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  #21  
Old May 20th 05, 02:25 AM
Mike M
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Geek may have told your husband about www.ati,com but if you check you
will see I also told you this some days ago. :-)

If Dell didn't supply the Radeon card then it isn't rally a surprise that
they didn't have the drivers. Much better in nearly all cases to go to
the manufacturer's site which is why I mentioned www.ati.com some days
ago.
--
Mike Maltby MS-MVP



Susan wrote:

Everything is now solved! Geek told husband about
www.ati.com for
Radeon driver and I downloaded it and went back to the PCI setting.
Don't know why Dell site did not have driver for Radeon card on it
when I used service tag to search for drivers.


  #22  
Old May 20th 05, 12:27 PM
Susan
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Mike, I am sorry I did not heed your advice. It sure would have saved me
time and everybody else trying to help me. I thought that I would have to
know model #? of card and that I would not be able to figure out right
drivers by just going to a site. I should have looked further and heeded
your advice.

Susan

"Mike M" wrote in message
...
Geek may have told your husband about www.ati,com but if you check you
will see I also told you this some days ago. :-)

If Dell didn't supply the Radeon card then it isn't rally a surprise that
they didn't have the drivers. Much better in nearly all cases to go to
the manufacturer's site which is why I mentioned www.ati.com some days
ago.
--
Mike Maltby MS-MVP



Susan wrote:

Everything is now solved! Geek told husband about
www.ati.com for
Radeon driver and I downloaded it and went back to the PCI setting. Don't
know why Dell site did not have driver for Radeon card on it
when I used service tag to search for drivers.




  #23  
Old May 20th 05, 12:51 PM
Mike M
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Susan,

LOL. Been there done that. You don't think I follow my own advice do
you. vbg If there are two or more ways of doing something I can
guarantee that being perverse as I am I will ALWAYS choose the longest.

Cheers,

Mike


Susan wrote:

Mike, I am sorry I did not heed your advice. It sure would have saved
me time and everybody else trying to help me. I thought that I would
have to know model #? of card and that I would not be able to figure
out right drivers by just going to a site. I should have looked
further and heeded your advice.


  #24  
Old May 20th 05, 01:19 PM
Jack E Martinelli
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Susan, your situation is not serious problem and I have found this thread
interesting. I suspect you, the husband, and the noted "geek" have learned
something useful here.

FYI, both ATI and nVidia now release their video driver set as a "Unified
Driver", which means you DL one huge file, which when run interrogates your
system to determine which video card model is installed, and then loads the
appropriate driver set. For those with broadband, it's a real convenience.
For the dial-up crowd, it's a PITA. Nvidia releases their mainboard driver
set in a similar manner.
Note that it is the video processor chip website that you want to get the
latest driver at, and not necessarily the vendor of the video card. That
vendor may not be doing any driver development, anyway.

FWIW, my seven year old grand daughter now uses an ancient Celeron box for
her simple Win98 "Barbie" and "Bratz" games. It uses an early Intel Extreme
Graphics video system on the mainboard. I upgraded this to a modern 128 MB
nVidia FX 5200 video system, Chaintech, I think, with little problem. The
only twist is that the BIOS permits me to direct the initial boot detection
to the add-in PCI video card, but offers no way to disable the on-board
Intel Extrreme Graphics. So at boot, the Hardware wizard wants to reinstall
the Intel video driver, which she just cancels. This occurs even though I
have disabled the Intel video device in the current Hardware Profile.

One last question, Susan:
So what is your ATI video card? CPU model and speed? Amount of RAM?
Curious minds want to know!
--
Jack E. Martinelli 2002-05 MS MVP for Shell/User / DTS
Help us help you: http://www.dts-L.org/goodpost.htm
In Memorium: Alex Nichol
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/e...ts/nichol.mspx
Your cooperation is very appreciated.
------
"Susan" wrote in message
...
Mike, I am sorry I did not heed your advice. It sure would have saved me
time and everybody else trying to help me. I thought that I would have to
know model #? of card and that I would not be able to figure out right
drivers by just going to a site. I should have looked further and heeded
your advice.

