Free Firewall?

Firewall, Harry.

Tell me, if you hit Ctrl-Alt-Del, do you see Winmgmt running?


Shane



"webster72n" wrote in message
...

Thank you for the feedback, Shane.
I thought of Kerio as an Antivirus program, but you mention firewall.
Which is it or does it cover both?
My firewall is Sygate.

Harry.


"Shane" wrote in message
...
Harry,

I quit ZA, other than for occassional testing of new builds, about 3
years
ago now. Every subsequent build I've tested has been at best a pita and
I
doubt I'll ever even test it again, let alone run it permanently. I used
to
swear by it and now I swear at it.

As for Avast!, I tried their AV and hated it. While their DOS version
performed poorly in my tests, that is a trivial reason as AVG's DOS
component did too, and yet I still use AVG in Windows.

Really the reason I hate Avast! is for the interface. I also hate
Marmite.
Others love it.

I would suggest that a cluttered or arcane interface is
counter-productive
in security software, but Avast! enthusiasts don't appear to find the
interface cluttered or arcane. This suggests to me that this is rather a
left- or right- hemisphere kind of an issue, which actually I find
reassuring, variety and black pepper being the spice etc etc.

However, I won't be trying the Avast! firewall - something of whose
existence I wasn't even aware - so cannot really comment other than to
say
that Kerio 2.1.5 strikes me as the pinnacle of software firewall
development, beyond which vendors - including Kerio - are merely tacking
on
all kinds of unnecessary fluff. iow for all I know Kerio may not be
better
than Avast! but Kerio 2.1.5 is all you need if you also practice Safe
Hex.


Shane



"webster72n" wrote in message
...

Shane and KB:

Hope you don't mind me, butting in with a contributing comment of my
own.
Hearing these adverse remarks about ZA makes me feel a lot better
especially
since I had to go without it, even though I paid for it.
It was giving me a heap of trouble.
I opted for Avast instead and am wondering, whether it's less
effective
than
Kerio. Happen to like it a lot (Avast).
Any feedback appreciated.

Harry.


"Shane" wrote in message
...
Ignore the fact it talks of 2.1.4., it's obviously a little
out-of-date.
Kerio 2.1.5 is the same but with a bugfix.


Shane


"Shane" wrote in message
...
Have a look he http://www.geocities.com/yosponge/firewall.html

I haven't even downloaded the files, let alone tested them, but
this
is
referred to by a trusted site (cexx.org).


Shane


"KB" wrote in message
...
Maybe it would have been better should I have said "I
understand" rather than "Point Taken". To me it means the
same, although to others it doesn't.

nous? What's that mean?

Great detailed setup instructions, Shane. Thanks a lot.
Are there any other setup 'rules' I should be aware of?
I'd hate to shut off ZA (which has provided good security,
despite the lock ups) to instead install an application
that lets my system get compromised, especially
considering I'm no longer using dial up.

It's reassuring to hear that I'm not the only one who's
had difficulties with ZA on ME. Every time I have a
lockup or problem, shut off ZA is the first course of
action, for me.

I'll let you know how things turn out.

Thanks again!

KB

I do appreciate the feedback.
-----Original Message-----

"KB" wrote in message
...
Point taken, Shane. Noel bailed me out nearly a year
ago
so not only do I enjoy his posts but respect his
guidance. It's one of those things.

No point intended bar to reinforce the affirmative I'm
sure you'll get from
Noel.


ZA really fights with a lot of things. I'll give 2.1.5
a
whirl (by itself of course) and see how it works.

I think all us Kerio users here probably began with Zone
Alarm and finally
migrated following it's seemingly endless
incompatibilities with Win ME.
However, Kerio 2.1.5 does require a shade more nous than
ZA for closing
certain ports via custom rules.

For instance, to block port 135:

R-click tray icon, choose Administration/Advanced/New

Set or type the following in the appropriate fields:

Description: eg, Block 135
Protocol: TCP and UDP
Direction: Incoming

(Local Endpoint)
Port Type: Single Port
Application: Any
Port Number: 135

(Remote Endpoint)
Address Type: Any address
Port Type: Any Port

Rule Valid: Always
Action: Deny

Do the same for TCP ports 1024 through 1030, choosing
*List of ports* rather
than *Any port* in the Port Type field and typing the
numbers seperated by
commas, eg 1024,1025,1026 etc.

Also block attempts by System or ICMP, Incoming or
Outgoing.

Otherwise the rules it installs with along with those you
make in the same
way as with Zone Alarm, eg allow or deny Windows Media
Player, Outlook
Express etc etc as they try to access the 'net should be
adequate.


Thanks for the feedback, Shane.

NP.

Shane


.

Shane:

Forgive my ignorance but,
hit "Ctrl-Alt-Del" out of the blue with everything running, or when?

Harry.



"Shane" wrote in message
...
Firewall, Harry.

Tell me, if you hit Ctrl-Alt-Del, do you see Winmgmt running?


Shane



"webster72n" wrote in message
...

Thank you for the feedback, Shane.
I thought of Kerio as an Antivirus program, but you mention firewall.
Which is it or does it cover both?
My firewall is Sygate.

Harry.


"Shane" wrote in message
...
Harry,

I quit ZA, other than for occassional testing of new builds, about 3
years
ago now. Every subsequent build I've tested has been at best a pita
and
I
doubt I'll ever even test it again, let alone run it permanently. I
used
to
swear by it and now I swear at it.

As for Avast!, I tried their AV and hated it. While their DOS version
performed poorly in my tests, that is a trivial reason as AVG's DOS
component did too, and yet I still use AVG in Windows.

Really the reason I hate Avast! is for the interface. I also hate
Marmite.
Others love it.

I would suggest that a cluttered or arcane interface is
counter-productive
in security software, but Avast! enthusiasts don't appear to find the
interface cluttered or arcane. This suggests to me that this is rather
a
left- or right- hemisphere kind of an issue, which actually I find
reassuring, variety and black pepper being the spice etc etc.

However, I won't be trying the Avast! firewall - something of whose
existence I wasn't even aware - so cannot really comment other than to
say
that Kerio 2.1.5 strikes me as the pinnacle of software firewall
development, beyond which vendors - including Kerio - are merely
tacking
on
all kinds of unnecessary fluff. iow for all I know Kerio may not be
better
than Avast! but Kerio 2.1.5 is all you need if you also practice Safe
Hex.


Shane



"webster72n" wrote in message
...

Shane and KB:

Hope you don't mind me, butting in with a contributing comment of my
own.
Hearing these adverse remarks about ZA makes me feel a lot better
especially
since I had to go without it, even though I paid for it.
It was giving me a heap of trouble.
I opted for Avast instead and am wondering, whether it's less
effective
than
Kerio. Happen to like it a lot (Avast).
Any feedback appreciated.

