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Win98 boots up very slowly...
You may want to try removing NAV completely, to see whether that improves
things. http://basconotw.mvps.org/SymRem.htm -- Noel Paton (MS-MVP 2002-2006, Windows) Nil Carborundum Illegitemi http://www.crashfixpc.com/millsrpch.htm http://tinyurl.com/6oztj Please read http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm on how to post messages to NG's "Steve L" slupardi at comcast dot net wrote in message ... Update. Did full NAV scan and spyware scan. Did selective startup, safe mode startup etc. Still big startup delay. I used no sounds or wallpaper either. I have a question; When I added wallpaper (pic of car), a blank desktop stays on during the delay, and then the wallpaper and icons load. Is this normal;or should the wallpaper be loaded and then the delay? Is this something to do with video-mode switching if it isn't normal? Thanks. Steve "Steve L" slupardi at comcast dot net wrote in message ... DMA is enabled. HD Tach shows 9% to 12% over several consecutive tests. It jumped to 18.8% once and 17.4% once, but averages between 9% and 12%. Anyone have any ideas ( but no format and reinstall please) that I may try? Also, thanks to MDP for his/her persistence in this issue. I will keep searching for a resolution. Steve "mdp" wrote in message ... That is odd that BLA is not recording the time you're experiencing. Don't know what to think about that. Another shot in the dark. HD access time could slow it down. Check your HDs to make sure DMA is enabled. Right click My Computer, Properties, Device Mgr, Disk Drives, Properties, Settings. The utility HDTach will also check it for you. A very high CPU Utilization (over 10-15%) indicates DMA is not enabled. http://www.simplisoftware.com/Public...uest=HdTach2.7 "Steve L" slupardi at comcast dot net wrote in message ... I removed all TCP/IP entries and reinstalled them as you suggested to get the defaults, but no joy. Still a 2 1/2 minute boot up. I did a full up to date virus scan last nite and had 0 problems from 131,000 files. I cleared all caches, uninstalled unneeded programs, ran spyware again and still no improvements. I doublechecked for any duplicate entries in control panel and looked for any conflicts or settings that may be wrong. This is a real challenge. I think we'll all learn something when this problem gets resolved. Thanks for your continued help. Steve "mdp" wrote in message ... Since it's back to trial and error, another suggestion. You may have some parameters mis-configured (e.g. Bindings, WINS, DNS, etc). To reset them to defaults, right click on Network Neighborhood and select Properties. 'Remove' all TCP/IP entries and reinstall (you may want to reboot after deleting them before attempting to reinstall). To install, choose 'Add' then select Protocol/Microsoft/TCP/IP. Installing DUN 1.4 (I realize this is for dial-up) may reset other parameters as well as the TCP/IP stack. http://support.microsoft.com/default...;EN-US;q285189 "Steve L" slupardi at comcast dot net wrote in message ... I tried your suggestions. There are no duplicates of anything in Device Manager. I reinstalled the NIC/drivers and same problem. I had originally 'fooled' with it via settings (not physically) and tried updating the driver and also tried different settings in "Network' in control panel. I did a "Goback "restore the next day and everything seems back to the normal settings, but the problem persists. Any other ideas on this challenging problem? Thanks. Steve "mdp" wrote in message ... I'll move over to this thread. Did you check in Safe Mode to verify you don't have duplicate entries for the NIC, or anything else for that matter. Since the problem started after you "fooled" with the NIC, I would say that's your best clue and recommend focusing on the NIC. Deleting it in safe mode then reinstalling is a surest way to ensure only one is installed and hopefully installed correctly. I recommend the following steps in the order shown: 1. Boot to safe mode. Delete all NICs. Shutdown 2. Physically uninstall the NIC 3. Reboot and press F8 to select enable bootlog.txt during boot. Check your boot times. Shutdown. 4. Physically install the NIC 5. Reboot. Install the NIC drivers when asked. Reboot (Windows should ask to do this) BTW - What does "fooled with" mean? "Steve L" slupardi at comcast dot net wrote in message ... Alan, Yes, I have already removed the network card via control panel and then reinstalled it using the card's original disk. No difference with the slow startup. This darn thing has me stumped. It just went from a normal 30 -45 second boot to a 3 minute delayed boot in 1 day. Norton Antivirus (with up to date signatures) was run as well as many spyware/adware proggies. Any other ideas are welcome. Steve "Alan" wrote in message ... Have you tried reinstalling the device in Device Manager? If you want to do it you must go to safe mode, delete it and boot to normal. Check the Device Manager in normal mode first to see what you have, you may even find that you have some "ghost duplicate" entries in safe mode. When Windows reboots from safe mode, it will go through a process identifying any new hardware etc and reinstall it. Suggest you insert your Windows CD rom in the reader before going to safe mode, cancelling the auto install. When windows restarts it will look for drivers for the "new" hardware and reinstall. Alan "Steve L" slupardi at comcast dot net wrote in message ... Thank you for the suggestion. I have already made the Quick Logon setting but still no help. Any other ideas are welcome. Steve "PattyL" wrote in message ... In the network properties, Client for Microsoft Networks properties, make sure that you have selected Quick logon rather than Logon and restore network connections under Network logon options. That way the system does not attempt to establish a session with other computers on the network until you attempt to access one. PattyL "Steve L" slupardi at comcast dot net wrote in message ... Last week I fooled with my LinkSys LNE100 network card. Now WIN98 (1st edition) boots very slow. It stays on the blank desktop for over 2 minutes, then the icons start to load and everything goes as normal. I reinstalled the network card drivers several times, did updated NAV scans, spyware checks etc. A boot log analysis shows Ndis2sup.vxd failed (but I read that's normal). This is not a ram problem or such. There must be some setting or conflict with something. I suspect that windows is having a hard time finding something (like a network ) at start up. Any ideas, either network or other? Thanks. Steve L |
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Win98 boots up very slowly...
Another hunch, have you tried uninstalling or disabling Goback?