Susan

"Mike M" wrote in message
...
Geek may have told your husband about www.ati,com but if you check you
will see I also told you this some days ago. :-)

If Dell didn't supply the Radeon card then it isn't rally a surprise

that
they didn't have the drivers. Much better in nearly all cases to go to
the manufacturer's site which is why I mentioned www.ati.com some days
ago.
--
Mike Maltby MS-MVP



Susan wrote:

Everything is now solved! Geek told husband about
www.ati.com for
Radeon driver and I downloaded it and went back to the PCI setting.

Don't
know why Dell site did not have driver for Radeon card on it
when I used service tag to search for drivers.





  #25  
Old May 20th 05, 02:08 PM
Susan
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Thank you so much! Yes I took the long way around, but I learned more.

Jack, everytime I eat pita bread I will think of you. It took me a second to
figure out what PITA meant!

I just looked at the msinfo32 results.
CPU type is Intel Celeron II 700 MHz
Under Display, 3D Accelerator is ATI RV100 DDR - is that the ATI you are
talking about?
RAM is 128 MB which I plan to upgrade since 128MB is not enough anymore for
Internet access.

Susan

"Jack E Martinelli" wrote in message
...
Susan, your situation is not serious problem and I have found this thread
interesting. I suspect you, the husband, and the noted "geek" have
learned
something useful here.

FYI, both ATI and nVidia now release their video driver set as a "Unified
Driver", which means you DL one huge file, which when run interrogates
your
system to determine which video card model is installed, and then loads
the
appropriate driver set. For those with broadband, it's a real
convenience.
For the dial-up crowd, it's a PITA. Nvidia releases their mainboard
driver
set in a similar manner.
Note that it is the video processor chip website that you want to get the
latest driver at, and not necessarily the vendor of the video card. That
vendor may not be doing any driver development, anyway.

FWIW, my seven year old grand daughter now uses an ancient Celeron box for
her simple Win98 "Barbie" and "Bratz" games. It uses an early Intel
Extreme
Graphics video system on the mainboard. I upgraded this to a modern 128
MB
nVidia FX 5200 video system, Chaintech, I think, with little problem. The
only twist is that the BIOS permits me to direct the initial boot
detection
to the add-in PCI video card, but offers no way to disable the on-board
Intel Extrreme Graphics. So at boot, the Hardware wizard wants to
reinstall
the Intel video driver, which she just cancels. This occurs even though I
have disabled the Intel video device in the current Hardware Profile.

One last question, Susan:
So what is your ATI video card? CPU model and speed? Amount of RAM?
Curious minds want to know!
--
Jack E. Martinelli 2002-05 MS MVP for Shell/User / DTS
Help us help you: http://www.dts-L.org/goodpost.htm
In Memorium: Alex Nichol
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/e...ts/nichol.mspx
Your cooperation is very appreciated.
------
"Susan" wrote in message
...
Mike, I am sorry I did not heed your advice. It sure would have saved me
time and everybody else trying to help me. I thought that I would have
to
know model #? of card and that I would not be able to figure out right
drivers by just going to a site. I should have looked further and heeded
your advice.

Susan

"Mike M" wrote in message
...
Geek may have told your husband about www.ati,com but if you check you
will see I also told you this some days ago. :-)

If Dell didn't supply the Radeon card then it isn't rally a surprise

that
they didn't have the drivers. Much better in nearly all cases to go to
the manufacturer's site which is why I mentioned www.ati.com some days
ago.
--
Mike Maltby MS-MVP



Susan wrote:

Everything is now solved! Geek told husband about
www.ati.com for
Radeon driver and I downloaded it and went back to the PCI setting.

Don't
know why Dell site did not have driver for Radeon card on it
when I used service tag to search for drivers.