Harry.


"Shane" wrote in message
...
Ignore the fact it talks of 2.1.4., it's obviously a little
out-of-date.
Kerio 2.1.5 is the same but with a bugfix.


Shane


"Shane" wrote in message
...
Have a look he
http://www.geocities.com/yosponge/firewall.html

I haven't even downloaded the files, let alone tested them, but
this
is
referred to by a trusted site (cexx.org).


Shane


"KB" wrote in message
...
Maybe it would have been better should I have said "I
understand" rather than "Point Taken". To me it means the
same, although to others it doesn't.

nous? What's that mean?

Great detailed setup instructions, Shane. Thanks a lot.
Are there any other setup 'rules' I should be aware of?
I'd hate to shut off ZA (which has provided good security,
despite the lock ups) to instead install an application
that lets my system get compromised, especially
considering I'm no longer using dial up.

It's reassuring to hear that I'm not the only one who's
had difficulties with ZA on ME. Every time I have a
lockup or problem, shut off ZA is the first course of
action, for me.

I'll let you know how things turn out.

Thanks again!

KB

I do appreciate the feedback.
-----Original Message-----

"KB" wrote in message
...
Point taken, Shane. Noel bailed me out nearly a year
ago
so not only do I enjoy his posts but respect his
guidance. It's one of those things.

No point intended bar to reinforce the affirmative I'm
sure you'll get from
Noel.


ZA really fights with a lot of things. I'll give 2.1.5
a
whirl (by itself of course) and see how it works.

I think all us Kerio users here probably began with Zone
Alarm and finally
migrated following it's seemingly endless
incompatibilities with Win ME.
However, Kerio 2.1.5 does require a shade more nous than
ZA for closing
certain ports via custom rules.

For instance, to block port 135:

R-click tray icon, choose Administration/Advanced/New

Set or type the following in the appropriate fields:

Description: eg, Block 135
Protocol: TCP and UDP
Direction: Incoming

(Local Endpoint)
Port Type: Single Port
Application: Any
Port Number: 135

(Remote Endpoint)
Address Type: Any address
Port Type: Any Port

Rule Valid: Always
Action: Deny

Do the same for TCP ports 1024 through 1030, choosing
*List of ports* rather
than *Any port* in the Port Type field and typing the
numbers seperated by
commas, eg 1024,1025,1026 etc.

Also block attempts by System or ICMP, Incoming or
Outgoing.

Otherwise the rules it installs with along with those you
make in the same
way as with Zone Alarm, eg allow or deny Windows Media
Player, Outlook
Express etc etc as they try to access the 'net should be
adequate.


Thanks for the feedback, Shane.

NP.

Shane


.

Harry.......best to shut down all programs and then hit CAD.......no point
in seeing OE or IE in there. Shane wants to know what is running in the
background.....and especially WinMgmt.

Heather

"webster72n" wrote in message
...

Shane:

Forgive my ignorance but,
hit "Ctrl-Alt-Del" out of the blue with everything running, or when?

Harry.



"Shane" wrote in message
...
Firewall, Harry.

Tell me, if you hit Ctrl-Alt-Del, do you see Winmgmt running?


Shane



"webster72n" wrote in message
...

Thank you for the feedback, Shane.
I thought of Kerio as an Antivirus program, but you mention firewall.
Which is it or does it cover both?
My firewall is Sygate.

Harry.


"Shane" wrote in message
...
Harry,

I quit ZA, other than for occassional testing of new builds, about 3
years
ago now. Every subsequent build I've tested has been at best a pita
and
I
doubt I'll ever even test it again, let alone run it permanently. I
used
to
swear by it and now I swear at it.

As for Avast!, I tried their AV and hated it. While their DOS
version
performed poorly in my tests, that is a trivial reason as AVG's DOS
component did too, and yet I still use AVG in Windows.

Really the reason I hate Avast! is for the interface. I also hate
Marmite.
Others love it.

I would suggest that a cluttered or arcane interface is
counter-productive
in security software, but Avast! enthusiasts don't appear to find
the
interface cluttered or arcane. This suggests to me that this is
rather
a
left- or right- hemisphere kind of an issue, which actually I find
reassuring, variety and black pepper being the spice etc etc.

However, I won't be trying the Avast! firewall - something of whose
existence I wasn't even aware - so cannot really comment other than
to
say
that Kerio 2.1.5 strikes me as the pinnacle of software firewall
development, beyond which vendors - including Kerio - are merely
tacking
on
all kinds of unnecessary fluff. iow for all I know Kerio may not be
better
than Avast! but Kerio 2.1.5 is all you need if you also practice
Safe
Hex.


Shane



"webster72n" wrote in message
...

Shane and KB:

Hope you don't mind me, butting in with a contributing comment of
my
own.
Hearing these adverse remarks about ZA makes me feel a lot better
especially
since I had to go without it, even though I paid for it.
It was giving me a heap of trouble.
I opted for Avast instead and am wondering, whether it's less
effective
than
Kerio. Happen to like it a lot (Avast).
Any feedback appreciated.

Harry.


"Shane" wrote in message
...
Ignore the fact it talks of 2.1.4., it's obviously a little
out-of-date.
Kerio 2.1.5 is the same but with a bugfix.


Shane


"Shane" wrote in message
...
Have a look he
http://www.geocities.com/yosponge/firewall.html

I haven't even downloaded the files, let alone tested them,
but
this
is
referred to by a trusted site (cexx.org).


Shane


"KB" wrote in message
...
Maybe it would have been better should I have said "I
understand" rather than "Point Taken". To me it means the
same, although to others it doesn't.

nous? What's that mean?

Great detailed setup instructions, Shane. Thanks a lot.
Are there any other setup 'rules' I should be aware of?
I'd hate to shut off ZA (which has provided good security,
despite the lock ups) to instead install an application
that lets my system get compromised, especially
considering I'm no longer using dial up.

It's reassuring to hear that I'm not the only one who's
had difficulties with ZA on ME. Every time I have a
lockup or problem, shut off ZA is the first course of
action, for me.

I'll let you know how things turn out.

Thanks again!

KB

I do appreciate the feedback.
-----Original Message-----

"KB" wrote in message
...
Point taken, Shane. Noel bailed me out nearly a year
ago
so not only do I enjoy his posts but respect his
guidance. It's one of those things.

No point intended bar to reinforce the affirmative I'm
sure you'll get from
Noel.


ZA really fights with a lot of things. I'll give 2.1.5
a
whirl (by itself of course) and see how it works.

