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Old June 2nd 07, 02:33 PM posted to microsoft.public.win98.apps,comp.sys.ibm.pc.soundcard.misc,microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion
98 Guy
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Default Where can I find the help I need ? Can you help ?

Note that I cut 2 of the original 5 newsgroups from this reply.
Hopefully the OP will be reading one of the remaining 3 groups.

wrote:

I started a "computer recycling project" in my church.

Essentially what I am looking for is a utility that can "scan"
all the pci cards, be it soundcard, video card, or whatever,
and give me their make and/or model number.


http://www.zhangduo.com/unknowndeviceidentifier.html

http://www.windrivers.com/

http://www.drivermagician.com/

http://www.softwarepatch.com/

http://freescan.driverguide.com/

http://driveragent.com/

http://tinyurl.com/3ygotp

Another thing is that the computers we got are all ANCIENT
computers, and sometimes so ancient that the manufacturers
no longer exist.


The only versions of Windows you should be installing on those system
will either be Windows-98se, or Windows XP-SP2. Windows 98-se is a
more logical choice in your case, since you most likely are dealing
with systems with slow/old CPU's and meager amounts of RAM, not to
mention that you would need to obtain a licence for XP (but you can
install Windows-98se with complete impunity regardless of what others
here think of that).

That said, Windows 98 should be relatively complete as far as having
drivers for motherboards and hardware that was available back in 1998
and probably as far back as 1995. Anything more recent than 1998
should be available on the net (motherboard, video, network cards,
modems, etc).

I wouldn't waste my time in your case trying to find drivers for sound
cards, SCSI or other "non-standard" storage devices, or video cards
made before 1998. Most likely the recipients of your computers will
not make use of devices like those.

You, and the recipients of the systems you are building, will probably
not be satisfied with the use of such old hardware, say anything with
less than a Pentium-II CPU. The computing experience will be
troublesome and frustrating and not worth the effort. You shouldn't
have a problem finding tons of relatively recent hardware - unless
there are other larger recyclers in your area that are obtaining more
modern surplus hardware to either build into systems - or to ship
overseas and melt them down for their base metals.
  #2  
Old June 2nd 07, 11:07 PM posted to microsoft.public.win98.apps,comp.sys.ibm.pc.soundcard.misc,microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion
glee
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Default Where can I find the help I need ? Can you help ?

"98 Guy" wrote in message ...
Note that I cut 2 of the original 5 newsgroups from this reply.
Hopefully the OP will be reading one of the remaining 3 groups.

wrote:

I started a "computer recycling project" in my church.

Essentially what I am looking for is a utility that can "scan"
all the pci cards, be it soundcard, video card, or whatever,
and give me their make and/or model number.


http://www.zhangduo.com/unknowndeviceidentifier.html



Another quite similar utility, that I have used for some time, is "Unknown Devices
1.2", available he
http://www.halfdone.org/ukd/
and
http://www.speakeasy.org/~halfdone/
and
http://www.majorgeeks.com/Unknown_Devices_d3908.html



http://www.windrivers.com/

http://www.drivermagician.com/

http://www.softwarepatch.com/

http://freescan.driverguide.com/

http://driveragent.com/

http://tinyurl.com/3ygotp

Another thing is that the computers we got are all ANCIENT
computers, and sometimes so ancient that the manufacturers
no longer exist.


The only versions of Windows you should be installing on those system
will either be Windows-98se, or Windows XP-SP2. Windows 98-se is a
more logical choice in your case, since you most likely are dealing
with systems with slow/old CPU's and meager amounts of RAM, not to
mention that you would need to obtain a licence for XP (but you can
install Windows-98se with complete impunity regardless of what others
here think of that).



Win98SE does not require activation the way XP and newer do, but installing multiple
systems with one license *is* a violation of the licensing agreement. True, no one
at MS is going to send out the "cyber-police" at this point in time.....indeed, MS
has no way to even tell if 98 has been installed on multiple machines with one
license. Being a church-related project, the OP may want to consider the legal
aspect. Nuff said on that.....


