading about this, you will lose the ability to "repair" IE in Add/Remove, unless you put the original DLLs back, but other than that, what's the verdict here? So - is anyone in here using IE 6 SP1 (and Win98E) with the two browse DLL files swapped out to the older IE 5.5 versions, and if so, how is it working out for you? Any problems? |
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PCR wrote:
Better than swapping them out... Move the IE6 versions of Browselc.dll & Browseui.dll from "C:Windows\System\" to the folder that contains IE6 (IEXPLORE.EXE), which is "C:\Program Files\Internet Explorer\". Then, move the IE5.5 versions of those DLL's into "C:Windows\System\". That way, only Explorer uses the older .DLL's. Right - I remember that now. You lose "Lock Toolbars in Explorer. Also the IE Repair Tool will fail, Well, those "losses" aren't too bad!!! (can always copy em back for the IE Repair Tool) unless you switch the DLL's temporarily back. Naturally, you do lose any MS critical patch that was applied to these DLL's, but in Explorer only. But I only know all of that from reading it, Colorado. Yeah, that's coming back now. I'm wondering if anyone has been doing this for awhile now? I guess you haven't swapped them out. I'm almost tempted to, though. I may do it. -- Thanks or Good Luck, There may be humor in this post, and, Naturally, you will not sue, should things get worse after this, PCR "Bill in Co." wrote in message ... Well, I did try this out, and yes, indeed, lo and behold, it hangs up the system (in windows explorer) a bit when you try to either copy or delete a large number of files. (I tested it out on the Favorites folder ecently - copy, and later delete that copy). I've seen the fix proposed here, where those two IE 6 browse DLL files are swapped out with the older ones from IE 5.5, and was wondering if anyone is using that now. From what I remember reading about this, you will lose the ability to "repair" IE in Add/Remove, unless you put the original DLLs back, but other than that, what's the verdict here? So - is anyone in here using IE 6 SP1 (and Win98E) with the two browse DLL files swapped out to the older IE 5.5 versions, and if so, how is it working out for you? Any problems? |
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How do you know that IE chooses to use the DLL's in C:\Program Files\Internet Explorer rather than in C:\Windows\System?
Bill, I did try it one machine home in Slovakia, and it worked fine. Question for PCR: How about just swapping ONE of those files... does that make any difference? Question for everyone: Does Microsoft ever intent to fix this problem with IE 6 SP1? Does this affect only Windows 98, or also other operating systems? "PCR" wrote in message ... Better than swapping them out... Move the IE6 versions of Browselc.dll & Browseui.dll from "C:Windows\System\" to the folder that contains IE6 (IEXPLORE.EXE), which is "C:\Program Files\Internet Explorer\". Then, move the IE5.5 versions of those DLL's into "C:Windows\System\". That way, only Explorer uses the older .DLL's. You lose "Lock Toolbars in Explorer. Also the IE Repair Tool will fail, unless you switch the DLL's temporarily back. Naturally, you do lose any MS critical patch that was applied to these DLL's, but in Explorer only. But I only know all of that from reading it, Colorado. -- Thanks or Good Luck, There may be humor in this post, and, Naturally, you will not sue, should things get worse after this, PCR "Bill in Co." wrote in message ... | Well, I did try this out, and yes, indeed, lo and behold, it hangs up the | system (in windows explorer) a bit when you try to either copy or delete a | large number of files. (I tested it out on the Favorites folder | ecently - copy, and later delete that copy). | | I've seen the fix proposed here, where those two IE 6 browse DLL files are | swapped out with the older ones from IE 5.5, and was wondering if anyone is | using that now. | | From what I remember reading about this, you will lose the ability to | "repair" IE in Add/Remove, unless you put the original DLLs back, but other | than that, what's the verdict here? | | So - is anyone in here using IE 6 SP1 (and Win98E) with the two browse DLL | files swapped out to the older IE 5.5 versions, and if so, how is it working | out for you? Any problems? | | |
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I believe the original thread in here that addressed these issues was this