I think all us Kerio users here probably began with Zone
Alarm and finally
migrated following it's seemingly endless
incompatibilities with Win ME.
However, Kerio 2.1.5 does require a shade more nous than
ZA for closing
certain ports via custom rules.

For instance, to block port 135:

R-click tray icon, choose Administration/Advanced/New

Set or type the following in the appropriate fields:

Description: eg, Block 135
Protocol: TCP and UDP
Direction: Incoming

(Local Endpoint)
Port Type: Single Port
Application: Any
Port Number: 135

(Remote Endpoint)
Address Type: Any address
Port Type: Any Port

Rule Valid: Always
Action: Deny

Do the same for TCP ports 1024 through 1030, choosing
*List of ports* rather
than *Any port* in the Port Type field and typing the
numbers seperated by
commas, eg 1024,1025,1026 etc.

Also block attempts by System or ICMP, Incoming or
Outgoing.

Otherwise the rules it installs with along with those you
make in the same
way as with Zone Alarm, eg allow or deny Windows Media
Player, Outlook
Express etc etc as they try to access the 'net should be
adequate.


Thanks for the feedback, Shane.

NP.

Shane


.

That's what I was afraid of, Heather.
I remmber some time ago having a little trouble using this feature and
reading in posts from people in this NG about their difficulties when using
it.
It shouldn't really present a problem, should it?

Harry.


"Heather" wrote in message
...
Harry.......best to shut down all programs and then hit CAD.......no point
in seeing OE or IE in there. Shane wants to know what is running in the
background.....and especially WinMgmt.

Heather

"webster72n" wrote in message
...

Shane:

Forgive my ignorance but,
hit "Ctrl-Alt-Del" out of the blue with everything running, or when?

Harry.



"Shane" wrote in message
...
Firewall, Harry.

Tell me, if you hit Ctrl-Alt-Del, do you see Winmgmt running?


Shane



"webster72n" wrote in message
...

Thank you for the feedback, Shane.
I thought of Kerio as an Antivirus program, but you mention
firewall.
Which is it or does it cover both?
My firewall is Sygate.

Harry.


"Shane" wrote in message
...
Harry,

I quit ZA, other than for occassional testing of new builds, about
3
years
ago now. Every subsequent build I've tested has been at best a
pita
and
I
doubt I'll ever even test it again, let alone run it permanently.
I
used
to
swear by it and now I swear at it.

As for Avast!, I tried their AV and hated it. While their DOS
version
performed poorly in my tests, that is a trivial reason as AVG's
DOS
component did too, and yet I still use AVG in Windows.

Really the reason I hate Avast! is for the interface. I also hate
Marmite.
Others love it.

I would suggest that a cluttered or arcane interface is
counter-productive
in security software, but Avast! enthusiasts don't appear to find
the
interface cluttered or arcane. This suggests to me that this is
rather
a
left- or right- hemisphere kind of an issue, which actually I find
reassuring, variety and black pepper being the spice etc etc.

However, I won't be trying the Avast! firewall - something of
whose
existence I wasn't even aware - so cannot really comment other
than
to
say
that Kerio 2.1.5 strikes me as the pinnacle of software firewall
development, beyond which vendors - including Kerio - are merely
tacking
on
all kinds of unnecessary fluff. iow for all I know Kerio may not
be
better
than Avast! but Kerio 2.1.5 is all you need if you also practice
Safe
Hex.


Shane



"webster72n" wrote in message
...

Shane and KB:

Hope you don't mind me, butting in with a contributing comment
of
my
own.
Hearing these adverse remarks about ZA makes me feel a lot
better
especially
since I had to go without it, even though I paid for it.
It was giving me a heap of trouble.
I opted for Avast instead and am wondering, whether it's less
effective
than
Kerio. Happen to like it a lot (Avast).
Any feedback appreciated.

Harry.


"Shane" wrote in message
...
Ignore the fact it talks of 2.1.4., it's obviously a little
out-of-date.
Kerio 2.1.5 is the same but with a bugfix.


Shane


"Shane" wrote in message
...
Have a look he
http://www.geocities.com/yosponge/firewall.html

I haven't even downloaded the files, let alone tested them,
but
this
is
referred to by a trusted site (cexx.org).


Shane


"KB" wrote in message
...
Maybe it would have been better should I have said "I
understand" rather than "Point Taken". To me it means the
same, although to others it doesn't.

nous? What's that mean?

Great detailed setup instructions, Shane. Thanks a lot.
Are there any other setup 'rules' I should be aware of?
I'd hate to shut off ZA (which has provided good security,
despite the lock ups) to instead install an application
that lets my system get compromised, especially
considering I'm no longer using dial up.

It's reassuring to hear that I'm not the only one who's
had difficulties with ZA on ME. Every time I have a
lockup or problem, shut off ZA is the first course of
action, for me.

I'll let you know how things turn out.

Thanks again!

KB

I do appreciate the feedback.
-----Original Message-----

"KB" wrote in message
...
Point taken, Shane. Noel bailed me out nearly a year
ago
so not only do I enjoy his posts but respect his
guidance. It's one of those things.

No point intended bar to reinforce the affirmative I'm
sure you'll get from
Noel.


ZA really fights with a lot of things. I'll give 2.1.5
a
whirl (by itself of course) and see how it works.

I think all us Kerio users here probably began with Zone
Alarm and finally
migrated following it's seemingly endless
incompatibilities with Win ME.
However, Kerio 2.1.5 does require a shade more nous than
ZA for closing
certain ports via custom rules.

For instance, to block port 135:

R-click tray icon, choose Administration/Advanced/New

Set or type the following in the appropriate fields:

Description: eg, Block 135
Protocol: TCP and UDP
Direction: Incoming

(Local Endpoint)
Port Type: Single Port
Application: Any
Port Number: 135

(Remote Endpoint)
Address Type: Any address
Port Type: Any Port

Rule Valid: Always
Action: Deny

Do the same for TCP ports 1024 through 1030, choosing
*List of ports* rather
than *Any port* in the Port Type field and typing the
numbers seperated by
commas, eg 1024,1025,1026 etc.

Also block attempts by System or ICMP, Incoming or
Outgoing.

Otherwise the rules it installs with along with those you
make in the same
way as with Zone Alarm, eg allow or deny Windows Media
Player, Outlook
Express etc etc as they try to access the 'net should be
adequate.


Thanks for the feedback, Shane.

NP.

Shane


.

Harry.....there is no problem associated with using Ctrl-Alt-Del at all!! I
just suggested you not have anything open because it would show up in the
list of things that are running......no point in that.

I have had this Winmgnt thing show up from time to time.....no reason why
that I can figure out.

