Critical Updates KB867282 & KB891781

Gary S. Terhune wrote:
They do make it easy for current versions. There's always been
stand-alone downloads for Windows Updates, though I have to say that
it's a lot easier to find them these days than it used to be. Just not
for versions that are at the end of their life-cycle.

For all the "problems" people claim to have at Windows Updates, I've yet
to see more than a couple, on my machines or anyone else's.

Don't forget to count me in that group (not with getting the updates, but I
mean afterwards).

(Thank you). :-)

I still insist that problems with Updates, with a few notable
exceptions, are due to the way the system has been managed. Some, of
course, are also due to screwball or cheap hardware, s.

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS MVP Shell/User

"Bill in Co." wrote in message
.. .
Gary S. Terhune wrote:
They do make it easy for current versions. There's always been
stand-alone downloads for Windows Updates, though I have to say that
it's a lot easier to find them these days than it used to be. Just
not
for versions that are at the end of their life-cycle.

For all the "problems" people claim to have at Windows Updates, I've
yet
to see more than a couple, on my machines or anyone else's.

Don't forget to count me in that group (not with getting the updates,
but I
mean afterwards).

(Thank you). :-)

"Mostly Me (MM)" wrote in message
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Hugh Candlin wrote:
They are all available via the standard Windows Update procedure.

They are also all available manually,
via the Windows Update Catalog process.

Perhaps you could post the link to the file then?

I didn't see it in the catalog for Win98 and the article specifically
says that for Win98 is only available through Windows Updates. There
were download links provided for other platforms, but not Win98, or ME
for that matter.

You're more than welcome to find the link on this page:
http://www.microsoft.com/technet/sec.../ms05-014.mspx

Also, from PABear's post:
"These updates are only available for Win9x users via Windows Update."

BTW, there is no skulduggery involved in grabbing a file voluntarily
downloaded by any entity to *my* TIF folder.

Looking forward to the link from you ...

I could give you 171 of them if you like.

Or maybe just the 73 Critical Updates and Service Packs.

This one?

Cumulative Security Update for Internet Explorer 6 Service Pack 1
(KB867282) - (Posted Date: February 04, 2005)
Download size: 3.5 MB

This one?

Security Update for Windows 98
(KB891781) - (Posted Date: February 04, 2005)
Download size: 152 KB

This one?

Security Update for Windows Media Player 9 Series
(KB885492) - (Posted Date: February 04, 2005)
Download size: 1.9 MB

As I said, they are all listed in the Windows catalog.
under Windows 98 and Windows 98 SE,
which are listed right above Windows Millenium Edition.

I'm not quite sure what your problem is.

"darkrats" wrote in message
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Don't really know.

When I initially went to the Update site, I was asked to download a small
program, and after that the page remains blank. It's been like that for me
for a long time. But, as I said, I managed to get the file from another
source.

Would you like help configuring your browser
so that you can access the site?

darkrats wrote:
All I was musing about was why MS would not make it easier for Windows 98
users to link directly to the Update. That was all.

You can link directly to the update via http://windowsupdate.microsoft.com!
eg

Why don't they offer a standalone download for Win9x? Cos Win9x is on
extended Life Support (and you can thank your local MVP for that):

"How does the extended support for Windows 98, Windows 98 Second Edition,
and Windows Millennium Edition affect the release of security updates for
these operating systems?

"Microsoft will only release security updates for critical security issues.
Non-critical security issues are not offered during this support period. For
more information about the Microsoft Support Lifecycle policies for these
operating systems, visit the following Web site:
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=fh;[ln];LifeWin."
--
~PA Bear

Hugh Candlin wrote:

I could give you 171 of them if you like.

Why, yes. That would be dandy.

Or maybe just the 73 Critical Updates and Service Packs.

Yes, yes. Those also.

I'm not quite sure what your problem is.

Errr.. I don't have a problem. I downloaded and installed them fine
using Windows Update. Nor did I claim anything different. What makes you
think that? Perhaps you didn't read all the threads before you chimed
in? Go back and read them all one by one, you'll see that I didn't have
any problem installing them.

As far as KB867282 in the catalog, I'm not the only one who could not
find it listed under Win98, initially. (See Gary Terhune's post.)
Not to mention the article specifically says it's only available through
the Windows Update procedure. I took the article's word on it and PA
Bear's(who probably took the article's word for it, and restated it in
yet another post)but looked anyway, didn't see it. Maybe it wasn't there
when Gary or I looked, maybe we missed it.

As I said, I downloaded and installed them all without a hitch,
yesterday, from the info in this thread:
news://msnews.microsoft.com:119/OWIu...TNGP15.phx.gbl

I'm not quite sure what your problem is. Oh, actually, I am 100% sure.

MM

Gary S. Terhune wrote:
I still insist that problems with Updates, with a few notable
exceptions, are due to the way the system has been managed.

My system has been managed just fine, thank you, and after I took in that
one cumulative update, a few web pages didn't behave quite as they should,
OR AS THEY DID JUST BEFORE. And THAT *wasn't* my imagination.

Some, of course, are also due to screwball or cheap hardware, s.

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS MVP Shell/User

"Bill in Co." wrote in message
.. .
Gary S. Terhune wrote:
They do make it easy for current versions. There's always been
stand-alone downloads for Windows Updates, though I have to say that
it's a lot easier to find them these days than it used to be. Just not
for versions that are at the end of their life-cycle.

