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  #1  
Old February 2nd 08, 12:38 AM posted to microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion
Olin K. McDaniel
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Default "Error loading KERNEL" message

Hopefully this won't get too longwinded, but as a bit of background, I
recently upgraded my hardware and wanted to keep all the software as
before. I installed a new M.B. and CPU to go from a 600MHz Pentium 3
unit to a 2.6 GHz Celeron unit. Also I cloned over the multiboot
OS's from drive 1 to another HD, since the older one was showing signs
of failing. The program used for cloning was Acronis True Image.
There were 3 OS's on Drive 1, and they also are now on the newly
installed HDD. The heart of the multiboot system is Powerquest's Boot
Magic, that has worked wonderfully for years. The 3 OS's are DOS 6.22
(rarely used anymore), Windows 98SE (most heavily used) and Windows
2000 Pro (used somewhat).

The problem developed subsequent to several days of allowing the new
M.B. and CPU to install all its drivers, etc.

Essentially, I cannot boot up (on the NEW Hard Disk 1) into Win98SE in
Normal mode - I get an error message that says "Error loading KERNEL.
You must reinstall Windows". BUT - much to my annoyance, it WILL
boot up fully in SAFE mode. Nothing that I've tried has cleared up
this anomaly. I've followed the procedure found on MS's web site
which tells me to "extract Kernel32.dll" from my installation CD and
copy it to the folder Windows\System\, all to no avail, after multiple
efforts. In addition, I've copied it over from the presumed "failing"
hard drive, again with no success. I'm about ready to throw in the
towel - hopefully, someone can give me an out. Before someone asks,
there is NO problem booting up in Win2000 on this drive.

Finally, as a further frustating fact, I can still do the multiboot if
I swap out the new HD 1 to the old failing one. But I don't trust it
lasting much longer.

I'm admittedly out of ideas - and if it should be a problem with the
MBR, then I don't know how to repair it.

Sorry it got this long - and it may not have all the useful info
someone might think would lead to a clue. If so, please tell me what
to check.

Thanks, Olin McDaniel

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  #2  
Old February 2nd 08, 09:04 PM posted to microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion
MEB[_2_]
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Default "Error loading KERNEL" message

Hmm, no responses.. so to help the group to help you;

How about some information related to:

What motherboard - make/model.

What make and model hard drive, and is it SATA.or PATA, etc.. What is the
old drive, make and model, SATA/PATA

What had you [both recent and just] installed when the error first occurred
[driver,application, etc.]

The exact error message.

Safe mode runs just base system drivers so likely the issue relates to
something that was installed, hence the reason for the above. Kernel errors
can be caused by numerous things from: other corrupted files, corrupted
registry, to even a corrupted swap file, so we have to back-track through
what occurred prior to the issue.
Also, what system did you FIRST attempt to use after the change over [98 or
2000]...

--

MEB
http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
_________


"Olin K. McDaniel" wrote in message
...
| Hopefully this won't get too longwinded, but as a bit of background, I
| recently upgraded my hardware and wanted to keep all the software as
| before. I installed a new M.B. and CPU to go from a 600MHz Pentium 3
| unit to a 2.6 GHz Celeron unit. Also I cloned over the multiboot
| OS's from drive 1 to another HD, since the older one was showing signs
| of failing. The program used for cloning was Acronis True Image.
| There were 3 OS's on Drive 1, and they also are now on the newly
| installed HDD. The heart of the multiboot system is Powerquest's Boot
| Magic, that has worked wonderfully for years. The 3 OS's are DOS 6.22
| (rarely used anymore), Windows 98SE (most heavily used) and Windows
| 2000 Pro (used somewhat).
|
| The problem developed subsequent to several days of allowing the new
| M.B. and CPU to install all its drivers, etc.
|
| Essentially, I cannot boot up (on the NEW Hard Disk 1) into Win98SE in
| Normal mode - I get an error message that says "Error loading KERNEL.
| You must reinstall Windows". BUT - much to my annoyance, it WILL
| boot up fully in SAFE mode. Nothing that I've tried has cleared up
| this anomaly. I've followed the procedure found on MS's web site
| which tells me to "extract Kernel32.dll" from my installation CD and
| copy it to the folder Windows\System\, all to no avail, after multiple
| efforts. In addition, I've copied it over from the presumed "failing"
| hard drive, again with no success. I'm about ready to throw in the
| towel - hopefully, someone can give me an out. Before someone asks,
| there is NO problem booting up in Win2000 on this drive.
|
| Finally, as a further frustating fact, I can still do the multiboot if
| I swap out the new HD 1 to the old failing one. But I don't trust it
| lasting much longer.
|
| I'm admittedly out of ideas - and if it should be a problem with the
| MBR, then I don't know how to repair it.
|
| Sorry it got this long - and it may not have all the useful info
| someone might think would lead to a clue. If so, please tell me what
| to check.
|
| Thanks, Olin McDaniel
|
| To reply by email, please remove "abcd" from Return address
| -----------------------------------------------------
| "Ignorance is treatable, Stupidity is incurable. Sometimes
| the difference is hardly distinguishable, however."



  #3  
Old February 2nd 08, 11:43 PM posted to microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion
glee
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When you are going to change major hardware such as the motherboard and processor,
you first need to remove the drivers for everything that is part of that
hardware.....chipset drivers, onboard audio and video, onboard LAN, floppy
controller, hard drive controllers, and so forth. If you did not do that before
changing the hardware, you should do it now from Safe Mode in Win98, as that is the
OS giving you trouble.

Click StartRun, type: scanregw
|click OK|
When prompted, say Yes to backing up the Registry.

Next, if your old or new motherboard uses onmboard video rather than a dedicated
video card, uninstall any display software and drivers, allowing Windows to change
your display adapter to Standard VGA 640x480, and reboot if prompted. Then
uninstall any audio software and drivers that are not part of the new system.

Now restart in Safe Mode, open Device Manager, expand all categories and start
removing devices.
You pretty much need to remove everything except the keyboard/mouse/monitor,
including all the items in the System section of Device Manager as well as in the
Other section, the USB Controllers section, all other drives and controllers,
display adapters, audio controllers, network adapter.

