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Richard G. Harper wrote:
I think you are incorrect - if you check the IP addresses on the two computers I'll bet they're in completely different address ranges. A switch does not do NAT, so each PC is being assigned an IP address by your ISP. He said he's using a router. -- The e-mail address in our reply-to line is reversed in an attempt to minimize spam. Our true address is of the form . |
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Fatso wrote:
I hve a network of 2 win98 machines connected via a switch and a broadband connection out to the internet. Both machines can connect to the internet, but they can't see each other. They both have file sharing turned on and are sharing resources. I can ping the network address of the other machine on both. On one machine 1 in the network neighbourhood folder, I get the entire network icon and the icon for itself, sometimes this one can see machine 2 and share the resources. On machine 2, I see the entire network icon but nothing else, not even itself. I have gone over all the settings numerous times and as far as I can see they are correct and I can't see why the network isn't working Any suggestions? For whatever reason, WINS (Windows Name Service) isn't doing what it should. Check in the TCP/IP "Properties" menu that there's either a WINS server (probably not, or you would have mentioned it) or you're using DHCP for WINS resolution. Perhaps your DHCP server (probably built into your router) isn't cooperating, or you have it turned off. I've found the most reliable solution to such problems is to let SAMBA on a Unix (or Linux) box provide the service -- but I use SAMBA for file services generally, so flipping on the WINS service is trivial. -- The e-mail address in our reply-to line is reversed in an attempt to minimize spam. Our true address is of the form . |
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Windows 98 network not working
Fatso wrote:
I hve a network of 2 win98 machines connected via a switch and a broadband connection out to the internet. Both machines can connect to the internet, but they can't see each other. They both have file sharing turned on and are sharing resources. I can ping the network address of the other machine on both. On one machine 1 in the network neighbourhood folder, I get the entire network icon and the icon for itself, sometimes this one can see machine 2 and share the resources. On machine 2, I see the entire network icon but nothing else, not even itself. I have gone over all the settings numerous times and as far as I can see they are correct and I can't see why the network isn't working Any suggestions? For whatever reason, WINS (Windows Name Service) isn't doing what it should. Check in the TCP/IP "Properties" menu that there's either a WINS server (probably not, or you would have mentioned it) or you're using DHCP for WINS resolution. Perhaps your DHCP server (probably built into your router) isn't cooperating, or you have it turned off. I've found the most reliable solution to such problems is to let SAMBA on a Unix (or Linux) box provide the service -- but I use SAMBA for file services generally, so flipping on the WINS service is trivial. -- The e-mail address in our reply-to line is reversed in an attempt to minimize spam. Our true address is of the form . |
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the router, yes, my external IP is a 210.XXX.XXX.XXX and the internal IPs
are in the 10.XX.XX.XX range. I am using DHCP for WINS resolution, would the way that my router uses the 10.X.X.X range affect WINS, i.e. would if prefer the 192.168.x.x range? "CJT" wrote: Fatso wrote: I hve a network of 2 win98 machines connected via a switch and a broadband connection out to the internet. Both machines can connect to the internet, but they can't see each other. They both have file sharing turned on and are sharing resources. I can ping the network address of the other machine on both. On one machine 1 in the network neighbourhood folder, I get the entire network icon and the icon for itself, sometimes this one can see machine 2 and share the resources. On machine 2, I see the entire network icon but nothing else, not even itself. I have gone over all the settings numerous times and as far as I can see they are correct and I can't see why the network isn't working Any suggestions? For whatever reason, WINS (Windows Name Service) isn't doing what it should. Check in the TCP/IP "Properties" menu that there's either a WINS server (probably not, or you would have mentioned it) or you're using DHCP for WINS resolution. Perhaps your DHCP server (probably built into your router) isn't cooperating, or you have it turned off. I've found the most reliable solution to such problems is to let SAMBA on a Unix (or Linux) box provide the service -- but I use SAMBA for file services generally, so flipping on the WINS service is trivial. -- The e-mail address in our reply-to line is reversed in an attempt to minimize spam. Our true address is of the form . |
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Windows 98 network not working
the router, yes, my external IP is a 210.XXX.XXX.XXX and the internal IPs