one: http://groups-beta.google.com/group/..._discussion/br owse_thread/thread/3b082d09e51e4dc3/3b593f09190d2ff3?q=(browseui)+group:micr osoft.public.win98.gen_discussion#3b593f09190d2ff3 I would think it's best to keep the two IE 5.5 "browse" DLLs together as a pair, in case they reference each other's versions, in some arcane function calls (just as a guess) I don't know whether or not the file copy problem can be solved by replacing just one of them, but it may be a bad idea anyway, for the reason just mentioned (who knows when it might raise its ugly head) But that's just a guess on my part. As far as a fix is concerned, I think the consensus here was: don't hold your breath. I doubt it too. Besides, IE 7 will be out, if it isn't already. (but that's no good for us Win98'ers, though) Ivan Bútora wrote: How do you know that IE chooses to use the DLL's in C:\Program Files\Internet Explorer rather than in C:\Windows\System? Bill, I did try it one machine home in Slovakia, and it worked fine. Question for PCR: How about just swapping ONE of those files... does that make any difference? Question for everyone: Does Microsoft ever intent to fix this problem with IE 6 SP1? Does this affect only Windows 98, or also other operating systems? "PCR" wrote in message ... Better than swapping them out... Move the IE6 versions of Browselc.dll & Browseui.dll from "C:Windows\System\" to the folder that contains IE6 (IEXPLORE.EXE), which is "C:\Program Files\Internet Explorer\". Then, move the IE5.5 versions of those DLL's into "C:Windows\System\". That way, only Explorer uses the older .DLL's. You lose "Lock Toolbars in Explorer. Also the IE Repair Tool will fail, unless you switch the DLL's temporarily back. Naturally, you do lose any MS critical patch that was applied to these DLL's, but in Explorer only. But I only know all of that from reading it, Colorado. -- Thanks or Good Luck, There may be humor in this post, and, Naturally, you will not sue, should things get worse after this, PCR "Bill in Co." wrote in message ... Well, I did try this out, and yes, indeed, lo and behold, it hangs up the system (in windows explorer) a bit when you try to either copy or delete a large number of files. (I tested it out on the Favorites folder ecently - copy, and later delete that copy). I've seen the fix proposed here, where those two IE 6 browse DLL files are swapped out with the older ones from IE 5.5, and was wondering if anyone is using that now. From what I remember reading about this, you will lose the ability to "repair" IE in Add/Remove, unless you put the original DLLs back, but other than that, what's the verdict here? So - is anyone in here using IE 6 SP1 (and Win98E) with the two browse DLL files swapped out to the older IE 5.5 versions, and if so, how is it working out for you? Any problems? |
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Bútora, Colorado, I think Chauvin has more experience with it than I,
BUT suddenly I do recall testing it briefly. There's no harm in the testing; JUST DON'T wipe the newer .DLL's in the process, is all. My memory is hazy on it. Really, you must try it yourself, as I see Chauvin mentions several possible triggers of the flaw I never knew of. Yours may be different from mine. I vaguely recall looking somewhere to see ALL FOUR .DLLs were loaded. I can't recall where, but, if you do it by moving the newer ones into "C:\Program Files\Internet Explorer", where IExplore.exe lives, (& put the older ones into "C\Windows\System)... THEN... At "START, Run, MSInfo32, Internet Explorer, File Versions", you should see the newer ones still... browselc.dll 6.0.2800.1106 62 KB 8/29/02 12:00:00 AM C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM Microsoft Corporation browseui.dll 6.0.2800.1612 994 KB 12/7/04 05:41:16 PM C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM Microsoft Corporation ...., & I guess that means you continue to have their protection in IE. Can it be, it was at "...MSInfo32, Software Environment, 32-bit Modules Loaded" that I saw all four? Anyway, I DID lose "Explorer, View menu, Lock the Toolbars" in Explorer; so I knew Explorer was using the older IE5.5 .DLLs. Best to test it for yourself. I don't DO a massive Copy of .5 GB worth of folders full of folders & files in Explorer all that often to make it worthwhile for me. (In fact, I've NEVER done it, except to test this stupid bug.) Anyway, my last tries using the NEW .dll's weren't all that bad. After the Copy, which goes quick (2 mins.), Explorer seemed to freeze,-- BUT hitting F5 caused it to update it's display immediately, & all was well. I guess it was stuck at the refresh. However, there was a problem Deleting that bunch-- seemed to run out of Resources, IIRC, though Resource Meter