Best Internet Browser in 98 and 98SE

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On Mon, 7 Jun 2010 02:07:16 -0400, "PA Bear [MS MVP]"
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I cant tell you the best, but I will tell you to avoid
installing IE6...

Which would mean you wouldn't be able to install any
security updates via Windows Update. Not a good idea.

Just curious, why would that be?

PA Bear is a brainwashed MVP who thinks people need "updates"
(which could be called, of course, many other things). If one
does not use IE/OE and/or MS Office (and there is NO reason why
a rational person would need to use either for ANYTHING), one
doesn't need any updates.

Having said that, anything you need you will find here. This
guy, formerly known as Axcel216, known more about Windows than
Microsoft.

http://www.mdgx.com/spx

My installation of 98 has
been the same install since 99. It's been restored a few

SNIP

saying someone cant use Firefox to update Windows? I never
tried it from what I recall.

I haven't had IE for about a decade [whatever version came with
Win98se IS installed so I can read chm files but my firewall
won't let it access the net] and I haven't installed any updates
either. I don't know if MS rejects non-IE browser requests for
updates, but you can get them other places, except you don't
need them (see above).

If you want them ANYWAY, he
http://exuberant.ms11.net/98sesp.html

I should mention that I dont upgrade everytime MS comes up
with one. Win98se always works fine for me, so I dont mess
with it. If it's not broke, dont fix it.

Amen.

And if your just
talking about virus security stuff, I dont and wont run any
AV software.

I do, and all I have caught in 15 years are a few minor Trojans
in some hacks and pirate versions (I used to try - and
immediately delete - a LOT of software until I got bored) - IME,
99% of hacks and cracks have NO malware. Generally, since I also
run InCtrl4 which monitors all changes to the install dir., win,
win\sys, and the registry, all I have to do is look at that and
think a little.

That **** causes more problems than most viruses.

Not if you have the "FDA-approved" **** ;-)

But there ARE many VERY badly designed AV programs, and they all
feed on people's vastly-exaggerated paranoia. I used F-Prot for
DOS for AGES until they stopped providing the DOS updates, now I
use ESET NOD32 - there's still a 98 version, hard to find, but
available. Signature updates are guaranteed to be available for
almost another year or perhaps longer.

Because of a stupid new piece of hardware I was forced to
install XP on another partition and I have the XP version of
ESET there. I prefer the simplicity off the 98 version, but I
can always use the XP version to scan whatever drive/partition I
need to. Same registration works for all versions (there's a DOS
version too if you can find it).

I have "Hijack This", if my system is acting
weird, I run that program and it pretty much tells all.
That's what I like about Win98. It rarely ever gets
viruses anymore. The rare spyware **** I get, I just
manually delete the bad file.

/Slightly/ risky, but probably not a big deal. You are obviously
not paranoid about your personal/financial info. I /would/
install Spybot Search & Destroy, runs on 98, and I /would/
consider spending $40 on ESET - I did.

I also use and recommend the free version of Agnitum Outpost
Firewall 1.0.1817 from 2002.

It's been years since I got any malware in 98. In just
about 4 hours online, I had 3 malware items in XP. After
that happened, I quit using my XP computer online entirely.
It's not connected to the internet at all.

I would not go online with XP if you held a gun to my head.

I only use to
run a few programs that I cant use in 98. There's no
reason to connect more than one computer to the internet.

You show a rare combination of intelligence and common sense.

If I download something for XP, I just copy it to that
computer with one of those USB sticks.

Exactly. I don't own a single USB device, but I just burn a CD-R
if I need to transfer something.

Since I'm in this discussion, I got a question. If I was
to install Win98 on another computer, from scratch, isn't
there a place to download ALL of the updates until MS
stopped supporting Win98? If this is the case, why would I
need IE (or any browser) at all. I'd just take that
downloaded update package, burned to CD, and run the CD.
So, getting back to your original comment, if I had this
all on CD, why would I need ANY browser to update?

You wouldn't. See the 2 links I provided above.

By the way, does anyone know where someone can download the
entire update package? I've been thinking I should get it
before nobody uses 98 anymore.

