usual '0E fatal exception' msg

A windows 98(se) machine with an amd K6-2 chipset.

the 0E msg recieved on BSOD is;;

'Fatal Exception, 0E, at 0028:C0005338 in VXD VMM (01) + 00004338

Have since googled til my egg was cooked, and the best I came up with
is below. (from a site I clicked on while googling)

AMD & Temperature

We've received information that running the (older) AMD K6-2 chips over 60ºC
(140ºF) will produce a FATAL EXCEPTION OE ...0028:C0005338 IN VXD
VMM(01)+00004338 (or similar) errors. So if you are running a K6-2 chip,
it's another area to check!

Microsoft KB failed to produce any information after typing in the error as
above.

-----------

I will be at the offending computer tomorrow, just wondering if any others
here are familiar with this particular 'windows msg'.
The above computer will sometimes boot into windows, but the instant
anything is clicked on after boot-up, it will just go to bsod and then
recycle around the boot process again.
Sometimes it will allow a desktop, sometimes not.
The computer is not currently on the internet, and hasnt been for over
10months, but that doesnt mean it didnt pick up a 'time-bomb' virus etc.

Any knowledge of this msg would be gratefully appreciated.
(and yes, I will check the cpu fan as soon as I am able to get to the
computer.)

Ian H

Open the case, blow out the dust using low-pressure air (like the exhaust
from a canister vacuum cleaner -- with a clean bag!), check to see that all
fans are operating properly. Put your finger on the CPU fan, then let go. It
should return to full operating speed immediately, not slowly crank up. Last
resort, remove the CPU, clean the contact surface, and apply some thermal
grease before reinstalling. Be careful. The thermal grease should ONLY be
applied to the contact surface. Don't get sloppy.

For fans and thermal grease I go to www.1coolpc.com

AMD = heat

--

Gary S. Terhune
MS-MVP Shell/User
http://grystmill.org/articles/cleanboot.htm
http://grystmill.org/articles/security.htm
"Roll Your Own Free Security Suite"
http://wiki.castlecops.com/Roll_your...Security_Suite

Ian H wrote:
A windows 98(se) machine with an amd K6-2 chipset.

the 0E msg recieved on BSOD is;;

'Fatal Exception, 0E, at 0028:C0005338 in VXD VMM (01) + 00004338

Have since googled til my egg was cooked, and the best I came up with
is below. (from a site I clicked on while googling)

AMD & Temperature

We've received information that running the (older) AMD K6-2 chips
over 60ºC (140ºF) will produce a FATAL EXCEPTION OE ...0028:C0005338
IN VXD VMM(01)+00004338 (or similar) errors. So if you are running a
K6-2 chip, it's another area to check!

Microsoft KB failed to produce any information after typing in the
error as above.

-----------

I will be at the offending computer tomorrow, just wondering if any
others here are familiar with this particular 'windows msg'.
The above computer will sometimes boot into windows, but the instant
anything is clicked on after boot-up, it will just go to bsod and then
recycle around the boot process again.
Sometimes it will allow a desktop, sometimes not.
The computer is not currently on the internet, and hasnt been for over
10months, but that doesnt mean it didnt pick up a 'time-bomb' virus
etc.

Any knowledge of this msg would be gratefully appreciated.
(and yes, I will check the cpu fan as soon as I am able to get to the
computer.)

Ian H

Ah, Gary was referring to the non-pin surface, where the fan is mounted, NOT
the pin surface or motherboard mounting socket.
Try to find "Arctic Silver" or a similar product for better heat transfer.
Might also replace the fan if you can locate one, with a ball bearing fan
and larger heat sink.

AMD K62s do have tremendous heat production [they were always considered as
over-clocked], and required the most extensive cooling.
Do NOT ignore any issues regarding the potential failure of the K62 as it
will likely take out the motherboard when it burns out. Do not continue to
use the computer until you have resolved the issue, if, in fact, this is
your issue.

Many also considered replacing the heat sink compound as part of their
annual maintenence procedure, as it may dry out or otherwise lose its
effectiveness [a lot of expansion and contraction occurs].