are in the 10.XX.XX.XX range. I am using DHCP for WINS resolution, would the way that my router uses the 10.X.X.X range affect WINS, i.e. would if prefer the 192.168.x.x range? "CJT" wrote: Fatso wrote: I hve a network of 2 win98 machines connected via a switch and a broadband connection out to the internet. Both machines can connect to the internet, but they can't see each other. They both have file sharing turned on and are sharing resources. I can ping the network address of the other machine on both. On one machine 1 in the network neighbourhood folder, I get the entire network icon and the icon for itself, sometimes this one can see machine 2 and share the resources. On machine 2, I see the entire network icon but nothing else, not even itself. I have gone over all the settings numerous times and as far as I can see they are correct and I can't see why the network isn't working Any suggestions? For whatever reason, WINS (Windows Name Service) isn't doing what it should. Check in the TCP/IP "Properties" menu that there's either a WINS server (probably not, or you would have mentioned it) or you're using DHCP for WINS resolution. Perhaps your DHCP server (probably built into your router) isn't cooperating, or you have it turned off. I've found the most reliable solution to such problems is to let SAMBA on a Unix (or Linux) box provide the service -- but I use SAMBA for file services generally, so flipping on the WINS service is trivial. -- The e-mail address in our reply-to line is reversed in an attempt to minimize spam. Our true address is of the form . |
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In article , CJT
wrote: Fatso wrote: I hve a network of 2 win98 machines connected via a switch and a broadband connection out to the internet. Both machines can connect to the internet, but they can't see each other. They both have file sharing turned on and are sharing resources. I can ping the network address of the other machine on both. On one machine 1 in the network neighbourhood folder, I get the entire network icon and the icon for itself, sometimes this one can see machine 2 and share the resources. On machine 2, I see the entire network icon but nothing else, not even itself. I have gone over all the settings numerous times and as far as I can see they are correct and I can't see why the network isn't working Any suggestions? For whatever reason, WINS (Windows Name Service) isn't doing what it should. Check in the TCP/IP "Properties" menu that there's either a WINS server (probably not, or you would have mentioned it) or you're using DHCP for WINS resolution. Perhaps your DHCP server (probably built into your router) isn't cooperating, or you have it turned off. I've found the most reliable solution to such problems is to let SAMBA on a Unix (or Linux) box provide the service -- but I use SAMBA for file services generally, so flipping on the WINS service is trivial. A Windows 98 workgroup network doesn't use WINS for name resolution. WINS requires a server computer and a domain network. "Use DHCP for WINS resolution" doesn't mean that a DHCP server is resolving computer names to IP addresses. It means that a DHCP server is providing the address of a WINS server on the network. There's no WINS server on a Windows 98 network. Make sure that File and Printer Sharing is enabled on machine 2. It can take up to 15 minutes after a computer starts up before network browsing works. During that time, you should be able to access another computer by typing the other computer's name in the Start | Run box preceded by two backslash characters: \\computer It might help to enable Browse Master on one computer and disable it on the other computer. That setting is in Control Panel | Network | File and Printer Sharing | Properties. -- Best Wishes, Steve Winograd, MS-MVP (Windows Networking) Please post any reply as a follow-up message in the news group for everyone to see. I'm sorry, but I don't answer questions addressed directly to me in E-mail or news groups. Microsoft Most Valuable Professional - Windows Networking http://mvp.support.microsoft.com Steve Winograd's Networking FAQ http://www.bcmaven.com/networking/faq.htm |
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Windows 98 network not working
In article , CJT
wrote: Fatso wrote: I hve a network of 2 win98 machines connected via a switch and a broadband connection out to the internet. Both machines can connect to the internet, but they can't see each other. They both have file sharing turned on and are sharing resources. I can ping the network address of the other machine on both. On one machine 1 in the network neighbourhood folder, I get the entire network icon and the icon for itself, sometimes this one can see machine 2 and share the resources. On machine 2, I see the entire network icon but nothing else, not even itself. I have gone over all the settings numerous times and as far as I can see they are correct and I can't see why the network isn't working Any suggestions? For whatever reason, WINS (Windows Name Service) isn't doing what it should. Check in the TCP/IP "Properties" menu that there's either a WINS server (probably not, or you