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Old December 25th 07, 09:16 PM posted to microsoft.public.win98.disks.general
SlickRCBD[_2_]
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Default Will a Maxtor OneTouch 4plus work with win98?

I just recieved a 750gb Maxtor OneTouch 4Plus hard drive for Xmas.
However, all the specs I can find say it only works with Windows XP. I
need a detatchable external drive that can also be hooked up to a
Windows 98SE computer and a Windows 98 first edition laptop. The 98Se
computer is far more important than the laptop, as I can use ethernet
for the laptop's needs. Will this product work, or do I need to exchange
it for something else? I haven't opened it because I'm afraid the store
won't let me exchange it if I try it and it doesn't work.

If I need to exange it, what would I want to look for that is commonly
found in stores in the Chicagoland area? I do need a USB interface. Most
stores these days won't give me cash, so ordering on-line is out.
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Old December 26th 07, 12:06 AM posted to microsoft.public.win98.disks.general
Gary S. Terhune[_2_]
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Default Will a Maxtor OneTouch 4plus work with win98?

It's your choice, and I have never tried that specific model on Win98, but
I've used various external One-Touch drives and my experience is that the
drive will work just fine as a simple drive. What won't work is all the
"One-Touch" backup software that's included. Note that while the drive
*should* work under USB1.1, it will be slow as molasses. Best if the
machines have USB2. Unfortunately, you can't get that in Win98 First
Edition.

If you want, I'll see if my Maxtor 350GB drive works under Win98FE, and if
so, I'll swap you, ;-)

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS-MVP Shell/User
www.grystmill.com

"SlickRCBD" wrote in message
...
I just recieved a 750gb Maxtor OneTouch 4Plus hard drive for Xmas. However,
all the specs I can find say it only works with Windows XP. I need a
detatchable external drive that can also be hooked up to a Windows 98SE
computer and a Windows 98 first edition laptop. The 98Se computer is far
more important than the laptop, as I can use ethernet for the laptop's
needs. Will this product work, or do I need to exchange it for something
else? I haven't opened it because I'm afraid the store won't let me
exchange it if I try it and it doesn't work.

If I need to exange it, what would I want to look for that is commonly
found in stores in the Chicagoland area? I do need a USB interface. Most
stores these days won't give me cash, so ordering on-line is out.


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Old December 26th 07, 02:28 AM posted to microsoft.public.win98.disks.general
SlickRCBD[_2_]
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Default Will a Maxtor OneTouch 4plus work with win98?

Gary S. Terhune wrote:
It's your choice, and I have never tried that specific model on Win98,
but I've used various external One-Touch drives and my experience is
that the drive will work just fine as a simple drive. What won't work is
all the "One-Touch" backup software that's included. Note that while the
drive *should* work under USB1.1, it will be slow as molasses. Best if
the machines have USB2. Unfortunately, you can't get that in Win98 First
Edition.

If you want, I'll see if my Maxtor 350GB drive works under Win98FE, and
if so, I'll swap you, ;-)

Well, the really important one is to use Win98SE. However, when you say
"Simple drive", I'm confused. I know what a "basic disk" is in XP, but
I've never heard the term "simple drive" in Windows 98.
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Old December 26th 07, 03:20 AM posted to microsoft.public.win98.disks.general
philo
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Default Will a Maxtor OneTouch 4plus work with win98?


"SlickRCBD" wrote in message
...
I just recieved a 750gb Maxtor OneTouch 4Plus hard drive for Xmas.
However, all the specs I can find say it only works with Windows XP. I
need a detatchable external drive that can also be hooked up to a
Windows 98SE computer and a Windows 98 first edition laptop. The 98Se
computer is far more important than the laptop, as I can use ethernet
for the laptop's needs. Will this product work, or do I need to exchange
it for something else? I haven't opened it because I'm afraid the store
won't let me exchange it if I try it and it doesn't work.

If I need to exange it, what would I want to look for that is commonly
found in stores in the Chicagoland area? I do need a USB interface. Most
stores these days won't give me cash, so ordering on-line is out.



Read the specs and see if win98 is listed.

Note...since win98 cannot recognize NTFS you'd need to use fat32
which will have very poor cluster size.

Also USB2 would be in order as you would find USB1 *way* too slow


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Old December 26th 07, 04:45 AM posted to microsoft.public.win98.disks.general
Gary S. Terhune[_2_]
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Default Will a Maxtor OneTouch 4plus work with win98?

When I say "simple drive", I mean that it is detected and treated as a
"basic disk" as defined in Windows XP disk management -- it's essentially
the same for earlier versions of Windows. It does not show up as a
"removable drive" like memory sticks, etc. It does not need anything more
than the standard IDE drivers AND the USB1.1 or USB2 or firewire drivers for
the connection. The specs you're worried about ONLY apply to the additional
software that is bundled.

In short, you can use the drive on any of the machines that you mention,
except that on the Win98FE machine, it will be so slow as to potentially
cause problems. What you can't do is install the Retrospect backup software
and the drivers that permit the "One-Touch" operation.

