Empty floppy drive grinds away at startup

Hi PCR,

FWIW, I have not found that article to be accurate anyway, in real-life use....at
least when using TweakUI or most other tweaking tools to adjust that setting.

For example, I had NoSaveSettings enabled (set to 1) for years in both Win95B and
Win98SE, and I was always able to save my Desktop icon arrangement. This was using
the binary (hex) setting, as created by TweakUI.

If I instead made a DWORD value for NoSaveSettings to 1, my desktop icon arrangement
would not be saved upon rebooting. This is one of the differing behaviours I
referred to earlier.

I think the KB article is referring to the DWORD value, as used "officially" by
poledit.
--
Glen Ventura, MS MVP Shell/User, A+
http://dts-l.org/
http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm


"PCR" wrote in message
...
glee wrote:
| Howdy Bill, and PCR,
| It's been a while but as I recall, the NoSaveSettings entry will be
| binary (hex) when added by TweakUI, and will be DWORD when added by
| poledit.
|
| Also, as you know, other tweaking utilities (and there are/were a lot
| of them) will also add the entries, whether as hex or dword may vary.
| Additionally, I found the dword NoSaveSettings caused different
| behaviour than the hex NoSaveSettings, when enabled (set to 1).

Hello, glee. It's a pity, in their own article...
http://support.microsoft.com/default...;EN-US;q130234
Save Settings On Exit Option Enabled by Default

..., MS doesn't say which format NoSaveSettings should take. Different
formats likely means different bits are set, especially if the value is
not zero & if it is signed. Ultimately, it depends upon the app reading
the Registry to understand the value read. I hope those apps had another
place to look besides that article to discover the format to expect. My
guess is it should be binary, because the others in that key are binary.
Also, it's really the first byte that is of importance...

OFF: 00 00 00 00
ON: 01 00 00 00

But those are mostly double negatives, as Blanton iterated. This is
pretty much how (Bicycle) Rob once put it...

........Quote...........
Right-click the right pane and select New, Binary Value, & name it:

NoChangeStartMenu To disable START button context menus
NoClose To disable Shut Down.
NoFavoritesMenu To remove Favorites.
NoFileMenu To remove the File Menu in Explorer.
NoFind To remove Find.
NoLogOff To remove Log Off.
NoRecentDocsHistory To disable the Documents compilation process.
NoRecentDocsMenu To remove Documents.
NoRun To remove Run.
NoSaveSettings To prevent some few settings getting saved to
the Registry.
NoSetFolders To disable Control Panel and Printer folders.
NoTrayContextMenu To disable Taskbar context menu.
NoViewContextMenu To disable (all?) context menus.

Double-click the new entry, select modify, and add this value...
01 00 00 00.
To reverse the action, change the value to...
00 00 00 00
......EOQ....................

| --
| Glen Ventura, MS MVP Shell/User, A+
| http://dts-l.org/
| http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
|
|
| "Bill Blanton" wrote in message
| ...
| "PCR" wrote in message
| ...
| 98 Guy wrote:
| | PCR wrote:
| |
|
| | | CDRAutoRun 00 00 00 00
| | | NoDriveTypeAutoRun ff 00 00 00
|
| | | My system has those two, plus these three:
| | |
| | | NoActiveDesktop
| | | NoSaveSettings
| | | NoStartBanner
| |
| | Like I said, my system has all 5 of the above reg entries, but
| | some other win-98 systems only have the first 2. But all system
| | have tweakui - so I'm not sure where the other 3 entries came
| | from.
|
| Could be a tweak tool. Have you ever run poledit ?
|
|
| | NoSaveSettings 00 00 00 00
| | NoStartBAnner 00 00 00 00
|
| These two have a value of zero; therefore, they are not in effect.
|
| Meaning
| 0=(Not)NoSaveSettings. (therefore, do save settings)
| 1=NoSaveSettings.

