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A few days ago, could not get Aioe.org to get, nor post, why?
A few days ago, after reading and replying to 1 posting, I could no loger
reply to any posting on the newsgroups through the Aioe access. Kept getting an error message Error 441 BanList, or something At the same time ONLY the Subject lines and originators' names would come in, couldn't read a SINGLE posting, all blank. It felt like being blocked. The newsgroups from eternal-september kept coming in, and I could read each, but not the ones through Aioe. Of course, can't seem to get any posting through eternal-september, but at least could read. Seemed very odd, since I only read down through approx 200-400 postings a day, and barely respond to at most 10 a day so there should be no reason to get blocked. Rebooting and/or over the next few days problem went away. Any ideas why, or better yet what to do if it happens again? |
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A few days ago, could not get Aioe.org to get, nor post, why?
On 08/17/2013 08:51 AM, RobertMacy wrote:
A few days ago, after reading and replying to 1 posting, I could no loger reply to any posting on the newsgroups through the Aioe access. Kept getting an error message Error 441 BanList, or something At the same time ONLY the Subject lines and originators' names would come in, couldn't read a SINGLE posting, all blank. It felt like being blocked. The newsgroups from eternal-september kept coming in, and I could read each, but not the ones through Aioe. Of course, can't seem to get any posting through eternal-september, but at least could read. Seemed very odd, since I only read down through approx 200-400 postings a day, and barely respond to at most 10 a day so there should be no reason to get blocked. Rebooting and/or over the next few days problem went away. Any ideas why, or better yet what to do if it happens again? Some news groups reject aioe to prevent spam I suppose. I mainly use eternal-september |
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A few days ago, could not get Aioe.org to get, nor post, why?
RobertMacy wrote:
... I could no longer reply to any posting on the newsgroups through the Aioe access. Error 441 BanList, or something At the same time ONLY the Subject lines and originators' names would come in, couldn't read a SINGLE posting, all blank. It felt like being blocked. Rebooting and/or over the next few days problem went away. Any ideas why, or better yet what to do if it happens again? A few points: - if you are replying to a post that has been cross-posted to more than 3 groups, AIOE will give you an error until or unless you trim the distribution down to 3 groups. That does not seem to be the issue here. - AIOE has a policy that blocks or prohibits cross-posting between groups with "politics" in the name. It seems that only single-posting is allowed to "political" groups. For example, I don't think you can cross post between "alt.politics.scorched.earth" and any other group, even a group that might seem to be related. For example, I have tried a few times to cross-post between this group (M.P.W98.G_D) and alt.politics.win98 - and the attempt was blocked. - AIOE has a more-or-less "secret" list of banned groups - newsgroups that you can't post to, and that you only discover by attempting to post and get hit with the "banned" error. If you are attempting to post to a single group, then it's obvious which group is banned. If you are attempting to reply to a post that was cross-posted to several groups, then it won't be obvious which one is banned. The reasons why a group is banned is rarely discussed by the admin, and the legitamacy or the strength of the reasons or evidence behind the decision can be questionable. I'm not aware of any groups that are permanently banned - it's more like a groups is banned for an indeterminate time. When it comes to reading posts from the AIOE server, there is no reason or mechanism that I know of that performs any blocking - except that I *believe* that the server doesn't allow for more than 200 connection events from the same IP over a 24 hour period. A combination of how your newsreader works and your news-reading habbits during the day might bring you up against that connection-limit. |
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A few days ago, could not get Aioe.org to get, nor post, why?
On Sat, 17 Aug 2013 08:13:23 -0700, philo* wrote:
...snip... Some news groups reject aioe to prevent spam I suppose. I mainly use eternal-september This was a one time series, or happens other times, may not have noticed, because I don't read a LOT of these postings I'm registered at eternal-september and received this response via e-t, However, I had to go to Aioe, because could never resply, or post, though e-t. says something about may not be set up correctly, Well, duh! So exactly WHAT needs set up, doesn't elaborate. |
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A few days ago, could not get Aioe.org to get, nor post, why?