"Noel Paton" wrote in message ... You may want to try removing NAV completely, to see whether that improves things. http://basconotw.mvps.org/SymRem.htm -- Noel Paton (MS-MVP 2002-2006, Windows) Nil Carborundum Illegitemi http://www.crashfixpc.com/millsrpch.htm http://tinyurl.com/6oztj Please read http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm on how to post messages to NG's "Steve L" slupardi at comcast dot net wrote in message ... Update. Did full NAV scan and spyware scan. Did selective startup, safe mode startup etc. Still big startup delay. I used no sounds or wallpaper either. I have a question; When I added wallpaper (pic of car), a blank desktop stays on during the delay, and then the wallpaper and icons load. Is this normal;or should the wallpaper be loaded and then the delay? Is this something to do with video-mode switching if it isn't normal? Thanks. Steve "Steve L" slupardi at comcast dot net wrote in message ... DMA is enabled. HD Tach shows 9% to 12% over several consecutive tests. It jumped to 18.8% once and 17.4% once, but averages between 9% and 12%. Anyone have any ideas ( but no format and reinstall please) that I may try? Also, thanks to MDP for his/her persistence in this issue. I will keep searching for a resolution. Steve "mdp" wrote in message ... That is odd that BLA is not recording the time you're experiencing. Don't know what to think about that. Another shot in the dark. HD access time could slow it down. Check your HDs to make sure DMA is enabled. Right click My Computer, Properties, Device Mgr, Disk Drives, Properties, Settings. The utility HDTach will also check it for you. A very high CPU Utilization (over 10-15%) indicates DMA is not enabled. http://www.simplisoftware.com/Public...uest=HdTach2.7 "Steve L" slupardi at comcast dot net wrote in message ... I removed all TCP/IP entries and reinstalled them as you suggested to get the defaults, but no joy. Still a 2 1/2 minute boot up. I did a full up to date virus scan last nite and had 0 problems from 131,000 files. I cleared all caches, uninstalled unneeded programs, ran spyware again and still no improvements. I doublechecked for any duplicate entries in control panel and looked for any conflicts or settings that may be wrong. This is a real challenge. I think we'll all learn something when this problem gets resolved. Thanks for your continued help. Steve "mdp" wrote in message ... Since it's back to trial and error, another suggestion. You may have some parameters mis-configured (e.g. Bindings, WINS, DNS, etc). To reset them to defaults, right click on Network Neighborhood and select Properties. 'Remove' all TCP/IP entries and reinstall (you may want to reboot after deleting them before attempting to reinstall). To install, choose 'Add' then select Protocol/Microsoft/TCP/IP. Installing DUN 1.4 (I realize this is for dial-up) may reset other parameters as well as the TCP/IP stack. http://support.microsoft.com/default...;EN-US;q285189 "Steve L" slupardi at comcast dot net wrote in message ... I tried your suggestions. There are no duplicates of anything in Device Manager. I reinstalled the NIC/drivers and same problem. I had originally 'fooled' with it via settings (not physically) and tried updating the driver and also tried different settings in "Network' in control panel. I did a "Goback "restore the next day and everything seems back to the normal settings, but the problem persists. Any other ideas on this challenging problem? Thanks. Steve "mdp" wrote in message ... I'll move over to this thread. Did you check in Safe Mode to verify you don't have duplicate entries for the NIC, or anything else for that matter. Since the problem started after you "fooled" with the NIC, I would say that's your best clue and recommend focusing on the NIC. Deleting it in safe mode then reinstalling is a surest way to ensure only one is installed and hopefully installed correctly. I recommend the following steps in the order shown: 1. Boot to safe mode. Delete all NICs. Shutdown 2. Physically uninstall the NIC 3. Reboot and press F8 to select enable bootlog.txt during boot. Check your boot times. Shutdown. 4. Physically install the NIC 5. Reboot. Install the NIC drivers when asked. Reboot (Windows should ask to do this) BTW - What does "fooled with" mean? "Steve L" slupardi at comcast dot net wrote in message ... Alan, Yes, I have already removed the network card via control panel and then reinstalled it using the card's original disk. No difference with the slow startup. This darn thing has me stumped. It just went from a normal 30 -45 second boot to a 3 minute delayed boot in 1 day. Norton Antivirus (with up to date signatures) was run as well as many spyware/adware proggies. Any other ideas are welcome. Steve "Alan" wrote in message ... Have you tried reinstalling the device in Device Manager? If you want to do it you must go to safe mode, delete it and boot to normal. Check the Device Manager in normal mode first to see what you have, you may even find that you have some "ghost duplicate" entries in safe mode. When Windows reboots from safe mode, it will go through a process identifying any new hardware etc and reinstall it. Suggest you insert your Windows CD rom in the reader before going to safe mode, cancelling the auto install. When windows restarts it will look for drivers for the "new" hardware and reinstall. Alan "Steve L" slupardi at comcast dot net wrote in message ... Thank you for the suggestion. I have already made the Quick Logon setting but still no help. Any other ideas are welcome. Steve "PattyL" wrote in message ... In the network properties, Client for Microsoft Networks properties, make sure that you have selected Quick logon rather than Logon and restore network connections under Network logon options. That way the system does not attempt to establish a session with other computers on the network until you attempt to access one. PattyL "Steve L" slupardi at comcast dot net wrote in message ... Last week I fooled with my LinkSys LNE100 network card. Now WIN98 (1st edition) boots very slow. It stays on the blank desktop for over 2 minutes, then the icons start to load and everything goes as normal. I reinstalled the network card drivers several times, did updated NAV scans, spyware checks etc. A boot log analysis shows Ndis2sup.vxd failed (but I read that's normal). This is not a ram problem or such. There must be some setting or conflict with something. I suspect that windows is having a hard time finding something (like a network ) at start up. Any ideas, either network or other? Thanks. 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Win98 boots up very slowly...
Good and bad news here. I went to my startup list in MSconfig and checked
everything eg all norton stuff, Goback, etc and on the next boot (still delayed) a Norton error popped up. I then was instructed to go to the symantec website and download an update. I do this every day anyways. Then on the next boot, the system started correctly with no delay! But on the very next boot, the delay was there again! I then removed everything Norton/Symantec from the add/remove panel and used the 3 special utilities on the Symantec web site and followed their instructions to remove all traces of their products. I figured this would cure it, no luck, still delayed bootup. I used registry repair utilities and clean ups to scrub the registry of any orphan entries and anything on the PC with the Norton/Symantec name. Still no luck. This was probably caused buy a Norton problem, but the problem persists after removing all products correctly. Can it still be Norton product traces? Or do you think it could be something else still? Thanks in advance for your help guys. Steve "mdp" wrote in message ... Another hunch, have you tried uninstalling or disabling Goback? "Noel Paton" wrote in message ... You may want to try removing NAV completely, to see whether that improves things. http://basconotw.mvps.org/SymRem.htm -- Noel Paton (MS-MVP 2002-2006, Windows) Nil Carborundum Illegitemi http://www.crashfixpc.com/millsrpch.htm http://tinyurl.com/6oztj Please read http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm on how to post messages to NG's "Steve L" slupardi at comcast dot net wrote in message ... Update. Did full NAV scan and spyware scan. Did selective startup, safe mode startup etc. Still