Click OK to close, then start in normal mode. Windows will begin detecting
hardware....when it finds the primary IDE controller and wants to reboot, say no and
let it find the secondary IDE controller too, then reboot at that prompt.
The next restart should find the rest of the current hardware, while the remnants of
the old hardware will no longer be present.

Be sure to then install the chipset drivers from the disc that came with your new
motherboard, reboot, then install the drivers for your display, audio and so forth.

An alternative to deleting individual items in Safe Mode Device Manager, is to open
the Registry Editor and delete the entire Enum key at this location:
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Enum
Then, shutdown, move the hard drive to the new system, and follow the suggestions
above.
The Safe Mode method is usually safer.
--
Glen Ventura, MS MVP Shell/User, A+
http://dts-l.net/
http://dts-l.net/goodpost.htm


"Olin K. McDaniel" wrote in message
...
Hopefully this won't get too longwinded, but as a bit of background, I
recently upgraded my hardware and wanted to keep all the software as
before. I installed a new M.B. and CPU to go from a 600MHz Pentium 3
unit to a 2.6 GHz Celeron unit. Also I cloned over the multiboot
OS's from drive 1 to another HD, since the older one was showing signs
of failing. The program used for cloning was Acronis True Image.
There were 3 OS's on Drive 1, and they also are now on the newly
installed HDD. The heart of the multiboot system is Powerquest's Boot
Magic, that has worked wonderfully for years. The 3 OS's are DOS 6.22
(rarely used anymore), Windows 98SE (most heavily used) and Windows
2000 Pro (used somewhat).

The problem developed subsequent to several days of allowing the new
M.B. and CPU to install all its drivers, etc.

Essentially, I cannot boot up (on the NEW Hard Disk 1) into Win98SE in
Normal mode - I get an error message that says "Error loading KERNEL.
You must reinstall Windows". BUT - much to my annoyance, it WILL
boot up fully in SAFE mode. Nothing that I've tried has cleared up
this anomaly. I've followed the procedure found on MS's web site
which tells me to "extract Kernel32.dll" from my installation CD and
copy it to the folder Windows\System\, all to no avail, after multiple
efforts. In addition, I've copied it over from the presumed "failing"
hard drive, again with no success. I'm about ready to throw in the
towel - hopefully, someone can give me an out. Before someone asks,
there is NO problem booting up in Win2000 on this drive.

Finally, as a further frustating fact, I can still do the multiboot if
I swap out the new HD 1 to the old failing one. But I don't trust it
lasting much longer.

I'm admittedly out of ideas - and if it should be a problem with the
MBR, then I don't know how to repair it.

Sorry it got this long - and it may not have all the useful info
someone might think would lead to a clue. If so, please tell me what
to check.

Thanks, Olin McDaniel

To reply by email, please remove "abcd" from Return address
-----------------------------------------------------
"Ignorance is treatable, Stupidity is incurable. Sometimes
the difference is hardly distinguishable, however."


  #4  
Old February 3rd 08, 12:00 AM posted to microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion
Olin K. McDaniel
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OK, I'll provide what I can, but it will be impossible to remember all
the things you asked, since this has been an ongoing problem for over
3 weeks.

First - the exact message was stated in my original post, i.e. "Error
loading KERNEL. You must reinstall Windows". That's it, no more, no
less.

The newly installed motherboard is a Biostar P4M80-M4. I can provide
lots more details if needed here.

The NEW hard drive is a Seagate 160 GB "Barracuda" ATA HD, 7200 RPM,
which I used approx. 6 months in another computer, and removed it to
install a 500 GB SATA in that unit. This 160 GB was then reformatted
and used as the destination disk for cloning from the failing 160 GB
ATA, 7200 Maxtor drive which is at least 3 years old now.

Now, your next 2 questions are not easy ones to answer with any
certainty, since getting this entire system to work in all aspects has
forced me to try many, many things - some of which might have added to
my woes, admittedly. But as said in my original post, the new
motherboard demanded that it go through a complete setup where it
looked for drivers that I never expected. And it required my
inserting the CD provided with it, to get its own drivers. I failed
to keep record of what all this was. HOWEVER, when things got really
screwed up, I actually pulled out the new drive and stuck the old
failing one back in to check it out. The motherboard forced me to go
thru the same setup of looking for drivers that suited it, etc. And
it had a few problems also, but I got lucky and overcame them - all
but one! That one concerns Boot Magic, which does not come up
automatically, BUT if I use the Boot Magic 8.0 Rescue Disk, I can
choose which system to boot under. And then all 3 OS's run just as
they did earlier. SO, the "old failing" drive boots ok in Win 98 as
well as Win 2K and DOS. That's when I tried cloning over from that
old one (ONLY the W98 partition, though) to the new one. I did this
many different ways, and many different selected files from the backup
of the old drive's partition. So far, none of this has solved the
problem with the ERROR message on the New drive, as far as W98 is
concerned. Again, BOTH drives boot up and run fine in Win2K.

Remember, the above answer is partially related to the New drive, and
partially related to the Old drive. Both currently have a problem,
but the problem with the Old one is easy to live with - stick in the
BM Rescue disk. But that problem with the New one is intolerable, I
cannot use W98 on the New drive.

Now, let me ask a question out of total frustration. Is it possible
the Master Boot Record (MBR) got screwed up on the New one? And if
so, how to check and/or repair?

Finally, if I have a complete backup of both Win98 partitions off both
these drives - as they exist now, would it be useful to reformat the
New drive and do a New installation from the original factory CD, then
Restore from one of these backups? Or would I be right back where I
am now?

After all this time, I'm willing to try the above, just groping for
straws if it has a chance of working.

Olin McDaniel


On Sat, 2 Feb 2008 15:04:56 -0500, "MEB" meb@not
wrote:

Hmm, no responses.. so to help the group to help you;

How about some information related to:

What motherboard - make/model.

What make and model hard drive, and is it SATA.or PATA, etc.. What is the
old drive, make and model, SATA/PATA

What had you [both recent and just] installed when the error first occurred
[driver,application, etc.]

The exact error message.