On Sat, 17 Aug 2013 20:50:08 -0700, 98 Guy wrote:
RobertMacy wrote: ... I could no longer reply to any posting on the newsgroups through the Aioe access. Error 441 BanList, or something At the same time ONLY the Subject lines and originators' names would come in, couldn't read a SINGLE posting, all blank. It felt like being blocked. Rebooting and/or over the next few days problem went away. Any ideas why, or better yet what to do if it happens again? A few points: - if you are replying to a post that has been cross-posted to more than 3 groups, AIOE will give you an error until or unless you trim the distribution down to 3 groups. That does not seem to be the issue here. - AIOE has a policy that blocks or prohibits cross-posting between groups with "politics" in the name. It seems that only single-posting is allowed to "political" groups. For example, I don't think you can cross post between "alt.politics.scorched.earth" and any other group, even a group that might seem to be related. For example, I have tried a few times to cross-post between this group (M.P.W98.G_D) and alt.politics.win98 - and the attempt was blocked. - AIOE has a more-or-less "secret" list of banned groups - newsgroups that you can't post to, and that you only discover by attempting to post and get hit with the "banned" error. If you are attempting to post to a single group, then it's obvious which group is banned. If you are attempting to reply to a post that was cross-posted to several groups, then it won't be obvious which one is banned. The reasons why a group is banned is rarely discussed by the admin, and the legitamacy or the strength of the reasons or evidence behind the decision can be questionable. I'm not aware of any groups that are permanently banned - it's more like a groups is banned for an indeterminate time. When it comes to reading posts from the AIOE server, there is no reason or mechanism that I know of that performs any blocking - except that I *believe* that the server doesn't allow for more than 200 connection events from the same IP over a 24 hour period. A combination of how your newsreader works and your news-reading habbits during the day might bring you up against that connection-limit. Interesting. I didn't check for cross posting, but might have been true, sincee [from memory] it was one of those OT subjects on alt.home.repair I only pay attention to around 3-5 Usenet groups, and only 1 of those goes through Aioe. The others go through e-t, like this group. Since I can read, left the list alone, since I can post through Aioe, just let it go on that way. The ONLY group on Aioe is alt.home.repair, which has enough activity, thank you! Only the postings to that group would not come in that day. All the e-t kept coming in. Opera 'checks' Usenet gorups every 5 minutes, that would be 16.7 hours, don't think on line for that long. Perhaps, as I scan own through postings, each time I 'puase' over a message and the text fills in, that's considered a 'connection. That would explain it. Easily several 100 postings a day on alt.home.repair |
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A few days ago, could not get Aioe.org to get, nor post, why?
RobertMacy, while unnecessarily full-quoting, wrote:
Interesting. I didn't check for cross posting, but might have been true, since [from memory] it was one of those OT subjects on alt.home.repair Cross-posting a reply to more than 3 groups shouldn't result in the "banned" error. I only pay attention to around 3-5 Usenet groups, and only 1 of those goes through Aioe. The others go through e-t, like this group. Since I can read, left the list alone, since I can post through Aioe, just let it go on that way. (cut the rest of your post) I really don't understand what you're trying to explain or describe here. Are you trying to say that ES carries some groups that AIOE does not - and hence you need to use both servers? Opera 'checks' Usenet gorups every 5 minutes, that would be 16.7 hours, don't think on line for that long. You should not be treating usenet the same way you treat e-mail. Email requires constant checking to see if you have mail, and mail servers are set up for this. I have NEVER EVER heard of anyone having a usenet client check for new posts on a timed schedule the same way an email client checks for new mail. That is absolutely crazy. Again, I've told you about clients such as Netscape Communicator, but you are so dense that you apparently don't try software that works AND WORKS WELL WITHOUT GIVING YOU THESE ODDBALL PROBLEMS. Stop using Opera for reading usenet and use a proper client. Or continue to suffer because of your stubbornness. |
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A few days ago, could not get Aioe.org to get, nor post, why?
In message , 98 Guy writes:
RobertMacy, while unnecessarily full-quoting, wrote: [] Opera 'checks' Usenet gorups every 5 minutes, that would be 16.7 hours, don't think on line for that long. You should not be treating usenet the same way you treat e-mail. Email requires constant checking to see if you have mail, and mail servers are set up for this. I have NEVER EVER heard of anyone having a usenet client check for new posts on a timed schedule the same way an email client checks for new mail. That is absolutely crazy. So how do _you_ get usenet posts? Again, I've told you about clients such as Netscape Communicator, but you are so dense that you apparently don't try software that works AND WORKS WELL WITHOUT GIVING YOU THESE ODDBALL PROBLEMS. Stop using Opera for reading usenet and use a proper client. Or continue to suffer because of your stubbornness. (I think I'll count down from 10.) -- J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf .... would have me up before Lord Justice Leveson before you could say "I simply can't recall". - Eddie Mair, Radio Times 14-20 July 2012 |
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A few days ago, could not get Aioe.org to get, nor post, why?
