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  #21  
Old November 13th 04, 03:57 PM
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Nothing to ponder really ... old software is
hard to let go of.


Like old operating systems ;-)



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Old November 13th 04, 04:03 PM
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On Sat, 13 Nov 2004 14:57:53 +0000 The moonlight laughed on the blades
edge when Shepİ wrote :


Nothing to ponder really ... old software is
hard to let go of.


Like old operating systems ;-)


PS
Re-check that all your drives are using DMA with Nero info tool/Config
tab,
http://www.geocities.com/sheppola/diag.html

HTH



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Old November 13th 04, 04:25 PM
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Yeah, some old software requires old OSes.

Just checked and ... DMA=on for all drives.



"Shepİ" wrote in message ...
On Sat, 13 Nov 2004 14:57:53 +0000 The moonlight laughed on the blades
edge when Shepİ wrote :


Nothing to ponder really ... old software is
hard to let go of.


Like old operating systems ;-)


PS
Re-check that all your drives are using DMA with Nero info tool/Config
tab,
http://www.geocities.com/sheppola/diag.html

HTH



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Old November 13th 04, 05:03 PM
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On Sat, 13 Nov 2004 15:25:15 GMT The moonlight laughed on the blade's
edge when "Adam" wrote :


Yeah, some old software requires old OSes.

Just checked and ... DMA=on for all drives.


I mentioned the DMA as it's a fundamental requirement for the full
speed of a system and often over-looked,espeacially when having had to
mess with hard drive drivers and ACPI.Incorrect DMA or disabled can
lose a user over 75% of the system speed as modern PCs are still
a,"DOS" system in the old original sense e.g,"Disk Operating System"
therefore any slow ups on the drives affects everything.



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Old November 13th 04, 05:22 PM
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Thanks!

FYI, the VIA 4in1 driver(s) has a DMA option (default is selected).
I'm not sure but I think that it sets DMA=on when the option is selected.

BTW, my system is running great.



"Shepİ" wrote in message ...
On Sat, 13 Nov 2004 15:25:15 GMT The moonlight laughed on the blade's
edge when "Adam" wrote :


Yeah, some old software requires old OSes.

Just checked and ... DMA=on for all drives.


I mentioned the DMA as it's a fundamental requirement for the full
speed of a system and often over-looked,espeacially when having had to
mess with hard drive drivers and ACPI.Incorrect DMA or disabled can
lose a user over 75% of the system speed as modern PCs are still
a,"DOS" system in the old original sense e.g,"Disk Operating System"
therefore any slow ups on the drives affects everything.



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Old November 13th 04, 05:43 PM
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On Sat, 13 Nov 2004 16:22:16 GMT The moonlight laughed on the blade's
edge when "Adam" wrote :


Thanks!

FYI, the VIA 4in1 driver(s) has a DMA option (default is selected).
I'm not sure but I think that it sets DMA=on when the option is selected.

BTW, my system is running great.


Yep.The VIS 4-in-1 drivers usually enable the dma as they are
loaded,same as the SIS chip set I'm on now :0



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Old November 13th 04, 08:57 PM
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If one of the operating systems is out of another machine or was installed on the
old motherboard, you may have a lot of mis-detected hardware if you didn't do a
fresh install afterwards. What procedure did you follow to get the new system or
motherboard properly detected, and to remove the listed hardware left in Device
Manager from the old system?
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"Adam" wrote in message
om...

One of the two operating systems came from an old system.
The motherboard was upgraded but the "Suspend mode" was
never enabled in the BIOS. I think this might explain why
the Standby options are missing.

I'll try enabling "Suspend mode" later to see if
- "Advanced Power Management support" will be installed
- the Standby options will appear



"glee" wrote in message

...
Usually, when the Stand-by options are missing it indicates that the machine

does
not support stand-by mode, but you indicate that one of the two operating

systems on
the same machine does have the settings, so that does not appear to be the case
here.

See if anything here helps:
Standby Missing From Windows Shutdown Dialog Box :
http://support.microsoft.com?kbid=188134
--
Glen Ventura, MS MVP W95/98 Systems
http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm


"Adam" wrote in message
m...

I'm using VIA's 4-in-1 (v4.37) drivers.