Go ahead and check. I often do to see what is running.

Heather
"webster72n" wrote in message
...

That's what I was afraid of, Heather.
I remmber some time ago having a little trouble using this feature and
reading in posts from people in this NG about their difficulties when
using
it.
It shouldn't really present a problem, should it?

Harry.


"Heather" wrote in message
...
Harry.......best to shut down all programs and then hit CAD.......no
point
in seeing OE or IE in there. Shane wants to know what is running in the
background.....and especially WinMgmt.

Heather

"webster72n" wrote in message
...

Shane:

Forgive my ignorance but,
hit "Ctrl-Alt-Del" out of the blue with everything running, or when?

Harry.



"Shane" wrote in message
...
Firewall, Harry.

Tell me, if you hit Ctrl-Alt-Del, do you see Winmgmt running?


Shane



"webster72n" wrote in message
...

Thank you for the feedback, Shane.
I thought of Kerio as an Antivirus program, but you mention
firewall.
Which is it or does it cover both?
My firewall is Sygate.

Harry.


"Shane" wrote in message
...
Harry,

I quit ZA, other than for occassional testing of new builds,
about
3
years
ago now. Every subsequent build I've tested has been at best a
pita
and
I
doubt I'll ever even test it again, let alone run it
permanently.
I
used
to
swear by it and now I swear at it.

As for Avast!, I tried their AV and hated it. While their DOS
version
performed poorly in my tests, that is a trivial reason as AVG's
DOS
component did too, and yet I still use AVG in Windows.

Really the reason I hate Avast! is for the interface. I also
hate
Marmite.
Others love it.

I would suggest that a cluttered or arcane interface is
counter-productive
in security software, but Avast! enthusiasts don't appear to
find
the
interface cluttered or arcane. This suggests to me that this is
rather
a
left- or right- hemisphere kind of an issue, which actually I
find
reassuring, variety and black pepper being the spice etc etc.

However, I won't be trying the Avast! firewall - something of
whose
existence I wasn't even aware - so cannot really comment other
than
to
say
that Kerio 2.1.5 strikes me as the pinnacle of software firewall
development, beyond which vendors - including Kerio - are merely
tacking
on
all kinds of unnecessary fluff. iow for all I know Kerio may not
be
better
than Avast! but Kerio 2.1.5 is all you need if you also practice
Safe
Hex.


Shane



"webster72n" wrote in message
...

Shane and KB:

Hope you don't mind me, butting in with a contributing comment
of
my
own.
Hearing these adverse remarks about ZA makes me feel a lot
better
especially
since I had to go without it, even though I paid for it.
It was giving me a heap of trouble.
I opted for Avast instead and am wondering, whether it's less
effective
than
Kerio. Happen to like it a lot (Avast).
Any feedback appreciated.

Harry.


"Shane" wrote in message
...
Ignore the fact it talks of 2.1.4., it's obviously a little
out-of-date.
Kerio 2.1.5 is the same but with a bugfix.


Shane


"Shane" wrote in message
...
Have a look he
http://www.geocities.com/yosponge/firewall.html

I haven't even downloaded the files, let alone tested
them,
but
this
is
referred to by a trusted site (cexx.org).


Shane


"KB" wrote in message
...
Maybe it would have been better should I have said "I
understand" rather than "Point Taken". To me it means
the
same, although to others it doesn't.

nous? What's that mean?

Great detailed setup instructions, Shane. Thanks a lot.
Are there any other setup 'rules' I should be aware of?
I'd hate to shut off ZA (which has provided good
security,
despite the lock ups) to instead install an application
that lets my system get compromised, especially
considering I'm no longer using dial up.

It's reassuring to hear that I'm not the only one who's
had difficulties with ZA on ME. Every time I have a
lockup or problem, shut off ZA is the first course of
action, for me.

I'll let you know how things turn out.

Thanks again!

KB

I do appreciate the feedback.
-----Original Message-----

"KB" wrote in message
...
Point taken, Shane. Noel bailed me out nearly a year
ago
so not only do I enjoy his posts but respect his
guidance. It's one of those things.

No point intended bar to reinforce the affirmative I'm
sure you'll get from
Noel.


ZA really fights with a lot of things. I'll give
2.1.5
a
whirl (by itself of course) and see how it works.

I think all us Kerio users here probably began with
Zone
Alarm and finally
migrated following it's seemingly endless
incompatibilities with Win ME.
However, Kerio 2.1.5 does require a shade more nous
than
ZA for closing
certain ports via custom rules.

For instance, to block port 135:

R-click tray icon, choose Administration/Advanced/New

Set or type the following in the appropriate fields:

Description: eg, Block 135
Protocol: TCP and UDP
Direction: Incoming

(Local Endpoint)
Port Type: Single Port
Application: Any
Port Number: 135

(Remote Endpoint)
Address Type: Any address
Port Type: Any Port

Rule Valid: Always
Action: Deny

Do the same for TCP ports 1024 through 1030, choosing
*List of ports* rather
than *Any port* in the Port Type field and typing the
numbers seperated by
commas, eg 1024,1025,1026 etc.

Also block attempts by System or ICMP, Incoming or
Outgoing.

Otherwise the rules it installs with along with those
you
make in the same
way as with Zone Alarm, eg allow or deny Windows Media
Player, Outlook
Express etc etc as they try to access the 'net should
be
adequate.


Thanks for the feedback, Shane.

NP.

Shane


.

I always thought I'd break stuff by using it, but apparently not... not
even things like DVD playing... though I think if I was trying to record
something I'd probably lose it for the time TaskManager was up.

Rick



Heather wrote:
Harry.....there is no problem associated with using Ctrl-Alt-Del at all!! I
just suggested you not have anything open because it would show up in the
list of things that are running......no point in that.

I have had this Winmgnt thing show up from time to time.....no reason why
that I can figure out.

Go ahead and check. I often do to see what is running.

Heather
"webster72n" wrote in message
...

That's what I was afraid of, Heather.
I remmber some time ago having a little trouble using this feature and
reading in posts from people in this NG about their difficulties when

using

it.
It shouldn't really present a problem, should it?

Harry.


"Heather" wrote in message
...

Harry.......best to shut down all programs and then hit CAD.......no

point

in seeing OE or IE in there. Shane wants to know what is running in the
background.....and especially WinMgmt.

Heather

"webster72n" wrote in message
...

Shane:

Forgive my ignorance but,
hit "Ctrl-Alt-Del" out of the blue with everything running, or when?

Harry.



"Shane" wrote in message
.. .

Firewall, Harry.

Tell me, if you hit Ctrl-Alt-Del, do you see Winmgmt running?


