using FIND command

Does anyone know if the W98 'find' command (Winkey-F) has an executable which can be issued from the 'run' box?

none wrote:

Does anyone know if the W98 'find' command (Winkey-F) has an
executable which can be issued from the 'run' box?

I've wondered about that for years, because if there was such an
executable, I'd take it and use it on Win-XP systems to replace the
absolutely horrible file-find that Micro**** implimented in XP.

But I think it's part of explorer.exe

When I run cctask to see a list of processes running before and after I
launch Start-Find-Files-or-folders, there is no additional process
running after find is launched.

"98 Guy" wrote in message ...
none wrote:

Does anyone know if the W98 'find' command (Winkey-F) has an
executable which can be issued from the 'run' box?

I've wondered about that for years, because if there was such an
executable, I'd take it and use it on Win-XP systems to replace the
absolutely horrible file-find that Micro**** implimented in XP.

But I think it's part of explorer.exe

When I run cctask to see a list of processes running before and after I
launch Start-Find-Files-or-folders, there is no additional process
running after find is launched.

Hmmm, interesting. Considering that it might well be part of explorer. I've
wondered if it was a DLL and could be initiated with a RUNDLL32.EXE
statement. Perhaps someone else will chime in.

On Oct 21, 9:29 am, "none" wrote:
"98 Guy" wrote in ...
none wrote:

Does anyone know if the W98 'find' command (Winkey-F) has an
executable which can be issued from the 'run' box?


You can always use the dir /s command to search subdirectories for
files. Not quite what you want, but it might do in a pinch.

I too would prefer it over XP or even Vista. Vista is good for simple
file name searches, but horrible for anything more refined. Worse than
XP.

"98 Guy" wrote in message ...

I've wondered about that for years, because if there was such an
executable, I'd take it and use it on Win-XP systems to replace the
absolutely horrible file-find that Micro**** implimented in XP.
snip

Use Classic Search in Explorer
http://www.pctools.com/guides/registry/detail/1067/

Use Classic Search in Internet Explorer
http://www.pctools.com/guides/registry/detail/1068/

Restore Classic Search in Windows XP
http://www.petri.co.il/restore_class...windows_xp.htm

--
Glen Ventura
MS MVP Oct. 2002 - Sept. 2009
CompTIA A+
http://dts-l.net/

glee wrote:

I've wondered about that for years, because if there was such
an executable, I'd take it and use it on Win-XP systems to
replace the absolutely horrible file-find that Micro****
implimented in XP.

Use Classic Search in Explorer
Use Classic Search in Internet Explorer
Restore Classic Search in Windows XP

All of the above instructions restore XP to it's original "classic"
file-find (which removes or de-actives something called "Windows Search"
- a search mechanism / interface that I've seen on some XP systems but
was never sure where it came from or when or how). In fact, you might
have to impliment additional registry mods not mentioned in those links
to get back the classic XP file-find.

But even the classic XP search interface is something I don't like
compared to Windows 98 minimal yet ergonomic search interface. I find
myself always having to put a check in the "advanced" box in order to
find what I'm looking for in the classic XP interface. I find the
layout and ergonomics of the 9x search interface much better than the
classic XP interface.

The drop-down "Look in" scroll and Browse list, include sub-folders
check box is right there where I can quickly select it, Date and
type/size is just a tab-click away.

I realize that Microsoft and Apple have philosophies that tend to
dumb-down, blur, obfuscate and even hide the file system from the user,
and that this is a trend that has been happening for the past 5 or so
years, but for those that are very comfortable with the idea of a file
system, then the win-9x file-find interface represents the peak of this
experience, and everything else had been downhill.

"98 Guy" wrote in message ...
glee wrote:

I've wondered about that for years, because if there was such
an executable, I'd take it and use it on Win-XP systems to
replace the absolutely horrible file-find that Micro****
implimented in XP.