disagreed. It wasn't pleasant, but the Delete got done, & I rebooted. Better do that reboot! -- Thanks or Good Luck, There may be humor in this post, and, Naturally, you will not sue, should things get worse after this, PER "Bill in Co." wrote in message ... | I believe the original thread in here that addressed these issues was this | one: | http://groups-beta.google.com/group/..._discussion/br | owse_thread/thread/3b082d09e51e4dc3/3b593f09190d2ff3?q=(browseui)+group: micr | osoft.public.win98.gen_discussion#3b593f09190d2ff3 | | I would think it's best to keep the two IE 5.5 "browse" DLLs together as a | pair, in case they reference each other's versions, in some arcane function | calls (just as a guess) | | I don't know whether or not the file copy problem can be solved by replacing | just one of them, but it may be a bad idea anyway, for the reason just | mentioned (who knows when it might raise its ugly head) But that's just | a guess on my part. | | As far as a fix is concerned, I think the consensus here was: don't hold | your breath. I doubt it too. Besides, IE 7 will be out, if it isn't | already. (but that's no good for us Win98'ers, though) | | Ivan Bútora wrote: | How do you know that IE chooses to use the DLL's in C:\Program | Files\Internet | Explorer rather than in C:\Windows\System? | Bill, I did try it one machine home in Slovakia, and it worked fine. | Question for PCR: How about just swapping ONE of those files... does that | make any difference? | Question for everyone: Does Microsoft ever intent to fix this problem with | IE | 6 SP1? Does this affect only Windows 98, or also other operating systems? | | | "PCR" wrote in message | ... | Better than swapping them out... Move the IE6 versions | of Browselc.dll & Browseui.dll from "C:Windows\System\" to the folder | that contains IE6 (IEXPLORE.EXE), which is "C:\Program Files\Internet | Explorer\". Then, move the IE5.5 versions of those DLL's into | "C:Windows\System\". | | That way, only Explorer uses the older .DLL's. | | You lose "Lock Toolbars in Explorer. Also the IE Repair Tool will | fail, unless you switch the DLL's temporarily back. Naturally, you do | lose any MS critical patch that was applied to these DLL's, but in | Explorer only. | | But I only know all of that from reading it, Colorado. | | | -- | Thanks or Good Luck, | There may be humor in this post, and, | Naturally, you will not sue, | should things get worse after this, | PCR | | "Bill in Co." wrote in message | ... | Well, I did try this out, and yes, indeed, lo and behold, it hangs up | the | system (in windows explorer) a bit when you try to either copy or | delete a | large number of files. (I tested it out on the Favorites folder | ecently - copy, and later delete that copy). | | I've seen the fix proposed here, where those two IE 6 browse DLL files | are | swapped out with the older ones from IE 5.5, and was wondering if | anyone is | using that now. | | From what I remember reading about this, you will lose the ability to | "repair" IE in Add/Remove, unless you put the original DLLs back, but | other | than that, what's the verdict here? | | So - is anyone in here using IE 6 SP1 (and Win98E) with the two browse | DLL | files swapped out to the older IE 5.5 versions, and if so, how is it | working | out for you? Any problems? | | |
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PCR wrote:
Bútora, Colorado, I think Chauvin has more experience with it than I, BUT suddenly I do recall testing it briefly. There's no harm in the testing; JUST DON'T wipe the newer .DLL's in the process, is all. My memory is hazy on it. Really, you must try it yourself, as I see Chauvin mentions several possible triggers of the flaw I never knew of. Yours may be different from mine. I tried it, and am still on it, and love it. I ain't going back unless I have to! The difference in file copies and deletes is just staggering. Now explorer acts like it used to - and like it's supposed to. I vaguely recall looking somewhere to see ALL FOUR .DLLs were loaded. I can't recall where, but, if you do it by moving the newer ones into "C:\Program Files\Internet Explorer", where IExplore.exe lives, (& put the older ones into "C\Windows\System)... THEN... I've done that already. At "START, Run, MSInfo32, Internet Explorer, File Versions", you should see the newer ones still... browselc.dll 6.0.2800.1106 62 KB 8/29/02 12:00:00 AM C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM Microsoft Corporation browseui.dll 6.0.2800.1612 994 KB 12/7/04 05:41:16 PM C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM Microsoft Corporation ..., & I