--
Thanks or Good Luck,
There may be humor in this post, and,
Naturally, you will not sue,
Should things get worse after this,
PCR

glee wrote:
| Hi PCR,
|
| FWIW, I have not found that article to be accurate anyway, in
| real-life use....at least when using TweakUI or most other tweaking
| tools to adjust that setting.
|
| For example, I had NoSaveSettings enabled (set to 1) for years in
| both Win95B and Win98SE, and I was always able to save my Desktop
| icon arrangement. This was using the binary (hex) setting, as
| created by TweakUI.
|
| If I instead made a DWORD value for NoSaveSettings to 1, my desktop
| icon arrangement would not be saved upon rebooting. This is one of
| the differing behaviours I referred to earlier.
|
| I think the KB article is referring to the DWORD value, as used
| "officially" by poledit.

Uh-oh. That sounds like realworld experience. I guess I'd best try it
myself, then, in this Win98SE. It's a setting I personally never would
use. I'll post the result later or tomorrow. But I'd rather you be wrong
than I have to fix yet another Master Post! There's been too much of
that going on! :-).

| --
| Glen Ventura, MS MVP Shell/User, A+
| http://dts-l.org/
| http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
|
|
| "PCR" wrote in message
| ...
| glee wrote:
| | Howdy Bill, and PCR,
| | It's been a while but as I recall, the NoSaveSettings entry will be
| | binary (hex) when added by TweakUI, and will be DWORD when added by
| | poledit.
| |
| | Also, as you know, other tweaking utilities (and there are/were a
| | lot of them) will also add the entries, whether as hex or dword
| | may vary. Additionally, I found the dword NoSaveSettings caused
| | different behaviour than the hex NoSaveSettings, when enabled (set
| | to 1).
|
| Hello, glee. It's a pity, in their own article...
| http://support.microsoft.com/default...;EN-US;q130234
| Save Settings On Exit Option Enabled by Default
|
| ..., MS doesn't say which format NoSaveSettings should take.
| Different formats likely means different bits are set, especially if
| the value is not zero & if it is signed. Ultimately, it depends upon
| the app reading the Registry to understand the value read. I hope
| those apps had another place to look besides that article to
| discover the format to expect. My guess is it should be binary,
| because the others in that key are binary. Also, it's really the
| first byte that is of importance...
|
| OFF: 00 00 00 00
| ON: 01 00 00 00
|
| But those are mostly double negatives, as Blanton iterated. This is
| pretty much how (Bicycle) Rob once put it...
|
| ........Quote...........
| Right-click the right pane and select New, Binary Value, & name it:
|
| NoChangeStartMenu To disable START button context menus
| NoClose To disable Shut Down.
| NoFavoritesMenu To remove Favorites.
| NoFileMenu To remove the File Menu in Explorer.
| NoFind To remove Find.
| NoLogOff To remove Log Off.
| NoRecentDocsHistory To disable the Documents compilation process.
| NoRecentDocsMenu To remove Documents.
| NoRun To remove Run.
| NoSaveSettings To prevent some few settings getting saved to
| the Registry.
| NoSetFolders To disable Control Panel and Printer folders.
| NoTrayContextMenu To disable Taskbar context menu.
| NoViewContextMenu To disable (all?) context menus.
|
| Double-click the new entry, select modify, and add this value...
| 01 00 00 00.
| To reverse the action, change the value to...
| 00 00 00 00
| ......EOQ....................
|
| | --
| | Glen Ventura, MS MVP Shell/User, A+
| | http://dts-l.org/
| | http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
| |
| |
| | "Bill Blanton" wrote in message
| | ...
| | "PCR" wrote in message
| | ...
| | 98 Guy wrote:
| | | PCR wrote:
| | |
| |
| | | | CDRAutoRun 00 00 00 00
| | | | NoDriveTypeAutoRun ff 00 00 00
| |
| | | | My system has those two, plus these three:
| | | |
| | | | NoActiveDesktop
| | | | NoSaveSettings
| | | | NoStartBanner
| | |
| | | Like I said, my system has all 5 of the above reg entries, but
| | | some other win-98 systems only have the first 2. But all
| | | system have tweakui - so I'm not sure where the other 3
| | | entries came from.
| |
| | Could be a tweak tool. Have you ever run poledit ?
| |
| |
| | | NoSaveSettings 00 00 00 00
| | | NoStartBAnner 00 00 00 00
| |
| | These two have a value of zero; therefore, they are not in
| | effect.
| |
| | Meaning
| | 0=(Not)NoSaveSettings. (therefore, do save settings)
| | 1=NoSaveSettings.
|
| --
| Thanks or Good Luck,
| There may be humor in this post, and,
| Naturally, you will not sue,
| Should things get worse after this,
| PCR
|