big startup delay. I used no sounds or wallpaper either. I have a question; When I added wallpaper (pic of car), a blank desktop stays on during the delay, and then the wallpaper and icons load. Is this normal;or should the wallpaper be loaded and then the delay? Is this something to do with video-mode switching if it isn't normal? Thanks. Steve "Steve L" slupardi at comcast dot net wrote in message ... DMA is enabled. HD Tach shows 9% to 12% over several consecutive tests. It jumped to 18.8% once and 17.4% once, but averages between 9% and 12%. Anyone have any ideas ( but no format and reinstall please) that I may try? Also, thanks to MDP for his/her persistence in this issue. I will keep searching for a resolution. Steve "mdp" wrote in message ... That is odd that BLA is not recording the time you're experiencing. Don't know what to think about that. Another shot in the dark. HD access time could slow it down. Check your HDs to make sure DMA is enabled. Right click My Computer, Properties, Device Mgr, Disk Drives, Properties, Settings. The utility HDTach will also check it for you. A very high CPU Utilization (over 10-15%) indicates DMA is not enabled. http://www.simplisoftware.com/Public...uest=HdTach2.7 "Steve L" slupardi at comcast dot net wrote in message ... I removed all TCP/IP entries and reinstalled them as you suggested to get the defaults, but no joy. Still a 2 1/2 minute boot up. I did a full up to date virus scan last nite and had 0 problems from 131,000 files. I cleared all caches, uninstalled unneeded programs, ran spyware again and still no improvements. I doublechecked for any duplicate entries in control panel and looked for any conflicts or settings that may be wrong. This is a real challenge. I think we'll all learn something when this problem gets resolved. Thanks for your continued help. Steve "mdp" wrote in message ... Since it's back to trial and error, another suggestion. You may have some parameters mis-configured (e.g. Bindings, WINS, DNS, etc). To reset them to defaults, right click on Network Neighborhood and select Properties. 'Remove' all TCP/IP entries and reinstall (you may want to reboot after deleting them before attempting to reinstall). To install, choose 'Add' then select Protocol/Microsoft/TCP/IP. Installing DUN 1.4 (I realize this is for dial-up) may reset other parameters as well as the TCP/IP stack. http://support.microsoft.com/default...;EN-US;q285189 "Steve L" slupardi at comcast dot net wrote in message ... I tried your suggestions. There are no duplicates of anything in Device Manager. I reinstalled the NIC/drivers and same problem. I had originally 'fooled' with it via settings (not physically) and tried updating the driver and also tried different settings in "Network' in control panel. I did a "Goback "restore the next day and everything seems back to the normal settings, but the problem persists. Any other ideas on this challenging problem? Thanks. Steve "mdp" wrote in message ... I'll move over to this thread. Did you check in Safe Mode to verify you don't have duplicate entries for the NIC, or anything else for that matter. Since the problem started after you "fooled" with the NIC, I would say that's your best clue and recommend focusing on the NIC. Deleting it in safe mode then reinstalling is a surest way to ensure only one is installed and hopefully installed correctly. I recommend the following steps in the order shown: 1. Boot to safe mode. Delete all NICs. Shutdown 2. Physically uninstall the NIC 3. Reboot and press F8 to select enable bootlog.txt during boot. Check your boot times. Shutdown. 4. Physically install the NIC 5. Reboot. Install the NIC drivers when asked. Reboot (Windows should ask to do this) BTW - What does "fooled with" mean? "Steve L" slupardi at comcast dot net wrote in message ... Alan, Yes, I have already removed the network card via control panel and then reinstalled it using the card's original disk. No difference with the slow startup. This darn thing has me stumped. It just went from a normal 30 -45 second boot to a 3 minute delayed boot in 1 day. Norton Antivirus (with up to date signatures) was run as well as many spyware/adware proggies. Any other ideas are welcome. Steve "Alan" wrote in message ... Have you tried reinstalling the device in Device Manager? If you want to do it you must go to safe mode, delete it and boot to normal. Check the Device Manager in normal mode first to see what you have, you may even find that you have some "ghost duplicate" entries in safe mode. When Windows reboots from safe mode, it will go through a process identifying any new hardware etc and reinstall it. Suggest you insert your Windows CD rom in the reader before going to safe mode, cancelling the auto install. When windows restarts it will look for drivers for the "new" hardware and reinstall. Alan "Steve L" slupardi at comcast dot net wrote in message ... Thank you for the suggestion. I have already made the Quick Logon setting but still no help. Any other ideas are welcome. Steve "PattyL" wrote in message ... In the network properties, Client for Microsoft Networks properties, make sure that you have selected Quick logon rather than Logon and restore network connections under Network logon options. That way the system does not attempt to establish a session with other computers on the network until you attempt to access one. PattyL "Steve L" slupardi at comcast dot net wrote in message ... Last week I fooled with my LinkSys LNE100 network card. Now WIN98 (1st edition) boots very slow. It stays on the blank desktop for over 2 minutes, then the icons start to load and everything goes as normal. I reinstalled the network card drivers several times, did updated NAV scans, spyware checks etc. A boot log analysis shows Ndis2sup.vxd failed (but I read that's normal). This is not a ram problem or such. There must be some setting or conflict with something. I suspect that windows is having a hard time finding something (like a network ) at start up. Any ideas, either network or other? Thanks. 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Win98 boots up very slowly...
If you disabled GoBack through MSCONFIG, then you will have problems - I
would suggest uninstalling it completely, and rechecking - you can then reinstall it (if you really insist ) -- Noel Paton (MS-MVP 2002-2006, Windows) Nil Carborundum Illegitemi http://www.crashfixpc.com/millsrpch.htm http://tinyurl.com/6oztj Please read http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm on how to post messages to NG's "Steve L" slupardi at comcast dot net wrote in message ... Good and bad news here. I went to my startup list in MSconfig and checked everything eg all norton stuff, Goback, etc and on the next boot (still delayed) a Norton error popped up. I then was instructed to go to the symantec website and download an update. I do this every day anyways. Then on the next boot, the system started correctly with no delay! But on the very next boot, the delay was there again! I then removed everything Norton/Symantec from the add/remove panel and used the 3 special utilities on the Symantec web site and followed their instructions to remove all traces of their products. I figured this would cure it, no luck, still delayed bootup. I used registry repair utilities and clean ups to scrub the registry of any orphan entries and anything on the PC with the Norton/Symantec name. Still no luck. This was probably caused buy a Norton problem, but the problem persists after removing all products correctly. Can it still be Norton product traces? Or do you think it could be something else still? Thanks in advance for your help guys. Steve "mdp" wrote in message ... Another hunch, have you tried uninstalling or disabling Goback? "Noel Paton" wrote in message ... You may want to try removing NAV completely, to see whether that improves things. http://basconotw.mvps.org/SymRem.htm -- Noel Paton (MS-MVP 2002-2006, Windows) Nil Carborundum Illegitemi http://www.crashfixpc.com/millsrpch.htm http://tinyurl.com/6oztj Please read http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm on how to post messages to NG's "Steve L" slupardi at comcast dot net wrote in message ... Update. Did full NAV scan and spyware scan. Did selective startup, safe mode startup etc. Still big startup delay. I used no sounds or wallpaper either. I have