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Reinstalling Windows
I did it again. Me and my tests of shareware!! One step beyond, and
blue screen at the ok corral (no, registry backups were not helpful in this case). But .... "it's an ill wind that blows no good". Got a clean system (again), and besides that, I learned the hard way how to get back my OE mail and news rules. A bit of a pain in the butt, but it was worth it. I think..... |
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(Updated with more info below...)
Bill in Co. wrote: I did it again. Me and my tests of shareware!! One step beyond, and blue screen at the ok corral (no, registry backups were not helpful in this case). But .... "it's an ill wind that blows no good". Got a clean system (again), and besides that, I learned the hard way how to get back my OE and news rules. A bit of a pain in the butt, but it was worth it. I think..... Well, on rereading this again, this was not very informative, so let me add in some corrections and notes: It wasn't shareware - it was a freeware utility program that was *supposed to* give you some nice system info on your system. The program name was: Info Bag Pro. DON'T try it! It used a MSI file to install itself. What it then did was install some OCX and VXD files that rendered my system next to useless, viz, "Explorer has caused a page fault..." (etc, etc, etc) anytime you used Windows Explorer (which made it next to impossible to uninstall it). But. as I said, I learned something else in the process: how to use regedit in DOS mode to export the (previously saved) good registry as a reg (text) file. That allowed me to find my old OE Mail and News Rules key info, which I then reregistered (after first updating the CLSID user key name) in my current registry. Note: to whom it may concern: if you ever have to do this, be damn sure you first run SMARTDRV before attempting to export your old registry system and user data files (from a previously saved cabinet) into a new reg (text) file, to find the desired key info. Otherwise you'll be there at the DOS prompt for hours. |
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Bill in Co. wrote:
It used a MSI file to install itself. What it then did was install some OCX and VXD files that rendered my system next to useless, viz, "Explorer has caused a page fault..." (etc, etc, etc) anytime you used Windows Explorer (which made it next to impossible to uninstall it). But. as I said, I learned something else in the process: how to use regedit in DOS mode to export the (previously saved) good registry as a reg (text) file. That allowed me to find my old OE Mail and News Rules key info, which I then reregistered (after first updating the CLSID user key name) in my current registry. Lots easier to just use Total Uninstall. -- dadiOH ____________________________ dadiOH's dandies v3.06... ....a help file of info about MP3s, recording from LP/cassette and tips & tricks on this and that. Get it at http://mysite.verizon.net/xico |
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Bill in Co. wrote:
I did it again. Me and my tests of shareware!! One step beyond, and blue screen at the ok corral (no, registry backups were not helpful in this case). But .... "it's an ill wind that blows no good". Got a clean system (again), and besides that, I learned the hard way how to get back my OE mail and news rules. A bit of a pain in the butt, but it was worth it. I think..... GoBack. Speaking from experience: an Inept Power User's dream, . |
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That's one of the main purposes I use Ghost. I always create an image before
any new installation, if something goes bang or I find I don't like the app I then restore the pre-install image. I use TotalUninstall to monitor all app installs which also creates an uninstall file should I wish to remove the app. If the app is installed for a number of days before I decide I don't like/want it, then I uninstall it with either Add/Remove, the apps uninstaller or TotalUninstall. After uninstalling the app I then use any number of registry editors to seek/remove any errant left-behinds. Two apps I use aside from/along with regedit, which NO ONE THAT IS NOT FAMILIARIZED OR EXPERIENCED with registry editing should ever use or even attempt to edit the registry. Reg Commander Registrar Lite -- Brian A. Sesko { MS MVP_Shell/User } Conflicts start where information lacks. http://www.dts-l.org/goodpost.htm "Bill in Co." wrote in message ... I did it again. Me and my tests of shareware!! One step beyond, and blue screen at the ok corral (no, registry backups were not helpful in this case). But .... "it's an ill wind that blows no good". Got a clean system (again), and besides that, I learned the hard way how to get back my OE mail and news rules. A bit of a pain in the butt, but it was worth it. I think..... |
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Interesting. I just looked it up. Two versions: one free, the newer one
is shareware. How effective is Total Uninstall in all cases? Surely it's not as effective as Go Back or Ghost? Probably wouldn't save you if you were stuck at the Blue Screen level, I'd guess. dadiOH wrote: Bill in Co. wrote: It used a MSI file to install itself. What it then did was install some OCX and VXD files that rendered my system next to useless, viz, "Explorer has caused a page fault..." (etc, etc, etc) anytime you used Windows Explorer (which made it next to impossible to uninstall it). But. as I said, I learned something else in the process: how to use regedit in DOS mode to export the (previously saved) good registry as a reg (text) file. That allowed me to find my old OE Mail and News Rules key info, which I then reregistered (after first updating the CLSID user key name) in my current registry. Lots easier to just use Total Uninstall. -- dadiOH ____________________________ dadiOH's dandies v3.06... ...a help file of info about MP3s, recording from LP/cassette and tips & tricks on this and that. Get it at http://mysite.verizon.net/xico |
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Definitely not as effective as an image. However, AFAIK it works well in