would have mentioned it) or you're using DHCP for WINS resolution. Perhaps your DHCP server (probably built into your router) isn't cooperating, or you have it turned off. I've found the most reliable solution to such problems is to let SAMBA on a Unix (or Linux) box provide the service -- but I use SAMBA for file services generally, so flipping on the WINS service is trivial. A Windows 98 workgroup network doesn't use WINS for name resolution. WINS requires a server computer and a domain network. "Use DHCP for WINS resolution" doesn't mean that a DHCP server is resolving computer names to IP addresses. It means that a DHCP server is providing the address of a WINS server on the network. There's no WINS server on a Windows 98 network. Make sure that File and Printer Sharing is enabled on machine 2. It can take up to 15 minutes after a computer starts up before network browsing works. During that time, you should be able to access another computer by typing the other computer's name in the Start | Run box preceded by two backslash characters: \\computer It might help to enable Browse Master on one computer and disable it on the other computer. That setting is in Control Panel | Network | File and Printer Sharing | Properties. -- Best Wishes, Steve Winograd, MS-MVP (Windows Networking) Please post any reply as a follow-up message in the news group for everyone to see. I'm sorry, but I don't answer questions addressed directly to me in E-mail or news groups. Microsoft Most Valuable Professional - Windows Networking http://mvp.support.microsoft.com Steve Winograd's Networking FAQ http://www.bcmaven.com/networking/faq.htm |
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I think what is driving me nuts the most it the almost random way that the
problem presents itself, I have tinkered with settings most of the morning and reverted back to the settings I had this morning apart from a browse master setting for machine 1 which is enabled rather than auto. I now can see both machines from machine 1 and access all machines but from machine 2 I can see machine 1 but not access it Using the exact settings before I getting variable results!?! "Fatso" wrote: I hve a network of 2 win98 machines connected via a switch and a broadband connection out to the internet. Both machines can connect to the internet, but they can't see each other. They both have file sharing turned on and are sharing resources. I can ping the network address of the other machine on both. On one machine 1 in the network neighbourhood folder, I get the entire network icon and the icon for itself, sometimes this one can see machine 2 and share the resources. On machine 2, I see the entire network icon but nothing else, not even itself. I have gone over all the settings numerous times and as far as I can see they are correct and I can't see why the network isn't working Any suggestions? |
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Windows 98 network not working
I think what is driving me nuts the most it the almost random way that the
problem presents itself, I have tinkered with settings most of the morning and reverted back to the settings I had this morning apart from a browse master setting for machine 1 which is enabled rather than auto. I now can see both machines from machine 1 and access all machines but from machine 2 I can see machine 1 but not access it Using the exact settings before I getting variable results!?! "Fatso" wrote: I hve a network of 2 win98 machines connected via a switch and a broadband connection out to the internet. Both machines can connect to the internet, but they can't see each other. They both have file sharing turned on and are sharing resources. I can ping the network address of the other machine on both. On one machine 1 in the network neighbourhood folder, I get the entire network icon and the icon for itself, sometimes this one can see machine 2 and share the resources. On machine 2, I see the entire network icon but nothing else, not even itself. I have gone over all the settings numerous times and as far as I can see they are correct and I can't see why the network isn't working Any suggestions? |
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I have file and printer sharing already enabled on both, I have been playing
with the browse master settings as well. At the moment I can see machine 1 from machine 2 but can't access it either through network neighbourhood or through the run command. To give a little background to the problem, I have had them working before in a peer to peer network with ICS, whcih was okay if a little unstable at times, we changed plans with our ISP and my Father had troubles when that changed over so called their helpdesk (when I wasn't around) who managed to promptly detonate the network settings {aren't ISP helpdesks helpful }. After fighting with that for a day I figured I'd install a switch to make a more stable network and do away with the peer to peer ICS problems, but so far I have been fighting with the network for about a week with no luck. Thanks for the info on WINS, also thanks to everyone trying to help, I do appreciate it. |
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