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cquirke (MVP Windows shell/user) wrote:
On Sun, 27 Mar 2005 21:16:04 -0500, "Rick Chauvin" cquirke (MVP Windows shell/user) wrote: Rick Chauvin wrote: (about Explorer.exe bogging down after bulk file operations) If I had resources to fix this (as one presumes MS has) I'd do this: - get documentation on what's changed in those two .DLL - any crucial exploits that depend on those files to fix? - determine most recent .DLL that work via the fix (IE 5.5 SP2?) ..any version of those dll's from 5.5 worked just fine, it was the first release of IE6 and absolutely irregardless of what others think, even SP1 still has the same exact problem. I can confirm IE 6 SP1 has the same problem - that's what I have! Yes I know, but this thread we have flagged is now lost in eternity of posts and is also as the other one under a different heading. About the dll's though and most likely it is them, but just because swapping the dll's do appear on the surface to eliminate the problem does not mean 100% it is the dll's that's the issue in the first place - it could be other things closely related. Sure; it may be a point of fix, though. BrowseUI.dll is quite large, nearly 1M, so it's likely there's a lot of action there. BrowseLC.dll is a little 62k wisp of a thing, so it's interesting that it is cited as a co-defendent - especially as similar-wildcard-matching BrowseWM.dll was not. - FC these against the IE 6 ones that don't work - see if what FC finds can be mapped to particular functions - if offset dependencies allow: - paste across functions from IE 6 to old until old breaks - paste across functions from old to IE 6 until IE 6 works - zoom in and disassemble the problemetic function - see if a logic error etc. can be found - fix the function and issue fixed .DLLs as on-request hotfix - after testing, issue as downloadable hotfix, then WinUpate Okay, sounds good to me I've started looking for IE 5.5 SP0, SP1 and SP2 versions of those files, which I'll keep as templates .5S0, .5S1 and .5S2 along with my regular .6S1 copy. I'll write a .BAT that will copy these into place over the active ones after testing it's in DOS mode (they are otherwise "in use"). Then I'll play, renaming each pair, and then individual ones, into place for long enough to test-to-fix (about a week per pass before I'd say it's OK). Okay that's great, thanks much. In the end others will thank you too. Chris, would you do me a favor, there is the other thread in this group that has two conversations going on within it, if you want to please read it and reply to your other fellow MVP's as to any pertinent facts that you can help let them know there is a problem, because as it stands surprisingly to me they do not think there is a problem at all and that it was already fixed - which I am baffled at why they think that. Please look for this header: From: "Jerry Bryant [MSFT]" Newsgroups: microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion............. ... Sent: Saturday, March 26, 2005 2:06 AM Subject: MS05-002 on 9x and ME I'm not on least-significant-byte terms with .kb articles or patch numbers, but AFAIK what's happening is that this discussion we are in now, is in fact in the middle of a thread on an unrelated and far more recent patch (the one that runs as a resident process). Yes I realize that, but so is this one! I suppose a new thread can be started, but I don't choose to be that leader and it's not my own personal cross to bear although I do care and want to make it right and I'm only trying to help others out to actually get the problem fixed for a change. I sincerely think now though that those in position didn't realize they had a problem with this, but I feel it warrants just as much attention as that KB891711 post Jerry made and is why I tagged onto it; although I wish some of the others that have jumped into that thread would just kept it to a more professionally dialogue of helping instead of some of the unhelpful sputterings that detracts from the positive goal I'd like to see come about. Both are problems, but different ones. Certainly the one that Jerry is chasing up for MS is the new one, and it's good that this is being pursued. What we are talking about - unless I'm badly confused - is a far older issue that was raised as e.g. of previous patch gone wrong Yes I agree, just like this thread is though. Jerry's made his post, and I took the opportunity at that moment to bring up the other subject just to get his attention, perhaps it should of been in a different thread and I'm sorry about that now, but I can't change that. You can start a new thread if you want - You have more hands on qualifications than I do to effect change and to properly technically discuss the situation. I will always help where I can. I have to amend something in that other thread now though. Thank you, Rick ---------- ----- ---- --- -- - - - - Gone to bloggery: http://cquirke.blogspot.com ---------- ----- ---- --- -- - - - - |
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have problem since update of kb891711. win 98se, ie 6.0, high speed cable