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"Gary S. Terhune" wrote in message
...
| Open the case, blow out the dust using low-pressure air (like the exhaust
| from a canister vacuum cleaner -- with a clean bag!), check to see that
all
| fans are operating properly. Put your finger on the CPU fan, then let go.
It
| should return to full operating speed immediately, not slowly crank up.
Last
| resort, remove the CPU, clean the contact surface, and apply some thermal
| grease before reinstalling. Be careful. The thermal grease should ONLY be
| applied to the contact surface. Don't get sloppy.
|
| For fans and thermal grease I go to www.1coolpc.com
|
| AMD = heat
|
| --
|
| Gary S. Terhune
| MS-MVP Shell/User
| http://grystmill.org/articles/cleanboot.htm
| http://grystmill.org/articles/security.htm
| "Roll Your Own Free Security Suite"
| http://wiki.castlecops.com/Roll_your...Security_Suite
|
| Ian H wrote:
| A windows 98(se) machine with an amd K6-2 chipset.
|
| the 0E msg recieved on BSOD is;;
|
| 'Fatal Exception, 0E, at 0028:C0005338 in VXD VMM (01) + 00004338
|
| Have since googled til my egg was cooked, and the best I came up with
| is below. (from a site I clicked on while googling)
|
| AMD & Temperature
|
| We've received information that running the (older) AMD K6-2 chips
| over 60ºC (140ºF) will produce a FATAL EXCEPTION OE ...0028:C0005338
| IN VXD VMM(01)+00004338 (or similar) errors. So if you are running a
| K6-2 chip, it's another area to check!
|
| Microsoft KB failed to produce any information after typing in the
| error as above.
|
| -----------
|
| I will be at the offending computer tomorrow, just wondering if any
| others here are familiar with this particular 'windows msg'.
| The above computer will sometimes boot into windows, but the instant
| anything is clicked on after boot-up, it will just go to bsod and then
| recycle around the boot process again.
| Sometimes it will allow a desktop, sometimes not.
| The computer is not currently on the internet, and hasnt been for over
| 10months, but that doesnt mean it didnt pick up a 'time-bomb' virus
| etc.
|
| Any knowledge of this msg would be gratefully appreciated.
| (and yes, I will check the cpu fan as soon as I am able to get to the
| computer.)
|
| Ian H
|
|

Yeah, I should have gone into more detail. The grease goes between the CPU
and the heat sink.

--

Gary S. Terhune
MS-MVP Shell/User
http://grystmill.org/articles/cleanboot.htm
http://grystmill.org/articles/security.htm
"Roll Your Own Free Security Suite"
http://wiki.castlecops.com/Roll_your...Security_Suite

MEB wrote:
Ah, Gary was referring to the non-pin surface, where the fan is
mounted, NOT the pin surface or motherboard mounting socket.
Try to find "Arctic Silver" or a similar product for better heat
transfer. Might also replace the fan if you can locate one, with a
ball bearing fan and larger heat sink.

AMD K62s do have tremendous heat production [they were always
considered as over-clocked], and required the most extensive cooling.
Do NOT ignore any issues regarding the potential failure of the K62
as it will likely take out the motherboard when it burns out. Do not
continue to use the computer until you have resolved the issue, if,
in fact, this is your issue.

Many also considered replacing the heat sink compound as part of their
annual maintenence procedure, as it may dry out or otherwise lose its
effectiveness [a lot of expansion and contraction occurs].


"Gary S. Terhune" wrote in message
...
Open the case, blow out the dust using low-pressure air (like the
exhaust from a canister vacuum cleaner -- with a clean bag!), check
to see that all fans are operating properly. Put your finger on the
CPU fan, then let go. It should return to full operating speed
immediately, not slowly crank up. Last resort, remove the CPU, clean
the contact surface, and apply some thermal grease before
reinstalling. Be careful. The thermal grease should ONLY be applied
to the contact surface. Don't get sloppy.

For fans and thermal grease I go to www.1coolpc.com

AMD = heat

--

Gary S. Terhune
MS-MVP Shell/User
http://grystmill.org/articles/cleanboot.htm
http://grystmill.org/articles/security.htm
"Roll Your Own Free Security Suite"
http://wiki.castlecops.com/Roll_your...Security_Suite

Ian H wrote:
A windows 98(se) machine with an amd K6-2 chipset.

the 0E msg recieved on BSOD is;;

'Fatal Exception, 0E, at 0028:C0005338 in VXD VMM (01) + 00004338

Have since googled til my egg was cooked, and the best I came up
with is below. (from a site I clicked on while googling)

AMD & Temperature

We've received information that running the (older) AMD K6-2 chips
over 60ºC (140ºF) will produce a FATAL EXCEPTION OE ...0028:C0005338
IN VXD VMM(01)+00004338 (or similar) errors. So if you are running a
K6-2 chip, it's another area to check!

