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  #41  
Old February 22nd 07, 01:57 AM posted to microsoft.public.win98.performance
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Default Hard drive larger then 120GB question


"J. P. Gilliver" wrote in message
...
"ssome" wrote in message
. ..
For Windows 98SE and ME, you need a PCI controller card to use an EIDE
hard
drive larger than 137GB without risking data corruption. The drivers for
the
controller card enable large drive support in the operating system,

while
the card itself provides the hardware support needed for the PC to
recognize
the full drive capacity.


Interesting, thanks.

WD Lifeguard s/w and Fdisk only let me create a partition of 137 GB max.
the rest of the HD goes to waste. screwed by the mfgrs again.

[]
(I am now wondering: is the 128G [137 if you're a drive mfr.] limit in

older
OSs the reason there are still quite a few _new_ 40 and 80 G drives on the
market?)



....and that 30% of all computers still run win 98 SE because it is fine for
them since they are not into Gaming or Video or have 20 users on the system
and that they can easily load it into their other machine and can clean
reload and can add h/w and s/w to them without having to ask MSoft for
permission.

i bought another 512 mb of RAM (for 1 GB now) changed the system.ini file
$25
and bought a Sabrent HD cntrlr PCI card $20 that i hope will see the whole
250 GB HD and allow me to partition it into 2 ea 125GB drives that will then
be used by win 98 SE. i got the newer fdisk file. this will allow me to
add up to 4 more HD type devices in addition to the 3 HD and one CDR i have
now. Hope 120 GB drives drop in price fast.


  #42  
Old February 23rd 07, 11:08 PM posted to microsoft.public.win98.performance
ssome
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Posts: 85
Default Hard drive larger then 120GB question

add to pro 98 SE list:
and can run their DOS apps

ssome

"J. P. Gilliver" wrote in message
...
"ssome" wrote in message
. ..
For Windows 98SE and ME, you need a PCI controller card to use an EIDE
hard
drive larger than 137GB without risking data corruption. The drivers for
the
controller card enable large drive support in the operating system,

while
the card itself provides the hardware support needed for the PC to
recognize
the full drive capacity.


Interesting, thanks.

WD Lifeguard s/w and Fdisk only let me create a partition of 137 GB max.
the rest of the HD goes to waste. screwed by the mfgrs again.

[]
(I am now wondering: is the 128G [137 if you're a drive mfr.] limit in

older
OSs the reason there are still quite a few _new_ 40 and 80 G drives on the
market?)




  #43  
Old February 23rd 07, 11:08 PM posted to microsoft.public.win98.performance
ssome
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Posts: 85
Default Hard drive larger then 120GB question

add to pro 98 SE list:
and can run their DOS apps

ssome

"J. P. Gilliver" wrote in message
...
"ssome" wrote in message
. ..
For Windows 98SE and ME, you need a PCI controller card to use an EIDE
hard
drive larger than 137GB without risking data corruption. The drivers for
the
controller card enable large drive support in the operating system,

while
the card itself provides the hardware support needed for the PC to
recognize
the full drive capacity.


Interesting, thanks.

WD Lifeguard s/w and Fdisk only let me create a partition of 137 GB max.
the rest of the HD goes to waste. screwed by the mfgrs again.

[]
(I am now wondering: is the 128G [137 if you're a drive mfr.] limit in

older
OSs the reason there are still quite a few _new_ 40 and 80 G drives on the
market?)




  #44  
Old February 28th 07, 03:53 AM posted to microsoft.public.win98.performance
ssome
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Posts: 85
Default Hard drive larger then 120GB question

The whole story

We bought 60 and 80 GB HDs and couldn't get win 98 SE to Fdisk them. Store
didn't know or want to tell us how to correct the problem. i got on NGs
and the web for HD mfgr sites asking questions and found that WD HDs,
Western Digital, had 2 utils for win 98 - one for a new HD in a new
computer where DOS had to be used. and one for a new HD in a win 98 system
up and running. this was the key to Fdisk, format and use. Until ...

Your machine's BIOS also has to be updated to accept HD larger than 32 GB,
an earlier limit. Once this is done then you can work with HDs up to the
win 98 limit of 137 GB. But, i found a HD that is 250 GB for only $60 -
so, how to make that work.

i figured i could partition (Fdisk) the 250 into 2 ea 125 GB partitions that
would then be within the 137 GB limit. this was a waste of hours.

the secret was to buy a $20 PCI card that is a HD Controller that has no
virtual limit. then i tried to partition it again pwrd thru this card
....and that was again a mistake. the new cntrlr can let win 98 'see' the
whole 250 GB as one partition. And, ... that worked. it took a little
doing to get the right drivers for the card in spite of them providing an
install CD; got 2 driver files from their site that helped. you can now
install 8 ea HD devices like: 6ea 500 GB HDs, CDRW and DVDRW on win 98
with virtual unlimited mem storage.