a question; When I added wallpaper (pic of car), a blank desktop stays on during the delay, and then the wallpaper and icons load. Is this normal;or should the wallpaper be loaded and then the delay? Is this something to do with video-mode switching if it isn't normal? Thanks. Steve "Steve L" slupardi at comcast dot net wrote in message ... DMA is enabled. HD Tach shows 9% to 12% over several consecutive tests. It jumped to 18.8% once and 17.4% once, but averages between 9% and 12%. Anyone have any ideas ( but no format and reinstall please) that I may try? Also, thanks to MDP for his/her persistence in this issue. I will keep searching for a resolution. Steve "mdp" wrote in message ... That is odd that BLA is not recording the time you're experiencing. Don't know what to think about that. Another shot in the dark. HD access time could slow it down. Check your HDs to make sure DMA is enabled. Right click My Computer, Properties, Device Mgr, Disk Drives, Properties, Settings. The utility HDTach will also check it for you. A very high CPU Utilization (over 10-15%) indicates DMA is not enabled. http://www.simplisoftware.com/Public...uest=HdTach2.7 "Steve L" slupardi at comcast dot net wrote in message ... I removed all TCP/IP entries and reinstalled them as you suggested to get the defaults, but no joy. Still a 2 1/2 minute boot up. I did a full up to date virus scan last nite and had 0 problems from 131,000 files. I cleared all caches, uninstalled unneeded programs, ran spyware again and still no improvements. I doublechecked for any duplicate entries in control panel and looked for any conflicts or settings that may be wrong. This is a real challenge. I think we'll all learn something when this problem gets resolved. Thanks for your continued help. Steve "mdp" wrote in message ... Since it's back to trial and error, another suggestion. You may have some parameters mis-configured (e.g. Bindings, WINS, DNS, etc). To reset them to defaults, right click on Network Neighborhood and select Properties. 'Remove' all TCP/IP entries and reinstall (you may want to reboot after deleting them before attempting to reinstall). To install, choose 'Add' then select Protocol/Microsoft/TCP/IP. Installing DUN 1.4 (I realize this is for dial-up) may reset other parameters as well as the TCP/IP stack. http://support.microsoft.com/default...;EN-US;q285189 "Steve L" slupardi at comcast dot net wrote in message ... I tried your suggestions. There are no duplicates of anything in Device Manager. I reinstalled the NIC/drivers and same problem. I had originally 'fooled' with it via settings (not physically) and tried updating the driver and also tried different settings in "Network' in control panel. I did a "Goback "restore the next day and everything seems back to the normal settings, but the problem persists. Any other ideas on this challenging problem? Thanks. Steve "mdp" wrote in message ... I'll move over to this thread. Did you check in Safe Mode to verify you don't have duplicate entries for the NIC, or anything else for that matter. Since the problem started after you "fooled" with the NIC, I would say that's your best clue and recommend focusing on the NIC. Deleting it in safe mode then reinstalling is a surest way to ensure only one is installed and hopefully installed correctly. I recommend the following steps in the order shown: 1. Boot to safe mode. Delete all NICs. Shutdown 2. Physically uninstall the NIC 3. Reboot and press F8 to select enable bootlog.txt during boot. Check your boot times. Shutdown. 4. Physically install the NIC 5. Reboot. Install the NIC drivers when asked. Reboot (Windows should ask to do this) BTW - What does "fooled with" mean? "Steve L" slupardi at comcast dot net wrote in message ... Alan, Yes, I have already removed the network card via control panel and then reinstalled it using the card's original disk. No difference with the slow startup. This darn thing has me stumped. It just went from a normal 30 -45 second boot to a 3 minute delayed boot in 1 day. Norton Antivirus (with up to date signatures) was run as well as many spyware/adware proggies. Any other ideas are welcome. Steve "Alan" wrote in message ... Have you tried reinstalling the device in Device Manager? If you want to do it you must go to safe mode, delete it and boot to normal. Check the Device Manager in normal mode first to see what you have, you may even find that you have some "ghost duplicate" entries in safe mode. When Windows reboots from safe mode, it will go through a process identifying any new hardware etc and reinstall it. Suggest you insert your Windows CD rom in the reader before going to safe mode, cancelling the auto install. When windows restarts it will look for drivers for the "new" hardware and reinstall. Alan "Steve L" slupardi at comcast dot net wrote in message ... Thank you for the suggestion. I have already made the Quick Logon setting but still no help. Any other ideas are welcome. Steve "PattyL" wrote in message ... In the network properties, Client for Microsoft Networks properties, make sure that you have selected Quick logon rather than Logon and restore network connections under Network logon options. That way the system does not attempt to establish a session with other computers on the network until you attempt to access one. PattyL "Steve L" slupardi at comcast dot net wrote in message ... Last week I fooled with my LinkSys LNE100 network card. Now WIN98 (1st edition) boots very slow. It stays on the blank desktop for over 2 minutes, then the icons start to load and everything goes as normal. I reinstalled the network card drivers several times, did updated NAV scans, spyware checks etc. A boot log analysis shows Ndis2sup.vxd failed (but I read that's normal). This is not a ram problem or such. There must be some setting or conflict with something. I suspect that windows is having a hard time finding something (like a network ) at start up. Any ideas, either network or other? Thanks. Steve L |
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Win98 boots up very slowly...
I agree. Don't use Msconfig to disable Goback or anything else
Norton/Symantec. Uninstall it/them or disable Goback within Systemworks. The reason I mentioned Goback in the first place was I recall it causing boot problems in a machine I worked on a few weeks ago. We decided to disable (not uninstall) and everything cleared up. You may be onto something. "Steve L" slupardi at comcast dot net wrote in message ... Good and bad news here. I went to my startup list in MSconfig and checked everything eg all norton stuff, Goback, etc and on the next boot (still delayed) a Norton error popped up. I then was instructed to go to the symantec website and download an update. I do this every day anyways. Then on the next boot, the system started correctly with no delay! But on the very next boot, the delay was there again! I then removed everything Norton/Symantec from the add/remove panel and used the 3 special utilities on the Symantec web site and followed their instructions to remove all traces of their products. I figured this would cure it, no luck, still delayed bootup. I used registry repair utilities and clean ups to scrub the registry of any orphan entries and anything on the PC with the Norton/Symantec name. Still no luck. This was probably caused buy a Norton problem, but the problem persists after removing all products correctly. Can it still be Norton product traces? Or do you think it could be something else still? Thanks in advance for your help guys. Steve "mdp" wrote in message ... Another hunch, have you tried uninstalling or disabling Goback? "Noel Paton" wrote in message ... You may want to try removing NAV completely, to see whether that improves things. http://basconotw.mvps.org/SymRem.htm -- Noel Paton (MS-MVP 2002-2006, Windows) Nil Carborundum Illegitemi http://www.crashfixpc.com/millsrpch.htm http://tinyurl.com/6oztj Please read http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm on how to post messages to NG's "Steve L" slupardi at comcast dot net wrote in message ... Update. Did full NAV scan and spyware scan. Did selective startup, safe mode startup etc. Still big startup delay. I used no sounds or wallpaper either. I have a question; When I added wallpaper (pic of car), a blank desktop stays on during the delay, and then the wallpaper