Safe mode runs just base system drivers so likely the issue relates to
something that was installed, hence the reason for the above. Kernel errors
can be caused by numerous things from: other corrupted files, corrupted
registry, to even a corrupted swap file, so we have to back-track through
what occurred prior to the issue.
Also, what system did you FIRST attempt to use after the change over [98 or
2000]...

--

MEB
http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
_________


"Olin K. McDaniel" wrote in message
. ..
| Hopefully this won't get too longwinded, but as a bit of background, I
| recently upgraded my hardware and wanted to keep all the software as
| before. I installed a new M.B. and CPU to go from a 600MHz Pentium 3
| unit to a 2.6 GHz Celeron unit. Also I cloned over the multiboot
| OS's from drive 1 to another HD, since the older one was showing signs
| of failing. The program used for cloning was Acronis True Image.
| There were 3 OS's on Drive 1, and they also are now on the newly
| installed HDD. The heart of the multiboot system is Powerquest's Boot
| Magic, that has worked wonderfully for years. The 3 OS's are DOS 6.22
| (rarely used anymore), Windows 98SE (most heavily used) and Windows
| 2000 Pro (used somewhat).
|
| The problem developed subsequent to several days of allowing the new
| M.B. and CPU to install all its drivers, etc.
|
| Essentially, I cannot boot up (on the NEW Hard Disk 1) into Win98SE in
| Normal mode - I get an error message that says "Error loading KERNEL.
| You must reinstall Windows". BUT - much to my annoyance, it WILL
| boot up fully in SAFE mode. Nothing that I've tried has cleared up
| this anomaly. I've followed the procedure found on MS's web site
| which tells me to "extract Kernel32.dll" from my installation CD and
| copy it to the folder Windows\System\, all to no avail, after multiple
| efforts. In addition, I've copied it over from the presumed "failing"
| hard drive, again with no success. I'm about ready to throw in the
| towel - hopefully, someone can give me an out. Before someone asks,
| there is NO problem booting up in Win2000 on this drive.
|
| Finally, as a further frustating fact, I can still do the multiboot if
| I swap out the new HD 1 to the old failing one. But I don't trust it
| lasting much longer.
|
| I'm admittedly out of ideas - and if it should be a problem with the
| MBR, then I don't know how to repair it.
|
| Sorry it got this long - and it may not have all the useful info
| someone might think would lead to a clue. If so, please tell me what
| to check.
|
| Thanks, Olin McDaniel
|
| To reply by email, please remove "abcd" from Return address
| -----------------------------------------------------
| "Ignorance is treatable, Stupidity is incurable. Sometimes
| the difference is hardly distinguishable, however."




To reply by email, please remove "abcd" from Return address
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Old February 3rd 08, 12:43 AM posted to microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion
PCR
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Olin K. McDaniel wrote:
| Hopefully this won't get too longwinded, but as a bit of background, I
| recently upgraded my hardware and wanted to keep all the software as
| before. I installed a new M.B. and CPU to go from a 600MHz Pentium 3
| unit to a 2.6 GHz Celeron unit.

Are you saying that only one machine is involved, & you replaced its MB
& CPU? So-- you now have a single machine that is 2.6 GHz? There is this
article to consider...

http://support.microsoft.com/default...08&Product=w98
Windows protection error in NDIS with a CPU that is faster than 2.1 GHz

HOWEVER... I think thankfully it does not apply to you, because you are
Win98SE (Second Edition). Also, you do not report that same error.
Finally, I believe you may have said the old HDD still will work on the
faster machine.

| Also I cloned over the multiboot
| OS's from drive 1 to another HD, since the older one was showing signs
| of failing.

The machine had only one HDD? Then, it is called HDD0-- they start
counting them at zero.

| The program used for cloning was Acronis True Image.
| There were 3 OS's on Drive 1, and they also are now on the newly
| installed HDD.

You cloned HDD0 to a new HDD. Yea, as MEB requested-- describe the two
HDD. What are their size & type?

| The heart of the multiboot system is Powerquest's Boot
| Magic, that has worked wonderfully for years. The 3 OS's are DOS 6.22
| (rarely used anymore), Windows 98SE (most heavily used) and Windows
| 2000 Pro (used somewhat).

I don't know BootMagic. Does it seem to have been copied over to the new
HDD by TrueImage? (I don't know TrueImage, either.) Or do you think you
might need to install it separately? Did you copy the 3 partitions over
to the new HDD in the same order they are on the old drive?

| The problem developed subsequent to several days of allowing the new
| M.B. and CPU to install all its drivers, etc.

Describe what you did to accomplish that? How do things look in Device
Manager in Safe Mode-- any red/yellow ?/!'s on any devices?

| Essentially, I cannot boot up (on the NEW Hard Disk 1) into Win98SE in
| Normal mode - I get an error message that says "Error loading KERNEL.
| You must reinstall Windows". BUT - much to my annoyance, it WILL
| boot up fully in SAFE mode. Nothing that I've tried has cleared up
| this anomaly. I've followed the procedure found on MS's web site
| which tells me to "extract Kernel32.dll" from my installation CD and
| copy it to the folder Windows\System\, all to no avail, after multiple
| efforts.

Yea. I see that article...
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/146419
Error Loading Kernel. You Must Reinstall Windows

You did it right! Too bad it didn't work!

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q...oogle+Se arch
Google finds about 138,000 for Error Loading Kernel

| In addition, I've copied it over from the presumed "failing"
| hard drive, again with no success. I'm about ready to throw in the
| towel - hopefully, someone can give me an out. Before someone asks,
| there is NO problem booting up in Win2000 on this drive.
|
| Finally, as a further frustating fact, I can still do the multiboot if
| I swap out the new HD 1 to the old failing one. But I don't trust it
| lasting much longer.

What are you saying-- just that you get a menu from BootMagic? Or can
you be saying Win98 will actually boot from the old drive? How did the
new drive boot to Win98SE Safe Mode-- through a BootMagic screen? How
did it boot to Win2K?

| I'm admittedly out of ideas - and if it should be a problem with the
| MBR, then I don't know how to repair it.