Now, you can try it without going down the wrong pathways.

ssome


"ssome" wrote in message
. ..
For Windows 98SE and ME, you need a PCI controller card to use an EIDE

hard
drive larger than 137GB without risking data corruption. The drivers for

the
controller card enable large drive support in the operating system, while
the card itself provides the hardware support needed for the PC to

recognize
the full drive capacity.

WD Lifeguard s/w and Fdisk only let me create a partition of 137 GB max.
the rest of the HD goes to waste. screwed by the mfgrs again.

ssome

"J. P. Gilliver" wrote in message
...
"ssome" wrote in message
. ..
i'm running 3 HDs on two machines now, both with win 98SE

i run the 3rd HD on the secondary cable along with the CDR; slower

this
way, but extra mem is worth it. use it for storage and not

interactive
apps.

[]
I thought that bit about "same cable as CDR makes it slower" was only

true
for IDE, not EIDE? (If not, then what _is_ the "enhancement" the E

stands
for?) [True IDE-only drives are years ago - I am pretty sure even CDRs

have
been EIDE for many years.]






  #45  
Old February 28th 07, 03:53 AM posted to microsoft.public.win98.performance
ssome
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Posts: 85
Default Hard drive larger then 120GB question

The whole story

We bought 60 and 80 GB HDs and couldn't get win 98 SE to Fdisk them. Store
didn't know or want to tell us how to correct the problem. i got on NGs
and the web for HD mfgr sites asking questions and found that WD HDs,
Western Digital, had 2 utils for win 98 - one for a new HD in a new
computer where DOS had to be used. and one for a new HD in a win 98 system
up and running. this was the key to Fdisk, format and use. Until ...

Your machine's BIOS also has to be updated to accept HD larger than 32 GB,
an earlier limit. Once this is done then you can work with HDs up to the
win 98 limit of 137 GB. But, i found a HD that is 250 GB for only $60 -
so, how to make that work.

i figured i could partition (Fdisk) the 250 into 2 ea 125 GB partitions that
would then be within the 137 GB limit. this was a waste of hours.

the secret was to buy a $20 PCI card that is a HD Controller that has no
virtual limit. then i tried to partition it again pwrd thru this card
....and that was again a mistake. the new cntrlr can let win 98 'see' the
whole 250 GB as one partition. And, ... that worked. it took a little
doing to get the right drivers for the card in spite of them providing an
install CD; got 2 driver files from their site that helped. you can now
install 8 ea HD devices like: 6ea 500 GB HDs, CDRW and DVDRW on win 98
with virtual unlimited mem storage.

Now, you can try it without going down the wrong pathways.

ssome


"ssome" wrote in message
. ..
For Windows 98SE and ME, you need a PCI controller card to use an EIDE

hard
drive larger than 137GB without risking data corruption. The drivers for

the
controller card enable large drive support in the operating system, while
the card itself provides the hardware support needed for the PC to

recognize
the full drive capacity.

WD Lifeguard s/w and Fdisk only let me create a partition of 137 GB max.
the rest of the HD goes to waste. screwed by the mfgrs again.

ssome

"J. P. Gilliver" wrote in message
...
"ssome" wrote in message
. ..
i'm running 3 HDs on two machines now, both with win 98SE

i run the 3rd HD on the secondary cable along with the CDR; slower

this
way, but extra mem is worth it. use it for storage and not

interactive
apps.

[]
I thought that bit about "same cable as CDR makes it slower" was only

true
for IDE, not EIDE? (If not, then what _is_ the "enhancement" the E

stands
for?) [True IDE-only drives are years ago - I am pretty sure even CDRs

have
been EIDE for many years.]






  #46  
Old March 20th 07, 03:42 AM posted to microsoft.public.win98.performance
ssome
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Posts: 85
Default Hard drive larger then 120GB question

Addendum

250 GB, filled half way, 119 GB
scandisk ran out of room and win ME defrag did too
looks like although you can write to all 250, these two utils only see
119/120 not 119/250
is there a win 98 ME scandisk dwnld that is better than SE ver?

ssome

"ssome" wrote in message
. ..
The whole story

We bought 60 and 80 GB HDs and couldn't get win 98 SE to Fdisk them.