On Sun, 18 Aug 2013 06:57:04 -0700, J. P. Gilliver (John)
wrote: In message , 98 Guy writes: RobertMacy, while unnecessarily full-quoting, wrote: [] Opera 'checks' Usenet gorups every 5 minutes, that would be 16.7 hours, don't think on line for that long. You should not be treating usenet the same way you treat e-mail. Email requires constant checking to see if you have mail, and mail servers are set up for this. I have NEVER EVER heard of anyone having a usenet client check for new posts on a timed schedule the same way an email client checks for new mail. That is absolutely crazy. So how do _you_ get usenet posts? After around 5 minutes of starting Opera, a small note at the bottom of the screen says something like 237 emails have arrived from eternal-september, or AIOE. Then at anytime, I can select MAIL along top bar and all the postings appear as Names with Subject Dates, etc Lines with the list in blue font. If I select any 'email' it's marked as 'read' and changes to a black font entry with the posting appearing on bottom half of screen. Most of these postings I completely ignore and simply delete by either sitting on each entry and hitting delete, or highlighting from top to bottom [much faster] with the shift key select and THEN hit delete, they all disappear. I can also select thread and postings are shown, not chronologically, but as an indented thread set showing name subject date etc. Asking for THREAD view brings back the 'deleted' postings for continuity. All in all pretty intuitive and easy to go through. After that, any new postings, [if Opera is running] I receive a small note, bottom of screen so if it is one of the threads I'm interested in, I simply go read 'mail', or continue on with what I'm doing and ignore. I do NOT use Opera for regular email. I use our ISP's specially provided email program for regular emails. Since I have selected that ONLY text come through, using their service there's NO way to get attacked with malware. It's their problem. and they have storage and organization and etc... Again, I've told you about clients such as Netscape Communicator, but you are so dense that you apparently don't try software that works AND WORKS WELL WITHOUT GIVING YOU THESE ODDBALL PROBLEMS. Stop using Opera for reading usenet and use a proper client. Or continue to suffer because of your stubbornness. (I think I'll count down from 10.) 98 Guy, don't mistake stubbornness for denseness. I've had such bad experiences with Netscape, 'forgot its name', Internet Explorer and the other MS product, and now had BIG problem with Google Chrome had to delete from the WinXP [spit, spit, curse begone!]; I don't care to use them. What I meant by e-s has list and Aoie has list is that I started with e-s and subscribed to almost all of the groups I wanted, then when couldn't post and added Aioe with the additional single group; all went well so simply stopped changing things. Works, who cares now, right? So what if e-s provides a large chunk and Aoie provides equally large chunk in a single group; since I can reply to either by selecting Aioe. like I'm doing now. So, there you have the picture, perhaps going down a myriad of postings one by one 'appeared' to Aioe as 200 'visits' or whatever they call it, so they turned things off for that one day. |
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A few days ago, could not get Aioe.org to get, nor post, why?
"J. P. Gilliver (John)" wrote:
I have NEVER EVER heard of anyone having a usenet client check for new posts on a timed schedule the same way an email client checks for new mail. That is absolutely crazy. So how do _you_ get usenet posts? When I'm in the mood to read (or post to) usenet, I fire up Netscape communicator, which is one click away on my taskbar. That's if Communicator is not already running (but minimized). I have about 2-dozen different NNTP server's configured in Communicator. They're listed in the left-pane, under the "Inbox/Drafts/Templates/Sent/Trash" selections that are part of the e-mail section. I really don't use Communictor for email for about 5 years on this computer, so those are just legacy bits hanging around. The Sent folder, however, is where any usenet post that I make gets archived (just as it would for e-mail). AIOE is one of the listed NNTP servers. I open it by clicking the "+" beside it (expanding the tree-view). All the newsgroups that I've subscribed to for AIOE are then listed under it, and Communicator begins the process of checking for the current message-count in each group and comparing it to the last/previous count, and if they're different, that indicates there are new messages in those groups and the number of new messages is printed beside each group. At this point, Communicator doesn't actually go out and get any message headers for any groups. Now, if I notice that one of the groups actually has new messages, I will click on that group (in the left-pane) and a list of the most recent posts is displayed in the top-pane on the right side. They can be displayed in a linear list (according to time-stamp) or sorted by Subject, Author, or tree-view (by subject) depending on the settings I last used for that group. New posts have their subject-lines indicted by bold-print. I click on any given post in the top pane, and the post is displayed in the lower pane. It's a lot like reading e-mail. If I click to a new group, all posts in the current group are treated as "old" even if I haven't viewed all of the new posts. If I click between groups, the new-message-count is updated when I return to the previous group. If I "roll-up" the NNTP server that I currently have open, and then expand it again, the new-message-count is updated for each group. Unlike the SMTP (email) setting for the time interval to check for new mail, Communicator has no such setting for the NNTP (usenet) server - and rightly so in my opinion. Because for usenet, you can pretty much garantee that if you follow a dozen or so groups, not more than a minute or two will go by before one of them will have a new post, so there's no real point of checking for new posts on a timed basis - especially if you leave your news-reader client open and walk away from your computer. So I can see how anyone using a news client that performs scheduled polling of the NNTP server for new messages could end up breaking one of the rules on the AIOE server limiting how many sessions any given IP can have during a 24-hour period. I realize that now because I didn't know that there are usenet clients that perform scheduled polling for new messages (because, as I explained above, I don't see a valid use-case for such a "feature"). |
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A few days ago, could not get Aioe.org to get, nor post, why?