  #26  
Old May 20th 05, 03:09 PM
Jack E Martinelli
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Your Celeron II 700 MHz is pretty ancient stuff now. This box will never be
a modern gaming machine.
It's a fine e-mailing, surfing, word processing machine.

So I recommend continuing with the current ATI video card, which my quick
and dirty Google search suggests is the
Radeon® 7000 / Radeon® VE
http://www.ati.com/products/radeon7000/radeon7000/
You will have to examine physically the card to confirm. A label or
silkscreen should have the info.

While this card is so ancient, it is the third slowest video card, at 12.4
fps, in Tom's Hardware Guide first review of video cards, April 18, 2002,
where it is named the Radeon VE,
http://graphics.tomshardware.com/gra...charts-01.html

I don't doubt it runs rings around the on-board Intel video system, using
either 32 or 64 MB of on-board DDR memory vs. the Intel shared system
memory.
FWIW, every card on this THG, VGA Charts I, graph is far slower than the
slowest, modern FX5200 nVidia or Radeon 9250 card, available for ca. $50
today.
But I doubt your cpu and memory can even begin to drive those video card to
their limits.

I also recommend installing another 128 MB, or 256, if funds permit, of what
is most likely PC100 or PC133 sdram.
Perhaps, $US 25 - 45, after common rebates from major memory vendors through
big box retailers. Lower price over the Internet.
After doing so, your WinME will seldom need to use the swapfile, under
normal situations.


And thanks for your prompt response. Happy computing now!
--
Jack E. Martinelli 2002-05 MS MVP for Shell/User / DTS
Help us help you: http://www.dts-L.org/goodpost.htm
In Memorium: Alex Nichol
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/e...ts/nichol.mspx
Your cooperation is very appreciated.
------
"Susan" wrote in message
...
Thank you so much! Yes I took the long way around, but I learned more.

Jack, everytime I eat pita bread I will think of you. It took me a second

to
figure out what PITA meant!

I just looked at the msinfo32 results.
CPU type is Intel Celeron II 700 MHz
Under Display, 3D Accelerator is ATI RV100 DDR - is that the ATI you are
talking about?
RAM is 128 MB which I plan to upgrade since 128MB is not enough anymore

for
Internet access.

Susan

"Jack E Martinelli" wrote in message
...
Susan, your situation is not serious problem and I have found this

thread
interesting. I suspect you, the husband, and the noted "geek" have
learned
something useful here.

FYI, both ATI and nVidia now release their video driver set as a

"Unified
Driver", which means you DL one huge file, which when run interrogates
your
system to determine which video card model is installed, and then loads
the
appropriate driver set. For those with broadband, it's a real
convenience.
For the dial-up crowd, it's a PITA. Nvidia releases their mainboard
driver
set in a similar manner.
Note that it is the video processor chip website that you want to get

the
latest driver at, and not necessarily the vendor of the video card.

That
vendor may not be doing any driver development, anyway.

FWIW, my seven year old grand daughter now uses an ancient Celeron box

for
her simple Win98 "Barbie" and "Bratz" games. It uses an early Intel
Extreme
Graphics video system on the mainboard. I upgraded this to a modern 128
MB
nVidia FX 5200 video system, Chaintech, I think, with little problem.

The
only twist is that the BIOS permits me to direct the initial boot
detection
to the add-in PCI video card, but offers no way to disable the on-board
Intel Extrreme Graphics. So at boot, the Hardware wizard wants to
reinstall
the Intel video driver, which she just cancels. This occurs even though

I
have disabled the Intel video device in the current Hardware Profile.

One last question, Susan:
So what is your ATI video card? CPU model and speed? Amount of RAM?
Curious minds want to know!
--
Jack E. Martinelli 2002-05 MS MVP for Shell/User / DTS
Help us help you: http://www.dts-L.org/goodpost.htm
In Memorium: Alex Nichol
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/e...ts/nichol.mspx
Your cooperation is very appreciated.
------
"Susan" wrote in message
...
Mike, I am sorry I did not heed your advice. It sure would have saved

me
time and everybody else trying to help me. I thought that I would have
to
know model #? of card and that I would not be able to figure out right
drivers by just going to a site. I should have looked further and

heeded
your advice.

