Windows Live - no more Outlook Express

Just received notice that there is a new client needed soon to access
Hotmail and Live accounts, which apparently only supports XP and Vista.
The reason: Microsoft has created another proprietary protocol DeltaSynch
to replace its previous proprietary protocol DAV.
Someone tell me why users should install ANOTHER Microsoft problematic
creation?

Another brilliantly stupid idea from Microsoft. So what do others think
about this...

--
MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
--
_________

That the last time I used a Hotmail account was ten years ago. Recommend DO
NOT use Hotmail or Live.

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS-MVP Shell/User
www.grystmill.com

"MEB" meb@not wrote in message
...

Just received notice that there is a new client needed soon to access
Hotmail and Live accounts, which apparently only supports XP and Vista.
The reason: Microsoft has created another proprietary protocol DeltaSynch
to replace its previous proprietary protocol DAV.
Someone tell me why users should install ANOTHER Microsoft problematic
creation?

Another brilliantly stupid idea from Microsoft. So what do others think
about this...

--
MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
--
_________

cf.
http://groups.google.com/group/micro...b191d2ef1c9614

No, Windows Live Mail is NOT supported in Win9x.
--
~PA Bear

MEB wrote:
Just received notice that there is a new client needed soon to access
Hotmail and Live accounts, which apparently only supports XP and Vista.
The reason: Microsoft has created another proprietary protocol DeltaSynch
to replace its previous proprietary protocol DAV.
Someone tell me why users should install ANOTHER Microsoft problematic
creation?

Another brilliantly stupid idea from Microsoft. So what do others think
about this...

Same here, just about coincident with the time it was
purchased by MS and started to require java, every
cookie and script in the book to access and use the site.


"Gary S. Terhune" none wrote in message
...
That the last time I used a Hotmail account was ten years ago. Recommend
DO
NOT use Hotmail or Live.

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS-MVP Shell/User
www.grystmill.com

"MEB" meb@not wrote in message
...

Just received notice that there is a new client needed soon to access
Hotmail and Live accounts, which apparently only supports XP and Vista.
The reason: Microsoft has created another proprietary protocol
DeltaSynch
to replace its previous proprietary protocol DAV.
Someone tell me why users should install ANOTHER Microsoft problematic
creation?

Another brilliantly stupid idea from Microsoft. So what do others think
about this...

--
MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
--
_________

"PA Bear [MS MVP]" wrote in message
...
| cf.
|
http://groups.google.com/group/micro...b191d2ef1c9614
|
| No, Windows Live Mail is NOT supported in Win9x.
| --
| ~PA Bear

Okay, we discussed a year or so ago the Live Mail issue.

So perhaps it might be advisable to include HERE some of the purported
information pulled from the threads PA referenced.

---------
Hello All,

I wanted to take some time to address the concerns/questions that have
started on this thread.


Microsoft is doing this to force people onto the client: False. We are
doing this because the DAV protocol is inefficient on larger mailbox sizes.
Once Hotmail upgrade storage space synchronization issues happen within DAV.
DeltaSynch is a stable protocol that will be able to efficiently handle
large
accounts.


This locks people into a Microsoft client to access Hotmail: False. Hotmail
customers are able to utilize POP3, or as mentioned below, other clients
such
as Thunderbird. Though Live Mail is optimized for usage against Hotmail, it
is not the single choice for connection. You will also be able to continue
full access through your browser.


Does this affect Live Hotmail and Outlook Connector - Yes. Any user
utilizing Outlook connector 1.8 or earlier will need to upgrade to the new
OLC. Live Mail is currently DeltaSynch ready and Live Hotmail is available
through your browser.


-----
Scott Hammer
Sr. Supportability Program Manager
Windows Live Mail Technologies
Microsoft Corporation

------- end post

Subject: ANN: MS Announces Changes for Accessing Hotmail with Outlook
Expre
To correct myself...

Hotmail customers are able to utilize POP3, or as mentioned below, other
clients such as Thunderbird.


I meant Hotmail PLUS customers are able to utilize POP3 as they currently
do...