and icons load. Is this normal;or should the wallpaper be loaded and then the delay? Is this something to do with video-mode switching if it isn't normal? Thanks. Steve "Steve L" slupardi at comcast dot net wrote in message ... DMA is enabled. HD Tach shows 9% to 12% over several consecutive tests. It jumped to 18.8% once and 17.4% once, but averages between 9% and 12%. Anyone have any ideas ( but no format and reinstall please) that I may try? Also, thanks to MDP for his/her persistence in this issue. I will keep searching for a resolution. Steve "mdp" wrote in message ... That is odd that BLA is not recording the time you're experiencing. Don't know what to think about that. Another shot in the dark. HD access time could slow it down. Check your HDs to make sure DMA is enabled. Right click My Computer, Properties, Device Mgr, Disk Drives, Properties, Settings. The utility HDTach will also check it for you. A very high CPU Utilization (over 10-15%) indicates DMA is not enabled. http://www.simplisoftware.com/Public...uest=HdTach2.7 "Steve L" slupardi at comcast dot net wrote in message ... I removed all TCP/IP entries and reinstalled them as you suggested to get the defaults, but no joy. Still a 2 1/2 minute boot up. I did a full up to date virus scan last nite and had 0 problems from 131,000 files. I cleared all caches, uninstalled unneeded programs, ran spyware again and still no improvements. I doublechecked for any duplicate entries in control panel and looked for any conflicts or settings that may be wrong. This is a real challenge. I think we'll all learn something when this problem gets resolved. Thanks for your continued help. Steve "mdp" wrote in message ... Since it's back to trial and error, another suggestion. You may have some parameters mis-configured (e.g. Bindings, WINS, DNS, etc). To reset them to defaults, right click on Network Neighborhood and select Properties. 'Remove' all TCP/IP entries and reinstall (you may want to reboot after deleting them before attempting to reinstall). To install, choose 'Add' then select Protocol/Microsoft/TCP/IP. Installing DUN 1.4 (I realize this is for dial-up) may reset other parameters as well as the TCP/IP stack. http://support.microsoft.com/default...;EN-US;q285189 "Steve L" slupardi at comcast dot net wrote in message ... I tried your suggestions. There are no duplicates of anything in Device Manager. I reinstalled the NIC/drivers and same problem. I had originally 'fooled' with it via settings (not physically) and tried updating the driver and also tried different settings in "Network' in control panel. I did a "Goback "restore the next day and everything seems back to the normal settings, but the problem persists. Any other ideas on this challenging problem? Thanks. Steve "mdp" wrote in message ... I'll move over to this thread. Did you check in Safe Mode to verify you don't have duplicate entries for the NIC, or anything else for that matter. Since the problem started after you "fooled" with the NIC, I would say that's your best clue and recommend focusing on the NIC. Deleting it in safe mode then reinstalling is a surest way to ensure only one is installed and hopefully installed correctly. I recommend the following steps in the order shown: 1. Boot to safe mode. Delete all NICs. Shutdown 2. Physically uninstall the NIC 3. Reboot and press F8 to select enable bootlog.txt during boot. Check your boot times. Shutdown. 4. Physically install the NIC 5. Reboot. Install the NIC drivers when asked. Reboot (Windows should ask to do this) BTW - What does "fooled with" mean? "Steve L" slupardi at comcast dot net wrote in message ... Alan, Yes, I have already removed the network card via control panel and then reinstalled it using the card's original disk. No difference with the slow startup. This darn thing has me stumped. It just went from a normal 30 -45 second boot to a 3 minute delayed boot in 1 day. Norton Antivirus (with up to date signatures) was run as well as many spyware/adware proggies. Any other ideas are welcome. Steve "Alan" wrote in message ... Have you tried reinstalling the device in Device Manager? If you want to do it you must go to safe mode, delete it and boot to normal. Check the Device Manager in normal mode first to see what you have, you may even find that you have some "ghost duplicate" entries in safe mode. When Windows reboots from safe mode, it will go through a process identifying any new hardware etc and reinstall it. Suggest you insert your Windows CD rom in the reader before going to safe mode, cancelling the auto install. When windows restarts it will look for drivers for the "new" hardware and reinstall. Alan "Steve L" slupardi at comcast dot net wrote in message ... Thank you for the suggestion. I have already made the Quick Logon setting but still no help. Any other ideas are welcome. Steve "PattyL" wrote in message ... In the network properties, Client for Microsoft Networks properties, make sure that you have selected Quick logon rather than Logon and restore network connections under Network logon options. That way the system does not attempt to establish a session with other computers on the network until you attempt to access one. PattyL "Steve L" slupardi at comcast dot net wrote in message ... Last week I fooled with my LinkSys LNE100 network card. Now WIN98 (1st edition) boots very slow. It stays on the blank desktop for over 2 minutes, then the icons start to load and everything goes as normal. I reinstalled the network card drivers several times, did updated NAV scans, spyware checks etc. A boot log analysis shows Ndis2sup.vxd failed (but I read that's normal). This is not a ram problem or such. There must be some setting or conflict with something. I suspect that windows is having a hard time finding something (like a network ) at start up. Any ideas, either network or other? Thanks. Steve L |
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BTW - To retrace your steps, try reinstalling all Symantec utiltities you
started with, including Goback. Go to Symantec's site and update. Then disable Goback. If that doesn't work, uninstall Goback (if it is uninstallable). mdp wrote: I agree. Don't use Msconfig to disable Goback or anything else Norton/Symantec. Uninstall it/them or disable Goback within Systemworks. The reason I mentioned Goback in the first place was I recall it causing boot problems in a machine I worked on a few weeks ago. We decided to disable (not uninstall) and everything cleared up. You may be onto something. "Steve L" slupardi at comcast dot net wrote in message ... Good and bad news here. I went to my startup list in MSconfig and checked everything eg all norton stuff, Goback, etc and on the next boot (still delayed) a Norton error popped up. I then was instructed to go to the symantec website and download an update. I do this every day anyways. Then on the next boot, the system started correctly with no delay! But on the very next boot, the delay was there again! I then removed everything Norton/Symantec from the add/remove panel and used the 3 special utilities on the Symantec web site and followed their instructions to remove all traces of their products. I figured this would cure it, no luck, still delayed bootup. I used registry repair utilities and clean ups to scrub the registry of any orphan entries and anything on the PC with the Norton/Symantec name. Still no luck. This was probably caused buy a Norton problem, but the problem persists after removing all products correctly. Can it still be Norton product traces? Or do you think it could be something else still? Thanks in advance for your help guys. Steve "mdp" wrote in message ... Another hunch, have you tried uninstalling or disabling Goback? "Noel Paton" wrote in message ... You may want to try removing NAV completely, to see whether that improves things. http://basconotw.mvps.org/SymRem.htm -- Noel Paton (MS-MVP 2002-2006, Windows) Nil Carborundum Illegitemi http://www.crashfixpc.com/millsrpch.htm http://tinyurl.com/6oztj Please read http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm on how to post messages to NG's "Steve L" slupardi at comcast dot net wrote in message ... Update. Did full NAV scan and spyware scan. Did selective startup, safe mode startup etc. Still big startup delay. I used no sounds or wallpaper either. I have a question; When I added