In message , 98 Guy writes:
"J. P. Gilliver (John)" wrote: I have NEVER EVER heard of anyone having a usenet client check for new posts on a timed schedule the same way an email client checks for new mail. That is absolutely crazy. No, it's how a lot of people do it (and a feature of many news clients). You _may_ have highlighted a reason not to do it with _some_ news servers. So how do _you_ get usenet posts? [] AIOE is one of the listed NNTP servers. I open it by clicking the "+" beside it (expanding the tree-view). All the newsgroups that I've subscribed to for AIOE are then listed under it, and Communicator begins the process of checking for the current message-count in each group and comparing it to the last/previous count, and if they're different, that indicates there are new messages in those groups and the number of new messages is printed beside each group. At this point, Communicator doesn't actually go out and get any message headers for any groups. (Do you mean it doesn't get message _bodies_? Surely in order to check "the current message-count" it needs headers. Or are you going on some sort of serial number that the server puts on each message?) Now, if I notice that one of the groups actually has new messages, I will click on that group (in the left-pane) and a list of the most recent posts is displayed in the top-pane on the right side. They can be displayed in a linear list (according to time-stamp) or sorted by Subject, Author, or tree-view (by subject) depending on the settings I last used for that group. New posts have their subject-lines indicted by bold-print. All that is fairly standard for newsreaders. (I think most people use a threaded view - not _quite_ by subject, as you _can_ have two or more threads with the same subject.) I click on any given post in the top pane, and the post is displayed in the lower pane. It's a lot like reading e-mail. (Obviously at some point your news client has downloaded the bodies of the posts as well as the headers - or maybe it's doing so as you get to them.) What you describe is fairly normal for newsreaders, too. (_I_ used to use Netscape for news too, at work, many years ago; from what I remember it was a good news client.) If I click to a new group, all posts in the current group are treated as "old" even if I haven't viewed all of the new posts. If I click between (That would drive me nuts, but each to his own. It might even be an optional setting.) groups, the new-message-count is updated when I return to the previous group. If I "roll-up" the NNTP server that I currently have open, and then expand it again, the new-message-count is updated for each group. So, basically, _you_ trigger a fetch of new posts (or at least a new count), by - in one of at least two ways - going out of and then coming back in to a 'group. Unlike the SMTP (email) setting for the time interval to check for new mail, Communicator has no such setting for the NNTP (usenet) server - and rightly so in my opinion. Because for usenet, you can pretty much garantee that if you follow a dozen or so groups, not more than a minute or two will go by before one of them will have a new post, so there's no real point of checking for new posts on a timed basis - especially if you leave your news-reader client open and walk away from your computer. That is your opinion, to which you're entitled. Others might prefer, if they leave their newsreader open - looking at a newsgroup - and walk away, for it to show any new posts that have arrived in that 'group by the time they come back, without them having to do anything. Again, each to his own. So I can see how anyone using a news client that performs scheduled polling of the NNTP server for new messages could end up breaking one of the rules on the AIOE server limiting how many sessions any given IP can have during a 24-hour period. I realize that now because I didn't know Of course, we're making assumptions about what constitutes a "session" here; unless someone quotes something unambiguous from the AIOE Ts and Cs (if it is even clarified there), we won't know one way or another. that there are usenet clients that perform scheduled polling for new I didn't know there were news servers that limit by number of sessions; I'd heard of limits on number of _posts_, and on total _size_ of posts. You live and learn! messages (because, as I explained above, I don't see a valid use-case for such a "feature"). Well, I've given one; I now know there are at least three of us still here, so maybe ... (-: -- J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf There's nothing wrong with looking at cake. - Sarah Millican, Radio Times 10-16 December 2011 |
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