Shane



"webster72n" wrote in message
. ..

Thank you for the feedback, Shane.
I thought of Kerio as an Antivirus program, but you mention

firewall.

Which is it or does it cover both?
My firewall is Sygate.

Harry.


"Shane" wrote in message
.. .

Harry,

I quit ZA, other than for occassional testing of new builds,

about

3

years

ago now. Every subsequent build I've tested has been at best a

pita

and

I

doubt I'll ever even test it again, let alone run it

permanently.

I

used

to

swear by it and now I swear at it.

As for Avast!, I tried their AV and hated it. While their DOS

version

performed poorly in my tests, that is a trivial reason as AVG's

DOS

component did too, and yet I still use AVG in Windows.

Really the reason I hate Avast! is for the interface. I also

hate

Marmite.

Others love it.

I would suggest that a cluttered or arcane interface is

counter-productive

in security software, but Avast! enthusiasts don't appear to

find

the

interface cluttered or arcane. This suggests to me that this is

rather

a

left- or right- hemisphere kind of an issue, which actually I

find

reassuring, variety and black pepper being the spice etc etc.

However, I won't be trying the Avast! firewall - something of

whose

existence I wasn't even aware - so cannot really comment other

than

to

say

that Kerio 2.1.5 strikes me as the pinnacle of software firewall
development, beyond which vendors - including Kerio - are merely

tacking

on

all kinds of unnecessary fluff. iow for all I know Kerio may not

be

better

than Avast! but Kerio 2.1.5 is all you need if you also practice

Safe

Hex.


Shane



"webster72n" wrote in message
. ..

Shane and KB:

Hope you don't mind me, butting in with a contributing comment

of

my

own.

Hearing these adverse remarks about ZA makes me feel a lot

better

especially

since I had to go without it, even though I paid for it.
It was giving me a heap of trouble.
I opted for Avast instead and am wondering, whether it's less

effective

than

Kerio. Happen to like it a lot (Avast).
Any feedback appreciated.

Harry.


"Shane" wrote in message
...

Ignore the fact it talks of 2.1.4., it's obviously a little

out-of-date.

Kerio 2.1.5 is the same but with a bugfix.


Shane


"Shane" wrote in message
l...

Have a look he

http://www.geocities.com/yosponge/firewall.html

I haven't even downloaded the files, let alone tested

them,

but

this

is

referred to by a trusted site (cexx.org).


Shane


"KB" wrote in message
news:0aba01c55b3f$340aafb0$a501280a@phx. gbl...

Maybe it would have been better should I have said "I
understand" rather than "Point Taken". To me it means

the

same, although to others it doesn't.

nous? What's that mean?

Great detailed setup instructions, Shane. Thanks a lot.
Are there any other setup 'rules' I should be aware of?
I'd hate to shut off ZA (which has provided good

security,

despite the lock ups) to instead install an application
that lets my system get compromised, especially
considering I'm no longer using dial up.

It's reassuring to hear that I'm not the only one who's
had difficulties with ZA on ME. Every time I have a
lockup or problem, shut off ZA is the first course of
action, for me.

I'll let you know how things turn out.

Thanks again!

KB

I do appreciate the feedback.

-----Original Message-----

"KB" wrote in message
news:0a8b01c55b31$0fb3bd90$a501280a@ph x.gbl...

Point taken, Shane. Noel bailed me out nearly a year

ago

so not only do I enjoy his posts but respect his
guidance. It's one of those things.

No point intended bar to reinforce the affirmative I'm

sure you'll get from

Noel.


ZA really fights with a lot of things. I'll give

2.1.5

a

whirl (by itself of course) and see how it works.

I think all us Kerio users here probably began with

Zone

Alarm and finally

migrated following it's seemingly endless

incompatibilities with Win ME.

However, Kerio 2.1.5 does require a shade more nous

than

ZA for closing

certain ports via custom rules.

For instance, to block port 135:

R-click tray icon, choose Administration/Advanced/New

Set or type the following in the appropriate fields:

Description: eg, Block 135
Protocol: TCP and UDP
Direction: Incoming

(Local Endpoint)
Port Type: Single Port
Application: Any
Port Number: 135

(Remote Endpoint)
Address Type: Any address
Port Type: Any Port

Rule Valid: Always
Action: Deny

Do the same for TCP ports 1024 through 1030, choosing

*List of ports* rather

than *Any port* in the Port Type field and typing the

numbers seperated by

commas, eg 1024,1025,1026 etc.

Also block attempts by System or ICMP, Incoming or

Outgoing.

Otherwise the rules it installs with along with those

you

make in the same

way as with Zone Alarm, eg allow or deny Windows Media

Player, Outlook

Express etc etc as they try to access the 'net should

be

adequate.

Thanks for the feedback, Shane.

NP.

Shane


.

Thank you, Heather, for your kind and constructive support.
Using Ctrl+Alt+Del I got this "Close Program" dialog box with the warning
message and the three options of "End Task", "Shut Down" and "Cancel".
Is that the so-called WinMgmt?
Now I have something to tell Shane.
'be back.

Harry.


"Heather" wrote in message
...
Harry.....there is no problem associated with using Ctrl-Alt-Del at all!!
I
just suggested you not have anything open because it would show up in the
list of things that are running......no point in that.

I have had this Winmgnt thing show up from time to time.....no reason why
that I can figure out.

Go ahead and check. I often do to see what is running.

Heather
"webster72n" wrote in message
...

That's what I was afraid of, Heather.
I remmber some time ago having a little trouble using this feature and
reading in posts from people in this NG about their difficulties when
using
it.
It shouldn't really present a problem, should it?

Harry.


"Heather" wrote in message
...
Harry.......best to shut down all programs and then hit CAD.......no
point
in seeing OE or IE in there. Shane wants to know what is running in
the
background.....and especially WinMgmt.

Heather

"webster72n" wrote in message
...

Shane:

Forgive my ignorance but,
hit "Ctrl-Alt-Del" out of the blue with everything running, or when?

Harry.



"Shane" wrote in message
...
Firewall, Harry.

Tell me, if you hit Ctrl-Alt-Del, do you see Winmgmt running?


Shane



"webster72n" wrote in message
...

Thank you for the feedback, Shane.
I thought of Kerio as an Antivirus program, but you mention
firewall.
Which is it or does it cover both?
My firewall is Sygate.

Harry.


"Shane" wrote in message
...
Harry,

I quit ZA, other than for occassional testing of new builds,
about
3
years
ago now. Every subsequent build I've tested has been at best a
pita
and
I
doubt I'll ever even test it again, let alone run it
permanently.
I
used
to
swear by it and now I swear at it.