Microsoft KB failed to produce any information after typing in the
error as above.

-----------

I will be at the offending computer tomorrow, just wondering if any
others here are familiar with this particular 'windows msg'.
The above computer will sometimes boot into windows, but the instant
anything is clicked on after boot-up, it will just go to bsod and
then recycle around the boot process again.
Sometimes it will allow a desktop, sometimes not.
The computer is not currently on the internet, and hasnt been for
over 10months, but that doesnt mean it didnt pick up a 'time-bomb'
virus etc.

Any knowledge of this msg would be gratefully appreciated.
(and yes, I will check the cpu fan as soon as I am able to get to
the computer.)

Ian H

Because the top of my desktop PC was getting a little hot - more than
normal, (the ASUS monitor software did not reveal any problems) I thought I
would check out the "innards". Nothing sprang to mind but I did notice that
on my particular PC, on the lower INSIDE edge of the front panel there was a
cut out to permit air into the PC. As the unit had been resting on the
carpet for all of its life, I thought I would experiment by placing it on
wooden blocks to see if it would make any difference. It did, unbelievable.
The top of the PC now never ever gets beyond a mild warm, so my message is
to look for and check the PC ventilation holes. My manual never mentioned
this at all, so maybe it is worth checking.
Alan
"Gary S. Terhune" wrote in message
...
Yeah, I should have gone into more detail. The grease goes between the CPU
and the heat sink.

--

Gary S. Terhune
MS-MVP Shell/User
http://grystmill.org/articles/cleanboot.htm
http://grystmill.org/articles/security.htm
"Roll Your Own Free Security Suite"
http://wiki.castlecops.com/Roll_your...Security_Suite

MEB wrote:
Ah, Gary was referring to the non-pin surface, where the fan is
mounted, NOT the pin surface or motherboard mounting socket.
Try to find "Arctic Silver" or a similar product for better heat
transfer. Might also replace the fan if you can locate one, with a
ball bearing fan and larger heat sink.

AMD K62s do have tremendous heat production [they were always
considered as over-clocked], and required the most extensive cooling.
Do NOT ignore any issues regarding the potential failure of the K62
as it will likely take out the motherboard when it burns out. Do not
continue to use the computer until you have resolved the issue, if,
in fact, this is your issue.

Many also considered replacing the heat sink compound as part of their
annual maintenence procedure, as it may dry out or otherwise lose its
effectiveness [a lot of expansion and contraction occurs].


"Gary S. Terhune" wrote in message
...
Open the case, blow out the dust using low-pressure air (like the
exhaust from a canister vacuum cleaner -- with a clean bag!), check
to see that all fans are operating properly. Put your finger on the
CPU fan, then let go. It should return to full operating speed
immediately, not slowly crank up. Last resort, remove the CPU, clean
the contact surface, and apply some thermal grease before
reinstalling. Be careful. The thermal grease should ONLY be applied
to the contact surface. Don't get sloppy.

For fans and thermal grease I go to www.1coolpc.com

AMD = heat

--

Gary S. Terhune
MS-MVP Shell/User
http://grystmill.org/articles/cleanboot.htm
http://grystmill.org/articles/security.htm
"Roll Your Own Free Security Suite"
http://wiki.castlecops.com/Roll_your...Security_Suite

Ian H wrote:
A windows 98(se) machine with an amd K6-2 chipset.

the 0E msg recieved on BSOD is;;

'Fatal Exception, 0E, at 0028:C0005338 in VXD VMM (01) + 00004338

Have since googled til my egg was cooked, and the best I came up
with is below. (from a site I clicked on while googling)

AMD & Temperature

We've received information that running the (older) AMD K6-2 chips
over 60ºC (140ºF) will produce a FATAL EXCEPTION OE ...0028:C0005338
IN VXD VMM(01)+00004338 (or similar) errors. So if you are running a
K6-2 chip, it's another area to check!

Microsoft KB failed to produce any information after typing in the
error as above.

-----------

I will be at the offending computer tomorrow, just wondering if any
others here are familiar with this particular 'windows msg'.
The above computer will sometimes boot into windows, but the instant
anything is clicked on after boot-up, it will just go to bsod and
then recycle around the boot process again.
Sometimes it will allow a desktop, sometimes not.
The computer is not currently on the internet, and hasnt been for
over 10months, but that doesnt mean it didnt pick up a 'time-bomb'
virus etc.