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS-MVP Shell/User
www.grystmill.com

"SlickRCBD" wrote in message
. ..
Gary S. Terhune wrote:
It's your choice, and I have never tried that specific model on Win98,
but I've used various external One-Touch drives and my experience is that
the drive will work just fine as a simple drive. What won't work is all
the "One-Touch" backup software that's included. Note that while the
drive *should* work under USB1.1, it will be slow as molasses. Best if
the machines have USB2. Unfortunately, you can't get that in Win98 First
Edition.

If you want, I'll see if my Maxtor 350GB drive works under Win98FE, and
if so, I'll swap you, ;-)

Well, the really important one is to use Win98SE. However, when you say
"Simple drive", I'm confused. I know what a "basic disk" is in XP, but
I've never heard the term "simple drive" in Windows 98.


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Old December 26th 07, 06:03 AM posted to microsoft.public.win98.disks.general
Gary S. Terhune[_2_]
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Default Will a Maxtor OneTouch 4plus work with win98?

Thoughtful partitioning, and the use of a third-party partitioning app, like
BootIt NG, gets rid of most those pesky problems you refer to. It's not that
you CAN'T create huge partitions formatted FAT32 and using 4KB clusters,
it's that when you do so the FATs themselves get to be larger than MS thinks
they ought to be, the concern being how long it takes to read the FATs
(FAT32 systems have two copies of the File Allocation Table.) But, what with
today's CPU speeds and RAM allotments, I don't think there's much lag time
to speak of when reading large FATs.

Most external drives are used for larger files, not little 10 or 20 KB files
(such as typically exist in the system files) If, for example, the intent is
to store multimedia or image files or other large files, slack space is
literally negligible. Biggest problem with FAT32, other than the obvious
ones involving security and durability is that it only permits a maximum
file size of 4GB.

I'd divide the drive into quarters (~150GB each), partition and format using
BootIt NG, and leave it at 4KB clusters. Or even divide the drive into
eighths. Much more manageable than one huge 750GB drive.

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS-MVP Shell/User
www.grystmill.com

"philo" wrote in message
...

"SlickRCBD" wrote in message
...
I just recieved a 750gb Maxtor OneTouch 4Plus hard drive for Xmas.
However, all the specs I can find say it only works with Windows XP. I
need a detatchable external drive that can also be hooked up to a
Windows 98SE computer and a Windows 98 first edition laptop. The 98Se
computer is far more important than the laptop, as I can use ethernet
for the laptop's needs. Will this product work, or do I need to exchange
it for something else? I haven't opened it because I'm afraid the store
won't let me exchange it if I try it and it doesn't work.

If I need to exange it, what would I want to look for that is commonly
found in stores in the Chicagoland area? I do need a USB interface. Most
stores these days won't give me cash, so ordering on-line is out.



Read the specs and see if win98 is listed.

Note...since win98 cannot recognize NTFS you'd need to use fat32
which will have very poor cluster size.

Also USB2 would be in order as you would find USB1 *way* too slow



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Old December 29th 07, 10:39 AM posted to microsoft.public.win98.disks.general
SlickRCBD[_2_]
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Default Will a Maxtor OneTouch 4plus work with win98?

Gary S. Terhune wrote:
Thoughtful partitioning, and the use of a third-party partitioning app,
like BootIt NG, gets rid of most those pesky problems you refer to. It's
not that you CAN'T create huge partitions formatted FAT32 and using 4KB
clusters, it's that when you do so the FATs themselves get to be larger
than MS thinks they ought to be, the concern being how long it takes to
read the FATs (FAT32 systems have two copies of the File Allocation
Table.) But, what with today's CPU speeds and RAM allotments, I don't
think there's much lag time to speak of when reading large FATs.

Most external drives are used for larger files, not little 10 or 20 KB
files (such as typically exist in the system files) If, for example, the
intent is to store multimedia or image files or other large files, slack
space is literally negligible. Biggest problem with FAT32, other than
the obvious ones involving security and durability is that it only
permits a maximum file size of 4GB.

I'd divide the drive into quarters (~150GB each), partition and format
using BootIt NG, and leave it at 4KB clusters. Or even divide the drive
into eighths. Much more manageable than one huge 750GB drive.

Your last post didn't appear until well into the 27th. As the previous
posts appeared negative, I took the drive back and got a promise from
the person who gave it to me to order one that would work. What drive
would you recomend to be used for sharing with a Win98SE desktop and a
Win98FE laptop set of computers? By sharing, I mean keeping it connected
to the desktop, but occasionally hooking it up to the laptop since I
don't own a wifi hookup and hooking it up to the ethernet is a PITA.

Please list brand and the highest capacity that can be easily
accomidated. ALso I need reliable drivers.
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Old December 29th 07, 10:11 PM posted to microsoft.public.win98.disks.general
Gary S. Terhune[_2_]
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Default Will a Maxtor OneTouch 4plus work with win98?