Susan

"Mike M" wrote in message
...
Geek may have told your husband about www.ati,com but if you check

you
will see I also told you this some days ago. :-)

If Dell didn't supply the Radeon card then it isn't rally a surprise

that
they didn't have the drivers. Much better in nearly all cases to go

to
the manufacturer's site which is why I mentioned www.ati.com some

days
ago.
--
Mike Maltby MS-MVP



Susan wrote:

Everything is now solved! Geek told husband about
www.ati.com for
Radeon driver and I downloaded it and went back to the PCI setting.

Don't
know why Dell site did not have driver for Radeon card on it
when I used service tag to search for drivers.








  #27  
Old May 20th 05, 04:27 PM
Rick T
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I'd concur with the RAM upgrade, but why the videocard unless Susan is
planning on playing modernish 3D-intensive games.


Rick

ps: why don't you install the Intel drivers *then* choose "Do not use in
this Hardware profile" ?

Jack E Martinelli wrote:
Your Celeron II 700 MHz is pretty ancient stuff now. This box will never be
a modern gaming machine.
It's a fine e-mailing, surfing, word processing machine.

So I recommend continuing with the current ATI video card, which my quick
and dirty Google search suggests is the
Radeon® 7000 / Radeon® VE
http://www.ati.com/products/radeon7000/radeon7000/
You will have to examine physically the card to confirm. A label or
silkscreen should have the info.

While this card is so ancient, it is the third slowest video card, at 12.4
fps, in Tom's Hardware Guide first review of video cards, April 18, 2002,
where it is named the Radeon VE,
http://graphics.tomshardware.com/gra...charts-01.html

I don't doubt it runs rings around the on-board Intel video system, using
either 32 or 64 MB of on-board DDR memory vs. the Intel shared system
memory.
FWIW, every card on this THG, VGA Charts I, graph is far slower than the
slowest, modern FX5200 nVidia or Radeon 9250 card, available for ca. $50
today.
But I doubt your cpu and memory can even begin to drive those video card to
their limits.

I also recommend installing another 128 MB, or 256, if funds permit, of what
is most likely PC100 or PC133 sdram.
Perhaps, $US 25 - 45, after common rebates from major memory vendors through
big box retailers. Lower price over the Internet.
After doing so, your WinME will seldom need to use the swapfile, under
normal situations.


And thanks for your prompt response. Happy computing now!

  #28  
Old May 20th 05, 09:50 PM
Noel Paton
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"Mike M" wrote in message
...
Susan,

LOL. Been there done that. You don't think I follow my own advice do
you. vbg If there are two or more ways of doing something I can
guarantee that being perverse as I am I will ALWAYS choose the longest.


Isn't that part of the specification for getting to be an MVP???


--
Noel Paton (MS-MVP 2002-2005, Windows)

Nil Carborundum Illegitemi
http://www.btinternet.com/~winnoel/millsrpch.htm

http://tinyurl.com/6oztj

Please read http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm on how to post messages to NG's


  #29  
Old May 20th 05, 09:58 PM
Mike M
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Noel Paton wrote:

LOL. Been there done that. You don't think I follow my own advice
do you. vbg If there are two or more ways of doing something I can
guarantee that being perverse as I am I will ALWAYS choose the
longest.


Isn't that part of the specification for getting to be an MVP???


Dunno about that Noel but thinking about it I feel it probably should be.
g
--
Mike
PS As promised some weeks ago 1 DVD and a CD will be in the post to you
tomorrow a.m.


  #30  
Old May 21st 05, 09:36 AM
Noel Paton
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Yippeee!
g

Thanks, Mike

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Nil Carborundum Illegitemi
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Please read http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm on how to post messages to NG's

"Mike M" wrote in message
...
PS As promised some weeks ago 1 DVD and a CD will be in the post to you
tomorrow a.m.




 




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