Any knowledge of this msg would be gratefully appreciated.
(and yes, I will check the cpu fan as soon as I am able to get to
the computer.)

Ian H

Good advice!

--

Gary S. Terhune
MS-MVP Shell/User
http://grystmill.org/articles/cleanboot.htm
http://grystmill.org/articles/security.htm
"Roll Your Own Free Security Suite"
http://wiki.castlecops.com/Roll_your...Security_Suite

Alan wrote:
Because the top of my desktop PC was getting a little hot - more than
normal, (the ASUS monitor software did not reveal any problems) I
thought I would check out the "innards". Nothing sprang to mind but I
did notice that on my particular PC, on the lower INSIDE edge of the
front panel there was a cut out to permit air into the PC. As the
unit had been resting on the carpet for all of its life, I thought I
would experiment by placing it on wooden blocks to see if it would
make any difference. It did, unbelievable. The top of the PC now
never ever gets beyond a mild warm, so my message is to look for and
check the PC ventilation holes. My manual never mentioned this at
all, so maybe it is worth checking.
Alan
"Gary S. Terhune" wrote in message
...
Yeah, I should have gone into more detail. The grease goes between
the CPU and the heat sink.

--

Gary S. Terhune
MS-MVP Shell/User
http://grystmill.org/articles/cleanboot.htm
http://grystmill.org/articles/security.htm
"Roll Your Own Free Security Suite"
http://wiki.castlecops.com/Roll_your...Security_Suite

MEB wrote:
Ah, Gary was referring to the non-pin surface, where the fan is
mounted, NOT the pin surface or motherboard mounting socket.
Try to find "Arctic Silver" or a similar product for better heat
transfer. Might also replace the fan if you can locate one, with a
ball bearing fan and larger heat sink.

AMD K62s do have tremendous heat production [they were always
considered as over-clocked], and required the most extensive
cooling. Do NOT ignore any issues regarding the potential failure
of the K62 as it will likely take out the motherboard when it burns
out. Do not continue to use the computer until you have resolved
the issue, if, in fact, this is your issue.

Many also considered replacing the heat sink compound as part of
their annual maintenence procedure, as it may dry out or otherwise
lose its effectiveness [a lot of expansion and contraction occurs].


"Gary S. Terhune" wrote in message
...
Open the case, blow out the dust using low-pressure air (like the
exhaust from a canister vacuum cleaner -- with a clean bag!), check
to see that all fans are operating properly. Put your finger on the
CPU fan, then let go. It should return to full operating speed
immediately, not slowly crank up. Last resort, remove the CPU,
clean the contact surface, and apply some thermal grease before
reinstalling. Be careful. The thermal grease should ONLY be applied
to the contact surface. Don't get sloppy.

For fans and thermal grease I go to www.1coolpc.com

AMD = heat

--

Gary S. Terhune
MS-MVP Shell/User
http://grystmill.org/articles/cleanboot.htm
http://grystmill.org/articles/security.htm
"Roll Your Own Free Security Suite"
http://wiki.castlecops.com/Roll_your...Security_Suite

Ian H wrote:
A windows 98(se) machine with an amd K6-2 chipset.

the 0E msg recieved on BSOD is;;

'Fatal Exception, 0E, at 0028:C0005338 in VXD VMM (01) + 00004338

Have since googled til my egg was cooked, and the best I came up
with is below. (from a site I clicked on while googling)

AMD & Temperature

We've received information that running the (older) AMD K6-2 chips
over 60ºC (140ºF) will produce a FATAL EXCEPTION OE
...0028:C0005338 IN VXD VMM(01)+00004338 (or similar) errors. So
if you are running a K6-2 chip, it's another area to check!

Microsoft KB failed to produce any information after typing in the
error as above.

-----------

I will be at the offending computer tomorrow, just wondering if
any others here are familiar with this particular 'windows msg'.
The above computer will sometimes boot into windows, but the
instant anything is clicked on after boot-up, it will just go to
bsod and then recycle around the boot process again.
Sometimes it will allow a desktop, sometimes not.
The computer is not currently on the internet, and hasnt been for
over 10months, but that doesnt mean it didnt pick up a 'time-bomb'
virus etc.