Use Classic Search in Explorer
Use Classic Search in Internet Explorer
Restore Classic Search in Windows XP

All of the above instructions restore XP to it's original "classic"
file-find (which removes or de-actives something called "Windows
Search"
- a search mechanism / interface that I've seen on some XP systems but
was never sure where it came from or when or how). In fact, you might
have to impliment additional registry mods not mentioned in those
links
to get back the classic XP file-find.

But even the classic XP search interface is something I don't like
compared to Windows 98 minimal yet ergonomic search interface. I find
myself always having to put a check in the "advanced" box in order to
find what I'm looking for in the classic XP interface. I find the
layout and ergonomics of the 9x search interface much better than the
classic XP interface.

The drop-down "Look in" scroll and Browse list, include sub-folders
check box is right there where I can quickly select it, Date and
type/size is just a tab-click away.

I realize that Microsoft and Apple have philosophies that tend to
dumb-down, blur, obfuscate and even hide the file system from the
user,
and that this is a trend that has been happening for the past 5 or so
years, but for those that are very comfortable with the idea of a file
system, then the win-9x file-find interface represents the peak of
this
experience, and everything else had been downhill.

No....Windows Search, formerly Windows Desktop Search on XP, was an
add-on...it has nothing to do with the native Windows search mechanism
that came with XP. To get rid of it you uninstall it, which brings back
the rather stupid XP search (lame, broken and with the animated dog).
These registry changes (also available through TweakUI XP) switch from
that native lame XP search to the Win2K-style search, which acts much
like the Win9x search once you remember to put a check in the Advanced
box.

I too prefer the Win98 search for many of the same reasons you do, but
the 2K-style option in XP is still better than the native search style.
Agent Ransack is a decent search replacement for all versions of
Windows.

What I really dislike is the thing they call Windows Explorer on Vista
and Win7. Explorer was fairly functional in 9x and XP, but the new
versions removed a lot of what made it usable.
--
Glen Ventura
MS MVP Oct. 2002 - Sept. 2009
CompTIA A+
http://dts-l.net/

glee wrote:
"98 Guy" wrote in message ...
glee wrote:

I've wondered about that for years, because if there was such
an executable, I'd take it and use it on Win-XP systems to
replace the absolutely horrible file-find that Micro****
implimented in XP.

Use Classic Search in Explorer
Use Classic Search in Internet Explorer
Restore Classic Search in Windows XP

All of the above instructions restore XP to it's original "classic"
file-find (which removes or de-actives something called "Windows
Search"
- a search mechanism / interface that I've seen on some XP systems but
was never sure where it came from or when or how). In fact, you might
have to impliment additional registry mods not mentioned in those
links
to get back the classic XP file-find.

But even the classic XP search interface is something I don't like
compared to Windows 98 minimal yet ergonomic search interface. I find
myself always having to put a check in the "advanced" box in order to
find what I'm looking for in the classic XP interface. I find the
layout and ergonomics of the 9x search interface much better than the
classic XP interface.

The drop-down "Look in" scroll and Browse list, include sub-folders
check box is right there where I can quickly select it, Date and
type/size is just a tab-click away.

I realize that Microsoft and Apple have philosophies that tend to
dumb-down, blur, obfuscate and even hide the file system from the
user,
and that this is a trend that has been happening for the past 5 or so
years, but for those that are very comfortable with the idea of a file
system, then the win-9x file-find interface represents the peak of
this
experience, and everything else had been downhill.

No....Windows Search, formerly Windows Desktop Search on XP, was an
add-on...it has nothing to do with the native Windows search mechanism
that came with XP. To get rid of it you uninstall it, which brings back
the rather stupid XP search (lame, broken and with the animated dog).
These registry changes (also available through TweakUI XP) switch from
that native lame XP search to the Win2K-style search, which acts much
like the Win9x search once you remember to put a check in the Advanced
box.