wallpaper (pic of car), a blank desktop stays on during the delay, and then the wallpaper and icons load. Is this normal;or should the wallpaper be loaded and then the delay? Is this something to do with video-mode switching if it isn't normal? Thanks. Steve "Steve L" slupardi at comcast dot net wrote in message ... DMA is enabled. HD Tach shows 9% to 12% over several consecutive tests. It jumped to 18.8% once and 17.4% once, but averages between 9% and 12%. Anyone have any ideas ( but no format and reinstall please) that I may try? Also, thanks to MDP for his/her persistence in this issue. I will keep searching for a resolution. Steve "mdp" wrote in message ... That is odd that BLA is not recording the time you're experiencing. Don't know what to think about that. Another shot in the dark. HD access time could slow it down. Check your HDs to make sure DMA is enabled. Right click My Computer, Properties, Device Mgr, Disk Drives, Properties, Settings. The utility HDTach will also check it for you. A very high CPU Utilization (over 10-15%) indicates DMA is not enabled. http://www.simplisoftware.com/Public...uest=HdTach2.7 "Steve L" slupardi at comcast dot net wrote in message ... I removed all TCP/IP entries and reinstalled them as you suggested to get the defaults, but no joy. Still a 2 1/2 minute boot up. I did a full up to date virus scan last nite and had 0 problems from 131,000 files. I cleared all caches, uninstalled unneeded programs, ran spyware again and still no improvements. I doublechecked for any duplicate entries in control panel and looked for any conflicts or settings that may be wrong. This is a real challenge. I think we'll all learn something when this problem gets resolved. Thanks for your continued help. Steve "mdp" wrote in message ... Since it's back to trial and error, another suggestion. You may have some parameters mis-configured (e.g. Bindings, WINS, DNS, etc). To reset them to defaults, right click on Network Neighborhood and select Properties. 'Remove' all TCP/IP entries and reinstall (you may want to reboot after deleting them before attempting to reinstall). To install, choose 'Add' then select Protocol/Microsoft/TCP/IP. Installing DUN 1.4 (I realize this is for dial-up) may reset other parameters as well as the TCP/IP stack. http://support.microsoft.com/default...;EN-US;q285189 "Steve L" slupardi at comcast dot net wrote in message ... I tried your suggestions. There are no duplicates of anything in Device Manager. I reinstalled the NIC/drivers and same problem. I had originally 'fooled' with it via settings (not physically) and tried updating the driver and also tried different settings in "Network' in control panel. I did a "Goback "restore the next day and everything seems back to the normal settings, but the problem persists. Any other ideas on this challenging problem? Thanks. Steve "mdp" wrote in message ... I'll move over to this thread. Did you check in Safe Mode to verify you don't have duplicate entries for the NIC, or anything else for that matter. Since the problem started after you "fooled" with the NIC, I would say that's your best clue and recommend focusing on the NIC. Deleting it in safe mode then reinstalling is a surest way to ensure only one is installed and hopefully installed correctly. I recommend the following steps in the order shown: 1. Boot to safe mode. Delete all NICs. Shutdown 2. Physically uninstall the NIC 3. Reboot and press F8 to select enable bootlog.txt during boot. Check your boot times. Shutdown. 4. Physically install the NIC 5. Reboot. Install the NIC drivers when asked. Reboot (Windows should ask to do this) BTW - What does "fooled with" mean? "Steve L" slupardi at comcast dot net wrote in message ... Alan, Yes, I have already removed the network card via control panel and then reinstalled it using the card's original disk. No difference with the slow startup. This darn thing has me stumped. It just went from a normal 30 -45 second boot to a 3 minute delayed boot in 1 day. Norton Antivirus (with up to date signatures) was run as well as many spyware/adware proggies. Any other ideas are welcome. Steve "Alan" wrote in message ... Have you tried reinstalling the device in Device Manager? If you want to do it you must go to safe mode, delete it and boot to normal. Check the Device Manager in normal mode first to see what you have, you may even find that you have some "ghost duplicate" entries in safe mode. When Windows reboots from safe mode, it will go through a process identifying any new hardware etc and reinstall it. Suggest you insert your Windows CD rom in the reader before going to safe mode, cancelling the auto install. When windows restarts it will look for drivers for the "new" hardware and reinstall. Alan "Steve L" slupardi at comcast dot net wrote in message ... Thank you for the suggestion. I have already made the Quick Logon setting but still no help. Any other ideas are welcome. Steve "PattyL" wrote in message ... In the network properties, Client for Microsoft Networks properties, make sure that you have selected Quick logon rather than Logon and restore network connections under Network logon options. That way the system does not attempt to establish a session with other computers on the network until you attempt to access one. PattyL "Steve L" slupardi at comcast dot net wrote in message ... Last week I fooled with my LinkSys LNE100 network card. Now WIN98 (1st edition) boots very slow. It stays on the blank desktop for over 2 minutes, then the icons start to load and everything goes as normal. I reinstalled the network card drivers several times, did updated NAV scans, spyware checks etc. A boot log analysis shows Ndis2sup.vxd failed (but I read that's normal). This is not a ram problem or such. There must be some setting or conflict with something. I suspect that windows is having a hard time finding something (like a network ) at start up. Any ideas, either network or other? Thanks. 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Did you guys read my last post about removing Goback? Please reread my last
post and you will see I followed Symantec steps/utilities to remove all traces of their products. Are there any other suggestions? This problem was ALMOST fixed. But now all traces of Symantec/Norton/Goback is gone, and still same problem. Thanks. Steve "mdp" wrote in message news BTW - To retrace your steps, try reinstalling all Symantec utiltities you started with, including Goback. Go to Symantec's site and update. Then disable Goback. If that doesn't work, uninstall Goback (if it is uninstallable). mdp wrote: I agree. Don't use Msconfig to disable Goback or anything else Norton/Symantec. Uninstall it/them or disable Goback within Systemworks. The reason I mentioned Goback in the first place was I recall it causing boot problems in a machine I worked on a few weeks ago. We decided to disable (not uninstall) and everything cleared up. You may be onto something. "Steve L" slupardi at comcast dot net wrote in message ... Good and bad news here. I went to my startup list in MSconfig and checked everything eg all norton stuff, Goback, etc and on the next boot (still delayed) a Norton error popped up. I then was instructed to go to the symantec website and download an update. I do this every day anyways. Then on the next boot, the system started correctly with no delay! But on the very next boot, the delay was there again! I then removed everything Norton/Symantec from the add/remove panel and used the 3 special utilities on the Symantec web site and followed their instructions to remove all traces of their products. I figured this would cure it, no luck, still delayed bootup. I used registry repair utilities and clean ups to scrub the registry of any orphan entries and anything on the PC with the Norton/Symantec name. Still no luck. This was probably caused buy a Norton problem, but the problem persists after removing all products correctly. Can it still be Norton product traces? Or do you think it could be something else still? Thanks in advance for your help guys. Steve "mdp" wrote in message ... Another hunch, have you tried uninstalling or disabling Goback? "Noel Paton" wrote in message ... You may want to try removing NAV completely, to see whether that improves things. http://basconotw.mvps.org/SymRem.htm -- Noel Paton (MS-MVP 2002-2006, Windows) Nil