Any knowledge of this msg would be gratefully appreciated.
(and yes, I will check the cpu fan as soon as I am able to get to
the computer.)

Ian H

I can verify, your advice is good.
Heat and cpu's just dont mix, especially if amd is thrown into the mix
as per my friends problem.
Bought and installed a new fan today for said computer, problem solved
instantly.
Another point of interest is that windows can only supply hex address's
where it believes the problem is at, but it cant actually 'explain'.
I say this because another bsod was brought to my attention last night
from said computer owner stating a different 'fatal error msg', which in
fact turned out to relate to the coprocessor, (0D hex address) of which
is really under the same guise as the original, but windows could only
report on what happened at a certain time at a certain address.

Problem is now resolved, but a word to others regarding 'heat' and
processors or video cards and similar, ensure adequate cooling as a
priority. (especially with amd) (ps, I have an amd, and am more than
happy, but it also is not allowed to be overheated..... it will serve
owners well or even better than well, so long as it is ventilated)

Ian H
"Gary S. Terhune" wrote in message
...
Good advice!

--

Gary S. Terhune
MS-MVP Shell/User
http://grystmill.org/articles/cleanboot.htm
http://grystmill.org/articles/security.htm
"Roll Your Own Free Security Suite"
http://wiki.castlecops.com/Roll_your...Security_Suite

Alan wrote:
Because the top of my desktop PC was getting a little hot - more than
normal, (the ASUS monitor software did not reveal any problems) I
thought I would check out the "innards". Nothing sprang to mind but I
did notice that on my particular PC, on the lower INSIDE edge of the
front panel there was a cut out to permit air into the PC. As the
unit had been resting on the carpet for all of its life, I thought I
would experiment by placing it on wooden blocks to see if it would
make any difference. It did, unbelievable. The top of the PC now
never ever gets beyond a mild warm, so my message is to look for and
check the PC ventilation holes. My manual never mentioned this at
all, so maybe it is worth checking.
Alan
"Gary S. Terhune" wrote in message
...
Yeah, I should have gone into more detail. The grease goes between
the CPU and the heat sink.

--

Gary S. Terhune
MS-MVP Shell/User
http://grystmill.org/articles/cleanboot.htm
http://grystmill.org/articles/security.htm
"Roll Your Own Free Security Suite"
http://wiki.castlecops.com/Roll_your...Security_Suite

MEB wrote:
Ah, Gary was referring to the non-pin surface, where the fan is
mounted, NOT the pin surface or motherboard mounting socket.
Try to find "Arctic Silver" or a similar product for better heat
transfer. Might also replace the fan if you can locate one, with a
ball bearing fan and larger heat sink.

AMD K62s do have tremendous heat production [they were always
considered as over-clocked], and required the most extensive
cooling. Do NOT ignore any issues regarding the potential failure
of the K62 as it will likely take out the motherboard when it burns
out. Do not continue to use the computer until you have resolved
the issue, if, in fact, this is your issue.

Many also considered replacing the heat sink compound as part of
their annual maintenence procedure, as it may dry out or otherwise
lose its effectiveness [a lot of expansion and contraction occurs].


"Gary S. Terhune" wrote in message
...
Open the case, blow out the dust using low-pressure air (like the
exhaust from a canister vacuum cleaner -- with a clean bag!), check
to see that all fans are operating properly. Put your finger on the
CPU fan, then let go. It should return to full operating speed
immediately, not slowly crank up. Last resort, remove the CPU,
clean the contact surface, and apply some thermal grease before
reinstalling. Be careful. The thermal grease should ONLY be applied
to the contact surface. Don't get sloppy.

For fans and thermal grease I go to www.1coolpc.com

AMD = heat

--

Gary S. Terhune
MS-MVP Shell/User
http://grystmill.org/articles/cleanboot.htm
http://grystmill.org/articles/security.htm
"Roll Your Own Free Security Suite"
http://wiki.castlecops.com/Roll_your...Security_Suite

Ian H wrote:
A windows 98(se) machine with an amd K6-2 chipset.

the 0E msg recieved on BSOD is;;

'Fatal Exception, 0E, at 0028:C0005338 in VXD VMM (01) + 00004338

Have since googled til my egg was cooked, and the best I came up
with is below. (from a site I clicked on while googling)

AMD & Temperature

We've received information that running the (older) AMD K6-2 chips
over 60ºC (140ºF) will produce a FATAL EXCEPTION OE
...0028:C0005338 IN VXD VMM(01)+00004338 (or similar) errors. So
if you are running a K6-2 chip, it's another area to check!