As for Avast!, I tried their AV and hated it. While their DOS
version
performed poorly in my tests, that is a trivial reason as
AVG's
DOS
component did too, and yet I still use AVG in Windows.

Really the reason I hate Avast! is for the interface. I also
hate
Marmite.
Others love it.

I would suggest that a cluttered or arcane interface is
counter-productive
in security software, but Avast! enthusiasts don't appear to
find
the
interface cluttered or arcane. This suggests to me that this
is
rather
a
left- or right- hemisphere kind of an issue, which actually I
find
reassuring, variety and black pepper being the spice etc etc.

However, I won't be trying the Avast! firewall - something of
whose
existence I wasn't even aware - so cannot really comment other
than
to
say
that Kerio 2.1.5 strikes me as the pinnacle of software
firewall
development, beyond which vendors - including Kerio - are
merely
tacking
on
all kinds of unnecessary fluff. iow for all I know Kerio may
not
be
better
than Avast! but Kerio 2.1.5 is all you need if you also
practice
Safe
Hex.


Shane



"webster72n" wrote in message
...

Shane and KB:

Hope you don't mind me, butting in with a contributing
comment
of
my
own.
Hearing these adverse remarks about ZA makes me feel a lot
better
especially
since I had to go without it, even though I paid for it.
It was giving me a heap of trouble.
I opted for Avast instead and am wondering, whether it's
less
effective
than
Kerio. Happen to like it a lot (Avast).
Any feedback appreciated.

Harry.


"Shane" wrote in message
...
Ignore the fact it talks of 2.1.4., it's obviously a
little
out-of-date.
Kerio 2.1.5 is the same but with a bugfix.


Shane


"Shane" wrote in message
...
Have a look he
http://www.geocities.com/yosponge/firewall.html

I haven't even downloaded the files, let alone tested
them,
but
this
is
referred to by a trusted site (cexx.org).


Shane


"KB" wrote in message
...
Maybe it would have been better should I have said "I
understand" rather than "Point Taken". To me it means
the
same, although to others it doesn't.

nous? What's that mean?

Great detailed setup instructions, Shane. Thanks a
lot.
Are there any other setup 'rules' I should be aware
of?
I'd hate to shut off ZA (which has provided good
security,
despite the lock ups) to instead install an
application
that lets my system get compromised, especially
considering I'm no longer using dial up.

It's reassuring to hear that I'm not the only one
who's
had difficulties with ZA on ME. Every time I have a
lockup or problem, shut off ZA is the first course of
action, for me.

I'll let you know how things turn out.

Thanks again!

KB

I do appreciate the feedback.
-----Original Message-----

"KB" wrote in message
...
Point taken, Shane. Noel bailed me out nearly a
year
ago
so not only do I enjoy his posts but respect his
guidance. It's one of those things.

No point intended bar to reinforce the affirmative
I'm
sure you'll get from
Noel.


ZA really fights with a lot of things. I'll give
2.1.5
a
whirl (by itself of course) and see how it works.

I think all us Kerio users here probably began with
Zone
Alarm and finally
migrated following it's seemingly endless
incompatibilities with Win ME.
However, Kerio 2.1.5 does require a shade more nous
than
ZA for closing
certain ports via custom rules.

For instance, to block port 135:

R-click tray icon, choose Administration/Advanced/New

Set or type the following in the appropriate fields:

Description: eg, Block 135
Protocol: TCP and UDP
Direction: Incoming

(Local Endpoint)
Port Type: Single Port
Application: Any
Port Number: 135

(Remote Endpoint)
Address Type: Any address
Port Type: Any Port

Rule Valid: Always
Action: Deny

Do the same for TCP ports 1024 through 1030, choosing
*List of ports* rather
than *Any port* in the Port Type field and typing the
numbers seperated by
commas, eg 1024,1025,1026 etc.

Also block attempts by System or ICMP, Incoming or
Outgoing.

Otherwise the rules it installs with along with those
you
make in the same
way as with Zone Alarm, eg allow or deny Windows
Media
Player, Outlook
Express etc etc as they try to access the 'net should
be
adequate.


Thanks for the feedback, Shane.

NP.

Shane


.

Shane:

As I told Heather already, I got this dialog box using Ctrl+Alt+Del.
There were unfamiliar names listed and one of them as follows:
"Smc [Not responding]".
Have no idea what to make of it, Shane.
What's your take on that?

Harry.


"Shane" wrote in message
...
Firewall, Harry.

Tell me, if you hit Ctrl-Alt-Del, do you see Winmgmt running?


Shane



"webster72n" wrote in message
...

Thank you for the feedback, Shane.
I thought of Kerio as an Antivirus program, but you mention firewall.
Which is it or does it cover both?
My firewall is Sygate.

Harry.


"Shane" wrote in message
...
Harry,

I quit ZA, other than for occassional testing of new builds, about 3
years
ago now. Every subsequent build I've tested has been at best a pita
and
I
doubt I'll ever even test it again, let alone run it permanently. I
used
to
swear by it and now I swear at it.

As for Avast!, I tried their AV and hated it. While their DOS version
performed poorly in my tests, that is a trivial reason as AVG's DOS
component did too, and yet I still use AVG in Windows.

Really the reason I hate Avast! is for the interface. I also hate
Marmite.
Others love it.

I would suggest that a cluttered or arcane interface is
counter-productive
in security software, but Avast! enthusiasts don't appear to find the
interface cluttered or arcane. This suggests to me that this is rather
a
left- or right- hemisphere kind of an issue, which actually I find
reassuring, variety and black pepper being the spice etc etc.

However, I won't be trying the Avast! firewall - something of whose
existence I wasn't even aware - so cannot really comment other than to
say
that Kerio 2.1.5 strikes me as the pinnacle of software firewall
development, beyond which vendors - including Kerio - are merely
tacking
on
all kinds of unnecessary fluff. iow for all I know Kerio may not be
better
than Avast! but Kerio 2.1.5 is all you need if you also practice Safe
Hex.


Shane



"webster72n" wrote in message
...

Shane and KB:

Hope you don't mind me, butting in with a contributing comment of my
own.
Hearing these adverse remarks about ZA makes me feel a lot better
especially
since I had to go without it, even though I paid for it.
It was giving me a heap of trouble.
I opted for Avast instead and am wondering, whether it's less
effective
than
Kerio. Happen to like it a lot (Avast).
Any feedback appreciated.

Harry.


"Shane" wrote in message
...
Ignore the fact it talks of 2.1.4., it's obviously a little
out-of-date.
Kerio 2.1.5 is the same but with a bugfix.