--
Thanks or Good Luck,
There may be humor in this post, and,
Naturally, you will not sue,
Should things get worse after this,
PCR

PCR wrote:
| glee wrote:
|| Hi PCR,
||
|| FWIW, I have not found that article to be accurate anyway, in
|| real-life use....at least when using TweakUI or most other tweaking
|| tools to adjust that setting.
||
|| For example, I had NoSaveSettings enabled (set to 1) for years in
|| both Win95B and Win98SE, and I was always able to save my Desktop
|| icon arrangement. This was using the binary (hex) setting, as
|| created by TweakUI.
||
|| If I instead made a DWORD value for NoSaveSettings to 1, my desktop
|| icon arrangement would not be saved upon rebooting. This is one of
|| the differing behaviours I referred to earlier.
||
|| I think the KB article is referring to the DWORD value, as used
|| "officially" by poledit.
|
| Uh-oh. That sounds like realworld experience. I guess I'd best try it
| myself, then, in this Win98SE. It's a setting I personally never would
| use. I'll post the result later or tomorrow. But I'd rather you be
| wrong than I have to fix yet another Master Post! There's been too
| much of that going on! :-).

NoSaveSettings worked the same for me whether BINARY or DWORD. There
must be a common bit in the two formats. HOWEVER, for me NEITHER way
will prevent Desktop icon position changes to be saved-- only the other
two items mentioned in the article are affected...!...

http://support.microsoft.com/default...;EN-US;q130234
Save Settings On Exit Option Enabled by Default
....Quote.............
Changed icon positions on the desktop.
Windows that are open when you exit.
The size and position of the taskbar.
....End quote.......

I'm not sure what to make of it, but I've adjusted that master post to
mention both formats. OK, thanks, glee.