Microsoft KB failed to produce any information after typing in the
error as above.

-----------

I will be at the offending computer tomorrow, just wondering if
any others here are familiar with this particular 'windows msg'.
The above computer will sometimes boot into windows, but the
instant anything is clicked on after boot-up, it will just go to
bsod and then recycle around the boot process again.
Sometimes it will allow a desktop, sometimes not.
The computer is not currently on the internet, and hasnt been for
over 10months, but that doesnt mean it didnt pick up a 'time-bomb'
virus etc.

Any knowledge of this msg would be gratefully appreciated.
(and yes, I will check the cpu fan as soon as I am able to get to
the computer.)

Ian H

Most modern machines have temp sensors and warning buzzers, both for CPU and
for other components and ambient temp (various locations inside the case),
and with most of those, the temp is accessible from the OS, providing more
sophisticated features, like kicking one or more fans into high gear when
the temp rises, etc.

--

Gary S. Terhune
MS-MVP Shell/User
http://grystmill.com/articles/cleanboot.htm
http://grystmill.com/articles/security.htm
"Roll Your Own Free Security Suite"
http://wiki.castlecops.com/Roll_your...Security_Suite

Ian H wrote:
I can verify, your advice is good.
Heat and cpu's just dont mix, especially if amd is thrown into the mix
as per my friends problem.
Bought and installed a new fan today for said computer, problem solved
instantly.
Another point of interest is that windows can only supply hex
address's where it believes the problem is at, but it cant actually
'explain'.
I say this because another bsod was brought to my attention last night
from said computer owner stating a different 'fatal error msg', which
in fact turned out to relate to the coprocessor, (0D hex address) of
which is really under the same guise as the original, but windows
could only report on what happened at a certain time at a certain
address.

Problem is now resolved, but a word to others regarding 'heat' and
processors or video cards and similar, ensure adequate cooling as a
priority. (especially with amd) (ps, I have an amd, and am more than
happy, but it also is not allowed to be overheated..... it will serve
owners well or even better than well, so long as it is ventilated)

Ian H
"Gary S. Terhune" wrote in message
...
Good advice!

--

Gary S. Terhune
MS-MVP Shell/User
http://grystmill.org/articles/cleanboot.htm
http://grystmill.org/articles/security.htm
"Roll Your Own Free Security Suite"
http://wiki.castlecops.com/Roll_your...Security_Suite

Alan wrote:
Because the top of my desktop PC was getting a little hot - more
than normal, (the ASUS monitor software did not reveal any
problems) I thought I would check out the "innards". Nothing sprang
to mind but I did notice that on my particular PC, on the lower
INSIDE edge of the front panel there was a cut out to permit air
into the PC. As the unit had been resting on the carpet for all of
its life, I thought I would experiment by placing it on wooden
blocks to see if it would make any difference. It did,
unbelievable. The top of the PC now never ever gets beyond a mild
warm, so my message is to look for and check the PC ventilation
holes. My manual never mentioned this at all, so maybe it is worth
checking.
Alan
"Gary S. Terhune" wrote in message
...
Yeah, I should have gone into more detail. The grease goes between
the CPU and the heat sink.

--

Gary S. Terhune
MS-MVP Shell/User
http://grystmill.org/articles/cleanboot.htm
http://grystmill.org/articles/security.htm
"Roll Your Own Free Security Suite"
http://wiki.castlecops.com/Roll_your...Security_Suite

MEB wrote:
Ah, Gary was referring to the non-pin surface, where the fan is
mounted, NOT the pin surface or motherboard mounting socket.
Try to find "Arctic Silver" or a similar product for better heat
transfer. Might also replace the fan if you can locate one, with a
ball bearing fan and larger heat sink.

AMD K62s do have tremendous heat production [they were always
considered as over-clocked], and required the most extensive
cooling. Do NOT ignore any issues regarding the potential failure
of the K62 as it will likely take out the motherboard when it
burns out. Do not continue to use the computer until you have
resolved the issue, if, in fact, this is your issue.

Many also considered replacing the heat sink compound as part of
their annual maintenence procedure, as it may dry out or otherwise
lose its effectiveness [a lot of expansion and contraction
occurs].