I just tried the Add New Hardware wizard:
- auto hardware detection did not find any new hardware
- manual "system device" selection method did not list
"Advanced Power Management support"

Also, the Asus A7V133 User's Manual says the following:
"IMPORTANT: Advanced Power Management (APM) should be
installed to keep the system time updated when the computer
enters suspend mode activated by the BIOS Power Management.
For DOS environments, you need to add the statement,
DEVICE=C:\DOS\POWER.EXE, to your CONFIG.SYS file.
For Windows 3.x and Windows 95, you need to install Windows
with the APM feature. For Windows 98 and later, APM is
automatically installed. A battery and power cord icon labeled
"Power Management" will appear in the "Control Panel." Choose
"Advanced" in the Power Management Properties dialog box."

So, apparently, APM is already installed in my case but
there is no listing of "Advanced Power Management support" under
"System devices" in "Device Manager".

Also, comparing the Power Management Properties dialog of
the two HDD/partition, I noticed that the "Advanced" tab is missing
the "Prompt for password when computer goes off standby" checkbox.
And, the "Power Schemes" tab is missing the "System standby" dropdown list in
the "Settings for Always On power scheme" section.

Is it possible that installing standby-related stuff may trigger
the addition of "Advanced Power Management support" under
"System devices" in "Device Manager".



"glee" wrote in message

...
The procedure for adding Advanced Power Management support in Device Manager

is
to
use the Add New Hardware wizard to search for new hardware, and if it

detects
APM
support, to allow it to install, and then reboot. However, you may not be

able
to
detect it without installing the drivers on motherboard disc. What VIA

drivers
version number did you install? Have you tried other versions from the VIA

support
web site?
--
Glen Ventura, MS MVP W95/98 Systems
http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm


"Adam" wrote in message
om...

My responses are inline ...


"Shepİ" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 11 Nov 2004 22:54:50 GMT It was a dark and stormy night when
"Spamotomy" wrote :


Okay, I think I'm a little confused ...

Must I have ACPI in order to have "Advanced Power Management support" ?
In the "good" HDD/partition, there is no mention of ACPI under
"System devices" but there is an "Advanced Power Management support"

item,
which is what I'm trying to replicate on the other HDD/partition

You have mis-quoted.

Mis-quoted? No, "Advanced Power Management support" is
an item under "System devices" in "Device Manager".



For ACPI to function correctly all hardware devices on the system must
be ACPI compliant including the mother board.

Their correct drivers must be correctly installed and the Windows

Software ACPI must be installed e.g the Advanced Power Management
Support as you post above.

"Advanced Power Management support" is what I'm trying to
find out how to install without depending on hardware detection since
all the hardware is already there.



If the option is there in the BIOS to enable/disable
ACPI it must be enabled.Many Modern systems either have it hidden and
set by default to,"On".

Hmmm ... will I be able to enable ACPI without getting ACPI BIOS?
If not, then I will be "back to square one" like you said.
And, I don't want that.



You may also need to re-install motherboard/mother board chip set
drivers pack/s.

Oh-no, trying to install VIA's 4-in-1 drivers caused the dreaded message:
"Windows protection error. You need to restart your computer."
After which, I can only boot into Safe mode but not into Normal mode.


As for talk of,"Partitions" you are now confusing me :/

I use the BIOS to select the HDD (and thus, the boot partition) used for
the boot process. By "HDD/partition", I mean the HDD (and thus,
the boot partition) used to boot the system.



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Old November 14th 04, 02:12 AM
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That system was so old that it still had ISA slots in it.
Some of the cards in it were not even PnP,
which might have actually made things easier.
It did not have an AGP slot. It did not have a sound card.
All of these things made the upgrade pretty simple since
there was not much conflict.

For a newer system, I would remove everything possible from
the Device Manager in Safe mode and build from there.
Start with a minimum set of hardware (motherboard, video card,
keyboard, mouse, HDD, CDROM, floppy drive, etc.).
Then, when you get the minimal system working, add
additional hardware (NIC, modem, sound, etc.) one card at a time.

Then there's the registry approach for those who are
familiar with there way around the registry.

And, as is often the case, tasks like this is easier said than done.



"glee" wrote in message ...
If one of the operating systems is out of another machine or was installed on the
old motherboard, you may have a lot of mis-detected hardware if you didn't do a
fresh install afterwards. What procedure did you follow to get the new system or
motherboard properly detected, and to remove the listed hardware left in Device
Manager from the old system?
--
Glen Ventura, MS MVP W95/98 Systems
http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm


"Adam" wrote in message
om...