That said, Windows 98 should be relatively complete as far as having
drivers for motherboards and hardware that was available back in 1998
and probably as far back as 1995. Anything more recent than 1998
should be available on the net (motherboard, video, network cards,
modems, etc).

I wouldn't waste my time in your case trying to find drivers for sound
cards, SCSI or other "non-standard" storage devices, or video cards
made before 1998. Most likely the recipients of your computers will
not make use of devices like those.


I would think a working sound card from any era would be an item the endusers would
want.


You, and the recipients of the systems you are building, will probably
not be satisfied with the use of such old hardware, say anything with
less than a Pentium-II CPU. The computing experience will be
troublesome and frustrating and not worth the effort. You shouldn't
have a problem finding tons of relatively recent hardware - unless
there are other larger recyclers in your area that are obtaining more
modern surplus hardware to either build into systems - or to ship
overseas and melt them down for their base metals.

--
Glen Ventura, MS MVP Shell/User, A+
http://dts-l.org/
http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm

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Old June 3rd 07, 03:27 AM posted to microsoft.public.win98.apps,comp.sys.ibm.pc.soundcard.misc,microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion
98 Guy
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Default Where can I find the help I need ? Can you help ?

glee wrote:

(but you can install Windows-98se with complete impunity
regardless of what others here think of that).


but installing multiple systems with one license *is* a
violation of the licensing agreement. True, no one at MS
is going to send out the "cyber-police" at this point in time...


He actually has no choice.

He can't buy 98 from MS, and he can't really buy XP anymore either -
not retail anyways. Given the vintage of his hardware, Vista is not
an option either.

We can argue the legality, or the morals, or the practicality of
installing system after system after system with the same win-98
license key until the cows come home, but it's Micro$haft that has
made it impossible for people like the OP to obtain a "legit"
solution, so I say screw MS - they deserve it.

I would think a working sound card from any era would be an
item the endusers would want.


I don't know exactly what device the OP is getting his hands on where
he can't find a driver, but soundcards are a likely guess. I don't
know how long I'd putz with a system where I could get everything else
working except the sound card - but not long.
  #4  
Old June 9th 07, 06:12 AM posted to microsoft.public.win98.apps,comp.sys.ibm.pc.soundcard.misc,microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion
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Default Where can I find the help I need ? Can you help ?

On Jun 2, 9:33 pm, 98 Guy wrote:
Note that I cut 2 of the original 5 newsgroups from this reply.
Hopefully the OP will be reading one of the remaining 3 groups.

wrote:
I started a "computer recycling project" in my church.


Essentially what I am looking for is a utility that can "scan"
all the pci cards, be it soundcard, video card, or whatever,
and give me their make and/or model number.


http://www.zhangduo.com/unknowndeviceidentifier.html

http://www.windrivers.com/

http://www.drivermagician.com/

http://www.softwarepatch.com/

http://freescan.driverguide.com/

http://driveragent.com/

http://tinyurl.com/3ygotp

Another thing is that the computers we got are all ANCIENT
computers, and sometimes so ancient that the manufacturers
no longer exist.


The only versions of Windows you should be installing on those system
will either be Windows-98se, or Windows XP-SP2. Windows 98-se is a
more logical choice in your case, since you most likely are dealing
with systems with slow/old CPU's and meager amounts of RAM, not to
mention that you would need to obtain a licence for XP (but you can
install Windows-98se with complete impunity regardless of what others
here think of that).

That said, Windows 98 should be relatively complete as far as having
drivers for motherboards and hardware that was available back in 1998
and probably as far back as 1995. Anything more recent than 1998
should be available on the net (motherboard, video, network cards,
modems, etc).

I wouldn't waste my time in your case trying to find drivers for sound
cards, SCSI or other "non-standard" storage devices, or video cards
made before 1998. Most likely the recipients of your computers will
not make use of devices like those.