Shane


"Shane" wrote in message
...
Have a look he
http://www.geocities.com/yosponge/firewall.html

I haven't even downloaded the files, let alone tested them, but
this
is
referred to by a trusted site (cexx.org).


Shane


"KB" wrote in message
...
Maybe it would have been better should I have said "I
understand" rather than "Point Taken". To me it means the
same, although to others it doesn't.

nous? What's that mean?

Great detailed setup instructions, Shane. Thanks a lot.
Are there any other setup 'rules' I should be aware of?
I'd hate to shut off ZA (which has provided good security,
despite the lock ups) to instead install an application
that lets my system get compromised, especially
considering I'm no longer using dial up.

It's reassuring to hear that I'm not the only one who's
had difficulties with ZA on ME. Every time I have a
lockup or problem, shut off ZA is the first course of
action, for me.

I'll let you know how things turn out.

Thanks again!

KB

I do appreciate the feedback.
-----Original Message-----

"KB" wrote in message
...
Point taken, Shane. Noel bailed me out nearly a year
ago
so not only do I enjoy his posts but respect his
guidance. It's one of those things.

No point intended bar to reinforce the affirmative I'm
sure you'll get from
Noel.


ZA really fights with a lot of things. I'll give 2.1.5
a
whirl (by itself of course) and see how it works.

I think all us Kerio users here probably began with Zone
Alarm and finally
migrated following it's seemingly endless
incompatibilities with Win ME.
However, Kerio 2.1.5 does require a shade more nous than
ZA for closing
certain ports via custom rules.

For instance, to block port 135:

R-click tray icon, choose Administration/Advanced/New

Set or type the following in the appropriate fields:

Description: eg, Block 135
Protocol: TCP and UDP
Direction: Incoming

(Local Endpoint)
Port Type: Single Port
Application: Any
Port Number: 135

(Remote Endpoint)
Address Type: Any address
Port Type: Any Port

Rule Valid: Always
Action: Deny

Do the same for TCP ports 1024 through 1030, choosing
*List of ports* rather
than *Any port* in the Port Type field and typing the
numbers seperated by
commas, eg 1024,1025,1026 etc.

Also block attempts by System or ICMP, Incoming or
Outgoing.

Otherwise the rules it installs with along with those you
make in the same
way as with Zone Alarm, eg allow or deny Windows Media
Player, Outlook
Express etc etc as they try to access the 'net should be
adequate.


Thanks for the feedback, Shane.

NP.

Shane


.

Hi Harry.....this is Shane's alter ego (ack!).....that is the box that Shane
wanted you to get.....now see if Winmgmt is in it.

(Not Responding) means a program has frozen.....no clue what Smc is....but
when my screen freezes, I use CAD and shut down the non-responding item.

Shanette

"webster72n" wrote in message
...

Shane:

As I told Heather already, I got this dialog box using Ctrl+Alt+Del.
There were unfamiliar names listed and one of them as follows:
"Smc [Not responding]".
Have no idea what to make of it, Shane.
What's your take on that?

Harry.


"Shane" wrote in message
...
Firewall, Harry.

Tell me, if you hit Ctrl-Alt-Del, do you see Winmgmt running?


Shane



"webster72n" wrote in message
...

Thank you for the feedback, Shane.
I thought of Kerio as an Antivirus program, but you mention firewall.
Which is it or does it cover both?
My firewall is Sygate.

Harry.


"Shane" wrote in message
...
Harry,

I quit ZA, other than for occassional testing of new builds, about 3
years
ago now. Every subsequent build I've tested has been at best a pita
and
I
doubt I'll ever even test it again, let alone run it permanently. I
used
to
swear by it and now I swear at it.

As for Avast!, I tried their AV and hated it. While their DOS
version
performed poorly in my tests, that is a trivial reason as AVG's DOS
component did too, and yet I still use AVG in Windows.

Really the reason I hate Avast! is for the interface. I also hate
Marmite.
Others love it.

I would suggest that a cluttered or arcane interface is
counter-productive
in security software, but Avast! enthusiasts don't appear to find
the
interface cluttered or arcane. This suggests to me that this is
rather
a
left- or right- hemisphere kind of an issue, which actually I find
reassuring, variety and black pepper being the spice etc etc.

However, I won't be trying the Avast! firewall - something of whose
existence I wasn't even aware - so cannot really comment other than
to
say
that Kerio 2.1.5 strikes me as the pinnacle of software firewall
development, beyond which vendors - including Kerio - are merely
tacking
on
all kinds of unnecessary fluff. iow for all I know Kerio may not be
better
than Avast! but Kerio 2.1.5 is all you need if you also practice
Safe
Hex.


Shane



"webster72n" wrote in message
...

Shane and KB:

Hope you don't mind me, butting in with a contributing comment of
my
own.
Hearing these adverse remarks about ZA makes me feel a lot better
especially
since I had to go without it, even though I paid for it.
It was giving me a heap of trouble.
I opted for Avast instead and am wondering, whether it's less
effective
than
Kerio. Happen to like it a lot (Avast).
Any feedback appreciated.

Harry.


"Shane" wrote in message
...
Ignore the fact it talks of 2.1.4., it's obviously a little
out-of-date.
Kerio 2.1.5 is the same but with a bugfix.


Shane


"Shane" wrote in message
...
Have a look he
http://www.geocities.com/yosponge/firewall.html

I haven't even downloaded the files, let alone tested them,
but
this
is
referred to by a trusted site (cexx.org).


Shane


"KB" wrote in message
...
Maybe it would have been better should I have said "I
understand" rather than "Point Taken". To me it means the
same, although to others it doesn't.

nous? What's that mean?

Great detailed setup instructions, Shane. Thanks a lot.
Are there any other setup 'rules' I should be aware of?
I'd hate to shut off ZA (which has provided good security,
despite the lock ups) to instead install an application
that lets my system get compromised, especially
considering I'm no longer using dial up.

It's reassuring to hear that I'm not the only one who's
had difficulties with ZA on ME. Every time I have a
lockup or problem, shut off ZA is the first course of
action, for me.

I'll let you know how things turn out.

Thanks again!

KB

I do appreciate the feedback.
-----Original Message-----

"KB" wrote in message
...
Point taken, Shane. Noel bailed me out nearly a year
ago
so not only do I enjoy his posts but respect his
guidance. It's one of those things.

No point intended bar to reinforce the affirmative I'm
sure you'll get from
Noel.


ZA really fights with a lot of things. I'll give 2.1.5
a
whirl (by itself of course) and see how it works.

I think all us Kerio users here probably began with Zone
Alarm and finally
migrated following it's seemingly endless
incompatibilities with Win ME.
However, Kerio 2.1.5 does require a shade more nous than
ZA for closing
certain ports via custom rules.

