free Windows 98 Registry Cleaners

I have only read a third of the replies to this post, but a thought
occured to me and I thought I would post this at the end of
the last one. (according to my server)

So, here goes.........
"Why doesnt Microsoft offer end users a Registry Cleaner??".???
Surely its programmers could write something in their sleep far
superior to any third party offerings?
Perhaps even Gary or Glee or many others could do it......
or any other representitive of Microsoft who has the claim to have
the 'mvp' in front of their names.

This is not a 'dig' at anyone or anything, it is merely a 'noticing' of
similar
posts that come into this group.

I guess what I am saying is, "why would microsoft not want to assist its
end users with a completely practical solution to an ongoing problem"?
Perhaps you can answer Bill?
*I'm sure some here have direct access to his email addy.

Anyhow, i've been told by others that sometimes my solutions are "too
simple", and hence dont get recognition....... or perhaps its a $thing,
not sure myself as I can only see brother helping brother.

...Rex..

The simple fact is that for any registry cleaner to be 'totally safe' it
would have to know the origin of every entry in the registry - including
those that could not have been dreamt of when the editor was written.

A good case in point being the use in Office 2000 and higher of
install-on-demand, where registry entries are created at install time, but
these entries are redundant until the relevant piece of code is added at
some later date.
Norton and a number of other registry cleaners flag these entries for
deletion - but if you do that, and then come to install the
application/add-on later, it won't work, because the entries are no longer
there.

A registry editor that is 'totally safe' on the day it's written is NOT safe
a week (or even a day) later, because a new application will be written
with a new registry entry which the editor will want to play with (the same
problem as for anti-viruses).

--
Noel Paton (MS-MVP 2002-2006, Windows)

Nil Carborundum Illegitemi
http://www.crashfixpc.com/millsrpch.htm

http://tinyurl.com/6oztj

Please read http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm on how to post messages to NG's

"Rex" wrote in message
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I have only read a third of the replies to this post, but a thought
occured to me and I thought I would post this at the end of
the last one. (according to my server)

So, here goes.........
"Why doesnt Microsoft offer end users a Registry Cleaner??".???
Surely its programmers could write something in their sleep far
superior to any third party offerings?
Perhaps even Gary or Glee or many others could do it......
or any other representitive of Microsoft who has the claim to have
the 'mvp' in front of their names.

This is not a 'dig' at anyone or anything, it is merely a 'noticing' of
similar
posts that come into this group.

I guess what I am saying is, "why would microsoft not want to assist its
end users with a completely practical solution to an ongoing problem"?
Perhaps you can answer Bill?
*I'm sure some here have direct access to his email addy.

Anyhow, i've been told by others that sometimes my solutions are "too
simple", and hence dont get recognition....... or perhaps its a $thing,
not sure myself as I can only see brother helping brother.

..Rex..

Ted

A fairly good article was recently published that compared 10 registry
cleaners. If interested, see
http://www.informationweek.com/story...leID=171203805




"Ted" wrote in message
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Buy.com has it for $20 with $20 mail in rebate.
Can't find a trial.


"Don Phillipson" wrote in message
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"Bill in Co." wrote in message
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The best registry cleaner is either (choose a or b of the below):
a) none, or
b) you doing it manually and knowing *exactly* what you are
doing!
(And
if you don't, you shouldn't be there!).

A third option is not free but costs about $50 from www.vcom.com
viz. Fix It Utilities, which has a Registry Cleaner with two
modes,
fully automatic (but reasonably conservative) and detailed (which
requires you to flag keys as OK to delete.) The set of Fix It
Utilities is the closest I found to PC Tools approx. 1987 (or
whenever I gave up CP/M). I have used FIU regularly since 1999
and never regretted it.

--
Don Phillipson
Carlsbad Springs
(Ottawa, Canada)

thanks Dapper, will check them out.


"Dapper Dan" wrote in message
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Ted

A fairly good article was recently published that compared 10 registry
cleaners. If interested, see
http://www.informationweek.com/story...leID=171203805




"Ted" wrote in message
...
Buy.com has it for $20 with $20 mail in rebate.
Can't find a trial.


"Don Phillipson" wrote in message
...
"Bill in Co." wrote in message
...

The best registry cleaner is either (choose a or b of the below):
a) none, or
b) you doing it manually and knowing *exactly* what you are
doing!
(And
if you don't, you shouldn't be there!).

A third option is not free but costs about $50 from www.vcom.com
viz. Fix It Utilities, which has a Registry Cleaner with two
modes,
fully automatic (but reasonably conservative) and detailed (which
requires you to flag keys as OK to delete.) The set of Fix It
Utilities is the closest I found to PC Tools approx. 1987 (or
whenever I gave up CP/M). I have used FIU regularly since 1999
and never regretted it.

--
Don Phillipson
Carlsbad Springs
(Ottawa, Canada)

Thanks Glen,

I keep my computer and registry pretty much clean,
these are basics and I am aware of them.
I also keep all those aggressive software out of my computer.
My Win 98 machine doesn't even have Internet access, I use
another XP machine to browse the Internet, get mail, and
check out shareware.
But the fact that the Registry size keeps growing, is the
main reason slowing the computer.






"glee" wrote in message
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Not just for armatures....you apparently don't have the capacitor to
understand.
;-)
The "tips" refer to common causes of system slowdown, that have nothing to
do with
Registry size.