Carborundum Illegitemi http://www.crashfixpc.com/millsrpch.htm http://tinyurl.com/6oztj Please read http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm on how to post messages to NG's "Steve L" slupardi at comcast dot net wrote in message ... Update. Did full NAV scan and spyware scan. Did selective startup, safe mode startup etc. Still big startup delay. I used no sounds or wallpaper either. I have a question; When I added wallpaper (pic of car), a blank desktop stays on during the delay, and then the wallpaper and icons load. Is this normal;or should the wallpaper be loaded and then the delay? Is this something to do with video-mode switching if it isn't normal? Thanks. Steve "Steve L" slupardi at comcast dot net wrote in message ... DMA is enabled. HD Tach shows 9% to 12% over several consecutive tests. It jumped to 18.8% once and 17.4% once, but averages between 9% and 12%. Anyone have any ideas ( but no format and reinstall please) that I may try? Also, thanks to MDP for his/her persistence in this issue. I will keep searching for a resolution. Steve "mdp" wrote in message ... That is odd that BLA is not recording the time you're experiencing. Don't know what to think about that. Another shot in the dark. HD access time could slow it down. Check your HDs to make sure DMA is enabled. Right click My Computer, Properties, Device Mgr, Disk Drives, Properties, Settings. The utility HDTach will also check it for you. A very high CPU Utilization (over 10-15%) indicates DMA is not enabled. http://www.simplisoftware.com/Public...uest=HdTach2.7 "Steve L" slupardi at comcast dot net wrote in message ... I removed all TCP/IP entries and reinstalled them as you suggested to get the defaults, but no joy. Still a 2 1/2 minute boot up. I did a full up to date virus scan last nite and had 0 problems from 131,000 files. I cleared all caches, uninstalled unneeded programs, ran spyware again and still no improvements. I doublechecked for any duplicate entries in control panel and looked for any conflicts or settings that may be wrong. This is a real challenge. I think we'll all learn something when this problem gets resolved. Thanks for your continued help. Steve "mdp" wrote in message ... Since it's back to trial and error, another suggestion. You may have some parameters mis-configured (e.g. Bindings, WINS, DNS, etc). To reset them to defaults, right click on Network Neighborhood and select Properties. 'Remove' all TCP/IP entries and reinstall (you may want to reboot after deleting them before attempting to reinstall). To install, choose 'Add' then select Protocol/Microsoft/TCP/IP. Installing DUN 1.4 (I realize this is for dial-up) may reset other parameters as well as the TCP/IP stack. http://support.microsoft.com/default...;EN-US;q285189 "Steve L" slupardi at comcast dot net wrote in message ... I tried your suggestions. There are no duplicates of anything in Device Manager. I reinstalled the NIC/drivers and same problem. I had originally 'fooled' with it via settings (not physically) and tried updating the driver and also tried different settings in "Network' in control panel. I did a "Goback "restore the next day and everything seems back to the normal settings, but the problem persists. Any other ideas on this challenging problem? Thanks. Steve "mdp" wrote in message ... I'll move over to this thread. Did you check in Safe Mode to verify you don't have duplicate entries for the NIC, or anything else for that matter. Since the problem started after you "fooled" with the NIC, I would say that's your best clue and recommend focusing on the NIC. Deleting it in safe mode then reinstalling is a surest way to ensure only one is installed and hopefully installed correctly. I recommend the following steps in the order shown: 1. Boot to safe mode. Delete all NICs. Shutdown 2. Physically uninstall the NIC 3. Reboot and press F8 to select enable bootlog.txt during boot. Check your boot times. Shutdown. 4. Physically install the NIC 5. Reboot. Install the NIC drivers when asked. Reboot (Windows should ask to do this) BTW - What does "fooled with" mean? "Steve L" slupardi at comcast dot net wrote in message ... Alan, Yes, I have already removed the network card via control panel and then reinstalled it using the card's original disk. No difference with the slow startup. This darn thing has me stumped. It just went from a normal 30 -45 second boot to a 3 minute delayed boot in 1 day. Norton Antivirus (with up to date signatures) was run as well as many spyware/adware proggies. Any other ideas are welcome. Steve "Alan" wrote in message ... Have you tried reinstalling the device in Device Manager? If you want to do it you must go to safe mode, delete it and boot to normal. Check the Device Manager in normal mode first to see what you have, you may even find that you have some "ghost duplicate" entries in safe mode. When Windows reboots from safe mode, it will go through a process identifying any new hardware etc and reinstall it. Suggest you insert your Windows CD rom in the reader before going to safe mode, cancelling the auto install. When windows restarts it will look for drivers for the "new" hardware and reinstall. Alan "Steve L" slupardi at comcast dot net wrote in message ... Thank you for the suggestion. I have already made the Quick Logon setting but still no help. Any other ideas are welcome. Steve "PattyL" wrote in message ... In the network properties, Client for Microsoft Networks properties, make sure that you have selected Quick logon rather than Logon and restore network connections under Network logon options. That way the system does not attempt to establish a session with other computers on the network until you attempt to access one. PattyL "Steve L" slupardi at comcast dot net wrote in message ... Last week I fooled with my LinkSys LNE100 network card. Now WIN98 (1st edition) boots very slow. It stays on the blank desktop for over 2 minutes, then the icons start to load and everything goes as normal. I reinstalled the network card drivers several times, did updated NAV scans, spyware checks etc. A boot log analysis shows Ndis2sup.vxd failed (but I read that's normal). This is not a ram problem or such. There must be some setting or conflict with something. I suspect that windows is having a hard time finding something (like a network ) at start up. Any ideas, either network or other? Thanks. Steve L |
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Of course. I've used Symantec's "remove all traces" utilities and found
they are not foolproof. I have fought and finally given up on one of my systems that still remembers a prior Symantec version expiration date which is interfering with a later version's operation. There is something left over that the utilities did not remove. That's why I suggested the disable or uninstall methods using the software itself or the OS' own features. You did something that caused the problem to go away, albeit briefly, which happened right after unchecking Goback with Msconfig. So far that's the only clue that correlates with something that I've heard. My hypothesis is that some of the files Norton removed still need to be there for other reasons and that disabling Goback will have a positive affect on the boot process. Both based on prior experience. If you can repeat the anomalous behavior using Msconfig again, then the problem is repeatable and other clues might be found using utilities that monitor registry or other kinds of changes. In this case I don't recommend this troubleshooting approach since it causes problems with Goback, as you found out, which could lead to additional trouble. I came up with my last suggestion as a safer way to test the correlation with Goback. Unless you have other clues, all I can think of is more "shots in the dark". What we need, Mr. Watson, are clues. Good luck. Both could matter. "Steve L" slupardi at comcast dot net wrote in message ... Did you guys read my last post about removing Goback? Please reread my last post and you will see I followed Symantec steps/utilities to remove all traces of their products. Are there any other suggestions? This problem was ALMOST fixed. But now all traces of Symantec/Norton/Goback is gone, and still same problem. Thanks. Steve "mdp" wrote in message news BTW - To retrace your steps, try reinstalling all Symantec utiltities you started