One of the two operating systems came from an old system.
The motherboard was upgraded but the "Suspend mode" was
never enabled in the BIOS. I think this might explain why
the Standby options are missing.

I'll try enabling "Suspend mode" later to see if
- "Advanced Power Management support" will be installed
- the Standby options will appear



"glee" wrote in message

...
Usually, when the Stand-by options are missing it indicates that the machine

does
not support stand-by mode, but you indicate that one of the two operating

systems on
the same machine does have the settings, so that does not appear to be the case
here.

See if anything here helps:
Standby Missing From Windows Shutdown Dialog Box :
http://support.microsoft.com?kbid=188134
--
Glen Ventura, MS MVP W95/98 Systems
http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm


"Adam" wrote in message
m...

I'm using VIA's 4-in-1 (v4.37) drivers.

I just tried the Add New Hardware wizard:
- auto hardware detection did not find any new hardware
- manual "system device" selection method did not list
"Advanced Power Management support"

Also, the Asus A7V133 User's Manual says the following:
"IMPORTANT: Advanced Power Management (APM) should be
installed to keep the system time updated when the computer
enters suspend mode activated by the BIOS Power Management.
For DOS environments, you need to add the statement,
DEVICE=C:\DOS\POWER.EXE, to your CONFIG.SYS file.
For Windows 3.x and Windows 95, you need to install Windows
with the APM feature. For Windows 98 and later, APM is
automatically installed. A battery and power cord icon labeled
"Power Management" will appear in the "Control Panel." Choose
"Advanced" in the Power Management Properties dialog box."

So, apparently, APM is already installed in my case but
there is no listing of "Advanced Power Management support" under
"System devices" in "Device Manager".

Also, comparing the Power Management Properties dialog of
the two HDD/partition, I noticed that the "Advanced" tab is missing
the "Prompt for password when computer goes off standby" checkbox.
And, the "Power Schemes" tab is missing the "System standby" dropdown list in
the "Settings for Always On power scheme" section.

Is it possible that installing standby-related stuff may trigger
the addition of "Advanced Power Management support" under
"System devices" in "Device Manager".



"glee" wrote in message
...
The procedure for adding Advanced Power Management support in Device Manager

is
to
use the Add New Hardware wizard to search for new hardware, and if it

detects
APM
support, to allow it to install, and then reboot. However, you may not be

able
to
detect it without installing the drivers on motherboard disc. What VIA

drivers
version number did you install? Have you tried other versions from the VIA
support
web site?
--
Glen Ventura, MS MVP W95/98 Systems
http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm


"Adam" wrote in message
om...

My responses are inline ...


"Shepİ" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 11 Nov 2004 22:54:50 GMT It was a dark and stormy night when
"Spamotomy" wrote :


Okay, I think I'm a little confused ...

Must I have ACPI in order to have "Advanced Power Management support" ?
In the "good" HDD/partition, there is no mention of ACPI under
"System devices" but there is an "Advanced Power Management support"

item,
which is what I'm trying to replicate on the other HDD/partition

You have mis-quoted.

Mis-quoted? No, "Advanced Power Management support" is
an item under "System devices" in "Device Manager".



For ACPI to function correctly all hardware devices on the system must
be ACPI compliant including the mother board.

Their correct drivers must be correctly installed and the Windows

Software ACPI must be installed e.g the Advanced Power Management
Support as you post above.

"Advanced Power Management support" is what I'm trying to
find out how to install without depending on hardware detection since
all the hardware is already there.



If the option is there in the BIOS to enable/disable
ACPI it must be enabled.Many Modern systems either have it hidden and
set by default to,"On".

Hmmm ... will I be able to enable ACPI without getting ACPI BIOS?
If not, then I will be "back to square one" like you said.
And, I don't want that.



You may also need to re-install motherboard/mother board chip set
drivers pack/s.

Oh-no, trying to install VIA's 4-in-1 drivers caused the dreaded message:
"Windows protection error. You need to restart your computer."
After which, I can only boot into Safe mode but not into Normal mode.


As for talk of,"Partitions" you are now confusing me :/

I use the BIOS to select the HDD (and thus, the boot partition) used for
the boot process. By "HDD/partition", I mean the HDD (and thus,
the boot partition) used to boot the system.



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http://www.geocities.com/sheppola/trouble.html
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