You can optimise the Registry without third party tools, using scanreg
/opt /fix
from a DOS boot, which will repair errors and eliminate the slack space.

Restart in DOS mode, type the following and press Enter after each line:

smartdrv
scanreg /opt /fix

When done, repeat the scanreg line two more times, then restart Windows.
--
Glen Ventura, MS MVP Shell/User, A+
http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm


"Ted" wrote in message
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These tips are for armatures.


"glee" wrote in message
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http://www.aumha.org/a/health.htm

http://www.aumha.org/a/loads.htm

http://www.aumha.org/a/parasite.htm

for starters.
--
Glen Ventura, MS MVP Shell/User, A+
http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm


"Ted" wrote in message
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Then why a computer is very fast when you first install Windows,
then it gets slower and slower and slower ?


"glee" wrote in message
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"Ted" wrote:
The bigger the registry size the slower the computer.

Not true.
--
Glen Ventura, MS MVP Shell/User, A+
http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm


"Ted" wrote in message
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There are some reg cleaner that do take out some
un-needed junk, but that is about it.
I wish they do more cleaning, as Microsoft and other companies
uses the registry to store lots of junk.
The bigger the registry size the slower the computer.
I use Registry First Aid, it is not free, it does maybe
about 5% cleaning, not enough but better than nothing.
Been using it for couple years, and seems to be quite safe.



"Richard G. Harper" wrote in message
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There is no such thing. Every Registry "cleaner" takes out items
that
it
should not and causes anything from minor to major problems.

--
Richard G. Harper [MVP Shell/User]
* PLEASE post all messages and replies in the newsgroups
* for the benefit of all. Private mail is usually not replied
to.
* My website, such as it is ... http://rgharper.mvps.org/
* HELP us help YOU ... http://www.dts-l.org/goodpost.htm


"Egan" wrote in message
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Hi

Does anyone know of any free registry cleaners that will do a
great
job
of
cleaning unwanted registry entries from the registry in Windows
98
first
edition and Windows 98 Second edition?

Please reply soon.

Ah, ha, ha. Yea.


--
Thanks or Good Luck,
There may be humor in this post, and,
Naturally, you will not sue,
should things get worse after this,
PCR

"Bill in Co." wrote in message
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| LOL. You guys are really "generating" some humor in here!
|
| jt3 wrote:
| That was baad. But no need for sparks to fly over it.
|
| Joe
| "Hugh Candlin" wrote in message
| ...
| "Ted" wrote in message
| ...
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| These tips are for armatures.
|
| Currently they are. No need to get wound up about it.
|
|

Ted,

Do the optimization that Glen recommended and then check the sizes of the
registry files. Then run a registry cleaner of your choice two or three
times and be sure to create undo files. Once this has been completed, run
the optimization again and then compare the sizes of the before and after
files. I think you will find that the files do not change in size very
much. The registry contains thousands and thousands of entries and having a
few hundred of extraneous entries does not hurt much in my opinion.

Be sure to read Noel Paton's response because he is right on target. MS
finally gave up on a registry cleaner (RegClean) for that same reason and
removed it from its web site a number of years ago.

--
Regards


Ron Badour, MS MVP for W98
Tips: http://home.satx.rr.com/badour
Knowledge Base Info:
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?pr=kbinfo



"Ted" wrote in message
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Thanks Glen,

I keep my computer and registry pretty much clean,
these are basics and I am aware of them.
I also keep all those aggressive software out of my computer.
My Win 98 machine doesn't even have Internet access, I use
another XP machine to browse the Internet, get mail, and
check out shareware.
But the fact that the Registry size keeps growing, is the
main reason slowing the computer.

"Rex" wrote in message
...
I have only read a third of the replies to this post, but a thought
occured to me and I thought I would post this at the end of
the last one. (according to my server)

So, here goes.........
"Why doesnt Microsoft offer end users a Registry Cleaner??".???

Open REGEDIT and browse the Registry.
Now try to think like a programmer.

To write a Registry Cleaner, before you even begin to think
about distilling, cleansing, purefying, whatever,
first you have to deal with recognition.

You have to be able to identify and classify each and every Key,
and each and every Value within each and every Key.

To do that, you have to have a table or a database
containing each and every Key and Value.
and it has to be up-to-date at all times.

This present an impossible development challenge,
which, even if resolved, would then present
an equally insurmountable maintenance headache.

Surely its programmers could write something in their sleep far
superior to any third party offerings?

That's true, but it is NOT a solution.

I could develop a better treatment for cancer,
given the proper resources (people, money, time),
but it still would (probably) NOT be a cure.

Perhaps even Gary or Glee or many others could do it......
or any other representitive of Microsoft who has the claim to have
the 'mvp' in front of their names.

This is not a 'dig' at anyone or anything, it is merely a 'noticing' of
similar
posts that come into this group.

I guess what I am saying is, "why would microsoft not want to assist its
end users with a completely practical solution to an ongoing problem"?

They probably do. They just cannot do it in a reliable, economical manner.

"glee" wrote in message
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Not just for armatures....you apparently don't have the capacitor to
understand.
;-)

Like you, when I see the opportunity for an outrageous pun,
I just cannot resistor.

A few more of these loading the NG might represent a real coil, an impedance
to normal NG function?

"Hugh Candlin" wrote in message
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"glee" wrote in message
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Not just for armatures....you apparently don't have the capacitor to
understand.
;-)

Like you, when I see the opportunity for an outrageous pun,
I just cannot resistor.