"Gary S. Terhune" wrote in message
...
Open the case, blow out the dust using low-pressure air (like the
exhaust from a canister vacuum cleaner -- with a clean bag!),
check to see that all fans are operating properly. Put your
finger on the CPU fan, then let go. It should return to full
operating speed immediately, not slowly crank up. Last resort,
remove the CPU, clean the contact surface, and apply some
thermal grease before reinstalling. Be careful. The thermal
grease should ONLY be applied to the contact surface. Don't get
sloppy.

For fans and thermal grease I go to www.1coolpc.com

AMD = heat

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Ian H wrote:
A windows 98(se) machine with an amd K6-2 chipset.

the 0E msg recieved on BSOD is;;

'Fatal Exception, 0E, at 0028:C0005338 in VXD VMM (01) +
00004338

Have since googled til my egg was cooked, and the best I came up
with is below. (from a site I clicked on while googling)

AMD & Temperature

We've received information that running the (older) AMD K6-2
chips over 60ºC (140ºF) will produce a FATAL EXCEPTION OE
...0028:C0005338 IN VXD VMM(01)+00004338 (or similar) errors. So
if you are running a K6-2 chip, it's another area to check!

Microsoft KB failed to produce any information after typing in
the error as above.

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I will be at the offending computer tomorrow, just wondering if
any others here are familiar with this particular 'windows msg'.
The above computer will sometimes boot into windows, but the
instant anything is clicked on after boot-up, it will just go to
bsod and then recycle around the boot process again.
Sometimes it will allow a desktop, sometimes not.
The computer is not currently on the internet, and hasnt been
for over 10months, but that doesnt mean it didnt pick up a
'time-bomb' virus etc.

Any knowledge of this msg would be gratefully appreciated.
(and yes, I will check the cpu fan as soon as I am able to get
to the computer.)

Ian H

.. As the unit had been resting on the
carpet for all of its life, I thought I would experiment by placing it on
wooden blocks to see if it would make any difference. It did,
unbelievable.
The top of the PC now never ever gets beyond a mild warm.

Alan, you are right.
Here is something else too, (that all wise men here will be against, but I
thought I'd pen it anyway) I have been running my 'personal' pc, ie, the
one I am typing on now, Without a single cover on the machine for over
2 & 1/2 years.
Sometimes what is good for the goose is not always good for the gander.
It is hard to figure out what is or isnt 'the way to go' sometimes.
A person can read 'this' or a person can read 'that', but experience can
only be the tell-taler.
I am not saying that the way I run my computer is the 'right' way, but I can
say that I have never had a heat problem, and I am an 'amd' user.
Perhaps certain manufacturers make money out of selling replacement fans,
I dont know, I am not a business-man or retailer.
Perhaps hype about having the sides of computers 'off' is something
wholesalers & retailers dont want the public to know about..... again,
I am not a business-man.
All I can say is, I am staring at my own pc with its sides off, and I see
much
less dust and grime than I find within the other 4 computers in my house if
I take the sides off at 6 month intervals.

food for thought. (steak for users if understood)

Ian H

So what your saying is your an old and aging over-clocker...

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MEB

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"Ian H" wrote in message
...
| . As the unit had been resting on the
| carpet for all of its life, I thought I would experiment by placing it
on
| wooden blocks to see if it would make any difference. It did,
| unbelievable.
| The top of the PC now never ever gets beyond a mild warm.
|
| Alan, you are right.
| Here is something else too, (that all wise men here will be against, but I
| thought I'd pen it anyway) I have been running my 'personal' pc, ie, the
| one I am typing on now, Without a single cover on the machine for over
| 2 & 1/2 years.
| Sometimes what is good for the goose is not always good for the gander.
| It is hard to figure out what is or isnt 'the way to go' sometimes.
| A person can read 'this' or a person can read 'that', but experience can
| only be the tell-taler.
| I am not saying that the way I run my computer is the 'right' way, but I
can
| say that I have never had a heat problem, and I am an 'amd' user.
| Perhaps certain manufacturers make money out of selling replacement fans,
| I dont know, I am not a business-man or retailer.
| Perhaps hype about having the sides of computers 'off' is something
| wholesalers & retailers dont want the public to know about..... again,
| I am not a business-man.
| All I can say is, I am staring at my own pc with its sides off, and I see
| much
| less dust and grime than I find within the other 4 computers in my house
if
| I take the sides off at 6 month intervals.
|
| food for thought. (steak for users if understood)
|
| Ian H
|
|