I don't know TrueImage or BootMagic. What does the process of copying a
partition to a new hard drive normally entail? Are there extra steps to
do in its instructions in order to make the drive bootable? Did you do
them? Looks like you do boot to Win98SE Safe Mode & fully to Win2K. SO--
something must be right. As far as BootMagic, what is it like to install
it? Maybe try that on the new drive, just in case TrueImage didn't get
all of it.

| Sorry it got this long - and it may not have all the useful info
| someone might think would lead to a clue. If so, please tell me what
| to check.

Keep at it. I think you are close, if you get to Safe Mode. But how are
you getting there?

| Thanks, Olin McDaniel

You are welcome.

| To reply by email, please remove "abcd" from Return address
| -----------------------------------------------------
| "Ignorance is treatable, Stupidity is incurable. Sometimes
| the difference is hardly distinguishable, however."

--
Thanks or Good Luck,
There may be humor in this post, and,
Naturally, you will not sue,
Should things get worse after this,
PCR



  #6  
Old February 3rd 08, 09:39 AM posted to microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion
MEB[_2_]
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"Olin K. McDaniel" wrote in message
...
| OK, I'll provide what I can, but it will be impossible to remember all
| the things you asked, since this has been an ongoing problem for over
| 3 weeks.
|
| First - the exact message was stated in my original post, i.e. "Error
| loading KERNEL. You must reinstall Windows". That's it, no more, no
| less.

Okay, I have had that occur more than once...

|
| The newly installed motherboard is a Biostar P4M80-M4. I can provide
| lots more details if needed here.

Not a the moment, this will allow background review of drivers/etc..

OS support - Win98SE/ME/NT4/2K/XP/64 - onsite drivers seem to be
2004/5-7[XP/64]

http://www.biostar-usa.com/mbdetails.asp?model=p4m80-m4 - general
description
ftp://ftp.biostar-usa.com/manuals/P4...80M4manual.pdf - manual

Looks like a nice board for 98. Not thrilled with the S3 on-board video
though.. but that's just me..

To clarify for the group, BootMagic is/was part of PartionMagic.

|
| The NEW hard drive is a Seagate 160 GB "Barracuda" ATA HD, 7200 RPM,
| which I used approx. 6 months in another computer, and removed it to
| install a 500 GB SATA in that unit. This 160 GB was then reformatted
| and used as the destination disk for cloning from the failing 160 GB
| ATA, 7200 Maxtor drive which is at least 3 years old now.

Okay, just to clarify, though you mention a 500gig drive we are NOT talking
about it as part of the issues.

The two drives at issue are 160 gig. One was apparently failing and relaced
by the Seagate. Was that drive 'cut" to the 137 gig barrier or is it full
capacity?

Was the Maxtor "cut" or was it allowed to remain at full capacity?

Also, was the machine the Seagate was pulled from XP or VISTA?

These questions are to determine potentials.

|
| Now, your next 2 questions are not easy ones to answer with any
| certainty, since getting this entire system to work in all aspects has
| forced me to try many, many things - some of which might have added to
| my woes, admittedly. But as said in my original post, the new
| motherboard demanded that it go through a complete setup where it
| looked for drivers that I never expected. And it required my
| inserting the CD provided with it, to get its own drivers. I failed
| to keep record of what all this was. HOWEVER, when things got really
| screwed up, I actually pulled out the new drive and stuck the old
| failing one back in to check it out. The motherboard forced me to go
| thru the same setup of looking for drivers that suited it, etc. And
| it had a few problems also, but I got lucky and overcame them - all
| but one! That one concerns Boot Magic, which does not come up
| automatically, BUT if I use the Boot Magic 8.0 Rescue Disk, I can
| choose which system to boot under. And then all 3 OS's run just as
| they did earlier. SO, the "old failing" drive boots ok in Win 98 as
| well as Win 2K and DOS. That's when I tried cloning over from that
| old one (ONLY the W98 partition, though) to the new one. I did this
| many different ways, and many different selected files from the backup
| of the old drive's partition. So far, none of this has solved the
| problem with the ERROR message on the New drive, as far as W98 is
| concerned. Again, BOTH drives boot up and run fine in Win2K.

Okay, two others have provided suggestions, Glen [and PCR] directs to some
viable issues [cleaning old drivers] to attempt to start with. Perhaps he
will again place the Registry entries suggested at removal when making major
changes in the 9X OS due to hardware changes. This will mean re-installing
the MB drivers and other AGAIN.

PCR caught the issues with the Boot, and I'll add that depending upon how
the drive was cloned [what you chose to image], and formatted, the Boot
partition [BootMagic] may not be properly setup [clusters/sectors may be off
or other]. Manufactures use differring adapter chips and routines, and the
BIOS will translate somewhat differently, BootMagic may be having
difficulties. Reinstalling/reconfiguring the boot manager, if possible
without destroying the data/files, might help; though Scandisk will
sometimes correct those issues if not to drastic [you have all
OSs/partitions as either Fat16 or 32 correct?]. 2K can better handle
cluster/sector issues [self-repair], but that leaves DOS and 98 out in the
cold.

|
| Remember, the above answer is partially related to the New drive, and
| partially related to the Old drive. Both currently have a problem,
| but the problem with the Old one is easy to live with - stick in the
| BM Rescue disk. But that problem with the New one is intolerable, I
| cannot use W98 on the New drive.

I certainly hope you changed/checked the BIOS when you installed the new
drive. If the drives are set to AUTO detect then you can negate that issue,
though hopefully you also checked the other settings.as well.

|
| Now, let me ask a question out of total frustration. Is it possible
| the Master Boot Record (MBR) got screwed up on the New one? And if
| so, how to check and/or repair?

Possible, but let's deal with these other potential fixes first.

|
| Finally, if I have a complete backup of both Win98 partitions off both
| these drives - as they exist now, would it be useful to reformat the
| New drive and do a New installation from the original factory CD, then
| Restore from one of these backups? Or would I be right back where I
| am now?