guess that means you continue to have their protection in IE. Can it be, it was at "...MSInfo32, Software Environment, 32-bit Modules Loaded" that I saw all four? I see all four, two in the system folder, two in the internet explorer folder, just as expected. Anyway, I DID lose "Explorer, View menu, Lock the Toolbars" in Explorer; so I knew Explorer was using the older IE5.5 .DLLs. But who needs that in there, anyway. I don't lock em. Best to test it for yourself. I don't DO a massive Copy of .5 GB worth of folders full of folders & files in Explorer all that often to make it worthwhile for me. (In fact, I've NEVER done it, except to test this stupid bug.) Anyway, my last tries using the NEW .dll's weren't all that bad. After the Copy, which goes quick (2 mins.), Explorer seemed to freeze,-- BUT hitting F5 caused it to update it's display immediately, & all was well. I guess it was stuck at the refresh. However, there was a problem Deleting that bunch-- seemed to run out of Resources, IIRC, though Resource Meter disagreed. It wasn't pleasant, but the Delete got done, & I rebooted. Better do that reboot! From my tests today, the difference is like night and day! Explorer is *finally* working like it's supposed to! - like it used to, with no hangs, so far, in my file copy and delete tests. Much better - and quite noticeable. That previous hang in file copies and deletes was unacceptable (for me). -- Thanks or Good Luck, There may be humor in this post, and, Naturally, you will not sue, should things get worse after this, PER "Bill in Co." wrote in message ... I believe the original thread in here that addressed these issues was this one: http://groups-beta.google.com/group/..._discussion/br owse_thread/thread/3b082d09e51e4dc3/3b593f09190d2ff3?q=(browseui)+group: micr osoft.public.win98.gen_discussion#3b593f09190d2ff3 I would think it's best to keep the two IE 5.5 "browse" DLLs together as a pair, in case they reference each other's versions, in some arcane function calls (just as a guess) I don't know whether or not the file copy problem can be solved by replacing just one of them, but it may be a bad idea anyway, for the reason just mentioned (who knows when it might raise its ugly head) But that's just a guess on my part. As far as a fix is concerned, I think the consensus here was: don't hold your breath. I doubt it too. Besides, IE 7 will be out, if it isn't already. (but that's no good for us Win98'ers, though) Ivan Bútora wrote: How do you know that IE chooses to use the DLL's in C:\Program Files\Internet Explorer rather than in C:\Windows\System? Bill, I did try it one machine home in Slovakia, and it worked fine. Question for PCR: How about just swapping ONE of those files... does that make any difference? Question for everyone: Does Microsoft ever intent to fix this problem with IE 6 SP1? Does this affect only Windows 98, or also other operating systems? "PCR" wrote in message ... Better than swapping them out... Move the IE6 versions of Browselc.dll & Browseui.dll from "C:Windows\System\" to the folder that contains IE6 (IEXPLORE.EXE), which is "C:\Program Files\Internet Explorer\". Then, move the IE5.5 versions of those DLL's into "C:Windows\System\". That way, only Explorer uses the older .DLL's. You lose "Lock Toolbars in Explorer. Also the IE Repair Tool will fail, unless you switch the DLL's temporarily back. Naturally, you do lose any MS critical patch that was applied to these DLL's, but in Explorer only. But I only know all of that from reading it, Colorado. -- Thanks or Good Luck, There may be humor in this post, and, Naturally, you will not sue, should things get worse after this, PCR "Bill in Co." wrote in message ... Well, I did try this out, and yes, indeed, lo and behold, it hangs up the system (in windows explorer) a bit when you try to either copy or delete a large number of files. (I tested it out on the Favorites folder ecently - copy, and later delete that copy). I've seen the fix proposed here, where those two IE 6 browse DLL files are swapped out with the older ones from IE 5.5, and was wondering if anyone is using that now. From what I remember reading about this, you will lose the ability to "repair" IE in Add/Remove, unless you put the original DLLs back, but other than that, what's the verdict here? So - is anyone in here using IE 6 SP1 (and Win98E) with the two browse DLL files swapped out to the older IE 5.5 versions, and if so, how is it working out for you? Any problems? |
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....and what about the IE 6 gold versions of the files - has anybody tried that?