I can only test what I have, which are an original Maxtor One-Touch and a
One-Touch II (maybe a III, have to check my wife's business equipment.) In
other words, I'm in the middle testing, now. I'll have an answer in another
day or two. Have to build and update 2 entire OS systems one after the
other, and I have other hobbies, too, s.

To be honest, I think you should look into a simple External USB II
Enclosure into which you install any old IDE drive. AFAIK, there are few
problems with these so long as USB II is decently supported. Firewire is
another option, but again, with the original flavor of Win98, all bets are
off without actually testing.

Anyway, I'll get back to you tomorrow or Monday.

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS-MVP Shell/User
www.grystmill.com

"SlickRCBD" wrote in message
. ..
Gary S. Terhune wrote:
Thoughtful partitioning, and the use of a third-party partitioning app,
like BootIt NG, gets rid of most those pesky problems you refer to. It's
not that you CAN'T create huge partitions formatted FAT32 and using 4KB
clusters, it's that when you do so the FATs themselves get to be larger
than MS thinks they ought to be, the concern being how long it takes to
read the FATs (FAT32 systems have two copies of the File Allocation
Table.) But, what with today's CPU speeds and RAM allotments, I don't
think there's much lag time to speak of when reading large FATs.

Most external drives are used for larger files, not little 10 or 20 KB
files (such as typically exist in the system files) If, for example, the
intent is to store multimedia or image files or other large files, slack
space is literally negligible. Biggest problem with FAT32, other than the
obvious ones involving security and durability is that it only permits a
maximum file size of 4GB.

I'd divide the drive into quarters (~150GB each), partition and format
using BootIt NG, and leave it at 4KB clusters. Or even divide the drive
into eighths. Much more manageable than one huge 750GB drive.

Your last post didn't appear until well into the 27th. As the previous
posts appeared negative, I took the drive back and got a promise from the
person who gave it to me to order one that would work. What drive would
you recomend to be used for sharing with a Win98SE desktop and a Win98FE
laptop set of computers? By sharing, I mean keeping it connected to the
desktop, but occasionally hooking it up to the laptop since I don't own a
wifi hookup and hooking it up to the ethernet is a PITA.

Please list brand and the highest capacity that can be easily accomidated.
ALso I need reliable drivers.


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Old December 31st 07, 12:17 AM posted to microsoft.public.win98.disks.general
Gary S. Terhune[_2_]
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Default Will a Maxtor OneTouch 4plus work with win98?

OK, here's the results, such as they are. According to my best research
efforts, there is no support for One Touch III or One Touch 4 in Win98. Both
Win98 original and Win98SE support One Touch and One Touch II. I have
drivers for both devices 9they're the same for Win98 and Win98SE), the ones
for the One Touch II also work for the original One Touch, but not vice
versa. Note that while both devices are USB2 capable, they work just fine on
USB1.1, which is almost always the case, and you'll always see a minimum
requirement for Win98SE to support the USB2, for often for no other
reason--Win98FE will still work on the following, for instance,
http://www.directron.com/ecsstu35.html, just very slowly.

My apologies, my remembrance of things Win98 are sketchy these days. So, you
can look on EBay for an original One Touch or a One Touch II, or possibly a
different brand, or like I said, get an enclosure that you know will work
with everything and then put any old HD into it. There are tons of them out
there.

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS-MVP Shell/User
www.grystmill.com


"SlickRCBD" wrote in message
. ..
Gary S. Terhune wrote:
Thoughtful partitioning, and the use of a third-party partitioning app,
like BootIt NG, gets rid of most those pesky problems you refer to. It's
not that you CAN'T create huge partitions formatted FAT32 and using 4KB
clusters, it's that when you do so the FATs themselves get to be larger
than MS thinks they ought to be, the concern being how long it takes to
read the FATs (FAT32 systems have two copies of the File Allocation
Table.) But, what with today's CPU speeds and RAM allotments, I don't
think there's much lag time to speak of when reading large FATs.

Most external drives are used for larger files, not little 10 or 20 KB
files (such as typically exist in the system files) If, for example, the
intent is to store multimedia or image files or other large files, slack
space is literally negligible. Biggest problem with FAT32, other than the
obvious ones involving security and durability is that it only permits a
maximum file size of 4GB.

I'd divide the drive into quarters (~150GB each), partition and format
using BootIt NG, and leave it at 4KB clusters. Or even divide the drive
into eighths. Much more manageable than one huge 750GB drive.

Your last post didn't appear until well into the 27th. As the previous
posts appeared negative, I took the drive back and got a promise from the
person who gave it to me to order one that would work. What drive would
you recomend to be used for sharing with a Win98SE desktop and a Win98FE
laptop set of computers? By sharing, I mean keeping it connected to the
desktop, but occasionally hooking it up to the laptop since I don't own a
wifi hookup and hooking it up to the ethernet is a PITA.

Please list brand and the highest capacity that can be easily accomidated.
ALso I need reliable drivers.


 




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