I too prefer the Win98 search for many of the same reasons you do, but
the 2K-style option in XP is still better than the native search style.
Agent Ransack is a decent search replacement for all versions of
Windows.

Seconded. Or better yet, FileLocator Pro, it's big brother, which is much
more customizable (you can select directories to always skip, for example).

What I really dislike is the thing they call Windows Explorer on Vista
and Win7. Explorer was fairly functional in 9x and XP, but the new
versions removed a lot of what made it usable.

That's not encouraging to hear. Wonder what (else) they've removed. In
XP they already removed the file extension column (per se), replacing it
with "Type".

On Fri, 22 Oct 2010 00:40:47 +0100, glee wrote:

"98 Guy" wrote in message ...
glee wrote:

I've wondered about that for years, because if there was such
an executable, I'd take it and use it on Win-XP systems to
replace the absolutely horrible file-find that Micro****
implimented in XP.

Use Classic Search in Explorer
Use Classic Search in Internet Explorer
Restore Classic Search in Windows XP

[snipped]

No....Windows Search, formerly Windows Desktop Search on XP, was an
add-on...it has nothing to do with the native Windows search mechanism
that came with XP. To get rid of it you uninstall it, which brings back
the rather stupid XP search (lame, broken and with the animated dog).
These registry changes (also available through TweakUI XP) switch from
that native lame XP search to the Win2K-style search, which acts much
like the Win9x search once you remember to put a check in the Advanced
box.

I too prefer the Win98 search for many of the same reasons you do, but
the 2K-style option in XP is still better than the native search style.
Agent Ransack is a decent search replacement for all versions of Windows.

What I really dislike is the thing they call Windows Explorer on Vista
and Win7. Explorer was fairly functional in 9x and XP, but the new
versions removed a lot of what made it usable.

What about winfile? :-)

for w3.1/w9x, or the rerwrite for NT
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File_Manager_(Windows)

--
"Nuns! NUNS! Reverse! Reverse!"

"Esra Sdrawkcab" wrote in message
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On Fri, 22 Oct 2010 00:40:47 +0100, glee
wrote:
snip
What I really dislike is the thing they call Windows Explorer on
Vista and Win7. Explorer was fairly functional in 9x and XP, but
the new versions removed a lot of what made it usable.

What about winfile? :-)

for w3.1/w9x, or the rerwrite for NT
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File_Manager_(Windows)

From what I've read by the folks who did the rewrite, there are still
issues even with the tweaks they did...
http://www.brydon.net/winfile/ :

quote
Starting with Windows XP, drag and drop from WinFile to some
applications does not work where it does from Explorer.
Starting with Windows Vista, there seem to be some file types that do
not open correctly with a double click.
Although WinFile persistently remembers navigation details from instance
to instance (see above), Explorer has several shortcuts that you can use
as starting points (eg. "Documents" folder, "My Pictures", "Music"
etc.). WinFile would not need these as much as Explorer, but they
would be nice to have.
WinFile was designed as a single-instance app. While you can open
multiple views of a drive in WinFile, you can only have one instance of
the whole program (with some exceptions involving race conditions and
trickery).. You can have any number of multiple instances of Explorer
open simultaneously.
When you delete a file in WinFile, it is deleted. There is no visit to
the recycle bin. Delete a file - it is gone. Advantage or disadvantage?
You decide.
If you are not an Administrator, settings are not recorded properly
under Vista. This seems to be because the settings are stored in
systemdirectory\winfile.ini, which is a file protection problem. I am
working on a solution for it. This worked fine (for me) with Windows
2000 and Windows XP.
/quote

Winfile was inferior to Explorer even in Win95, except for a few
functions.
There are better Explorer alternatives available...
http://zabkat.com/x2lite.htm
or
http://www.softwareok.com/?seite=Freeware/Q-dir

--
Glen Ventura
MS MVP Oct. 2002 - Sept. 2009
CompTIA A+
http://dts-l.net/