with, including Goback. Go to Symantec's site and update. Then disable Goback. If that doesn't work, uninstall Goback (if it is uninstallable). mdp wrote: I agree. Don't use Msconfig to disable Goback or anything else Norton/Symantec. Uninstall it/them or disable Goback within Systemworks. The reason I mentioned Goback in the first place was I recall it causing boot problems in a machine I worked on a few weeks ago. We decided to disable (not uninstall) and everything cleared up. You may be onto something. "Steve L" slupardi at comcast dot net wrote in message ... Good and bad news here. I went to my startup list in MSconfig and checked everything eg all norton stuff, Goback, etc and on the next boot (still delayed) a Norton error popped up. I then was instructed to go to the symantec website and download an update. I do this every day anyways. Then on the next boot, the system started correctly with no delay! But on the very next boot, the delay was there again! I then removed everything Norton/Symantec from the add/remove panel and used the 3 special utilities on the Symantec web site and followed their instructions to remove all traces of their products. I figured this would cure it, no luck, still delayed bootup. I used registry repair utilities and clean ups to scrub the registry of any orphan entries and anything on the PC with the Norton/Symantec name. Still no luck. This was probably caused buy a Norton problem, but the problem persists after removing all products correctly. Can it still be Norton product traces? Or do you think it could be something else still? Thanks in advance for your help guys. Steve "mdp" wrote in message ... Another hunch, have you tried uninstalling or disabling Goback? "Noel Paton" wrote in message ... You may want to try removing NAV completely, to see whether that improves things. http://basconotw.mvps.org/SymRem.htm -- Noel Paton (MS-MVP 2002-2006, Windows) Nil Carborundum Illegitemi http://www.crashfixpc.com/millsrpch.htm http://tinyurl.com/6oztj Please read http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm on how to post messages to NG's "Steve L" slupardi at comcast dot net wrote in message ... Update. Did full NAV scan and spyware scan. Did selective startup, safe mode startup etc. Still big startup delay. I used no sounds or wallpaper either. I have a question; When I added wallpaper (pic of car), a blank desktop stays on during the delay, and then the wallpaper and icons load. Is this normal;or should the wallpaper be loaded and then the delay? Is this something to do with video-mode switching if it isn't normal? Thanks. Steve "Steve L" slupardi at comcast dot net wrote in message ... DMA is enabled. HD Tach shows 9% to 12% over several consecutive tests. It jumped to 18.8% once and 17.4% once, but averages between 9% and 12%. Anyone have any ideas ( but no format and reinstall please) that I may try? Also, thanks to MDP for his/her persistence in this issue. I will keep searching for a resolution. Steve "mdp" wrote in message ... That is odd that BLA is not recording the time you're experiencing. Don't know what to think about that. Another shot in the dark. HD access time could slow it down. Check your HDs to make sure DMA is enabled. Right click My Computer, Properties, Device Mgr, Disk Drives, Properties, Settings. The utility HDTach will also check it for you. A very high CPU Utilization (over 10-15%) indicates DMA is not enabled. http://www.simplisoftware.com/Public...uest=HdTach2.7 "Steve L" slupardi at comcast dot net wrote in message ... I removed all TCP/IP entries and reinstalled them as you suggested to get the defaults, but no joy. Still a 2 1/2 minute boot up. I did a full up to date virus scan last nite and had 0 problems from 131,000 files. I cleared all caches, uninstalled unneeded programs, ran spyware again and still no improvements. I doublechecked for any duplicate entries in control panel and looked for any conflicts or settings that may be wrong. This is a real challenge. I think we'll all learn something when this problem gets resolved. Thanks for your continued help. Steve "mdp" wrote in message ... Since it's back to trial and error, another suggestion. You may have some parameters mis-configured (e.g. Bindings, WINS, DNS, etc). To reset them to defaults, right click on Network Neighborhood and select Properties. 'Remove' all TCP/IP entries and reinstall (you may want to reboot after deleting them before attempting to reinstall). To install, choose 'Add' then select Protocol/Microsoft/TCP/IP. Installing DUN 1.4 (I realize this is for dial-up) may reset other parameters as well as the TCP/IP stack. http://support.microsoft.com/default...;EN-US;q285189 "Steve L" slupardi at comcast dot net wrote in message ... I tried your suggestions. There are no duplicates of anything in Device Manager. I reinstalled the NIC/drivers and same problem. I had originally 'fooled' with it via settings (not physically) and tried updating the driver and also tried different settings in "Network' in control panel. I did a "Goback "restore the next day and everything seems back to the normal settings, but the problem persists. Any other ideas on this challenging problem? Thanks. Steve "mdp" wrote in message ... I'll move over to this thread. Did you check in Safe Mode to verify you don't have duplicate entries for the NIC, or anything else for that matter. Since the problem started after you "fooled" with the NIC, I would say that's your best clue and recommend focusing on the NIC. Deleting it in safe mode then reinstalling is a surest way to ensure only one is installed and hopefully installed correctly. I recommend the following steps in the order shown: 1. Boot to safe mode. Delete all NICs. Shutdown 2. Physically uninstall the NIC 3. Reboot and press F8 to select enable bootlog.txt during boot. Check your boot times. Shutdown. 4. Physically install the NIC 5. Reboot. Install the NIC drivers when asked. Reboot (Windows should ask to do this) BTW - What does "fooled with" mean? "Steve L" slupardi at comcast dot net wrote in message ... Alan, Yes, I have already removed the network card via control panel and then reinstalled it using the card's original disk. No difference with the slow startup. This darn thing has me stumped. It just went from a normal 30 -45 second boot to a 3 minute delayed boot in 1 day. Norton Antivirus (with up to date signatures) was run as well as many spyware/adware proggies. Any other ideas are welcome. Steve "Alan" wrote in message ... Have you tried reinstalling the device in Device Manager? If you want to do it you must go to safe mode, delete it and boot to normal. Check the Device Manager in normal mode first to see what you have, you may even find that you have some "ghost duplicate" entries in safe mode. When Windows reboots from safe mode, it will go through a process identifying any new hardware etc and reinstall it. Suggest you insert your Windows CD rom in the reader before going to safe mode, cancelling the auto install. When windows restarts it will look for drivers for the "new" hardware and reinstall. Alan "Steve L" slupardi at comcast dot net wrote in message ... Thank you for the suggestion. I have already made the Quick Logon setting but still no help. Any other ideas are welcome. Steve "PattyL" wrote in message ... In the network properties, Client for Microsoft Networks properties, make sure that you have selected Quick logon rather than Logon and restore network connections under Network logon options. That way the system does not attempt to establish a session with other computers on the network until you attempt to access one. PattyL "Steve L" slupardi at comcast dot net wrote in message ... Last week I fooled with my LinkSys LNE100 network card. Now WIN98 (1st edition) boots very slow. It stays on the blank desktop for over 2 minutes, then the icons start to load and everything goes as normal. I reinstalled the network card drivers several times, did updated NAV scans, spyware checks etc. A boot log analysis shows Ndis2sup.vxd failed (but I read that's normal). This is not a ram problem or such. There must be some setting or conflict with something. I suspect that windows is having a hard time finding something (like a network ) at start up. Any ideas, either network or other? Thanks. 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