---
Scott Hammer
Sr. Support Program Manager
Windows Live Mail Technologies
Microsoft Corporation
----

So PA how do I pull all the legal documents, court notices, and other
contained upon and within my specifically created hotmail/live, registered
with the government account, WITHOUT the materials being destroyed in the
process?


|
| MEB wrote:
| Just received notice that there is a new client needed soon to access
| Hotmail and Live accounts, which apparently only supports XP and Vista.
| The reason: Microsoft has created another proprietary protocol
DeltaSynch
| to replace its previous proprietary protocol DAV.
| Someone tell me why users should install ANOTHER Microsoft problematic
| creation?
|
| Another brilliantly stupid idea from Microsoft. So what do others think
| about this...
|

--
MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
--
_________

What I know is that I've been using Hotmail and accessing it via Outlook
Express for over a decade now. I seldom ever use any web based email account
via the browser except for accounts setup specifically to give a valid email
account when registering at a site etc. (gmail etc.) as I never give out my
actual ISP email address (and hence get basically no spam in it).

What is nice about OE interface is that I get a local copy on my pc of the
email. That means I can easily move it into another folder and eventually it
gets saved to cd during periodic backup. Now I'll be "forced" to basically
forward Hotmail email to my isp email account for saving. That's better
way!!!???

My own take on things is that MS eventually wants all their software to be
"downloaded as required" with as little as possible kept on local pc. Well
have some "stub" for (as example) Word and when we go to start it the actual
software will be downloaded as needed so we can be billed for it's use every
time that happens.

This Live crap is the harbinger of that design, e.g. get people used to it
first, slowly creep it into mindset etc.


"MEB" meb@not wrote in message
...

Just received notice that there is a new client needed soon to access
Hotmail and Live accounts, which apparently only supports XP and Vista.
The reason: Microsoft has created another proprietary protocol DeltaSynch
to replace its previous proprietary protocol DAV.
Someone tell me why users should install ANOTHER Microsoft problematic
creation?

Another brilliantly stupid idea from Microsoft. So what do others think
about this...

--
MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
--
_________

PS: If you're a Windows Live Hotmail Plus subscriber *and* access your
Hotmail account in OE via POP3, this policy change will NOT affect you.
--
~PA Bear

PA Bear [MS MVP] wrote:
cf.
http://groups.google.com/group/micro...b191d2ef1c9614

No, Windows Live Mail is NOT supported in Win9x.

MEB wrote:
Just received notice that there is a new client needed soon to access
Hotmail and Live accounts, which apparently only supports XP and Vista.
The reason: Microsoft has created another proprietary protocol DeltaSynch
to replace its previous proprietary protocol DAV.
Someone tell me why users should install ANOTHER Microsoft problematic
creation?

Another brilliantly stupid idea from Microsoft. So what do others think
about this...

[Crossposted to the little-trafficked Internet Mail (which is supposedly
being monitored by the Windows Live Mail team now) and Win98.OE newsgroups
for widest exposure.]

So PA how do I pull all the legal documents, court notices, and other
contained upon and within my specifically created hotmail/live, registered
with the government account, WITHOUT the materials being destroyed in the
process?

Actually, Win9x users have a few choices he

1. You'll still be able to access your email archive via the webmail page
after 30 June 2008. IOW your data won't be deleted there (unless the
account hasn't been accessed for XX days).

2a. You can Copy or Move all Hotmail messages to one or more local OE
folders for archiving prior to 30 June 2008. [Do NOT use the OE local
folders Inbox, Sent Items, or Deleted Items folders for archiving ANYTHING!]

2b. OE Tools | Accounts | Mail | [Hotmail] | Properties | General | Include
this account when sending or synchronizing

If you disable the above option /prior to 30 June 2008/, OE will not attempt
to sync with the WebDAV server again; therefore your Hotmail messages and
folders in OE won't/can't be deleted by the (non-existant) server. eg

NB: If you attempt to send a message using your Hotmail account or poll the
account for new messages, OE *will* attempt to synchronize with the
(non-existant) WebDAV server and all your data *will* be deleted from OE!