modem, dell desktop xpst-450, norton av 2002. i have found the sequence of events i performed to cause blue screen 06 error: open windows media player 7.1; play songs from media guide; close media player. open ie; error screen occurs. or open ie; open media player; close ie; re-open ie; error occurs. if i do NOT open media player, all seems ok. open & close ie as needed; no errors. shut down normal. when error screen comes on, i press any key once to return to windows, & it does. then i alt-ctl-del & end task kb981711. i can go on ie with no problem. re-start is best fix. i just don't use the media player. does this info help? i hope microsoft sends auto update to fix. any ideas when? thank you, len kiesling "Gary S. Terhune" wrote in message ... Just read the Win98.Gen_Discussion group, or the WindowsME.General group, and you'll see several examples of KB891711 causing BSODs. Believe me, there *is* a problem, and MS *is* working on a solution. The biggest problem we have, now, is most people who are having trouble with KB891711 don't seem to be willing to perform some rather simple tests and return the results. -- Gary S. Terhune MS MVP Shell/User http://www.grystmill.com/articles/cleanboot.htm http://www.grystmill.com/articles/security.htm "SFB - KB3MM" wrote in message ... Well, we live in an era of 'instant PC Experts' the typical'my brother in law-sez, ......., and the secretary at work..... roof is needed not rumors. I've had the update for 4 days and nothing has raised an ugly head yet. "Dan" wrote in message ... It is just what people are saying. I don't have any proof. "SFB - KB3MM" wrote in message ... : Any particular boards? : : Is this well founded and some one has absolute proof, or just some one : saying it must be ...? : : "Dan" wrote in message : ... : Read the discussion boards and you will see that it is causing havoc with : some user's machines and associated software and/or hardware. For some of : the users baddies are definately involved but definately not with all the : users. : : "SFB - KB3MM" wrote in message : ... : : Whata's the downside of this update? : : : : "Ivan Bútora" wrote in message : : ... : : Dan, please. ANY update is optional. It is up to me if I want to : install : : it on my machine or not. Yes, I think it's good to install these updates : in : : general, and I have installed all of them except KB891711. But on the : other : : hand, there are upsides and downsides. In the case of KB891711, the : : inconvenience and trouble that is likely to be caused by this patch is : far : : greater than the risk of a hacker exploiting your machine. Keep in mind : that : : there have been several updates this year considered "important" for : Windows : : 98 that have not been released publicly. As Gary Terhune pointed out, : the : : difference between "important" and "critical" is actually not so : significant : : in terms of the security threat. So yeah, your machine probably *is* : : vulnerable to something. But that's life, you can't be 100% secure all : the : : time. I don't see the point in making such a big fuss about not having : this : : one patch installed. : : : : And FYI, since September 2004, my computer has been running WITHOUT : : anti-virus protection, anti-spyware, etc. So yesterday I decided I would : run : : a SpyBot check just for the hell of it, and guess what - nothing found : other : : than a couple of IE cookies. My point: The most important thing is being : : aware of what you're doing with your computer and on the Internet. : : : : Frankly, I don't know what your letter to Bill Gates was, but what I : do : : know is that MS should be ashamed for releasing a patch in this manner, : : without informing the users of the potential caveats, and apparently : without : : testing in dial-up systems, etc. : : : : : : : : "Dan" wrote in message : : ... : : According to PC Today, April issue it is a critical update that has : as : : of now : : not been exploited by hackers. Guys and Gals you need this critical : : update : : because I am guessing within 3 weeks someone will find a way to : : compromise : : all 98SE and associated 9x machines that need the patch and have not : : been : : updated. My best guess is that the time for the hackers will be a : : maximum of : : 3 weeks and it may be even faster so if your machine is connected to : the : : Internet do whatever it takes to keep "KB891711.EXE" running because : I : : am : : sure down the line Microsoft will be able to do a better fix but : this : is : : a : : temporary solution, hopefully to allow users to be safe while : on-line. : : If : : programs are not responding then discover why. People you need this : : CRITICAL : : PATCH and it is not optional. If Windows will not run with the : patch : : because : : of BSOD then disconnect from the Internet -- remove Ethernet cable, : USB : : cable : : or phone cable until the problem is resolved because if you do not : do : : this : : and have exited this CRITICAL PATCH then you are just asking for : your : : system : : to be hacked and no it will not be by me or my friends although I : know : a : : lot : : about security on computers and weak access points and could : probably : do : : it : : without too much trouble if I wanted to but my heart is with keeping : the : : U.S.A and its Allies and businesses and finally consumers to try and : get : : one : : small leg up on the PEOPLE who hack machines for a hobby, the : : terriorists and : : finally the script kiddies. Let me know how I and others can help : you : : with : : your computer problems. Have a nice day! : : : : "98 Guy" wrote in message : ... : : : : : : If you don't know what I'm talking about, look he : : : : : : http://www.microsoft.com/technet/sec.../MS05-002.mspx : : : : : : If you're running Win 98, and have recently (within the past week) : : : gone to Windows Updates and updated your computer, you almost : : : certainly now have the file "KB891711.EXE" running in the : background. : : : It is set to run automatically at startup. First time any such : update : : : or security patch has been configured to operate (instead of : simply : : : replacing an existing file). : : : : : : Even though Micro$loth sez that MS05-002 (KB891711.EXE) is : critical : : : for Win-98, I've read where some (many) people are simply : deactivating : : : it (via msconfig). : : : : : : Does anyone really know the truth regarding Win-98 and : KB891711.EXE? : : : : : : Is there anything special about it (like running it in safe mode : to : : : properly install it) ? : : : : : : Is it really needed? (for win-98) ? : : : : : : Is Win-98 really vulnerable to MS05-002 ??? : : : : : : : : : |
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