Shell32 file replacement Test results

"Bill in Co." wrote in message

But since you have made all these changes, I wonder if it works (solves
the Explorer file copy/delete hang problem) on a system which has not
had all these changes made in the first place. (That is, only

All what changes ..all I did was swap to a newer version shell32.dll &
kernel32.dll - that's the only changes that I did - absolutely no registry
changes are needed if you don't want the uninstall listed in AR to reverse
it ..if you do then use the installer which is harmlessly simple. Track
it and see for yourself.

changing shell32 on a system with IE6 SP1 which has not been otherwise
modified)

To clarify though, I changed both the shell32.dll & kernel32.dll

If I understand your whole paragraph right, the answer is yes, I would
assume anyway it worksaround the issue even if on a virgin Win9xIE6x
install. I could restore some virgin 9xIE6x partition saves to prove it
out, but I need more reason to verify that at this point and will just say
yes it will. Thinking about it in the slush of reading threads over there
yesterday I remember reading someone did test it on that scenario.

What is also interesting is that these changes were solely made to
shell32.dll, and didn't need to involve the two browse DLL files. So
one might expect that the results could possibly be different, at least
in some cases, and that maybe this shell32.dll workaround is not as
infallable (in regards to the large number of files copy/delete issue)
as the 2 DLL file swap (disregarding the alleged security issues).

I understand your point and why you would say that, but the author of the
fix says it's mostlikely not in browse dlls in the first place but that's
only what brought the anomaly forward to the surface. He also is upfront
saying it's still a 'workaround' for the problem - and not an exact solve.

He talked about it in a little here and there, one place was at this link
and his reply is in the quoted white text.
http://www.msfn.org/board/index.php?...ost&p=57213 7

Don't know....just throwing this out here...

Ask them about if you have more questions.

Rick

........ps, just talking outloud, a few years ago when I saw the W98SP2 that
was being offered by some techs originating from that forum, I naturally
had to check it out and test it, and did so on a test partition installed
and tracked it to see what it was all about. I respected it and some of
the changes were inline with updating it, and imo some of the other
modifications where not at all for me and so I never used or had/have a
need for it. This year I see there are even more of a variety of
unofficial updates there now (besides the two I've installed) that I will
mostlikely test install in the future, and I have a feeling will mostlikely
keep them as well. I like that forum; I respect the advanced users there
and much appreciate what they offer to do, and have the ability to do - and
do do it. I will frequently read that forum much more now.

"MEB" meb@not wrote in message


NOTICE:
This discussion is not a recommendation of any changes, additions, or
modifications to anyone's operating system or computer.
This is a discussion of attempts to locate and address, certain and
defined problems and/or issues which might occur after installation of
and/or due to installation of IE 6/OE, and the testing procedures used.
No claim of fitness for any particular use and/or recommendation of
these testing procedures, is extended or to be construed.

well said......



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[....]

Apparently, it is not even considered as viable now in the other Forum's

? not viable ...I think I saw that drift from someone - maybe it was the
timeline and who wrote it, but other threads were stated that it works just
fine as others attested to it - I see they are even making different
language versions of the dll today so that may say something. I think it's
worth considering at this point, and time will tell. I'm gladly
using/testing it.

We'll just keep an eye on it is all since it's new yet and not everyone
understood the problem in the first place that's for sure. Besides in
perspective W9x is not used by as many anymore so the whole issue will get
less attention.

Rick

thread [which Rick and I referenced], it has drifted off into other far
reaching aspects, much to the dismay of the moderator. Rather like
threads sometimes become here.

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Rick - what are your thoughts regarding the use of the Win-2K patch
for MS06-072 on a Win-98 system?

I notice you (and the other MVP's) have been silent about it. Is
there any particular reason for that silence?

"98 Guy" wrote in message
Rick - what are your thoughts regarding the use of the Win-2K patch
for MS06-072 on a Win-98 system?

I notice you (and the other MVP's) have been silent about it. Is
there any particular reason for that silence?

Wasn't there that song Silence Is Golden by Gene Pitney
....or am I dating my age

I guess the point is this being the official MS forum then not a likely
place for MVP's etc to talk about non-ms unofficial updates.

I see you singed up over there too
Then you know, or will know that they offer the ie925454.exe (is the ms
kb925454 ms06-072 ) which is an adaptation of the latest IE Cumulative
specifically for W98SE - interesting isn't it!

At first it may be hard to find your way around over there to get the hang
of the different forum and website pages connected to it.
However you can find the ie925454.exe on this webpage adn is the first one
on the list, under the heading of something like-
...The monster list of unofficial hotfixes for W98 SE
http://www.msfn.org/board/?showtopic=84886 ..hope it's okay to post that
and if not apologies and delete my post.

As usual before you install it just use a test bed, or if you don't have
one or then make a partition image of your C for backup - and install away
and of course Track it!
....if you don't like it, image it away or reverse it. ..easy to do.