3. Prior to 30 June 2008:

a. subscribe to Windows Live Hotmail Plus (US$19.95/year; not available
in all countries); *and*

b. make sure you're accessing the Hotmail account in OE via POP3 (cf.
http://liveunplugged.spaces.live.com...0CA!171.entry).

===============

Windows Live Hotmail Support & FAQ
https://support.live.com/eform.aspx?...ail&ct=eformts
--
~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)
MS MVP-IE, Mail, Security, Windows Desktop Experience - since 2002
AumHa VSOP & Admin http://aumha.net
DTS-L http://dts-l.net/


MEB wrote:
PA Bear wrote:
cf.
http://groups.google.com/group/micro...b191d2ef1c9614

No, Windows Live Mail is NOT supported in Win9x.

Okay, we discussed a year or so ago the Live Mail issue.

So perhaps it might be advisable to include HERE some of the purported
information pulled from the threads PA referenced.
snip

cf.
http://groups.google.com/group/micro...fd442cf4ac054e

cf.
http://groups.google.com/group/micro...4a99b1322267f3

/snip
So PA how do I pull all the legal documents, court notices, and other
contained upon and within my specifically created hotmail/live, registered
with the government account, WITHOUT the materials being destroyed in the
process?

MEB wrote:
Just received notice that there is a new client needed soon to access
Hotmail and Live accounts, which apparently only supports XP and Vista.
The reason: Microsoft has created another proprietary protocol
DeltaSynch
to replace its previous proprietary protocol DAV.
Someone tell me why users should install ANOTHER Microsoft problematic
creation?

Another brilliantly stupid idea from Microsoft. So what do others think
about this...

PA is correct. There is also a migration that will happen when you install
WLM from Oe that should take care of this as well.

-s

--
Scott Hammer
Sr. Support Program Manager
Windows Live Mail Technologies
Microsoft Corporation
"PA Bear [MS MVP]" wrote in message
...
[Crossposted to the little-trafficked Internet Mail (which is supposedly
being monitored by the Windows Live Mail team now) and Win98.OE newsgroups
for widest exposure.]

So PA how do I pull all the legal documents, court notices, and other
contained upon and within my specifically created hotmail/live,
registered
with the government account, WITHOUT the materials being destroyed in the
process?

Actually, Win9x users have a few choices he

1. You'll still be able to access your email archive via the webmail page
after 30 June 2008. IOW your data won't be deleted there (unless the
account hasn't been accessed for XX days).

2a. You can Copy or Move all Hotmail messages to one or more local OE
folders for archiving prior to 30 June 2008. [Do NOT use the OE local
folders Inbox, Sent Items, or Deleted Items folders for archiving
ANYTHING!]

2b. OE Tools | Accounts | Mail | [Hotmail] | Properties | General |
Include this account when sending or synchronizing

If you disable the above option /prior to 30 June 2008/, OE will not
attempt to sync with the WebDAV server again; therefore your Hotmail
messages and folders in OE won't/can't be deleted by the (non-existant)
server. eg

NB: If you attempt to send a message using your Hotmail account or poll
the account for new messages, OE *will* attempt to synchronize with the
(non-existant) WebDAV server and all your data *will* be deleted from OE!

3. Prior to 30 June 2008:

a. subscribe to Windows Live Hotmail Plus (US$19.95/year; not available
in all countries); *and*

b. make sure you're accessing the Hotmail account in OE via POP3 (cf.
http://liveunplugged.spaces.live.com...0CA!171.entry).

===============

Windows Live Hotmail Support & FAQ
https://support.live.com/eform.aspx?...ail&ct=eformts
--
~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)
MS MVP-IE, Mail, Security, Windows Desktop Experience - since 2002
AumHa VSOP & Admin http://aumha.net
DTS-L http://dts-l.net/


MEB wrote:
PA Bear wrote:
cf.
http://groups.google.com/group/micro...b191d2ef1c9614

No, Windows Live Mail is NOT supported in Win9x.

Okay, we discussed a year or so ago the Live Mail issue.