The clean install would be the best recourse, but once you over-install
[copying the old over the new], you're right back here again. The issues
seem to relate to the drive layout and the registry. Work through the
suggestions and Post back with issues or results.

|
| After all this time, I'm willing to try the above, just groping for
| straws if it has a chance of working.
|
| Olin McDaniel
|

--

MEB
http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
_________

| "Olin K. McDaniel" wrote in message
| . ..
| | Hopefully this won't get too longwinded, but as a bit of background, I
| | recently upgraded my hardware and wanted to keep all the software as
| | before. I installed a new M.B. and CPU to go from a 600MHz Pentium 3
| | unit to a 2.6 GHz Celeron unit. Also I cloned over the multiboot
| | OS's from drive 1 to another HD, since the older one was showing signs
| | of failing. The program used for cloning was Acronis True Image.
| | There were 3 OS's on Drive 1, and they also are now on the newly
| | installed HDD. The heart of the multiboot system is Powerquest's Boot
| | Magic, that has worked wonderfully for years. The 3 OS's are DOS 6.22
| | (rarely used anymore), Windows 98SE (most heavily used) and Windows
| | 2000 Pro (used somewhat).
| |
| | The problem developed subsequent to several days of allowing the new
| | M.B. and CPU to install all its drivers, etc.
| |
| | Essentially, I cannot boot up (on the NEW Hard Disk 1) into Win98SE in
| | Normal mode - I get an error message that says "Error loading KERNEL.
| | You must reinstall Windows". BUT - much to my annoyance, it WILL
| | boot up fully in SAFE mode. Nothing that I've tried has cleared up
| | this anomaly. I've followed the procedure found on MS's web site
| | which tells me to "extract Kernel32.dll" from my installation CD and
| | copy it to the folder Windows\System\, all to no avail, after multiple
| | efforts. In addition, I've copied it over from the presumed "failing"
| | hard drive, again with no success. I'm about ready to throw in the
| | towel - hopefully, someone can give me an out. Before someone asks,
| | there is NO problem booting up in Win2000 on this drive.
| |
| | Finally, as a further frustating fact, I can still do the multiboot if
| | I swap out the new HD 1 to the old failing one. But I don't trust it
| | lasting much longer.
| |
| | I'm admittedly out of ideas - and if it should be a problem with the
| | MBR, then I don't know how to repair it.
| |
| | Sorry it got this long - and it may not have all the useful info
| | someone might think would lead to a clue. If so, please tell me what
| | to check.
| |
| | Thanks, Olin McDaniel
| |
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Old February 3rd 08, 06:55 PM posted to microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion
Olin K. McDaniel
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On Sat, 2 Feb 2008 18:43:41 -0500, "PCR" wrote:

Olin K. McDaniel wrote:
| Hopefully this won't get too longwinded, but as a bit of background, I
| recently upgraded my hardware and wanted to keep all the software as
| before. I installed a new M.B. and CPU to go from a 600MHz Pentium 3
| unit to a 2.6 GHz Celeron unit.

Are you saying that only one machine is involved, & you replaced its MB
& CPU? So-- you now have a single machine that is 2.6 GHz? There is this
article to consider...

http://support.microsoft.com/default...08&Product=w98
Windows protection error in NDIS with a CPU that is faster than 2.1 GHz

HOWEVER... I think thankfully it does not apply to you, because you are
Win98SE (Second Edition). Also, you do not report that same error.
Finally, I believe you may have said the old HDD still will work on the
faster machine.

| Also I cloned over the multiboot
| OS's from drive 1 to another HD, since the older one was showing signs
| of failing.

The machine had only one HDD?


NO! I thought I said it had a total of 3 hard drives, but maybe not.
Regardless, the problem only exists with the boot drive with all 3
OS's on it.

Then, it is called HDD0-- they start
counting them at zero.


Yep, I know about that, in one context. However in the context that's
used by Partition Magic, they do not use that system. They number
them Drive 1, Drive 2, etc. I've simply become more comfortable with
Partition Magic and thus chose their system.


| The program used for cloning was Acronis True Image.
| There were 3 OS's on Drive 1, and they also are now on the newly
| installed HDD.

You cloned HDD0 to a new HDD. Yea, as MEB requested-- describe the two
HDD. What are their size & type?


See my earlier post for answer to this

| The heart of the multiboot system is Powerquest's Boot
| Magic, that has worked wonderfully for years. The 3 OS's are DOS 6.22
| (rarely used anymore), Windows 98SE (most heavily used) and Windows
| 2000 Pro (used somewhat).

I don't know BootMagic. Does it seem to have been copied over to the new
HDD by TrueImage? (I don't know TrueImage, either.) Or do you think you
might need to install it separately? Did you copy the 3 partitions over
to the new HDD in the same order they are on the old drive?


Let's clarify this. Boot Magic is a subset of PowerQuest's Partition
Magic, at least the version I use. Some one else bought them out, and
it's now sold under a different Brand, maybe like Syquest (?), I'm not
sure. Boot Magic is specific for installing onto one
partition/Operating system to allow selection of a current choice of
which OS to use. (I believe it only worked when I put it on Win2000).
However I do have Partition Magic installed in both W98 and W2K.

Further, Partition Magic allows a lot of copying over, etc. but it has
its limitations. When I found this new Acronis TrueImage, I found it
had managed to overcome those limitations. SO, when I copied all 3 of
the hard drives, I did so with Acronis. There are several modes for
doing so, some can cause grief - so I was careful to use the Manual
mode and tell it to copy everything exactly as it was on the original,
and to not "expand" the partitions, even if more space was available.
(Then later I could, and did, go back and use Partition Magic to do
that expansion as desired/needed. All of this manipulation went
without problems, as proven by the success with the other two hard
drives which are fully accessible - IF the OS can boot properly!!!!

| The problem developed subsequent to several days of allowing the new
| M.B. and CPU to install all its drivers, etc.

Describe what you did to accomplish that? How do things look in Device
Manager in Safe Mode-- any red/yellow ?/!'s on any devices?

| Essentially, I cannot boot up (on the NEW Hard Disk 1) into Win98SE in
| Normal mode - I get an error message that says "Error loading KERNEL.
| You must reinstall Windows". BUT - much to my annoyance, it WILL
| boot up fully in SAFE mode. Nothing that I've tried has cleared up
| this anomaly. I've followed the procedure found on MS's web site
| which tells me to "extract Kernel32.dll" from my installation CD and
| copy it to the folder Windows\System\, all to no avail, after multiple
| efforts.

Yea. I see that article...
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/146419
Error Loading Kernel. You Must Reinstall Windows

You did it right! Too bad it didn't work!