My setups are indestructible anyway so I have no problem testing what I
feel is appropriate for me. Feeling adventurous, and being setupwise
indestructible, I just installed this latest IE Cumulative as well as the
latest OE Cumulative - they installed fine, complete registry and file
tracking results looks perfectly normal and I can't tell the difference;
I'm impressed quite frankly.

YMMV

read MEB's disclaimer

nite,

Rick

Rick Chauvin wrote:

I guess the point is this being the official MS forum then not
a likely place for MVP's etc to talk about non-ms unofficial
updates.

That may have been one way to look at this forum - back when MS was
still supporting Win-98.

But now that they have abandoned it, it would be sad to think that you
and the other MVP's would feel chained down by some concious (or
unconcious) Microsoft mindset.

Remember, this is an internet newsgroup. It's not a private
Microsoft-hosted web forum.

The explorations that myself and others are doing to determine the
stability of patching 98 with non-98 offerings from MS will grow in
importance here in this news group, and it would be unfortunate for
you and the other MVP's to feel constrained to not take an interest in
these topics.

I see you singed up over there too

Yes, because there seems to be a particular aversion by the experts
here to talk about them.

Then you know, or will know that they offer the ie925454.exe
(is the ms kb925454 ms06-072 ) which is an adaptation of the
latest IE Cumulative specifically for W98SE - interesting
isn't it!

Which, it seems to me, is essentially composed of files taken from the
win-2k patch - which is what I proposed last Wednesday.

http://www.msfn.org/board/?showtopic=84886 ..hope it's okay to
post that and if not apologies and delete my post.

Rick, you have got to be less deprecating of yourself and stop
treating this newsgroup as a shrine to Microsoft. Your post will not,
can not and should not be deleted because it is now circulating
world-wide on nntp servers everywhere.

"98 Guy" wrote in message
Rick Chauvin wrote:

I guess the point is this being the official MS forum then not
a likely place for MVP's etc to talk about non-ms unofficial
updates.

That may have been one way to look at this forum - back when MS was
still supporting Win-98.

But now that they have abandoned it, it would be sad to think that you
and the other MVP's would feel chained down by some concious (or
unconcious) Microsoft mindset.

Don't misunderstand me and my intentions of where I'm concerned here...

Remember, this is an internet newsgroup. It's not a private
Microsoft-hosted web forum.

Irregardless if the whole usernet world picks it up afterwards, I still
post and am subscribed directly to msnews.microsoft.com

The explorations that myself and others are doing to determine the
stability of patching 98 with non-98 offerings from MS will grow in

I understand and that's great, but I would think it's better served at the
other forum rather than on this particular forum.

importance here in this news group, and it would be unfortunate for
you and the other MVP's to feel constrained to not take an interest in
these topics.

Me not take an interest? ..where have you been for all these years.

I see you singed up over there too

Yes, because there seems to be a particular aversion by the experts
here to talk about them.

Again it makes good sense and the whole process is better served to address
it all on the other forums, and not this particular one. I don't understand
why you do see the reasons why that is..

Then you know, or will know that they offer the ie925454.exe
(is the ms kb925454 ms06-072 ) which is an adaptation of the
latest IE Cumulative specifically for W98SE - interesting
isn't it!

Which, it seems to me, is essentially composed of files taken from the
win-2k patch - which is what I proposed last Wednesday.

Yes of course, and they modify it; that's all talked about there isn't it.

I may have missed if you posted about it here - what post is that? I've
been extremely busy to read every thread when I get home from work, but
again I wouldn't take what's there and talk about details openly here - it
makes good sense not to. If you were planning to have an affair - would
you come home and ask your wife about how to do it? Same analogy here.

http://www.msfn.org/board/?showtopic=84886 ..hope it's okay to
post that and if not apologies and delete my post.

Rick, you have got to be less deprecating of yourself and stop
treating this newsgroup as a shrine to Microsoft. Your post will not,
can not and should not be deleted because it is now circulating
world-wide on nntp servers everywhere.

Huh, shrine... notta, you misunderstand my tone.
You see to me it's a matter of unspoken respect or honor if you will, on a
number of levels - with nothing and no one excluded, irregardless of all
the emotional expressions that some feel against ms corporate. I have no
feelings for or against; I've come from the corporate world and understand
it - I'm also a regular guy, who understands both sides of the worldly
coin. I prefer and am more effective to work in-between the scenes.

Trust me when I say that in no way do I feel I've deprecating myself in any
way shape or form, actually I am appreciating myself in honor of the values
I feel - and I wish you knew the difference of where I was coming from when
I say the things I do.

I would of preferred your post thanking me for the information I gave and
work I've done in the past Don't judge a book by it cover, look within.