|| --
|| Glen Ventura, MS MVP Shell/User, A+
|| http://dts-l.org/
|| http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
||
||
|| "PCR" wrote in message
|| ...
|| glee wrote:
|| | Howdy Bill, and PCR,
|| | It's been a while but as I recall, the NoSaveSettings entry will
|| | be binary (hex) when added by TweakUI, and will be DWORD when
|| | added by poledit.
|| |
|| | Also, as you know, other tweaking utilities (and there are/were a
|| | lot of them) will also add the entries, whether as hex or dword
|| | may vary. Additionally, I found the dword NoSaveSettings caused
|| | different behaviour than the hex NoSaveSettings, when enabled (set
|| | to 1).
||
|| Hello, glee. It's a pity, in their own article...
|| http://support.microsoft.com/default...;EN-US;q130234
|| Save Settings On Exit Option Enabled by Default
||
|| ..., MS doesn't say which format NoSaveSettings should take.
|| Different formats likely means different bits are set, especially if
|| the value is not zero & if it is signed. Ultimately, it depends upon
|| the app reading the Registry to understand the value read. I hope
|| those apps had another place to look besides that article to
|| discover the format to expect. My guess is it should be binary,
|| because the others in that key are binary. Also, it's really the
|| first byte that is of importance...
||
|| OFF: 00 00 00 00
|| ON: 01 00 00 00
||
|| But those are mostly double negatives, as Blanton iterated. This is
|| pretty much how (Bicycle) Rob once put it...
||
|| ........Quote...........
|| Right-click the right pane and select New, Binary Value, & name it:
||
|| NoChangeStartMenu To disable START button context menus
|| NoClose To disable Shut Down.
|| NoFavoritesMenu To remove Favorites.
|| NoFileMenu To remove the File Menu in Explorer.
|| NoFind To remove Find.
|| NoLogOff To remove Log Off.
|| NoRecentDocsHistory To disable the Documents compilation process.
|| NoRecentDocsMenu To remove Documents.
|| NoRun To remove Run.
|| NoSaveSettings To prevent some few settings getting saved to
|| the Registry.
|| NoSetFolders To disable Control Panel and Printer
|| folders. NoTrayContextMenu To disable Taskbar context menu.
|| NoViewContextMenu To disable (all?) context menus.
||
|| Double-click the new entry, select modify, and add this value...
|| 01 00 00 00.
|| To reverse the action, change the value to...
|| 00 00 00 00
|| ......EOQ....................
||
|| | --
|| | Glen Ventura, MS MVP Shell/User, A+
|| | http://dts-l.org/
|| | http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
|| |
|| |
|| | "Bill Blanton" wrote in message
|| | ...
|| | "PCR" wrote in message
|| | ...
|| | 98 Guy wrote:
|| | | PCR wrote:
|| | |
|| |
|| | | | CDRAutoRun 00 00 00 00
|| | | | NoDriveTypeAutoRun ff 00 00 00
|| |
|| | | | My system has those two, plus these three:
|| | | |
|| | | | NoActiveDesktop
|| | | | NoSaveSettings
|| | | | NoStartBanner
|| | |
|| | | Like I said, my system has all 5 of the above reg entries, but
|| | | some other win-98 systems only have the first 2. But all
|| | | system have tweakui - so I'm not sure where the other 3
|| | | entries came from.
|| |
|| | Could be a tweak tool. Have you ever run poledit ?
|| |
|| |
|| | | NoSaveSettings 00 00 00 00
|| | | NoStartBAnner 00 00 00 00
|| |
|| | These two have a value of zero; therefore, they are not in
|| | effect.
|| |
|| | Meaning
|| | 0=(Not)NoSaveSettings. (therefore, do save settings)
|| | 1=NoSaveSettings.
||
|| --
|| Thanks or Good Luck,
|| There may be humor in this post, and,
|| Naturally, you will not sue,
|| Should things get worse after this,
|| PCR
||
|
| --
| Thanks or Good Luck,
| There may be humor in this post, and,
| Naturally, you will not sue,
| Should things get worse after this,
| PCR
|

--
Thanks or Good Luck,
There may be humor in this post, and,
Naturally, you will not sue,
Should things get worse after this,
PCR

"PCR" wrote in message
...
| glee wrote:
|| Hi PCR,
||
|| FWIW, I have not found that article to be accurate anyway, in
|| real-life use....at least when using TweakUI or most other tweaking
|| tools to adjust that setting.
||
|| For example, I had NoSaveSettings enabled (set to 1) for years in
|| both Win95B and Win98SE, and I was always able to save my Desktop
|| icon arrangement. This was using the binary (hex) setting, as
|| created by TweakUI.
||
|| If I instead made a DWORD value for NoSaveSettings to 1, my desktop
|| icon arrangement would not be saved upon rebooting. This is one of
|| the differing behaviours I referred to earlier.
||
|| I think the KB article is referring to the DWORD value, as used
|| "officially" by poledit.

NoSaveSettings worked the same for me whether BINARY or DWORD. There
must be a common bit in the two formats. HOWEVER, for me NEITHER way
will prevent Desktop icon position changes to be saved-- only the other
two items mentioned in the article are affected...!...

http://support.microsoft.com/default...;EN-US;q130234
Save Settings On Exit Option Enabled by Default
...Quote.............
Changed icon positions on the desktop.
Windows that are open when you exit.
The size and position of the taskbar.
...End quote.......

I'm not sure what to make of it, but I've adjusted that master post to
mention both formats. OK, thanks, glee.