removing folders/files in Windows. It may not remove all registry keys for some particular purpose when uninstalling some apps, but not to worry, TU creates a log containing any reg keys not removed and why. You then make the choice on if you should remove them or not. The one thing to keep an eye on is anything done after the monitoring is finished will not be included in the uninstall or the log, in which case it becomes a manual search and delete. -- Brian A. Sesko { MS MVP_Shell/User } Conflicts start where information lacks. http://www.dts-l.org/goodpost.htm "Bill in Co." wrote in message ... Interesting. I just looked it up. Two versions: one free, the newer one is shareware. How effective is Total Uninstall in all cases? Surely it's not as effective as Go Back or Ghost? Probably wouldn't save you if you were stuck at the Blue Screen level, I'd guess. dadiOH wrote: Bill in Co. wrote: It used a MSI file to install itself. What it then did was install some OCX and VXD files that rendered my system next to useless, viz, "Explorer has caused a page fault..." (etc, etc, etc) anytime you used Windows Explorer (which made it next to impossible to uninstall it). But. as I said, I learned something else in the process: how to use regedit in DOS mode to export the (previously saved) good registry as a reg (text) file. That allowed me to find my old OE Mail and News Rules key info, which I then reregistered (after first updating the CLSID user key name) in my current registry. Lots easier to just use Total Uninstall. -- dadiOH ____________________________ dadiOH's dandies v3.06... ...a help file of info about MP3s, recording from LP/cassette and tips & tricks on this and that. Get it at http://mysite.verizon.net/xico |
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What about if some app (like that bad one I mentioned) had installed some
bad OCX and VxD files - could it also fix those errors? To do so, it would have to "unregister" them in the registry AND any and all screwed up associations with those files. That might be a tall order for this program, right? Brian A. wrote: Definitely not as effective as an image. However, AFAIK it works well in removing folders/files in Windows. It may not remove all registry keys for some particular purpose when uninstalling some apps, but not to worry, TU creates a log containing any reg keys not removed and why. You then make the choice on if you should remove them or not. The one thing to keep an eye on is anything done after the monitoring is finished will not be included in the uninstall or the log, in which case it becomes a manual search and delete. -- Brian A. Sesko { MS MVP_Shell/User } Conflicts start where information lacks. http://www.dts-l.org/goodpost.htm "Bill in Co." wrote in message ... Interesting. I just looked it up. Two versions: one free, the newer one is shareware. How effective is Total Uninstall in all cases? Surely it's not as effective as Go Back or Ghost? Probably wouldn't save you if you were stuck at the Blue Screen level, I'd guess. dadiOH wrote: Bill in Co. wrote: It used a MSI file to install itself. What it then did was install some OCX and VXD files that rendered my system next to useless, viz, "Explorer has caused a page fault..." (etc, etc, etc) anytime you used Windows Explorer (which made it next to impossible to uninstall it). But. as I said, I learned something else in the process: how to use regedit in DOS mode to export the (previously saved) good registry as a reg (text) file. That allowed me to find my old OE Mail and News Rules key info, which I then reregistered (after first updating the CLSID user key name) in my current registry. Lots easier to just use Total Uninstall. -- dadiOH ____________________________ dadiOH's dandies v3.06... ...a help file of info about MP3s, recording from LP/cassette and tips & tricks on this and that. Get it at http://mysite.verizon.net/xico |
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Bill in Co. wrote:
What about if some app (like that bad one I mentioned) had installed some bad OCX and VxD files - could it also fix those errors? They would be deleted. What it can't do is replace previously existing files that were overwritten. What it does... Registry created keys will be deleted deleted keys will be created created values will be deleted deleted values will be created modified values will be restored File System created folders will be deleted created files will be deleted _______________________ You asked in another post how it compares to GoBack & Ghost. Ghost is an imager, different thing. The "change fle" that TUN produces is generally smallish...most are well under 100KB. Most. The one for dotNET is 1,904KB, VB is 964KB. It is good for more than monitoring installs. You can use it while browsing suspect sites, for monitoring whatever sort of change is made to your system by whatever, to find where some program is stashing files...anything. -- dadiOH ____________________________ dadiOH's dandies v3.06... ....a help file of info about MP3s, recording from LP/cassette and tips & tricks on this and that. Get it at http://mysite.verizon.net/xico |
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OK, so let me go out on a limb here, and play devil's advocate. As long as
we aren't missing the proper files on the HD, TUN *will* be able to recover from just about any software malignancy we throw at it (due to some freeware or shareware being poorly designed)? I guess that would be true even if we were stuck in Safe Mode. If we couldn't even get to Safe Mode, we're probably hosed (assuming a registry restore doesn't cut it). dadiOH wrote: Bill in Co. wrote: What about if some app (like that bad one I mentioned) had installed some bad OCX and VxD files - could it also fix those errors? They would be deleted. What it can't do is replace previously existing files that were overwritten. What it does... Registry created keys will be deleted deleted keys will be created created values will be deleted deleted values will be created modified values will be restored File System created folders will be deleted created files will be deleted _______________________ You asked in another post how it compares to GoBack & Ghost. Ghost is an imager, different thing. The "change fle" that TUN produces is generally smallish...most are well under 100KB. Most. The one for dotNET is 1,904KB, VB is 964KB. It is good for more than monitoring installs. You can use it while browsing suspect sites, for monitoring whatever sort of change is made to your system by whatever, to find where some program is stashing files...anything. -- dadiOH ____________________________ dadiOH's dandies v3.06... ...a help file of info about MP3s, recording from LP/cassette and tips & tricks on this and that. Get it at http://mysite.verizon.net/xico |
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