"PCR" wrote in message ... Better than swapping them out... Move the IE6 versions of Browselc.dll & Browseui.dll from "C:Windows\System\" to the folder that contains IE6 (IEXPLORE.EXE), which is "C:\Program Files\Internet Explorer\". Then, move the IE5.5 versions of those DLL's into "C:Windows\System\". That way, only Explorer uses the older .DLL's. You lose "Lock Toolbars in Explorer. Also the IE Repair Tool will fail, unless you switch the DLL's temporarily back. Naturally, you do lose any MS critical patch that was applied to these DLL's, but in Explorer only. But I only know all of that from reading it, Colorado. -- Thanks or Good Luck, There may be humor in this post, and, Naturally, you will not sue, should things get worse after this, PCR "Bill in Co." wrote in message ... | Well, I did try this out, and yes, indeed, lo and behold, it hangs up the | system (in windows explorer) a bit when you try to either copy or delete a | large number of files. (I tested it out on the Favorites folder | ecently - copy, and later delete that copy). | | I've seen the fix proposed here, where those two IE 6 browse DLL files are | swapped out with the older ones from IE 5.5, and was wondering if anyone is | using that now. | | From what I remember reading about this, you will lose the ability to | "repair" IE in Add/Remove, unless you put the original DLLs back, but other | than that, what's the verdict here? | | So - is anyone in here using IE 6 SP1 (and Win98E) with the two browse DLL | files swapped out to the older IE 5.5 versions, and if so, how is it working | out for you? Any problems? | | |
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If you're going to replace two newer DLLs with older versions, why
bother to run IE6 at all? You've certainly negated at least some of security benefits that IE6 has over IE 5.5. -- Gary S. Terhune MS MVP Shell/User http://www.grystmill.com/articles/cleanboot.htm http://www.grystmill.com/articles/security.htm "Bill in Co." wrote in message ... Well, I did try this out, and yes, indeed, lo and behold, it hangs up the system (in windows explorer) a bit when you try to either copy or delete a large number of files. (I tested it out on the Favorites folder ecently - copy, and later delete that copy). I've seen the fix proposed here, where those two IE 6 browse DLL files are swapped out with the older ones from IE 5.5, and was wondering if anyone is using that now. From what I remember reading about this, you will lose the ability to "repair" IE in Add/Remove, unless you put the original DLLs back, but other than that, what's the verdict here? So - is anyone in here using IE 6 SP1 (and Win98E) with the two browse DLL files swapped out to the older IE 5.5 versions, and if so, how is it working out for you? Any problems? |
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Gary S. Terhune wrote:
If you're going to replace two newer DLLs with older versions, why bother to run IE6 at all? Because I *have* it installed now, and it would be a pain in the ass to try to get back to IE 5.5 at this point. The only reason I'm here on IE 6 in the first place is because of some of those damn WU updates messin with my system! I'm thru with them now. Period. Perhaps you recall that old chinese proverb? Let me modify it - for my case: " fool me once, shame on you! " " fool me twice, shame on you! " " fool me thrice, shame on ME! " I'm done with WU. Fortunately I'm stuck with IE 6 SP1, which is pretty secure in its own right. And I'm leaving it at that - period. You've certainly negated at least some of security benefits that IE6 has over IE 5.5. If you want to be totally secure, I'd suggest you wait until we move into the next world, as it ain't gonna happen down here. Or, if you prefer, accept that "true security lies within" End of sermon. :-) -- Gary S. Terhune MS MVP Shell/User http://www.grystmill.com/articles/cleanboot.htm http://www.grystmill.com/articles/security.htm "Bill in Co." wrote in message ... Well, I did try this out, and yes, indeed, lo and behold, it hangs up the system (in windows explorer) a bit when you try to either copy or delete a large number of files. (I tested it out on the Favorites folder ecently - copy, and later delete that copy). I've seen the fix proposed here, where those two IE 6 browse DLL files are swapped out with the older ones from IE 5.5, and was wondering if anyone is using that now. From what I remember reading about this, you will lose the ability to "repair" IE in Add/Remove, unless you put the original DLLs back, but other than that, what's the verdict here? So - is anyone in here using IE 6 SP1 (and Win98E) with the two browse DLL files swapped out to the older IE 5.5 versions, and if so, how is it working out for you? Any problems? |
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