You, and the recipients of the systems you are building, will probably
not be satisfied with the use of such old hardware, say anything with
less than a Pentium-II CPU. The computing experience will be
troublesome and frustrating and not worth the effort. You shouldn't
have a problem finding tons of relatively recent hardware - unless
there are other larger recyclers in your area that are obtaining more
modern surplus hardware to either build into systems - or to ship
overseas and melt them down for their base metals.




Thank you for your reply, and also your pointer. I'm located in a 3rd
(4th??) world country, where about half of the peole don't earn enough
money to buy new computers for their kids, and another half of the
populace are so rich that they literary throw away Pentium 3/4
machines just because they recently purchase their new Core 2 Duo
machine.

The church that I go to don't have lots of super-rich people, but they
do upgrade their computers from time to time. That's why I get their
P1, P2 machines and try to make something out of them.

The people that I send the re-conditioned machines to are urban-poors,
most from broken families, and stay in drug/crime infested area. Most
of the children there are really keen in learning new things, it's
just that they live in areas where they don't get much help from
anywhere.

Even the re-conditioned P1 / P2 machines did make a difference to
some. At least they can try to learn the English language, learn some
programming stuffs (I do install some programming tools in some of the
machine), and so on.

That's why I say that the task is huge but the payback is really
fulfilling. Whenever I see the faces of those children, turning from
gloom to one fills with hope and joy, no money in the world can buy
that, I tell ya !

This is a one man show, for now. I use my free time to fix up the
computers, use my beat-up old car to deliver them, but it's worth it.

Anyway, thanks again for everything, and God Bless !

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Old June 9th 07, 06:19 AM posted to microsoft.public.win98.apps,comp.sys.ibm.pc.soundcard.misc,microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion
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On Jun 3, 6:07 am, "glee" wrote:
"98 Guy" wrote in ...
Note that I cut 2 of the original 5 newsgroups from this reply.
Hopefully the OP will be reading one of the remaining 3 groups.


wrote:


I started a "computer recycling project" in my church.


Essentially what I am looking for is a utility that can "scan"
all the pci cards, be it soundcard, video card, or whatever,
and give me their make and/or model number.


http://www.zhangduo.com/unknowndeviceidentifier.html


Another quite similar utility, that I have used for some time, is "Unknown Devices
1.2", available hehttp://www.halfdone.org/ukd/
andhttp://www.speakeasy.org/~halfdone/
andhttp://www.majorgeeks.com/Unknown_Devices_d3908.html





http://www.windrivers.com/


http://www.drivermagician.com/


http://www.softwarepatch.com/


http://freescan.driverguide.com/


http://driveragent.com/


http://tinyurl.com/3ygotp


Another thing is that the computers we got are all ANCIENT
computers, and sometimes so ancient that the manufacturers
no longer exist.


The only versions of Windows you should be installing on those system
will either be Windows-98se, or Windows XP-SP2. Windows 98-se is a
more logical choice in your case, since you most likely are dealing
with systems with slow/old CPU's and meager amounts of RAM, not to
mention that you would need to obtain a licence for XP (but you can
install Windows-98se with complete impunity regardless of what others
here think of that).


I am certainly aware of the issue you've pointed out, but in my case,
I tried Linux, but the missing driver problem got only worse. It's not
that I want to violate Microsoft's right, but the reality in this
world is that if you got a card that has no label on it, and if you
want it to work, chances is that there is a windows driver somewhere
that can make it comes alive.

Other than violating the OS copyright, I take good care to not violate
any other copyrights. All other software that I installed in the
machines are either Open Sourced, or Freewares.

Please do not misunderstand me, I'm not trying to wriggle myself out
of my guilt. I do acknowledge my guilt. My only hope is that Microsoft
may decide to drop their copyrights on OS that they no longer sell,
and no longer support, such as Windows 98.

Thanks again for your message, God Bless !