So perhaps it might be advisable to include HERE some of the purported
information pulled from the threads PA referenced.
snip

cf.
http://groups.google.com/group/micro...fd442cf4ac054e

cf.
http://groups.google.com/group/micro...4a99b1322267f3

/snip
So PA how do I pull all the legal documents, court notices, and other
contained upon and within my specifically created hotmail/live,
registered
with the government account, WITHOUT the materials being destroyed in the
process?

MEB wrote:
Just received notice that there is a new client needed soon to access
Hotmail and Live accounts, which apparently only supports XP and Vista.
The reason: Microsoft has created another proprietary protocol
DeltaSynch
to replace its previous proprietary protocol DAV.
Someone tell me why users should install ANOTHER Microsoft problematic
creation?

Another brilliantly stupid idea from Microsoft. So what do others think
about this...

Continuing the crosspost to microsoft.public.internet.mail,
microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion, and
microsoft.public.win98.internet.outlookexpress newsgroups.

NB: This thread originated in microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion
newsgroup and is a Win9x-specific discussion

Windows Live Mail is not supported in Win9x.
--
~PA Bear

Windows Live Mail Technologies Support wrote:
PA is correct. There is also a migration that will happen when you
install
WLM from Oe that should take care of this as well.

-s

[Crossposted to the little-trafficked Internet Mail (which is supposedly
being monitored by the Windows Live Mail team now) and Win98.OE
newsgroups
for widest exposure.]

So PA how do I pull all the legal documents, court notices, and other
contained upon and within my specifically created hotmail/live,
registered
with the government account, WITHOUT the materials being destroyed in
the
process?

Actually, Win9x users have a few choices he

1. You'll still be able to access your email archive via the webmail page
after 30 June 2008. IOW your data won't be deleted there (unless the
account hasn't been accessed for XX days).

2a. You can Copy or Move all Hotmail messages to one or more local OE
folders for archiving prior to 30 June 2008. [Do NOT use the OE local
folders Inbox, Sent Items, or Deleted Items folders for archiving
ANYTHING!]

2b. OE Tools | Accounts | Mail | [Hotmail] | Properties | General |
Include this account when sending or synchronizing

If you disable the above option /prior to 30 June 2008/, OE will not
attempt to sync with the WebDAV server again; therefore your Hotmail
messages and folders in OE won't/can't be deleted by the (non-existant)
server. eg

NB: If you attempt to send a message using your Hotmail account or poll
the account for new messages, OE *will* attempt to synchronize with the
(non-existant) WebDAV server and all your data *will* be deleted from OE!

3. Prior to 30 June 2008:

a. subscribe to Windows Live Hotmail Plus (US$19.95/year; not
available
in all countries); *and*

b. make sure you're accessing the Hotmail account in OE via POP3 (cf.
http://liveunplugged.spaces.live.com...0CA!171.entry).

===============

Windows Live Hotmail Support & FAQ
https://support.live.com/eform.aspx?...ail&ct=eformts
--
~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)
MS MVP-IE, Mail, Security, Windows Desktop Experience - since 2002
AumHa VSOP & Admin http://aumha.net
DTS-L http://dts-l.net/


MEB wrote:
PA Bear wrote:
cf.
http://groups.google.com/group/micro...b191d2ef1c9614

No, Windows Live Mail is NOT supported in Win9x.

Okay, we discussed a year or so ago the Live Mail issue.

So perhaps it might be advisable to include HERE some of the purported
information pulled from the threads PA referenced.
snip

cf.
http://groups.google.com/group/micro...fd442cf4ac054e

cf.
http://groups.google.com/group/micro...4a99b1322267f3

/snip
So PA how do I pull all the legal documents, court notices, and other
contained upon and within my specifically created hotmail/live,
registered
with the government account, WITHOUT the materials being destroyed in
the
process?

MEB wrote:
Just received notice that there is a new client needed soon to access
Hotmail and Live accounts, which apparently only supports XP and
Vista.
The reason: Microsoft has created another proprietary protocol
DeltaSynch
to replace its previous proprietary protocol DAV.
Someone tell me why users should install ANOTHER Microsoft problematic
creation?

Another brilliantly stupid idea from Microsoft. So what do others
think
about this...