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q...oogle+Se arch
Google finds about 138,000 for Error Loading Kernel

| In addition, I've copied it over from the presumed "failing"
| hard drive, again with no success. I'm about ready to throw in the
| towel - hopefully, someone can give me an out. Before someone asks,
| there is NO problem booting up in Win2000 on this drive.
|
| Finally, as a further frustating fact, I can still do the multiboot if
| I swap out the new HD 1 to the old failing one. But I don't trust it
| lasting much longer.

What are you saying-- just that you get a menu from BootMagic? Or can
you be saying Win98 will actually boot from the old drive? How did the
new drive boot to Win98SE Safe Mode-- through a BootMagic screen? How
did it boot to Win2K?


Let's elaborate a little bit here, if you insist. With the New drive
in #1 (or call it #0 if you wish), I get the correct menu after going
thru the POST steps. This menu is that provided by Boot Magic. It
gives me 3 choices from which to Boot. DOS, W98 and W2000. I have
set it up for W98 as the Default, but that's simple to change. Also I
can Disable Boot Magic very simply, if desired. (Remember, all this
is on drive #1 and presumably exists on both the Old and the New
drives, but it only works FULLY on the New.) If I then choose W98 to
boot, that's when it gives the Error message, and insists on
restarting in Safe mode.

Again, to restate, the Old drive does not give me this menu choice,
but I think that's readily fixable. I've chosen not to screw with it
yet, rather just use the BM rescue disk to make my choice, and then I
can boot successfully on either of the OS's. SO - my Main effort is
in trying to fix the New drive in the #1 spot. Any other effort ahead
of that is a waste of time and probably counterproductive.


| I'm admittedly out of ideas - and if it should be a problem with the
| MBR, then I don't know how to repair it.

I don't know TrueImage or BootMagic. What does the process of copying a
partition to a new hard drive normally entail? Are there extra steps to
do in its instructions in order to make the drive bootable? Did you do
them? Looks like you do boot to Win98SE Safe Mode & fully to Win2K. SO--
something must be right. As far as BootMagic, what is it like to install
it? Maybe try that on the new drive, just in case TrueImage didn't get
all of it.


Hopefully the above 2 answers covers most of these questions also.
Although I've never successfully used GHOST, my understanding is that
True Image does much the same thing, and even more simply and with
less complications. I assure you that careful reading of its
instructions at each step of the way SHOULD allow most people to do it
without messing up. The fact that I successfully cloned over the
other 2 hard drives with it, should attest to the fact that I followed
their instructions correctly.

| Sorry it got this long - and it may not have all the useful info
| someone might think would lead to a clue. If so, please tell me what
| to check.

Keep at it. I think you are close, if you get to Safe Mode. But how are
you getting there?


Should be adequately answered above.


| Thanks, Olin McDaniel

You are welcome.

--
Thanks or Good Luck,
There may be humor in this post, and,
Naturally, you will not sue,
Should things get worse after this,
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Old February 4th 08, 04:32 PM posted to microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion
Olin K. McDaniel
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On Sat, 2 Feb 2008 17:43:32 -0500, "glee"
wrote:

When you are going to change major hardware such as the motherboard and processor,
you first need to remove the drivers for everything that is part of that
hardware.....chipset drivers, onboard audio and video, onboard LAN, floppy
controller, hard drive controllers, and so forth. If you did not do that before
changing the hardware, you should do it now from Safe Mode in Win98, as that is the
OS giving you trouble.

Click StartRun, type: scanregw
|click OK|
When prompted, say Yes to backing up the Registry.

Next, if your old or new motherboard uses onmboard video rather than a dedicated
video card, uninstall any display software and drivers, allowing Windows to change
your display adapter to Standard VGA 640x480, and reboot if prompted. Then
uninstall any audio software and drivers that are not part of the new system.

Now restart in Safe Mode, open Device Manager, expand all categories and start
removing devices.
You pretty much need to remove everything except the keyboard/mouse/monitor,
including all the items in the System section of Device Manager as well as in the
Other section, the USB Controllers section, all other drives and controllers,
display adapters, audio controllers, network adapter.

Click OK to close, then start in normal mode. Windows will begin detecting
hardware....when it finds the primary IDE controller and wants to reboot, say no and
let it find the secondary IDE controller too, then reboot at that prompt.
The next restart should find the rest of the current hardware, while the remnants of
the old hardware will no longer be present.

Be sure to then install the chipset drivers from the disc that came with your new
motherboard, reboot, then install the drivers for your display, audio and so forth.

An alternative to deleting individual items in Safe Mode Device Manager, is to open
the Registry Editor and delete the entire Enum key at this location:
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Enum
Then, shutdown, move the hard drive to the new system, and follow the suggestions
above.
The Safe Mode method is usually safer.
--
Glen Ventura, MS MVP Shell/User, A+
http://dts-l.net/
http://dts-l.net/goodpost.htm


Thanks Glen. But as I read your suggestions, I have to wonder how
they apply to what I posted. The replacement of the motherboard and
CPU was done weeks before the problem I was trying to fix ever showed
its head. SO, maybe I didn't do the "replacement" or "upgrade"
properly, it's nice to know how to do it the next time (assuming there
will be a next time), but that doesn't fix the current problem. Does
it?

Olin



"Olin K. McDaniel" wrote in message
. ..
Hopefully this won't get too longwinded, but as a bit of background, I
recently upgraded my hardware and wanted to keep all the software as
before. I installed a new M.B. and CPU to go from a 600MHz Pentium 3
unit to a 2.6 GHz Celeron unit. Also I cloned over the multiboot
OS's from drive 1 to another HD, since the older one was showing signs
of failing. The program used for cloning was Acronis True Image.
There were 3 OS's on Drive 1, and they also are now on the newly
installed HDD. The heart of the multiboot system is Powerquest's Boot
Magic, that has worked wonderfully for years. The 3 OS's are DOS 6.22
(rarely used anymore), Windows 98SE (most heavily used) and Windows
2000 Pro (used somewhat).

The problem developed subsequent to several days of allowing the new
M.B. and CPU to install all its drivers, etc.