Store
didn't know or want to tell us how to correct the problem. i got on NGs
and the web for HD mfgr sites asking questions and found that WD HDs,
Western Digital, had 2 utils for win 98 - one for a new HD in a new
computer where DOS had to be used. and one for a new HD in a win 98

system
up and running. this was the key to Fdisk, format and use. Until ...

Your machine's BIOS also has to be updated to accept HD larger than 32 GB,
an earlier limit. Once this is done then you can work with HDs up to the
win 98 limit of 137 GB. But, i found a HD that is 250 GB for only $60 -
so, how to make that work.

i figured i could partition (Fdisk) the 250 into 2 ea 125 GB partitions

that
would then be within the 137 GB limit. this was a waste of hours.

the secret was to buy a $20 PCI card that is a HD Controller that has no
virtual limit. then i tried to partition it again pwrd thru this card
...and that was again a mistake. the new cntrlr can let win 98 'see' the
whole 250 GB as one partition. And, ... that worked. it took a little
doing to get the right drivers for the card in spite of them providing an
install CD; got 2 driver files from their site that helped. you can now
install 8 ea HD devices like: 6ea 500 GB HDs, CDRW and DVDRW on win 98
with virtual unlimited mem storage.

Now, you can try it without going down the wrong pathways.

ssome


"ssome" wrote in message
. ..
For Windows 98SE and ME, you need a PCI controller card to use an EIDE

hard
drive larger than 137GB without risking data corruption. The drivers for

the
controller card enable large drive support in the operating system,

while
the card itself provides the hardware support needed for the PC to

recognize
the full drive capacity.

WD Lifeguard s/w and Fdisk only let me create a partition of 137 GB max.
the rest of the HD goes to waste. screwed by the mfgrs again.

ssome

"J. P. Gilliver" wrote in message
...
"ssome" wrote in message
. ..
i'm running 3 HDs on two machines now, both with win 98SE

i run the 3rd HD on the secondary cable along with the CDR; slower

this
way, but extra mem is worth it. use it for storage and not

interactive
apps.
[]
I thought that bit about "same cable as CDR makes it slower" was only

true
for IDE, not EIDE? (If not, then what _is_ the "enhancement" the E

stands
for?) [True IDE-only drives are years ago - I am pretty sure even CDRs

have
been EIDE for many years.]








  #47  
Old March 20th 07, 03:42 AM posted to microsoft.public.win98.performance
ssome
External Usenet User
 
Posts: 85
Default Hard drive larger then 120GB question

Addendum

250 GB, filled half way, 119 GB
scandisk ran out of room and win ME defrag did too
looks like although you can write to all 250, these two utils only see
119/120 not 119/250
is there a win 98 ME scandisk dwnld that is better than SE ver?

ssome

"ssome" wrote in message
. ..
The whole story

We bought 60 and 80 GB HDs and couldn't get win 98 SE to Fdisk them.

Store
didn't know or want to tell us how to correct the problem. i got on NGs
and the web for HD mfgr sites asking questions and found that WD HDs,
Western Digital, had 2 utils for win 98 - one for a new HD in a new
computer where DOS had to be used. and one for a new HD in a win 98

system
up and running. this was the key to Fdisk, format and use. Until ...

Your machine's BIOS also has to be updated to accept HD larger than 32 GB,
an earlier limit. Once this is done then you can work with HDs up to the
win 98 limit of 137 GB. But, i found a HD that is 250 GB for only $60 -
so, how to make that work.

i figured i could partition (Fdisk) the 250 into 2 ea 125 GB partitions

that
would then be within the 137 GB limit. this was a waste of hours.

the secret was to buy a $20 PCI card that is a HD Controller that has no
virtual limit. then i tried to partition it again pwrd thru this card
...and that was again a mistake. the new cntrlr can let win 98 'see' the
whole 250 GB as one partition. And, ... that worked. it took a little
doing to get the right drivers for the card in spite of them providing an
install CD; got 2 driver files from their site that helped. you can now
install 8 ea HD devices like: 6ea 500 GB HDs, CDRW and DVDRW on win 98
with virtual unlimited mem storage.

Now, you can try it without going down the wrong pathways.

ssome


"ssome" wrote in message
. ..
For Windows 98SE and ME, you need a PCI controller card to use an EIDE

hard
drive larger than 137GB without risking data corruption. The drivers for

the
controller card enable large drive support in the operating system,

while
the card itself provides the hardware support needed for the PC to

recognize
the full drive capacity.