A few people probably always will but it's a good idea to have a
copy of everything. There are things you can NOT get anymore,
like the winsock fix I mentioned and posted a few days ago.

SNIP

I went back to 2.

If you don't care about yEnc or NZB's, you might like
NewsXpress.
http://cws.internet.com/file/11602.htm

If you want yEnc and NZB, the latest GrabIt works great and fast
as hell with its 32-connection DL's (latest and 1.5* work on 98
- 1.6* versions did not) and if you want yEnc /and/ some control
over the software (GrabIt is only good for one thing, grabbing
binaries) /and/ like to post, XNews was largely inspired by
NewsXpress and is the best except does not do NZB's which GrabIt
excels at.

As someone once said "Keep It Simple Stupid".

Someone should go over to Redmond and brand a few foreheads with
that saying - mirrored so they see it when they look at their
stupid mugs when they go to the john.


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most people deserve none at all; and again in so far as it
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when we must be very glad that we have nothing to do with them.
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hemorrhoid wrote:

PA Bear is a brainwashed MVP who thinks people need "updates"
(which could be called, of course, many other things). If one
does not use IE/OE and/or MS Office (and there is NO reason why
a rational person would need to use either for ANYTHING), one
doesn't need any updates.

You are a fool for thinking that WindowsUpdates are only used to deliver
updates and fixes for IE.

But then again, you have already proven yourself to be a fool on other
occassions, so this is nothing new.

Anyone who avoids installing IE6 on their win-98 system because they
feel they wouldn't benefit from bringing their win-98 system up-to-date
via windowsupdate is a fool.

Installing IE6 on a win-98 system just to perform a windows-update
session doesn't mean you have to *always* use ie6 as your default
browser. Quite the opposite - you need never (or should never) use it
for anything else.

hemorrhoid wrote:

PA Bear is a brainwashed MVP who thinks people need "updates"
(which could be called, of course, many other things). If one
does not use IE/OE and/or MS Office (and there is NO reason why
a rational person would need to use either for ANYTHING), one
doesn't need any updates.

You are a fool for thinking that WindowsUpdates are only used to deliver
updates and fixes for IE.

But then again, you have already proven yourself to be a fool on other
occassions, so this is nothing new.

Anyone who avoids installing IE6 on their win-98 system because they
feel they wouldn't benefit from bringing their win-98 system up-to-date
via windowsupdate is a fool.

Installing IE6 on a win-98 system just to perform a windows-update
session doesn't mean you have to *always* use ie6 as your default
browser. Quite the opposite - you need never (or should never) use it
for anything else.

Dan wrote:

I wanted to start a new topic on this because there appears to be
lots of debate within this group on the best browser available for
Windows 98/98SE.

There are lots of stupid beliefs about browsers.

The "best" browser from a no-hassle-installation POV is Firefox
2.0.0.20.

This website will test your browser, flash and quick-time players for 18
possible security vulnerabilities:

http://bcheck.scanit.be/bcheck/

My installation of Firefox 2.0.0.20 passes all the tests.

I am curious as to why people like particular browsers for this
legacy operating system.

The reason for using any browser should be primarily that it will render
the desired web page or web-site fully, accurately and quickly. Firefox
2.0.0.20 does that, and does it much better than IE6.

I have finally received my motherboard but it will be a few weeks
until the system is back up and running to where I can start
posting and testing new software as I would like to in 98SE

What model of motherboard?

Did you first do any research to determine if you can obtain win-98
drivers for it?

I recommend the Asrock Dual or Quad-core VSTA motherboard, because it
has both AGP and PCIe video card slots, and because you can obtain
win-98 drivers for all motherboard components except HD-sound.

Dan wrote:

I wanted to start a new topic on this because there appears to be
lots of debate within this group on the best browser available for
Windows 98/98SE.

There are lots of stupid beliefs about browsers.

The "best" browser from a no-hassle-installation POV is Firefox
2.0.0.20.

This website will test your browser, flash and quick-time players for 18
possible security vulnerabilities:

http://bcheck.scanit.be/bcheck/

My installation of Firefox 2.0.0.20 passes all the tests.

I am curious as to why people like particular browsers for this
legacy operating system.