Essentially, I cannot boot up (on the NEW Hard Disk 1) into Win98SE in
Normal mode - I get an error message that says "Error loading KERNEL.
You must reinstall Windows". BUT - much to my annoyance, it WILL
boot up fully in SAFE mode. Nothing that I've tried has cleared up
this anomaly. I've followed the procedure found on MS's web site
which tells me to "extract Kernel32.dll" from my installation CD and
copy it to the folder Windows\System\, all to no avail, after multiple
efforts. In addition, I've copied it over from the presumed "failing"
hard drive, again with no success. I'm about ready to throw in the
towel - hopefully, someone can give me an out. Before someone asks,
there is NO problem booting up in Win2000 on this drive.

Finally, as a further frustating fact, I can still do the multiboot if
I swap out the new HD 1 to the old failing one. But I don't trust it
lasting much longer.

I'm admittedly out of ideas - and if it should be a problem with the
MBR, then I don't know how to repair it.

Sorry it got this long - and it may not have all the useful info
someone might think would lead to a clue. If so, please tell me what
to check.

Thanks, Olin McDaniel

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Old February 4th 08, 05:11 PM posted to microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion
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On Sun, 3 Feb 2008 03:39:49 -0500, "MEB" meb@not
wrote:



"Olin K. McDaniel" wrote in message
.. .
| OK, I'll provide what I can, but it will be impossible to remember all
| the things you asked, since this has been an ongoing problem for over
| 3 weeks.
|
| First - the exact message was stated in my original post, i.e. "Error
| loading KERNEL. You must reinstall Windows". That's it, no more, no
| less.

Okay, I have had that occur more than once...

|
| The newly installed motherboard is a Biostar P4M80-M4. I can provide
| lots more details if needed here.

Not a the moment, this will allow background review of drivers/etc..

OS support - Win98SE/ME/NT4/2K/XP/64 - onsite drivers seem to be
2004/5-7[XP/64]

http://www.biostar-usa.com/mbdetails.asp?model=p4m80-m4 - general
description
ftp://ftp.biostar-usa.com/manuals/P4...80M4manual.pdf - manual

Looks like a nice board for 98. Not thrilled with the S3 on-board video
though.. but that's just me..


I do not currently use the on-board video nor the sound. I do use the
on-board LAN for DSL though, as opposed to a PCI card before upgrading
motherboards.

To clarify for the group, BootMagic is/was part of PartionMagic.

|
| The NEW hard drive is a Seagate 160 GB "Barracuda" ATA HD, 7200 RPM,
| which I used approx. 6 months in another computer, and removed it to
| install a 500 GB SATA in that unit. This 160 GB was then reformatted
| and used as the destination disk for cloning from the failing 160 GB
| ATA, 7200 Maxtor drive which is at least 3 years old now.

Okay, just to clarify, though you mention a 500gig drive we are NOT talking
about it as part of the issues.


That is correct. The 500 GB SATA drive was installed in another
computer that I use for different purposes.

The two drives at issue are 160 gig. One was apparently failing and relaced
by the Seagate. Was that drive 'cut" to the 137 gig barrier or is it full
capacity?

Let's go back thru how things had to be done. First of all, the old
motherboard DID have the 137 GB limit, so - the "old" 160 GB drive
(which was the Maxtor, incidentally) was limited by the motherboard's
137 limit.

Then after upgrading the motherboard, that Maxtor drive was still
unexpanded, even though I could have. That's when I used Acronis True
Image to clone that drive, plus the other 2 drives. I cloned that
Maxtor "EXACTLY" as it existed to the new Seagate - all this being
done under Windows 2000 since that's where I installed Acronis.

Next, I swapped the 160 GB drives, and at some point (no longer am
able to remember exactly when) I used Partition Magic to expand the
top partition of the drive containing Win2000 (but the NEW DRIVE
ONLY) to fill up the Unallocated space. All this may or may not be
important, but at the present time, the "Old" drive is still
unexpanded, and the "New" drive is expanded. That's exactly why I
keep asking if that expansion is what screwed up the "New" drive, by
messing up the MBR or something else. So far, no one has answered
that question for me.

Was the Maxtor "cut" or was it allowed to remain at full capacity?


See above answers.

Also, was the machine the Seagate was pulled from XP or VISTA?

NEGATIVE! I refuse to use either of those. It was pulled from a
machine using Windows 2000 Professional.

These questions are to determine potentials.


Hope my answers suffice.

|
| Now, your next 2 questions are not easy ones to answer with any
| certainty, since getting this entire system to work in all aspects has
| forced me to try many, many things - some of which might have added to
| my woes, admittedly. But as said in my original post, the new
| motherboard demanded that it go through a complete setup where it
| looked for drivers that I never expected. And it required my
| inserting the CD provided with it, to get its own drivers. I failed
| to keep record of what all this was. HOWEVER, when things got really
| screwed up, I actually pulled out the new drive and stuck the old
| failing one back in to check it out. The motherboard forced me to go
| thru the same setup of looking for drivers that suited it, etc. And
| it had a few problems also, but I got lucky and overcame them - all
| but one! That one concerns Boot Magic, which does not come up
| automatically, BUT if I use the Boot Magic 8.0 Rescue Disk, I can
| choose which system to boot under. And then all 3 OS's run just as
| they did earlier. SO, the "old failing" drive boots ok in Win 98 as
| well as Win 2K and DOS. That's when I tried cloning over from that
| old one (ONLY the W98 partition, though) to the new one. I did this
| many different ways, and many different selected files from the backup
| of the old drive's partition. So far, none of this has solved the
| problem with the ERROR message on the New drive, as far as W98 is
| concerned. Again, BOTH drives boot up and run fine in Win2K.

Okay, two others have provided suggestions, Glen [and PCR] directs to some
viable issues [cleaning old drivers] to attempt to start with. Perhaps he
will again place the Registry entries suggested at removal when making major
changes in the 9X OS due to hardware changes. This will mean re-installing
the MB drivers and other AGAIN.