Win98SE does not require activation the way XP and newer do, but installing multiple
systems with one license *is* a violation of the licensing agreement. True, no one
at MS is going to send out the "cyber-police" at this point in time.....indeed, MS
has no way to even tell if 98 has been installed on multiple machines with one
license. Being a church-related project, the OP may want to consider the legal
aspect. Nuff said on that.....



That said, Windows 98 should be relatively complete as far as having
drivers for motherboards and hardware that was available back in 1998
and probably as far back as 1995. Anything more recent than 1998
should be available on the net (motherboard, video, network cards,
modems, etc).


I wouldn't waste my time in your case trying to find drivers for sound
cards, SCSI or other "non-standard" storage devices, or video cards
made before 1998. Most likely the recipients of your computers will
not make use of devices like those.


I would think a working sound card from any era would be an item the endusers would
want.



You, and the recipients of the systems you are building, will probably
not be satisfied with the use of such old hardware, say anything with
less than a Pentium-II CPU. The computing experience will be
troublesome and frustrating and not worth the effort. You shouldn't
have a problem finding tons of relatively recent hardware - unless
there are other larger recyclers in your area that are obtaining more
modern surplus hardware to either build into systems - or to ship
overseas and melt them down for their base metals.


--
Glen Ventura, MS MVP Shell/User, A+http://dts-l.org/http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm



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Old June 9th 07, 06:22 AM posted to microsoft.public.win98.apps,comp.sys.ibm.pc.soundcard.misc,microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion
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On Jun 3, 10:27 am, 98 Guy wrote:
glee wrote:
(but you can install Windows-98se with complete impunity
regardless of what others here think of that).


but installing multiple systems with one license *is* a
violation of the licensing agreement. True, no one at MS
is going to send out the "cyber-police" at this point in time...


He actually has no choice.

He can't buy 98 from MS, and he can't really buy XP anymore either -
not retail anyways. Given the vintage of his hardware, Vista is not
an option either.



Many thanks for your support. I'm not saying that I'm guilt free, is
that other than Win98, there's no many choice, do they ?


We can argue the legality, or the morals, or the practicality of
installing system after system after system with the same win-98
license key until the cows come home, but it's Micro$haft that has
made it impossible for people like the OP to obtain a "legit"
solution, so I say screw MS - they deserve it.

I would think a working sound card from any era would be an
item the endusers would want.


I don't know exactly what device the OP is getting his hands on where
he can't find a driver, but soundcards are a likely guess. I don't
know how long I'd putz with a system where I could get everything else
working except the sound card - but not long.


Sound card, net card, video card, you name it. Many don't even have
any label. Sometimes I can only guess what they are, and then test
them out.

Anyway, thanks again and God Bless !


  #7  
Old June 9th 07, 06:22 AM posted to microsoft.public.win98.apps,comp.sys.ibm.pc.soundcard.misc,microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion
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On Jun 3, 10:27 am, 98 Guy wrote:
glee wrote:
(but you can install Windows-98se with complete impunity
regardless of what others here think of that).


but installing multiple systems with one license *is* a
violation of the licensing agreement. True, no one at MS
is going to send out the "cyber-police" at this point in time...


He actually has no choice.

He can't buy 98 from MS, and he can't really buy XP anymore either -
not retail anyways. Given the vintage of his hardware, Vista is not
an option either.



Many thanks for your support. I'm not saying that I'm guilt free, is
that other than Win98, there's no many choice, do they ?


We can argue the legality, or the morals, or the practicality of
installing system after system after system with the same win-98
license key until the cows come home, but it's Micro$haft that has
made it impossible for people like the OP to obtain a "legit"
solution, so I say screw MS - they deserve it.

I would think a working sound card from any era would be an
item the endusers would want.


I don't know exactly what device the OP is getting his hands on where
he can't find a driver, but soundcards are a likely guess. I don't
know how long I'd putz with a system where I could get everything else
working except the sound card - but not long.


Sound card, net card, video card, you name it. Many don't even have
any label. Sometimes I can only guess what they are, and then test
them out.

Anyway, thanks again and God Bless !


 




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