LOL....proving once again that YMMV. It's been quite a long time since I played
with trying the DWORD and the binary settings, and while I am quite sure the DWORD
setting prevented desktop icon position from being saved while the binary (hex)
setting allowed it, it may very well have been on Win95B that I tested it, rather
than Win98. I am not sure it would make a difference, but it's possible.

If it were *my* master post, I would stick with the binary (hex) format rather than
suggesting using the DWORD setting.
--
Glen Ventura, MS MVP Shell/User, A+
http://dts-l.org/
http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm

glee wrote:
| "PCR" wrote in message
| ...
| | glee wrote:
| || Hi PCR,
| ||
| || FWIW, I have not found that article to be accurate anyway, in
| || real-life use....at least when using TweakUI or most other
| || tweaking tools to adjust that setting.
| ||
| || For example, I had NoSaveSettings enabled (set to 1) for years in
| || both Win95B and Win98SE, and I was always able to save my Desktop
| || icon arrangement. This was using the binary (hex) setting, as
| || created by TweakUI.
| ||
| || If I instead made a DWORD value for NoSaveSettings to 1, my
| || desktop icon arrangement would not be saved upon rebooting. This
| || is one of the differing behaviours I referred to earlier.
| ||
| || I think the KB article is referring to the DWORD value, as used
| || "officially" by poledit.
|
| NoSaveSettings worked the same for me whether BINARY or DWORD. There
| must be a common bit in the two formats. HOWEVER, for me NEITHER way
| will prevent Desktop icon position changes to be saved-- only the
| other two items mentioned in the article are affected...!...
|
| http://support.microsoft.com/default...;EN-US;q130234
| Save Settings On Exit Option Enabled by Default
| ...Quote.............
| Changed icon positions on the desktop.
| Windows that are open when you exit.
| The size and position of the taskbar.
| ...End quote.......
|
| I'm not sure what to make of it, but I've adjusted that master post
| to mention both formats. OK, thanks, glee.
|
| LOL....proving once again that YMMV. It's been quite a long time
| since I played with trying the DWORD and the binary settings, and
| while I am quite sure the DWORD setting prevented desktop icon
| position from being saved while the binary (hex) setting allowed it,
| it may very well have been on Win95B that I tested it, rather than
| Win98. I am not sure it would make a difference, but it's possible.

Well, I guess there might have been a change (maybe Active Desktop?)
somewhere between 95B & 98SE that might have had an undocumented effect
on NoSaveSettings, although the article does say...

APPLIES TO
• Microsoft Windows 95
• Microsoft Windows 98 Standard Edition

| If it were *my* master post, I would stick with the binary (hex)
| format rather than suggesting using the DWORD setting.

If I change it back, will you promise never to mention DWORD again?
Still, even dropping DWORD as a possibility, I feel I need to mention
desktop icons may be immune to that setting. OK, OK, it's done. Thanks
again.

I should add, (Bicycle) Rob never had NoSaveSettings in his original
post...

........Quote of precise (Bicycle) Rob post.......
Right-click the right pane and select New, Binary Value:

To remove Documents, name the binary value: NoRecentDocsMenu
To disable the Documents compilation process, name the binary value:
NoRecentDocsHistory
To remove Favorites, name the binary value: NoFavoritesMenu
To remove Find, name the binary value: NoFind
To remove Log Off, name the binary value: NoLogOff
To remove Run, name the binary value: NoRun
To disable Shut Down, name the binary value: NoClose
To disable Control Panel and Printer folders, name the binary value:
NoSetFolders
To disable Taskbar context menu, name the binary value:
NoTrayContextMenu

Double-click the new entry, select modify and add this value: 01 00 00
00
To reverse the action, change the value to: 00 00 00 00
.........EOQ............

But somewhere along the line I added a few in.

| --
| Glen Ventura, MS MVP Shell/User, A+
| http://dts-l.org/
| http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm

--
Thanks or Good Luck,
There may be humor in this post, and,
Naturally, you will not sue,
Should things get worse after this,
PCR