The reason for using any browser should be primarily that it will render
the desired web page or web-site fully, accurately and quickly. Firefox
2.0.0.20 does that, and does it much better than IE6.

I have finally received my motherboard but it will be a few weeks
until the system is back up and running to where I can start
posting and testing new software as I would like to in 98SE

What model of motherboard?

Did you first do any research to determine if you can obtain win-98
drivers for it?

I recommend the Asrock Dual or Quad-core VSTA motherboard, because it
has both AGP and PCIe video card slots, and because you can obtain
win-98 drivers for all motherboard components except HD-sound.

On Jun 6, 3:47*pm, Dan wrote:
I wanted to start a new topic on this because there appears to be lots of
debate within this group on the best browser available for Windows 98/98SE. *
I am curious as to why people like particular browsers for this legacy
operating system. *I have finally received my motherboard but it will be a
few weeks until the system is back up and running to where I can start
posting and testing new software as I would like to in 98SE and of course I
would prefer it sooner rather than later but real life does interfere.

Very happy with Opera 9.64 [although later version is available] on
Win98SE

It has alerted me to several malware attempts.

However, have installed IE6, Firefox, and Opera, just in case need
something the other can't get.

On Jun 6, 3:47*pm, Dan wrote:
I wanted to start a new topic on this because there appears to be lots of
debate within this group on the best browser available for Windows 98/98SE. *
I am curious as to why people like particular browsers for this legacy
operating system. *I have finally received my motherboard but it will be a
few weeks until the system is back up and running to where I can start
posting and testing new software as I would like to in 98SE and of course I
would prefer it sooner rather than later but real life does interfere.

Very happy with Opera 9.64 [although later version is available] on
Win98SE

It has alerted me to several malware attempts.

However, have installed IE6, Firefox, and Opera, just in case need
something the other can't get.

98 Guy schrieb:
....
The "best" browser from a no-hassle-installation POV is Firefox
2.0.0.20.

This website will test your browser, flash and quick-time players for 18
possible security vulnerabilities:

http://bcheck.scanit.be/bcheck/

My installation of Firefox 2.0.0.20 passes all the tests.

I did run all tests right now and Bon Echo/Firefox 2.0.0.22pre passes
all tests too without crashing.

98 Guy schrieb:
....
The "best" browser from a no-hassle-installation POV is Firefox
2.0.0.20.

This website will test your browser, flash and quick-time players for 18
possible security vulnerabilities:

http://bcheck.scanit.be/bcheck/

My installation of Firefox 2.0.0.20 passes all the tests.

I did run all tests right now and Bon Echo/Firefox 2.0.0.22pre passes
all tests too without crashing.

"98 Guy" wrote:

Dan wrote:

I wanted to start a new topic on this because there appears to be
lots of debate within this group on the best browser available for
Windows 98/98SE.

There are lots of stupid beliefs about browsers.

The "best" browser from a no-hassle-installation POV is Firefox
2.0.0.20.

This website will test your browser, flash and quick-time players for 18
possible security vulnerabilities:

http://bcheck.scanit.be/bcheck/

My installation of Firefox 2.0.0.20 passes all the tests.

I am curious as to why people like particular browsers for this
legacy operating system.

The reason for using any browser should be primarily that it will render
the desired web page or web-site fully, accurately and quickly. Firefox
2.0.0.20 does that, and does it much better than IE6.

I have finally received my motherboard but it will be a few weeks
until the system is back up and running to where I can start
posting and testing new software as I would like to in 98SE

What model of motherboard?

Did you first do any research to determine if you can obtain win-98
drivers for it?

I recommend the Asrock Dual or Quad-core VSTA motherboard, because it
has both AGP and PCIe video card slots, and because you can obtain
win-98 drivers for all motherboard components except HD-sound.
.


I did the test and it passed in Windows Vista with Internet Explorer 8.x
fully updated. I did get a notice from Microsoft Security Essentials to
clean my computer because of a vulnerability after the test and let Microsoft
Security Essentials do its work and all tests passed. The motherboard is an
ASUS motherboard replacement. It will work because it is the exact same
model as I had before when I replaced my older ASUS motherboard with a newer
one because lightning fried my older motherboard. If I mentioned it before
and someone knows so be it but I will leave it at that notice.