For all the "problems" people claim to have at Windows Updates, I've yet
to see more than a couple, on my machines or anyone else's.

Don't forget to count me in that group (not with getting the updates, but
I
mean afterwards).

(Thank you). :-)

Umm... Described the way you just did, I don't see what you encountered
as being a "problem."

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS MVP Shell/User

"Bill in Co." wrote in message
...
Gary S. Terhune wrote:
I still insist that problems with Updates, with a few notable
exceptions, are due to the way the system has been managed.

My system has been managed just fine, thank you, and after I took in
that
one cumulative update, a few web pages didn't behave quite as they
should,
OR AS THEY DID JUST BEFORE. And THAT *wasn't* my imagination.

Some, of course, are also due to screwball or cheap hardware, s.

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS MVP Shell/User

"Bill in Co." wrote in message
.. .
Gary S. Terhune wrote:
They do make it easy for current versions. There's always been
stand-alone downloads for Windows Updates, though I have to say
that
it's a lot easier to find them these days than it used to be. Just
not
for versions that are at the end of their life-cycle.

For all the "problems" people claim to have at Windows Updates,
I've yet
to see more than a couple, on my machines or anyone else's.

Don't forget to count me in that group (not with getting the
updates, but
I
mean afterwards).

(Thank you). :-)

The fact that some web pages behaved incorrectly just AFTER I installed the
cumulative - you don't see as a problem? And that I had no recourse, but
to install IE 6 SP1 (or do another fresh install of windows)?

Well, yeah, that might have been a blessing in disguise, but the point is,
the cumulative messed up my system (on some web pages). I did, however,
admit that, indeed, "it is an ill wind that blows no good". Maybe that's
what you're referring to, since I'm now on IE 6, whether I wanted it or not!

Gary S. Terhune wrote:
Umm... Described the way you just did, I don't see what you encountered
as being a "problem."

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS MVP Shell/User

"Bill in Co." wrote in message
...
Gary S. Terhune wrote:
I still insist that problems with Updates, with a few notable
exceptions, are due to the way the system has been managed.

My system has been managed just fine, thank you, and after I took in that
one cumulative update, a few web pages didn't behave quite as they
should,
OR AS THEY DID JUST BEFORE. And THAT *wasn't* my imagination.

Some, of course, are also due to screwball or cheap hardware, s.

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS MVP Shell/User

"Bill in Co." wrote in message
.. .
Gary S. Terhune wrote:
They do make it easy for current versions. There's always been
stand-alone downloads for Windows Updates, though I have to say that
it's a lot easier to find them these days than it used to be. Just not
for versions that are at the end of their life-cycle.

For all the "problems" people claim to have at Windows Updates, I've
yet
to see more than a couple, on my machines or anyone else's.

Don't forget to count me in that group (not with getting the updates,
but I
mean afterwards).

(Thank you). :-)

No, that's not what I'm referring to. Simply put, if you had a problem
with only a few web pages after the update (as compared to before the
update,) particularly if it wasn't a widely recognized, repeatable
problem, then regardless of your good intentions and best efforts, your
system was to blame. Call it a bad hair day, whatever... It doesn't make
the Update a problem Update. That with the literally innumerable
possible configurations, both hardware and software, upon or under which
Windows is expected to work, a few glitches here and there are to be
expected. I fully believe that if in your case you had reformatted and
reinstalled everything that you had on that system at that point, and
then again installed that same update, you were very unlikely to have
encountered the same problem. And even if you did, it would be due to
your very specific configuration, one that isn't likely to be shared by
anyone else in the universe.

For further understanding, I recommend a short course in Chaos Theory,
s.

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS MVP Shell/User

"Bill in Co." wrote in message
...
The fact that some web pages behaved incorrectly just AFTER I
installed the
cumulative - you don't see as a problem? And that I had no recourse,
but
to install IE 6 SP1 (or do another fresh install of windows)?

Well, yeah, that might have been a blessing in disguise, but the point
is,
the cumulative messed up my system (on some web pages). I did,
however,
admit that, indeed, "it is an ill wind that blows no good". Maybe
that's
what you're referring to, since I'm now on IE 6, whether I wanted it
or not!

Gary S. Terhune wrote:
Umm... Described the way you just did, I don't see what you
encountered
as being a "problem."

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS MVP Shell/User

"Bill in Co." wrote in message
...
Gary S. Terhune wrote:
I still insist that problems with Updates, with a few notable
exceptions, are due to the way the system has been managed.

My system has been managed just fine, thank you, and after I took
in that
one cumulative update, a few web pages didn't behave quite as they
should,
OR AS THEY DID JUST BEFORE. And THAT *wasn't* my imagination.

Some, of course, are also due to screwball or cheap hardware, s.

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS MVP Shell/User

"Bill in Co." wrote in message
.. .
Gary S. Terhune wrote:
They do make it easy for current versions. There's always been
stand-alone downloads for Windows Updates, though I have to say
that
it's a lot easier to find them these days than it used to be.
Just not
for versions that are at the end of their life-cycle.

For all the "problems" people claim to have at Windows Updates,
I've
yet
to see more than a couple, on my machines or anyone else's.

Don't forget to count me in that group (not with getting the
updates,
but I
mean afterwards).

(Thank you). :-)