For instance, to block port 135:

R-click tray icon, choose Administration/Advanced/New

Set or type the following in the appropriate fields:

Description: eg, Block 135
Protocol: TCP and UDP
Direction: Incoming

(Local Endpoint)
Port Type: Single Port
Application: Any
Port Number: 135

(Remote Endpoint)
Address Type: Any address
Port Type: Any Port

Rule Valid: Always
Action: Deny

Do the same for TCP ports 1024 through 1030, choosing
*List of ports* rather
than *Any port* in the Port Type field and typing the
numbers seperated by
commas, eg 1024,1025,1026 etc.

Also block attempts by System or ICMP, Incoming or
Outgoing.

Otherwise the rules it installs with along with those you
make in the same
way as with Zone Alarm, eg allow or deny Windows Media
Player, Outlook
Express etc etc as they try to access the 'net should be
adequate.


Thanks for the feedback, Shane.

NP.

Shane


.

Hello Heather/Shane:

Winmgmt surely is in it. Where 'Smc [Not responding]' is concerned, it is
related to the Sygate Personal Firewall in some way and also has something
to do with Broadband Networking, which I am not involved in.
Will have to keep looking and searching.
BTW I was lucky to get in here without this termination message by OE.
I am working on it, so give me a little time, please.
Good cheer.

Harry.


"Heather" wrote in message
...
Hi Harry.....this is Shane's alter ego (ack!).....that is the box that
Shane
wanted you to get.....now see if Winmgmt is in it.

(Not Responding) means a program has frozen.....no clue what Smc is....but
when my screen freezes, I use CAD and shut down the non-responding item.

Shanette

"webster72n" wrote in message
...

Shane:

As I told Heather already, I got this dialog box using Ctrl+Alt+Del.
There were unfamiliar names listed and one of them as follows:
"Smc [Not responding]".
Have no idea what to make of it, Shane.
What's your take on that?

Harry.


"Shane" wrote in message
...
Firewall, Harry.

Tell me, if you hit Ctrl-Alt-Del, do you see Winmgmt running?


Shane



"webster72n" wrote in message
...

Thank you for the feedback, Shane.
I thought of Kerio as an Antivirus program, but you mention
firewall.
Which is it or does it cover both?
My firewall is Sygate.

Harry.


"Shane" wrote in message
...
Harry,

I quit ZA, other than for occassional testing of new builds, about
3
years
ago now. Every subsequent build I've tested has been at best a
pita
and
I
doubt I'll ever even test it again, let alone run it permanently.
I
used
to
swear by it and now I swear at it.

As for Avast!, I tried their AV and hated it. While their DOS
version
performed poorly in my tests, that is a trivial reason as AVG's
DOS
component did too, and yet I still use AVG in Windows.

Really the reason I hate Avast! is for the interface. I also hate
Marmite.
Others love it.

I would suggest that a cluttered or arcane interface is
counter-productive
in security software, but Avast! enthusiasts don't appear to find
the
interface cluttered or arcane. This suggests to me that this is
rather
a
left- or right- hemisphere kind of an issue, which actually I find
reassuring, variety and black pepper being the spice etc etc.

However, I won't be trying the Avast! firewall - something of
whose
existence I wasn't even aware - so cannot really comment other
than
to
say
that Kerio 2.1.5 strikes me as the pinnacle of software firewall
development, beyond which vendors - including Kerio - are merely
tacking
on
all kinds of unnecessary fluff. iow for all I know Kerio may not
be
better
than Avast! but Kerio 2.1.5 is all you need if you also practice
Safe
Hex.


Shane



"webster72n" wrote in message
...

Shane and KB:

Hope you don't mind me, butting in with a contributing comment
of
my
own.
Hearing these adverse remarks about ZA makes me feel a lot
better
especially
since I had to go without it, even though I paid for it.
It was giving me a heap of trouble.
I opted for Avast instead and am wondering, whether it's less
effective
than
Kerio. Happen to like it a lot (Avast).
Any feedback appreciated.

Harry.


"Shane" wrote in message
...
Ignore the fact it talks of 2.1.4., it's obviously a little
out-of-date.
Kerio 2.1.5 is the same but with a bugfix.


Shane


"Shane" wrote in message
...
Have a look he
http://www.geocities.com/yosponge/firewall.html

I haven't even downloaded the files, let alone tested them,
but
this
is
referred to by a trusted site (cexx.org).


Shane


"KB" wrote in message
...
Maybe it would have been better should I have said "I
understand" rather than "Point Taken". To me it means the
same, although to others it doesn't.

nous? What's that mean?

Great detailed setup instructions, Shane. Thanks a lot.
Are there any other setup 'rules' I should be aware of?
I'd hate to shut off ZA (which has provided good security,
despite the lock ups) to instead install an application
that lets my system get compromised, especially
considering I'm no longer using dial up.

It's reassuring to hear that I'm not the only one who's
had difficulties with ZA on ME. Every time I have a
lockup or problem, shut off ZA is the first course of
action, for me.

I'll let you know how things turn out.

Thanks again!

KB

I do appreciate the feedback.
-----Original Message-----

"KB" wrote in message
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Point taken, Shane. Noel bailed me out nearly a year
ago
so not only do I enjoy his posts but respect his
guidance. It's one of those things.

No point intended bar to reinforce the affirmative I'm
sure you'll get from
Noel.


ZA really fights with a lot of things. I'll give 2.1.5
a
whirl (by itself of course) and see how it works.

I think all us Kerio users here probably began with Zone
Alarm and finally
migrated following it's seemingly endless
incompatibilities with Win ME.
However, Kerio 2.1.5 does require a shade more nous than
ZA for closing
certain ports via custom rules.

For instance, to block port 135:

R-click tray icon, choose Administration/Advanced/New

Set or type the following in the appropriate fields:

Description: eg, Block 135
Protocol: TCP and UDP
Direction: Incoming

(Local Endpoint)
Port Type: Single Port
Application: Any
Port Number: 135

(Remote Endpoint)
Address Type: Any address
Port Type: Any Port

Rule Valid: Always
Action: Deny

Do the same for TCP ports 1024 through 1030, choosing
*List of ports* rather
than *Any port* in the Port Type field and typing the
numbers seperated by
commas, eg 1024,1025,1026 etc.

Also block attempts by System or ICMP, Incoming or
Outgoing.

Otherwise the rules it installs with along with those you
make in the same
way as with Zone Alarm, eg allow or deny Windows Media
Player, Outlook
Express etc etc as they try to access the 'net should be
adequate.


Thanks for the feedback, Shane.

NP.

Shane


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