PCR caught the issues with the Boot, and I'll add that depending upon how
the drive was cloned [what you chose to image], and formatted, the Boot
partition [BootMagic] may not be properly setup [clusters/sectors may be off
or other]. Manufactures use differring adapter chips and routines, and the
BIOS will translate somewhat differently, BootMagic may be having
difficulties. Reinstalling/reconfiguring the boot manager, if possible
without destroying the data/files, might help; though Scandisk will
sometimes correct those issues if not to drastic [you have all
OSs/partitions as either Fat16 or 32 correct?]. 2K can better handle
cluster/sector issues [self-repair], but that leaves DOS and 98 out in the
cold.

|
| Remember, the above answer is partially related to the New drive, and
| partially related to the Old drive. Both currently have a problem,
| but the problem with the Old one is easy to live with - stick in the
| BM Rescue disk. But that problem with the New one is intolerable, I
| cannot use W98 on the New drive.

I certainly hope you changed/checked the BIOS when you installed the new
drive. If the drives are set to AUTO detect then you can negate that issue,
though hopefully you also checked the other settings.as well.

|
| Now, let me ask a question out of total frustration. Is it possible
| the Master Boot Record (MBR) got screwed up on the New one? And if
| so, how to check and/or repair?

Possible, but let's deal with these other potential fixes first.

|
| Finally, if I have a complete backup of both Win98 partitions off both
| these drives - as they exist now, would it be useful to reformat the
| New drive and do a New installation from the original factory CD, then
| Restore from one of these backups? Or would I be right back where I
| am now?

The clean install would be the best recourse, but once you over-install
[copying the old over the new], you're right back here again. The issues
seem to relate to the drive layout and the registry. Work through the
suggestions and Post back with issues or results.

|
| After all this time, I'm willing to try the above, just groping for
| straws if it has a chance of working.
|
| Olin McDaniel
|

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| "Olin K. McDaniel" wrote in message
| . ..
| | Hopefully this won't get too longwinded, but as a bit of background, I
| | recently upgraded my hardware and wanted to keep all the software as
| | before. I installed a new M.B. and CPU to go from a 600MHz Pentium 3
| | unit to a 2.6 GHz Celeron unit. Also I cloned over the multiboot
| | OS's from drive 1 to another HD, since the older one was showing signs
| | of failing. The program used for cloning was Acronis True Image.
| | There were 3 OS's on Drive 1, and they also are now on the newly
| | installed HDD. The heart of the multiboot system is Powerquest's Boot
| | Magic, that has worked wonderfully for years. The 3 OS's are DOS 6.22
| | (rarely used anymore), Windows 98SE (most heavily used) and Windows
| | 2000 Pro (used somewhat).
| |
| | The problem developed subsequent to several days of allowing the new
| | M.B. and CPU to install all its drivers, etc.
| |
| | Essentially, I cannot boot up (on the NEW Hard Disk 1) into Win98SE in
| | Normal mode - I get an error message that says "Error loading KERNEL.
| | You must reinstall Windows". BUT - much to my annoyance, it WILL
| | boot up fully in SAFE mode. Nothing that I've tried has cleared up
| | this anomaly. I've followed the procedure found on MS's web site
| | which tells me to "extract Kernel32.dll" from my installation CD and
| | copy it to the folder Windows\System\, all to no avail, after multiple
| | efforts. In addition, I've copied it over from the presumed "failing"
| | hard drive, again with no success. I'm about ready to throw in the
| | towel - hopefully, someone can give me an out. Before someone asks,
| | there is NO problem booting up in Win2000 on this drive.
| |
| | Finally, as a further frustating fact, I can still do the multiboot if
| | I swap out the new HD 1 to the old failing one. But I don't trust it
| | lasting much longer.
| |
| | I'm admittedly out of ideas - and if it should be a problem with the
| | MBR, then I don't know how to repair it.
| |
| | Sorry it got this long - and it may not have all the useful info
| | someone might think would lead to a clue. If so, please tell me what
| | to check.
| |
| | Thanks, Olin McDaniel
| |


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Old February 4th 08, 05:43 PM posted to microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion
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"Olin K. McDaniel" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 2 Feb 2008 17:43:32 -0500, "glee"
wrote:

When you are going to change major hardware such as the motherboard and processor,
you first need to remove the drivers for everything that is part of that
hardware.....chipset drivers, onboard audio and video, onboard LAN, floppy
controller, hard drive controllers, and so forth. If you did not do that before
changing the hardware, you should do it now from Safe Mode in Win98, as that is
the
OS giving you trouble.

Click StartRun, type: scanregw
|click OK|
When prompted, say Yes to backing up the Registry.

Next, if your old or new motherboard uses onmboard video rather than a dedicated
video card, uninstall any display software and drivers, allowing Windows to change
your display adapter to Standard VGA 640x480, and reboot if prompted. Then
uninstall any audio software and drivers that are not part of the new system.

Now restart in Safe Mode, open Device Manager, expand all categories and start
removing devices.
You pretty much need to remove everything except the keyboard/mouse/monitor,
including all the items in the System section of Device Manager as well as in the
Other section, the USB Controllers section, all other drives and controllers,
display adapters, audio controllers, network adapter.

Click OK to close, then start in normal mode. Windows will begin detecting
hardware....when it finds the primary IDE controller and wants to reboot, say no
and
let it find the secondary IDE controller too, then reboot at that prompt.
The next restart should find the rest of the current hardware, while the remnants
of
the old hardware will no longer be present.

Be sure to then install the chipset drivers from the disc that came with your new
motherboard, reboot, then install the drivers for your display, audio and so
forth.

An alternative to deleting individual items in Safe Mode Device Manager, is to
open
the Registry Editor and delete the entire Enum key at this location:
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Enum
Then, shutdown, move the hard drive to the new system, and follow the suggestions
above.
The Safe Mode method is usually safer.


Thanks Glen. But as I read your suggestions, I have to wonder how
they apply to what I posted. The replacement of the motherboard and
CPU was done weeks before the problem I was trying to fix ever showed
its head. SO, maybe I didn't do the "replacement" or "upgrade"
properly, it's nice to know how to do it the next time (assuming there
will be a next time), but that doesn't fix the current problem. Does
it?

Olin


Apparently you missed this sentence in my original reply:

"If you did not do that before changing the hardware, you should do it now from Safe
Mode in Win98, as that is the OS giving you trouble."

I am describing what needs to be tried NOW.
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