WD Lifeguard s/w and Fdisk only let me create a partition of 137 GB max.
the rest of the HD goes to waste. screwed by the mfgrs again.

ssome

"J. P. Gilliver" wrote in message
...
"ssome" wrote in message
. ..
i'm running 3 HDs on two machines now, both with win 98SE

i run the 3rd HD on the secondary cable along with the CDR; slower

this
way, but extra mem is worth it. use it for storage and not

interactive
apps.
[]
I thought that bit about "same cable as CDR makes it slower" was only

true
for IDE, not EIDE? (If not, then what _is_ the "enhancement" the E

stands
for?) [True IDE-only drives are years ago - I am pretty sure even CDRs

have
been EIDE for many years.]








  #48  
Old March 21st 07, 02:44 AM posted to microsoft.public.win98.performance
ssome
External Usenet User
 
Posts: 85
Default Hard drive larger then 120GB question

Tried moving 25 GB of data out of the 250 GB drive,
and re-scandisk/defrag on it (91 GB/250)
didn't work, either

need better (free) scan and defrag for win 98 SE that will work with HDs
over 137 GB

ssome

"ssome" wrote in message
. ..
The whole story

We bought 60 and 80 GB HDs and couldn't get win 98 SE to Fdisk them.

Store
didn't know or want to tell us how to correct the problem. i got on NGs
and the web for HD mfgr sites asking questions and found that WD HDs,
Western Digital, had 2 utils for win 98 - one for a new HD in a new
computer where DOS had to be used. and one for a new HD in a win 98

system
up and running. this was the key to Fdisk, format and use. Until ...

Your machine's BIOS also has to be updated to accept HD larger than 32 GB,
an earlier limit. Once this is done then you can work with HDs up to the
win 98 limit of 137 GB. But, i found a HD that is 250 GB for only $60 -
so, how to make that work.

i figured i could partition (Fdisk) the 250 into 2 ea 125 GB partitions

that
would then be within the 137 GB limit. this was a waste of hours.

the secret was to buy a $20 PCI card that is a HD Controller that has no
virtual limit. then i tried to partition it again pwrd thru this card
...and that was again a mistake. the new cntrlr can let win 98 'see' the
whole 250 GB as one partition. And, ... that worked. it took a little
doing to get the right drivers for the card in spite of them providing an
install CD; got 2 driver files from their site that helped. you can now
install 8 ea HD devices like: 6ea 500 GB HDs, CDRW and DVDRW on win 98
with virtual unlimited mem storage.

Now, you can try it without going down the wrong pathways.

ssome


"ssome" wrote in message
. ..
For Windows 98SE and ME, you need a PCI controller card to use an EIDE

hard
drive larger than 137GB without risking data corruption. The drivers for

the
controller card enable large drive support in the operating system,

while
the card itself provides the hardware support needed for the PC to

recognize
the full drive capacity.

WD Lifeguard s/w and Fdisk only let me create a partition of 137 GB max.
the rest of the HD goes to waste. screwed by the mfgrs again.

ssome

"J. P. Gilliver" wrote in message
...
"ssome" wrote in message
. ..
i'm running 3 HDs on two machines now, both with win 98SE

i run the 3rd HD on the secondary cable along with the CDR; slower

this
way, but extra mem is worth it. use it for storage and not

interactive
apps.
[]
I thought that bit about "same cable as CDR makes it slower" was only

true
for IDE, not EIDE? (If not, then what _is_ the "enhancement" the E

stands
for?) [True IDE-only drives are years ago - I am pretty sure even CDRs

have
been EIDE for many years.]








  #49  
Old March 21st 07, 02:44 AM posted to microsoft.public.win98.performance
ssome
External Usenet User
 
Posts: 85
Default Hard drive larger then 120GB question

Tried moving 25 GB of data out of the 250 GB drive,
and re-scandisk/defrag on it (91 GB/250)
didn't work, either

need better (free) scan and defrag for win 98 SE that will work with HDs
over 137 GB

ssome

"ssome" wrote in message
. ..
The whole story

We bought 60 and 80 GB HDs and couldn't get win 98 SE to Fdisk them.

Store
didn't know or want to tell us how to correct the problem. i got on NGs
and the web for HD mfgr sites asking questions and found that WD HDs,
Western Digital, had 2 utils for win 98 - one for a new HD in a new
computer where DOS had to be used. and one for a new HD in a win 98

system
up and running. this was the key to Fdisk, format and use. Until ...

Your machine's BIOS also has to be updated to accept HD larger than 32 GB,
an earlier limit. Once this is done then you can work with HDs up to the
win 98 limit of 137 GB. But, i found a HD that is 250 GB for only $60 -
so, how to make that work.

i figured i could partition (Fdisk) the 250 into 2 ea 125 GB partitions

that
would then be within the 137 GB limit. this was a waste of hours.

the secret was to buy a $20 PCI card that is a HD Controller that has no
virtual limit. then i tried to partition it again pwrd thru this card
...and that was again a mistake. the new cntrlr can let win 98 'see' the
whole 250 GB as one partition. And, ... that worked. it took a little
doing to get the right drivers for the card in spite of them providing an
install CD; got 2 driver files from their site that helped. you can now
install 8 ea HD devices like: 6ea 500 GB HDs, CDRW and DVDRW on win 98
with virtual unlimited mem storage.