...it's past my bedtime, and now I've got my wife mad at me for not watching
the Christmas movie on TV with here rather than watching my computer -
what's a guy to do.

nite,
Rick

"Rick Chauvin" wrote in message
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|
|
| "MEB" meb@not wrote in message
|
|
| [....]
|
| Apparently, it is not even considered as viable now in the other
Forum's
|
| ? not viable ...I think I saw that drift from someone - maybe it was the
| timeline and who wrote it, but other threads were stated that it works
just
| fine as others attested to it - I see they are even making different
| language versions of the dll today so that may say something. I think
it's
| worth considering at this point, and time will tell. I'm gladly
| using/testing it.

That there was difficulty reported? Perhaps I missed that.
I meant the discussion had moved on to other things such as mention of the
48bit HD, the second 2gig test file, and other?

|
| We'll just keep an eye on it is all since it's new yet and not everyone
| understood the problem in the first place that's for sure. Besides in
| perspective W9x is not used by as many anymore so the whole issue will get
| less attention.
|
| Rick

I agree, this would only be relevent to people still using Win 98, SE for
the most part.

|
| thread [which Rick and I referenced], it has drifted off into other far
| reaching aspects, much to the dismay of the moderator. Rather like
| threads sometimes become here.
|
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Morpheus can offer you the two pills;
but only you can choose whether you take the red pill or the blue one.
_______________

Rick Chauvin wrote:

Don't misunderstand me and my intentions of where I'm concerned
here...

I don't want to misunderstand you - but to help me out you (and the
other MVP's) should explain why you don't want to tread into new
territory here regarding unofficial Win-98 patching.

Irregardless if the whole usernet world picks it up afterwards,
I still post and am subscribed directly to msnews.microsoft.com

I guess I don't understand why that should constrain you.

The explorations that myself and others are doing to determine
the stability of patching 98 with non-98 offerings from MS will
grow in

I understand and that's great, but I would think it's better served
at the other forum rather than on this particular forum.

And that's where we disagree. I can't see any logical or
philosophical reason why this isin't THE most appropriate news group
to discuss the past, present, and future of Windows-98, and that would
include the use of any and all resources and discoveries to make it
better and secure it going forward.

Web forums serve a purpose but they are (to me) inferior and clumsy
substitutes for usenet newsgroups - which were designed for just this
sort of exchange of ideas and information. Usenet is more searchable
and is a better archive for this information than web forums.

Me not take an interest? ..where have you been for all these
years.

Perhaps when I said "take an interest" I meant simply "participate".

Yes, because there seems to be a particular aversion by the
experts here to talk about them.

Again it makes good sense and the whole process is better served
to address it all on the other forums, and not this particular
one. I don't understand why you do see the reasons why that is..

I don't. All of a sudden we are going to partition these win-98
discussions? I just don't understand the basis or logic of that, and
I certainly don't think it makes a lick of sense to say that those
topics are somehow better served on a web forum.

I may have missed if you posted about it here - what post is that?

On December 12, Roger Fink posted a message with the subject "Windows
98 and Security Patches".

On December 13, I posted a reply where I changed the subject to
"Microsoft continues to support Windows 98 (was: Windows 98 and
Security Patches)". If you use a news reader that can show a tree
view of a thread then it would show where my post is positioned in the
original thread even though I changed the subject line.

but again I wouldn't take what's there and talk about details
openly here - it makes good sense not to.

Again I'm agast at that mindset. You make it sound like we're talking
about nuclear reactor design.

I'm afraid I simply can't understand your fear to "talk openly here".
Where is "here" ?

Do you work for Microsoft? Is that the root cause of your reluctance
to participate in these subjects? You realize you could always do so
from home - using an anonymous nntp server like I'm doing.

If you were planning to have an affair - would you come home
and ask your wife about how to do it? Same analogy here.

So you do work for MS - and you fear reprisals if you participated in
discussions like these. I feel sorry for you that you have to work
and live under that sort of self-imposed censorship.

So I suppose that as I and others move forward and explore and
discover how to tinker with Win-98 and the various patches being
provided by MS for other platforms that we can expect no help, wisdom,
advice or participation from you or the other MVP's. That will not
stop me from posting my observations and discoveries here for the
unknown number of others that will put that information to use.

Sorry Rick to interfere in a segment of this discussion directed towards
you, but this individual has an apparent complete lack of understanding of
various aspects of this world, and responsibilities under such.

I suggest he access the linked site in my signature, a Law library [many of
which he will find linked on the site], Microsoft's legal pages and EULA,
and the DOJ web site.

I ask him politely, to refrain from harassing parties who do understand
the ramifications; many having dealt with this activity for close to 20
years or more, via: court activities, business, commercial contract,
licensing, BBS, web sites, and perhaps ISP activities, though not strictly
limited thereto.

I also direct him to seek other forums which are not so knowledgeable,
and/or not so concerned with the potential ramifications; wherein he may
find support for his position, and/or information which he may seek.

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Most jump up, brush themselves off, and hurry on about their business as if
nothing had happen." Winston Churchill
Or to put it another way:
Morpheus can offer you the two pills;
but only you can choose whether you take the red pill or the blue one.
_______________