Now, you can try it without going down the wrong pathways.

ssome


"ssome" wrote in message
. ..
For Windows 98SE and ME, you need a PCI controller card to use an EIDE

hard
drive larger than 137GB without risking data corruption. The drivers for

the
controller card enable large drive support in the operating system,

while
the card itself provides the hardware support needed for the PC to

recognize
the full drive capacity.

WD Lifeguard s/w and Fdisk only let me create a partition of 137 GB max.
the rest of the HD goes to waste. screwed by the mfgrs again.

ssome

"J. P. Gilliver" wrote in message
...
"ssome" wrote in message
. ..
i'm running 3 HDs on two machines now, both with win 98SE

i run the 3rd HD on the secondary cable along with the CDR; slower

this
way, but extra mem is worth it. use it for storage and not

interactive
apps.
[]
I thought that bit about "same cable as CDR makes it slower" was only

true
for IDE, not EIDE? (If not, then what _is_ the "enhancement" the E

stands
for?) [True IDE-only drives are years ago - I am pretty sure even CDRs

have
been EIDE for many years.]








  #50  
Old March 21st 07, 04:25 AM posted to microsoft.public.win98.performance
Gary S. Terhune
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Posts: 147
Default Hard drive larger then 120GB question

No data is safe on a HD over 137 GB using Windows 98/98SE. That is to say,
no partition that is accessible by those OSes should extend beyond that
limit.

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS-MVP Shell/User
www.grystmill.com


"ssome" wrote in message
. ..
Tried moving 25 GB of data out of the 250 GB drive,
and re-scandisk/defrag on it (91 GB/250)
didn't work, either

need better (free) scan and defrag for win 98 SE that will work with HDs
over 137 GB

ssome

"ssome" wrote in message
. ..
The whole story

We bought 60 and 80 GB HDs and couldn't get win 98 SE to Fdisk them.

Store
didn't know or want to tell us how to correct the problem. i got on NGs
and the web for HD mfgr sites asking questions and found that WD HDs,
Western Digital, had 2 utils for win 98 - one for a new HD in a new
computer where DOS had to be used. and one for a new HD in a win 98

system
up and running. this was the key to Fdisk, format and use. Until ...

Your machine's BIOS also has to be updated to accept HD larger than 32
GB,
an earlier limit. Once this is done then you can work with HDs up to the
win 98 limit of 137 GB. But, i found a HD that is 250 GB for only $60 -
so, how to make that work.

i figured i could partition (Fdisk) the 250 into 2 ea 125 GB partitions

that
would then be within the 137 GB limit. this was a waste of hours.

the secret was to buy a $20 PCI card that is a HD Controller that has no
virtual limit. then i tried to partition it again pwrd thru this card
...and that was again a mistake. the new cntrlr can let win 98 'see' the
whole 250 GB as one partition. And, ... that worked. it took a little
doing to get the right drivers for the card in spite of them providing an
install CD; got 2 driver files from their site that helped. you can
now
install 8 ea HD devices like: 6ea 500 GB HDs, CDRW and DVDRW on win 98
with virtual unlimited mem storage.

Now, you can try it without going down the wrong pathways.

ssome


"ssome" wrote in message
. ..
For Windows 98SE and ME, you need a PCI controller card to use an EIDE

hard
drive larger than 137GB without risking data corruption. The drivers
for

the
controller card enable large drive support in the operating system,

while
the card itself provides the hardware support needed for the PC to

recognize
the full drive capacity.

WD Lifeguard s/w and Fdisk only let me create a partition of 137 GB
max.
the rest of the HD goes to waste. screwed by the mfgrs again.

ssome

"J. P. Gilliver" wrote in message
...
"ssome" wrote in message
. ..
i'm running 3 HDs on two machines now, both with win 98SE

i run the 3rd HD on the secondary cable along with the CDR; slower

this
way, but extra mem is worth it. use it for storage and not

interactive
apps.
[]
I thought that bit about "same cable as CDR makes it slower" was only

true
for IDE, not EIDE? (If not, then what _is_ the "enhancement" the E

stands
for?) [True IDE-only drives are years ago - I am pretty sure even
CDRs
have
been EIDE for many years.]










 




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